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Re: Encouragement for the emotionally and mentally ill threa

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sun 25 Apr 2010, 05:11:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('IslandCrow', 'I') am living and caring for someone with a neuro-degenerative disease. No known medication available...eventual death, but path to that point totally unsure.

As this goes on I find myself more dominated by the condition, and less able to focus on other things like planning for PO.


In the time I've been a member of this forum, I've had some family members struggle with very serious medical conditions that required me to give 100% of my attention to them.

I can relate to what you're going through, I'd say being a caregiver is the toughest job there is. But it's also the kindest thing you can ever do for a person, to be there when they need someone the most. Interestingly, during these periods I forgot all about peak oil and global doom.

I sure hope global peak oil mad max style doom never happens. While I'm not dependent on medication, some of my family is -- they cannot go without the meds.

If and when things get imminently doomy, I'll have to encourage my med-dependent family to stock up on the necessary meds. I could order them over the internet if it came down to it. I don't know how else to stock up, since no doctor would prescribe a year long med supply.

And for doomers who are prepping, this isn't talked about much but really you'd be smart to think about a stock of general use medication.
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Re: Encouragement for the emotionally and mentally ill threa

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Sun 25 Apr 2010, 08:51:29

At various times in my youth I was diagnosed sociopathic (15 y.o. rebel), schizophrenic (too many weird plant substances after taking Carlos Castenada a bit too seriously), petit mal epileptic (massive datura overdose), paranoid psychotic (mushrooms & too much weed), then finally came down with a deadly serious depression (too much reality combined with doctor drugs).
My personal recomendation is not to take anything you can't grow or find in the wild.
about 90% of modern medicines are either plant derived or synthesized copies of plant chemicals. Of course the asprin company don't tell you willow bark tea is the same thing etc.
I went through some extremely bad reactions to psyche medications, far worse than those states described before depression set in. I once went over 90 days with no sleep at all, this on nothing other than doctor drugs. I was holding a vigil on myself, preventing myself from sleeping for fear I would kill myself if I relaxed.
Cleaning up the body is possible even when the spirit and mind are seemingly lost.
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Re: Encouragement for the emotionally and mentally ill threa

Unread postby Ludi » Sun 25 Apr 2010, 08:56:30

Thank you, SeaGypsy. Things are up and down, mostly ok. I'm fortunate to not have a "normal" life.
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Unread postby Ludi » Sun 25 Apr 2010, 08:59:24

Thank you, threadbear.
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Re: Encouragement for the emotionally and mentally ill threa

Unread postby Kristen » Thu 29 Apr 2010, 13:31:54

I've been diagnosed with manic depression, social anxiety, and panic disorder, but I don't think in my 15 years of medication (on and off) any of those things have been cured, just brushed into my subconcious to gather mold and make me more unhealthy in the future. I can't recall the exact brain developments, from age ten until twenty-five, but Shire and Phizer can only imagine what sort of brain chemistry I have now. the only thing I can say for sure is I haven't grown a tail

I'm a sad person, yes, but is empathy that is to blame for that. There are those who can transfer or displace those negative feeling onto others, but that would be much too cowardly of me. I've always been hypersensative to how I treat others, for to hurt another would mean a much more immense amount of guilt to process later. Also i think my brain is wired in a way that a type of water faucet always set to poor at the highest level exists.

I had a creative upbringing. I was only two when my Mother divorced my father and she soon met a woman. She stayed with that woman until I was about nine and became a party animal, bringing home different father figures of sorts until she got pregnant from one of the encounters. She soon after met my current Stepdad who does not know of her lesbian ordeal. I don't blame my parents for my sadness, I blame the humiliation displaced onto me who only thought of the unnaturalness of two mothers, and not the love and support that existed.

Medication withdrawal can be much more horrible then the diagnosis, Antidepressant being the longest lasting an most unpleasant (Even though they say it is isn't addicting). Imagine being given a little electric shock in your brain every ten minutes combined with a sort of pulse noise/sound for a month. Benzodiazephenes (Xanax, Valium, Klonopin), if taken regularly for two weeks, withdrawal effects happen even with the damn pills because of tolerance. Quitting them cold turkey means you have about three days worth of "a deer in headlights" kind of feeling before you brain chemistry reharmonizes itself. Also don't expect good sleep for about a week.

For me, there is a hole, or void to fill, but trust me! No copious amount of drugs, sex or love will ever do it, only reading peakoil,com can save you.
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Re: Encouragement for the emotionally and mentally ill threa

Unread postby davep » Thu 29 Apr 2010, 17:40:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kristen', 'I')'ve been diagnosed with manic depression, social anxiety, and panic disorder, but I don't think in my 15 years of medication (on and off) any of those things have been cured, just brushed into my subconcious to gather mold and make me more unhealthy in the future. I can't recall the exact brain developments, from age ten until twenty-five, but Shire and Phizer can only imagine what sort of brain chemistry I have now. the only thing I can say for sure is I haven't grown a tail

I'm a sad person, yes, but is empathy that is to blame for that. There are those who can transfer or displace those negative feeling onto others, but that would be much too cowardly of me. I've always been hypersensative to how I treat others, for to hurt another would mean a much more immense amount of guilt to process later. Also i think my brain is wired in a way that a type of water faucet always set to poor at the highest level exists.

I had a creative upbringing. I was only two when my Mother divorced my father and she soon met a woman. She stayed with that woman until I was about nine and became a party animal, bringing home different father figures of sorts until she got pregnant from one of the encounters. She soon after met my current Stepdad who does not know of her lesbian ordeal. I don't blame my parents for my sadness, I blame the humiliation displaced onto me who only thought of the unnaturalness of two mothers, and not the love and support that existed.

Medication withdrawal can be much more horrible then the diagnosis, Antidepressant being the longest lasting an most unpleasant (Even though they say it is isn't addicting). Imagine being given a little electric shock in your brain every ten minutes combined with a sort of pulse noise/sound for a month. Benzodiazephenes (Xanax, Valium, Klonopin), if taken regularly for two weeks, withdrawal effects happen even with the damn pills because of tolerance. Quitting them cold turkey means you have about three days worth of "a deer in headlights" kind of feeling before you brain chemistry reharmonizes itself. Also don't expect good sleep for about a week.

For me, there is a hole, or void to fill, but trust me! No copious amount of drugs, sex or love will ever do it, only reading peakoil,com can save you.


I don't know if you've tried it, but Cognitive Behavioural Therapy is excellent for your kind of problems.
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Re: Encouragement for the emotionally and mentally ill threa

Unread postby Ludi » Thu 29 Apr 2010, 20:40:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '
')I don't know if you've tried it, but Cognitive Behavioural Therapy is excellent for your kind of problems.



I agree.
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Unread postby PrestonSturges » Thu 29 Apr 2010, 21:57:09

The main social stress for people that are mentally ill is that they can't stand to be alone and they have a hard time being around other people.

Anyone trying to get through life needs to moderate their behavior around other people and not be manipulative, aggressive, dishonest, or engage in repetitive annoying behavior.

When someone is really sick, they act as if they are in some sort of divine state of grace and can generate an endless string of excuses for stepping all over other people.
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Re: Encouragement for the emotionally and mentally ill threa

Unread postby Ludi » Thu 29 Apr 2010, 22:03:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', ' ')

When someone is really sick, they act as if they are in some sort of divine state of grace and can generate an endless string of excuses for stepping all over other people.


In what way is your post "encouraging"?


Who is "someone"? Someone you personally know?

Ever been really sick yourself?
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Unread postby PrestonSturges » Thu 29 Apr 2010, 22:37:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', ' ')

When someone is really sick, they act as if they are in some sort of divine state of grace and can generate an endless string of excuses for stepping all over other people.


In what way is your post "encouraging"?
Who is "someone"? Someone you personally know?
Ever been really sick yourself?


I know a lot of people in AA, friends with various problems, and was married to someone that went into a long downward spiral. And a former roommate killed himself this year. I've know plenty of people with various problems, and i've helped quite a few of them, told others to get to the hospital, and told some to get the hell away from before they get hurt. I know a lot of people with depression, and bipolar, and the usual self-sabotaging masochism.

And a lot of them came from home where one or both parents demanded that they underperform or act out so that a neurotic parent would not be jealous. And so they are stuck on a treadmill of shame guilt anger fear and acting out because that is what was required to get a crappy imitation of a parent's love,

And yes, every single person that ends up rehab drags in a huge ball and chain of entitlement, grandiosity, and self centeredness. And of course they have to go to group therapy to break through the defense that nobody who doesn't have exactly the same problem can understand them, which is one of the defenses that drives people into the hospital or rehab. Then when they quit rolling that boulder up the hill that they are unique and enigmatic and nobody can understand them (for drunks thats "alcoholic pride"), they are more prepared to interact with other people as equals, and not treat others with secret contempt.
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Re: Encouragement for the emotionally and mentally ill threa

Unread postby Sixstrings » Thu 29 Apr 2010, 22:55:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kristen', 'I')'ve been diagnosed with manic depression, social anxiety, and panic disorder, but I don't think in my 15 years of medication (on and off) any of those things have been cured,


Something our society isn't really coming to grips with is the fact that since the introduction of SRI drugs (prozac, etc.), bipolar diagnoses has DOUBLED. I'm not saying nobody would have bipolar otherwise, as my grandmother and father both had it.

But it's been interesting though, over the years, seeing something that used to be rare become so very common now.

There is research that suggests the newer antidepressants can cause a "kindling" effect in the brain, actually worsening a person's longterm disease course even though the drugs may help in the short term (though some question if the SSRI's even help at all, new research shows they're no better than placebo).

Another link to bipolar is all the ADHD meds. We have a situation where so many kids are on these stimulants, and in some cases the drugs actually cause bipolar. It used to be utterly unheard of for a child to be diagnosed bipolar -- now it's not uncommon. Once a child gets the bipolar diagnosis, then it's on to a cocktail of harder drugs. Obviously, this is all devastating to a young person's cognitive development, and scars them for life to have to be on a heavy duty cocktail in their prime years.

As for benzodiazepines, I know what you're talking about Kristen when you mention the issue of tolerance. I can't take them regularly, I just end up needing more and more to get the same effect. What I do now days is just always have some good old fashioned Valium on hand. I've found its much better for me just to know that I have it and could take if I had to. It's probably been two years since I've had to take one, but just knowing I have it provides peace of mind.

Another good thing about the benzos is that, while addictive and tolerance-building if you take them regularly, they are otherwise very safe (disclaimer here, nobody take any of this as med advice you need to talk to a physician). The older benzos have also been thoroughly studied for many decades, and so you won't have a nasty surprise form them twenty years down the road.

By the way, here's an excellent that came out just yesterday I think:

'Anatomy Of An Epidemic': Could Psychiatric Drugs Be Fuelling A Mental Illness Epidemic?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-whitaker/anatomy-of-an-epidemic-co_b_555572.html
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Re: Encouragement for the emotionally and mentally ill threa

Unread postby Ayame » Fri 30 Apr 2010, 03:19:19

I have a mental illness of some sort but the pdocs I've seen have had a hard time putting their finger on it. It's not pyschosis or schizophrenia (even though my two aunts have schizophrenia). I've been diagnosed with personality disorder (because the usual drugs didn't work on me) but what this means is beyond me, something like my personailty is wrong for western society. I went to hospital last year and it's not a place I'd want to go back to. There was no therapy, just a place to put you so you can be watched and controlled. No healing there unless you count drug regimens (which obviously didn't work for me). Currently doing better trying to 'live for the moment' and stop worrying about the future.
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Re: Encouragement for the emotionally and mentally ill threa

Unread postby Ayame » Fri 30 Apr 2010, 03:28:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', ' ')But it's been interesting though, over the years, seeing something that used to be rare become so very common now.


As I understand it mental illness is triggered by a combination of genetic predisposition and environment. There is currently an argument that our society has become more 'toxic' and conducive to triggering mental illness in individuals.
http://www.shropsych.org/toxicmentalenvironments.pdf
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Re: Encouragement for the emotionally and mentally ill threa

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Fri 30 Apr 2010, 11:18:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayame', 'I') have a mental illness of some sort but the pdocs I've seen have had a hard time putting their finger on it. It's not pyschosis or schizophrenia (even though my two aunts have schizophrenia). I've been diagnosed with personality disorder (because the usual drugs didn't work on me) but what this means is beyond me, something like my personailty is wrong for western society. I went to hospital last year and it's not a place I'd want to go back to. There was no therapy, just a place to put you so you can be watched and controlled. No healing there unless you count drug regimens (which obviously didn't work for me). Currently doing better trying to 'live for the moment' and stop worrying about the future.


Psychoanalysts don't give a quick diagnosis, because even if someone's problem is obvious, if they tell the patient straight out, the patient is likely to run away. So not telling the patient anything for looong time is one of their ground rules.
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Re: Encouragement for the emotionally and mentally ill threa

Unread postby Narz » Fri 30 Apr 2010, 12:43:11

I'm disgusted sometimes by my own inertia. But it's hard (for me) to be motivated in this society. I don't have anyone in my day to day real life I'd consider inspiring. Well except my daughter but I'm the one supposed to be leading her.
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Re: Encouragement for the emotionally and mentally ill threa

Unread postby Kristen » Sat 01 May 2010, 17:45:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kristen', 'I')'ve been diagnosed with manic depression, social anxiety, and panic disorder, but I don't think in my 15 years of medication (on and off) any of those things have been cured, just brushed into my subconcious to gather mold and make me more unhealthy in the future. I can't recall the exact brain developments, from age ten until twenty-five, but Shire and Phizer can only imagine what sort of brain chemistry I have now. the only thing I can say for sure is I haven't grown a tail

I'm a sad person, yes, but is empathy that is to blame for that. There are those who can transfer or displace those negative feeling onto others, but that would be much too cowardly of me. I've always been hypersensative to how I treat others, for to hurt another would mean a much more immense amount of guilt to process later. Also i think my brain is wired in a way that a type of water faucet always set to poor at the highest level exists.

I had a creative upbringing. I was only two when my Mother divorced my father and she soon met a woman. She stayed with that woman until I was about nine and became a party animal, bringing home different father figures of sorts until she got pregnant from one of the encounters. She soon after met my current Stepdad who does not know of her lesbian ordeal. I don't blame my parents for my sadness, I blame the humiliation displaced onto me who only thought of the unnaturalness of two mothers, and not the love and support that existed.

Medication withdrawal can be much more horrible then the diagnosis, Antidepressant being the longest lasting an most unpleasant (Even though they say it is isn't addicting). Imagine being given a little electric shock in your brain every ten minutes combined with a sort of pulse noise/sound for a month. Benzodiazephenes (Xanax, Valium, Klonopin), if taken regularly for two weeks, withdrawal effects happen even with the damn pills because of tolerance. Quitting them cold turkey means you have about three days worth of "a deer in headlights" kind of feeling before you brain chemistry reharmonizes itself. Also don't expect good sleep for about a week.

For me, there is a hole, or void to fill, but trust me! No copious amount of drugs, sex or love will ever do it, only reading peakoil,com can save you.


I don't know if you've tried it, but Cognitive Behavioural Therapy is excellent for your kind of problems.


If I can ever trust a therapist, I'll look into that. The thing is, I've been in therapy. It sort of feels like paying someone to be nice to you.

I did learn self-hypnosis 5 years ago, from a psychotherapist.
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Re: Encouragement for the emotionally and mentally ill threa

Unread postby Kristen » Sat 01 May 2010, 17:55:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayame', 'I') have a mental illness of some sort but the pdocs I've seen have had a hard time putting their finger on it. It's not pyschosis or schizophrenia (even though my two aunts have schizophrenia). I've been diagnosed with personality disorder (because the usual drugs didn't work on me) but what this means is beyond me, something like my personailty is wrong for western society. I went to hospital last year and it's not a place I'd want to go back to. There was no therapy, just a place to put you so you can be watched and controlled. No healing there unless you count drug regimens (which obviously didn't work for me). Currently doing better trying to 'live for the moment' and stop worrying about the future.


I would try 5-htp. It's worked for me, and it doesn't give you a drugged feeling, just a natural sense of well-being. The problem (In Western Society) with the the way people view themselves is it often is based on fictional characters, i.e.e television, movies, books, archetypal symbols. Sometimes it feels like you're an actor playing the role of your name, but that person really doesn't exist in your mind.
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Re: Encouragement for the emotionally and mentally ill threa

Unread postby Ludi » Sat 01 May 2010, 19:56:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kristen', '
')If I can ever trust a therapist, I'll look into that. The thing is, I've been in therapy. It sort of feels like paying someone to be nice to you.

I did learn self-hypnosis 5 years ago, from a psychotherapist.



I advocate learning it from a book, with a trusted friend or family member. I don't think a therapist is necessary or desirable, personally.
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Unread postby SeaGypsy » Sat 01 May 2010, 20:24:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayame', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', ' ')But it's been interesting though, over the years, seeing something that used to be rare become so very common now.


As I understand it mental illness is triggered by a combination of genetic predisposition and environment. There is currently an argument that our society has become more 'toxic' and conducive to triggering mental illness in individuals.
http://www.shropsych.org/toxicmentalenvironments.pdf



Nothing new about that; check out the work of psychiatrists Laing and Esterton.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._D._Laing
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Unread postby Ludi » Sat 01 May 2010, 20:36:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kristen', 'I')'ve been diagnosed with manic depression, social anxiety, and panic disorder, but I don't think in my 15 years of medication (on and off) any of those things have been cured,


There's no claim made that medication can cure mental illness. If you read the literature about the medications, none of them make a claim to cure any mental illness. In fact, how these medications work is not even known. They seem to work somewhat better than placebo for a percentage of the population, and that is all they need to do in order to be prescribed (and not have too many deadly side-effects). So hoping or wanting to be cured by these medications is hoping and wanting something which is not being claimed by the manufacturers of the medications. If you were ever promised a cure from these medications by your physician who prescribed them, you were lied to. :(
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