[DesertBear2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', ' ')If we are interested to bringing sustainability to the masses then there will need to be a more active dialog and alliance between the secular and religeous sustainability movements.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cornholio', 'F')or a less depressing take on PeakOil...

PS-thanks to EnergySpin for pointing out this site.

[fluffy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'M')y only hope is that the U.S. health care system is such a holy mess that it will collapse out of sheer complexity.

[cornholio]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cornholio', 'F')or a less depressing take on PeakOil...

[EnergySpin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'M')y only hope is that the U.S. health care system is such a holy mess that it will collapse out of sheer complexity.

[Ayoob]

The only thing that has to happen for the doomers to be wrong is for everybody in the whole world to just get along and unselfishly give up the tiny bit of luxury they have left to people halfway around the world.

The good news is that history is rife with examples of this unselfish and benevolent behavior.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cornholio', 'F')or a less depressing take on PeakOil... (and he can sing, too : ) http://peakoildebunked.blogspot.com/200 ... tific.html

[cornholio]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cornholio', 'F')or a less depressing take on PeakOil...

PS-thanks to EnergySpin for pointing out this site.

[FatherOfTwo]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DefiledEngine', '
')Simplify much? As both doomers and cornucopians point out, world systems are complex, and it's difficult to pinpoint exact critical scenarios, much less what they would lead to.

[EnergySpin]

One category of doomers I might have forgotten to mention is the "re-born doomer", the one who would have been crying for the rupture if he had discovered god before Campbell

[DefiledEngine]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Proof of what? Proof that there aren't other energy sources? please. Proof that it won't take time to transition our infrastructure?
What exactly do you have an issue with in that statement?

[lakeweb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cornholio', '
')Actually, Ludi I wanted to share the link http://peakoildebunked.blogspot.com/200 ... tific.html as the blog is a counterbalance to the gloomerism that pervades here...

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cornholio', 'A')s the singing John Denver (of rocky mountain high fame) did die in a plane crash in 1997 the name is either a coincidence or a tribute to the singer. (I'm guessing coincidence)

[cornholio]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cornholio', 'A')s the singing John Denver (of rocky mountain high fame) did die in a plane crash in 1997 the name is either a coincidence or a tribute to the singer. (I'm guessing coincidence)

[nero]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut the topic of this thread is "the problem with doomers" which is so much more fun... Also, everybody here accepts that oil will peak (though the when is debatable), or possibly has. What sets doomers apart is the scenario involving starvation, die-off, the crumbling of trade and transit, the need for an effective perimeter defense and the benefit of owning a mule. That is the vision people learning about the peaking of oil production encounter on this and other sites (as though that vision was an inevitable conclusion or the only way of thinking about the topic).

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nero', '
')My personal definitions:
A doomer is someone who believes that at some point there won't be any bread at their local supermarket.
A soft lander is someone who believes that at some point they will not be able to afford the bread at their local supermarket.

[lakeweb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nero', 'M')y personal definitions:
A doomer is someone who believes that at some point there won't be any bread at their local supermarket.
A soft lander is someone who believes that at some point they will not be able to afford the bread at their local supermarket.

[EnergySpin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lakeweb', '
')Maybe I haven't read enough here. But from what I've seen this 'doomer' is a minority of the members. The URL that cornholio offered is just as bizarre.

So how did the concept of 'doomer' become so popular? A few folks run around screaming, 'End of the world!'? So what?

I think it is a waste of time.

Best, Dan.

[lakeweb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergySpin', '
')You have not been here long enough.
I do have to point out, that JD was posting here for a long time. He went on to establish his blogspot when he got fed up when members of the BNP, Foreman-like enviros and Malthusian -freaks showing up asking for the tards to be nuked, maimed, killed . He also got fed up with the hymns to Prophet Jevons as the reason for not conserving.

[EnergySpin]

Thank you but I have read the Hirsch report ....
For the reasons I mentioned earlier ... I do not think the Hirsch report is relevant because we have to phase the hydrocarbons out ASAP and this will essentially cause "peak oil" in the sense that hydrocarbon use will decline. The only sensible way to respond to that economic crisis (which is necessary) is through macro-economical measures ala New Deal .
To sum it up for you .... we have to walk away of hydrocarbons no matter what.


The cranks that you mention is a big problem .... did you read the infamous ASPO newsletter when Dr Stanton wrote his "masterpiece"? I Have to remind you (or alert you) that there was a pretty big group of people around here who approved these "measures" and thought highly of his "realism". These are the extreme social views I was referring to.

May I ask you the following question:
Where do you stand on GW/CC?