[Stonemason]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'W')e're not post-peak while we're on the plateau.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Stonemason', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'W')e're not post-peak while we're on the plateau.

[hardtootell-2]

Wow! something amazing happened today! My Brother in Law (who knows I am doomer and knows that's why some of the family HATE me) called me out of the blue. He wants to look for a farm in the same area as my land. If he moves there, the current will be a lot stronger for the rest of the family!

Its all hush hush. I just sent him an email which shared a positive vision on rural relocation and development. Very cool!

One of the things that can win people over in the long run is to maintain a really positive attitude and be quietly committed to your goals

[Caffeine]

Yeah. A lot of the time people don't immediately get hugely into self-sufficiency, but develop an interest in small increments. Slightly silly example: I like introducing people to the newer dynamo-powered stuff you can get with long-lasting rechargeable batteries. A lot of people have just never heard of this stuff and have to buy new batteries all the time. I like having a flashlight I can use in power outages without being concerned about wearing out a short-lived battery.

Also, people are more receptive to the idea of being prepared for smaller and more common "not business as usual" situations than serious doom situations. They're more willing to prepare for a 3-day power outage, or for being unemployed for a couple of months, than for an asteroid strike.

Hardtootell, congrats on the doomstead inquiry.

[SeaGypsy]

Probably the single most important practical thing to do is get out of the city.
It is extremely hard to think for oneself in the city.
Becoming anything like self sufficient is virtually impossible in a city.
Avoiding brainwashing in the city/ How?

Yes country areas can be narrow minded and or bigoted, but there is almost always an element of independence and can do spirit in country people. There is also paradoxicly a far stronger sense of community and interdependence; knowing that little if anything is ever achieved by lone individuals.

Compare this to cities where people can get on the same train in the same seat everyday sitting opposite the same person who gets on and off at the same station; for years/ without ever saying hullo.
Move to a country village and everyone knows there is a newcomer within a day or 2.

This can be very confronting for urbanites; but start asap because the opportunity to do this is still there now, by the time most people realize the necessity it will be too late.

[Pretorian]

u know there was a nice guy here, his name was Mr.Bill. So his teacher once said that in any society, and he knew what he was talking about, there is always room for the top 10%. So instead of eating a shotgun you could team up with some decent people, get some training and map some nice houses in the area in case of tshtf.. you know , protection services if they got something.. or none if they got too much...

[Keith_McClary]

Consider that we can get by with a tiny fraction of what we consume.

For example, a guy I knew drove a pickup truck hundreds of milez every weekend to be with his GirlFriend.

By contrast, I could almost survive on what I can grow in my garden.

[SeaGypsy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'u') know there was a nice guy here, his name was Mr.Bill. So his teacher once said that in any society, and he knew what he was talking about, there is always room for the top 10%. So instead of eating a shotgun you could team up with some decent people, get some training and map some nice houses in the area in case of tshtf.. you know , protection services if they got something.. or none if they got too much...

[AgentR]

Everyone always wants whatever is happening to happen fast enough to notice; yet most of the things that happen in the world happen very, very slowly.

You can't sell a book claiming that bread will be $3 a loaf in 2009, $4 a loaf in 2010, $5 a loaf in 2012, $6 a load in 2014, $7 a loaf in 2015, etc.. Its not dramatic, its barely noticeable, even if its consequences are catastrophic to billions of people. What happens with oil, when the drops are mitigated over and over by demand destruction, can the US function with 10% unemployment... how bout 15%, how bout 20%, surprisingly, I betcha it can. It won't be near as fun and easy, but yeah, government offices will still open daily, taxes will still be collected, and people will still put around in powered vehicles.

How do you sell a movie, where its centerpiece disaster consists of Bob and his family having macaroni and Tilapia for dinner instead of steak and baked potatoes. Bob still drives to work, its just a smaller, gimpier car. Bob still wears a suit, but its cheap, cheap instead of fine wool. Bob's wife still buys clothes, they just happen to be missing all those nice designer labels and have stitching that looks mildly suspect.

Peak oil and its partners in crime create a glacially paced destruction of everything that made western affluence available to average laborers.

There will be no "great reset."

[hardtootell-2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', 'E')veryone always wants whatever is happening to happen fast enough to notice; yet most of the things that happen in the world happen very, very slowly.
nice designer labels and have stitching that looks mildly suspect.

Peak oil and its partners in crime create a glacially paced destruction of everything that made western affluence available to average laborers.

There will be no "great reset."

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'u') know there was a nice guy here, his name was Mr.Bill. So his teacher once said that in any society, and he knew what he was talking about, there is always room for the top 10%. So instead of eating a shotgun you could team up with some decent people, get some training and map some nice houses in the area in case of tshtf.. you know , protection services if they got something.. or none if they got too much...

[Caffeine]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'A')s for Orlov, he is not Russian and made a number of such blunders in his articles

[SeaGypsy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Caffeine', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'A')s for Orlov, he is not Russian and made a number of such blunders in his articles

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Caffeine', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'A')s for Orlov, he is not Russian and made a number of such blunders in his articles

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Caffeine', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'A')s for Orlov, he is not Russian and made a number of such blunders in his articles

[SeaGypsy]

Getting a tad off topic now.
Being Jewish does not count as a nationality; unless one is an Israeli or a Zionist Diaspora.
I have never read anything Orlov said of any Zionist (or religious at all) bearing whatsoever.
Being (perhaps) born Jewish or part Jewish, does not make one a raving Zionist.
Like I said, better check the methanol content.

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'G')etting a tad off topic now.
Being Jewish does not count as a nationality;

[SeaGypsy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'G')etting a tad off topic now.
Being Jewish does not count as a nationality;

[NickyBoy]

Your nationality can be used to define your ethnic group, your country of citizenship and your country of birth (these are direct definitions of what the word means...look it up)

If this gentleman is of jewish decent, born in Russia and now a citizen of America he can claim Jewish, Russian and American nationality and can flip between any of the three as he wishes without being incorrect.

It doesn't matter what your opinion on the matter is Pretorian, being born and raised in Leningrad does make you Russian. You can argue all you like, reality says otherwise.

[SeaGypsy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NickyBoy', 'Y')our nationality can be used to define your ethnic group, your country of citizenship and your country of birth (these are direct definitions of what the word means...look it up)

If this gentleman is of jewish decent, born in Russia and now a citizen of America he can claim Jewish, Russian and American nationality and can flip between any of the three as he wishes without being incorrect.

It doesn't matter what your opinion on the matter is Pretorian, being born and raised in Leningrad does make you Russian. You can argue all you like, reality says otherwise.