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')Just imagine what we (humanity in its whole) is capable of if we all work together as brothers. Imagine the things we can do if we choose to do the "right" thing. We're incredible powerful and we don't know yet how to use this power wisely. We have to learn this. But remember; Doing the right thing is not always painless.
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Does humanity serve any purpose after peak oil
Re: Does humanity serve any purpose after peak oil
by mos6507 » Mon 19 May 2008, 14:19:51
If we were immortal, I think we would learn through trial and error what works, and employ it. The problem is that as the generations roll by, every new human being has to start over again from scratch. And we start out as little more than animals. Think of this as a secular notion of original sin. To some extent culture can be preserved and evolve, but the biological component has to keep being recycled. We all have to reach an important milestone in our maturity level in order for us to "get it" so to speak. It's all too easy to stop at an earlier level and tear down the terrace of progress for one reason or another. So ultimately we're limited by our mortality.
As they say, those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. The confidence of history fades away into hearsay and myth. Before you know it, the world has popped out a new Hitler or Gengis Khan.
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Re: Does humanity serve any purpose after peak oil
by aldente » Wed 21 May 2008, 18:55:36
Mos has a very good point which supports my theory. Going back to Kakerlak, one has to understand in the first place, that I as an established PeakOiler do not look for solutions to the short term scenarios but rather the long term (2012) outcome of the whole scheme of things.
The most likely scenario as of which Peak Oil acts as trigger is the ultimate and final kind of World War which brings back the scenarios of Carl Sagan and others. So it seems...
The other option, not to say that the nasty scenario is to be prevented is that there is an unexpected quantum leap in consciousness and for all we know all work that has been performed so far is being absorbed by an alternate intelligence, shall we say a merger or buy out on a cosmic level (in other words, Terrence McKenna might have been right on with his theory, that the Internet in itself might be a neurostructural brain form that has the capacity of becoming a world brain in itself).
The most likely scenario as of which Peak Oil acts as trigger is the ultimate and final kind of World War which brings back the scenarios of Carl Sagan and others. So it seems...
The other option, not to say that the nasty scenario is to be prevented is that there is an unexpected quantum leap in consciousness and for all we know all work that has been performed so far is being absorbed by an alternate intelligence, shall we say a merger or buy out on a cosmic level (in other words, Terrence McKenna might have been right on with his theory, that the Internet in itself might be a neurostructural brain form that has the capacity of becoming a world brain in itself).
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Re: Does humanity serve any purpose after peak oil
by kakkerlak » Thu 22 May 2008, 08:36:15
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('albente', '.')..I as an established PeakOiler do not look for solutions to the short term scenarios but rather the long term (2012) outcome of the whole scheme of things.
Same here, except for the 2012 part.
At the end there are only two possible outcomes in the whole scheme of things. And we can turn, bend, twist and manipulate as much as we like, but at the end one of those two options will be reality.
1) Working together and make this world a better place for everyone.
2) We destroy each other and make this world a living hell.
How option two becomes reality is irrelevant. How option one becomes reality is a question that has to be answered very soon or else we automatically go for option two.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('albente', 'T')he most likely scenario as of which Peak Oil acts as trigger is the ultimate and final kind of World War which brings back the scenarios of Carl Sagan and others. So it seems...
I don't rule the possibility of a world war (or just a big war) out. If a war like this happens then i hope this war is terrible enough to make sure it's the last war ever, in one way or another.
Imagine we start some sort of nuclear war right now; exterminating 90% of the population. If those survivors (after a few century's) still have wars and unnecessary suffering then they should have died in that war, if you ask me. If those survivors live in peace and harmony then i consider this war a blessing.
So, i'm fine with war as long as it's the last war ever. Otherwise it's just unacceptable and pointless. Learn or die!
mos6507:
I didn't consider this nuance; limited by mortality. Is education not able to overcome this limitation?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('albente', '(')in other words, Terrence McKenna might have been right on with his theory, that the Internet in itself might be a neurostructural brain form that has the capacity of becoming a world brain in itself).
O well...this is the psychology forum...
This sounds as sci-fi to me, but i can explain where those lines of thought are coming from; "collective consciousness" and "intuition".
Humans are social animals and are in a sense "fine-tuned" to each other (and the world). You can see and study this "collective consciousness" when looking at other animals, for example sheep's, cows, deers, bison's and other animals that live in a herd. When one of them does something then others follow soon.
"Collective consciousness" doesn't really exist. It's just the result from unconscious processing huge quantities of information. For example body language; you instantly know if a person is sad, tired, angry or happy. You're fine-tuned to detect those patterns without having to think.
When we as individual detect a certain pattern we call this "intuition". When a group of people detects a pattern then we call this "collective consciousness".
These things sometimes make us think we lost information or that there is somehow information hidden or in some cases that this information has to be revealed by some outside source. Adding artificial intelligence to the equation is not much different then adding a Jesus or a devil to the equation. They perform the same functions, namely; revealing those patterns.
Do you see where i'm going?
Adding an outside source like an AI or a Jesus is just a way to not take responsibility in the hope something else will solve the problem or reveal the solution.
Have fun!
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