Peak Oil
Donate Bitcoin

Donate Paypal


PeakOil is You

PeakOil is You

Documentary: "Battleground: 21 Days On The Empire's Edge"

A forum to either submit your own review of a book, video or audio interview, or to post reviews by others.
Post a reply

Re: Battleground: 21 Days On The Empire's Edge

Unread postby PrairieMule » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 16:56:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'C')ome on now. War is hell, everybody knows that.
No, they don't. Every generation has to re-learn the lesson. We do not learn. Current generation thinks it's a video game and the media pander to that image with cameras on smart bombs etc.
You've got a good point there, rog. I saw one of the GIs in this film say that he thinks America needs to try out the war machine every decade or so. Could be some truth to that. Isn't that the way the world has always been? since long before America became the top dog

Rog, PMS-
Remember the days when a pontificating John Wayne was enough to stir the drums of war?
If you give a man a fish you will have kept him from hunger for a day. If you teach a man to fish he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day.
User avatar
PrairieMule
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 2927
Joined: Fri 02 Sep 2005, 03:00:00
Location: In a Nigerian compound surrounded by mighty dignataries
Top

Re: Battleground: 21 Days On The Empire's Edge

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 17:08:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', '
')Remember the days when a pontificating John Wayne was enough to stir the drums of war?
I think John Wayne provided the Bush Dynasty with their role model:

Image

heh heh, not that I don't think its a fine model indeed! Cowboys, Indians! The Old West. That's probably the most romantic image of America there is, around the world.
User avatar
PenultimateManStanding
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 11363
Joined: Sun 28 Nov 2004, 04:00:00
Location: Neither Here Nor There
Top

Re: Battleground: 21 Days On The Empire's Edge

Unread postby rogerhb » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 17:08:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', 'R')emember the days when a pontificating John Wayne was enough to stir the drums of war?


Remember The Alamo?
"Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers." - Henry Louis Mencken
User avatar
rogerhb
Light Sweet Crude
Light Sweet Crude
 
Posts: 4727
Joined: Mon 06 Sep 2004, 03:00:00
Location: Smalltown New Zealand
Top

Re: Battleground: 21 Days On The Empire's Edge

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 17:17:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', 'R')emember the days when a pontificating John Wayne was enough to stir the drums of war?


Remember The Alamo?
I don't know if you were here, rog, when I shared this one with Madpaddy: an American, a Brit, a Frenchman and a Mexican were on a cross-Atlantic flight. The plane was losing power, they threw out everything they could but the plane was going down anyway. The Brit said "God save the Queen!" and jumped overboard. The Frenchman said, "Vive La France!" and jumped overboard. The American said, "Remember the Alamo!" and threw the Mexican overboard.
User avatar
PenultimateManStanding
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 11363
Joined: Sun 28 Nov 2004, 04:00:00
Location: Neither Here Nor There
Top

Re: Battleground: 21 Days On The Empire's Edge

Unread postby lateStarter » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 17:19:13

Miki wrote: $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow many more people need to die for you guys to know what to do?


That reminded me of the Winston Churchill quote: " You can always count on the Americans to do the right thing - after they have exhausted all other possibilities".

I do support PMS's belief that most American's are not by nature blood-thirsty war-mongers. They may be clueless, misled, mindless, brainwashed consumers with no grasp of history, politics, or culture, but on the whole they aren't really in favor of genocide or murder. Not so many decades ago, Americans were admired for their sense of fair-play and social justice (not American politicians - just regular Americans).

The problem is not Americans, it is American politicians and their industrial/corporate consorts.
We have been brought into the present condition in which we are unable neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them. - Livy
User avatar
lateStarter
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1058
Joined: Wed 06 Apr 2005, 03:00:00
Location: 38 km west of Warsaw, Poland
Top

Re: Battleground: 21 Days On The Empire's Edge

Unread postby PrairieMule » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 17:26:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', 'R')emember the days when a pontificating John Wayne was enough to stir the drums of war?
Remember The Alamo?
I don't know if you were here, rog, when I shared this one with Madpaddy: an American, a Brit, a Frenchman and a Mexican were on a cross-Atlantic flight. The plane was losing power, they threw out everything they could but the plane was going down anyway. The Brit said "God save the Queen!" and jumped overboard. The Frenchman said, "Vive La France!" and jumped overboard. The American said, "Remember the Alamo!" and threw the Mexican overboard.

Exactly; I wonder if generation Y or the millienals know that before we had Tom Clancy's Splinter cell for the xbox we had John Wayne's "Why I love America" or "The Ballad of The Green Berets" to stir american jingoism.
If you give a man a fish you will have kept him from hunger for a day. If you teach a man to fish he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day.
User avatar
PrairieMule
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 2927
Joined: Fri 02 Sep 2005, 03:00:00
Location: In a Nigerian compound surrounded by mighty dignataries
Top

Re: Battleground: 21 Days On The Empire's Edge

Unread postby rogerhb » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 17:27:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateStarter', 'N')ot so many decades ago, Americans were admired for their sense of fair-play and social justice (not American politicians - just regular Americans).


So that was after decimating the Indians and before McCarthyism.
"Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers." - Henry Louis Mencken
User avatar
rogerhb
Light Sweet Crude
Light Sweet Crude
 
Posts: 4727
Joined: Mon 06 Sep 2004, 03:00:00
Location: Smalltown New Zealand
Top

Re: Battleground: 21 Days On The Empire's Edge

Unread postby lateStarter » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 17:33:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateStarter', 'N')ot so many decades ago, Americans were admired for their sense of fair-play and social justice (not American politicians - just regular Americans).


So that was after decimating the Indians and before McCarthyism.


No. Just when they were handing out chocolate and nylon stockings in 20th century Europe. I don't think most of the world recognized or even knew about 'Americans' as such, until after 1918/19.
We have been brought into the present condition in which we are unable neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them. - Livy
User avatar
lateStarter
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1058
Joined: Wed 06 Apr 2005, 03:00:00
Location: 38 km west of Warsaw, Poland
Top

Re: Battleground: 21 Days On The Empire's Edge

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 17:35:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateStarter', '
')
I do support PMS's belief that most American's are not by nature blood-thirsty war-mongers. They may be clueless, misled, mindless, brainwashed consumers with no grasp of history, politics, or culture, but on the whole they aren't really in favor of genocide or murder.
So you don't think the rest of the world is also clueless, misled, mindless and brainwashed? You know, there was a scene in this movie where an Iraqi activist, who was trying to warn everybody about depleted uranium, was talking about McDonalds hamburgers. He was laughing as he he said it, but he was saying that he would rather eat fly-ridden shish khebob than cleanly packaged hamburgers. He joked and said "Give the khebob a Chance!". Funny thing is, that was derived from John Lennon song "Give Peace a Chance!" The world is so interconnected these days. We're all "brainwashed" to one degree or another. That term is thrown around so loosely. I wish you all would try to rise above it, its a useless term.
User avatar
PenultimateManStanding
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 11363
Joined: Sun 28 Nov 2004, 04:00:00
Location: Neither Here Nor There
Top

Re: Battleground: 21 Days On The Empire's Edge

Unread postby holmes » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 17:36:17

werd, PMS. I like our military. Had a nice weekend thinking about George Washington and how things could have been is we exterminated the self loathers and brought fire and brimstone to our borders. Stayed a nuetral country. simple living. What a loss. Sustainability is gone forever.
I would have been a top gun soldier in G. Washingtons military. Would have been proud to serve that man. A man. Men. MEN!
"To crush the Cornucopians, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women."
holmes
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 2382
Joined: Tue 12 Oct 2004, 03:00:00
Top

Re: Battleground: 21 Days On The Empire's Edge

Unread postby holmes » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 17:41:14

I love John Wayne. Just saw him in Hondo the other night. The best GW movie IMO. He was not too young but perfect duke years. 1957. I loved the scene where the boy said "My paw died before he could teach me how to swim. My mom didnt either." The duke turns and looks at him with that famous duke look picks him up by the back of the pants and shirt and heaves him into the river. teach him how to swim. My father did that excatly to me. I was like I dont know... up and into the river. I learned quick how to survive. I think my dad saw Hondo. I never saw hondo before.
"To crush the Cornucopians, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women."
holmes
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 2382
Joined: Tue 12 Oct 2004, 03:00:00
Top

Re: Battleground: 21 Days On The Empire's Edge

Unread postby rogerhb » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 17:44:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'H')ad a nice weekend thinking about George Washington and how things could have been is we exterminated the self loathers and brought fire and brimstone to our borders. Stayed a nuetral country. simple living. What a loss. Sustainability is gone forever.


You are starting to sound like Raphael.....
"Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers." - Henry Louis Mencken
User avatar
rogerhb
Light Sweet Crude
Light Sweet Crude
 
Posts: 4727
Joined: Mon 06 Sep 2004, 03:00:00
Location: Smalltown New Zealand
Top

Re: Battleground: 21 Days On The Empire's Edge

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 17:46:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'w')erd, PMS. I like our military.
Hey, holmes! Nice to see you posting. I like your sentiments, but if General Washington saw you write "werd" for "weird," I think he would have regarded you as cannon-fodder. Maybe, I don't know, but they highly regarded literacy in those days.
User avatar
PenultimateManStanding
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 11363
Joined: Sun 28 Nov 2004, 04:00:00
Location: Neither Here Nor There
Top

Re: Battleground: 21 Days On The Empire's Edge

Unread postby lateStarter » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 17:46:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateStarter', '
')
I do support PMS's belief that most American's are not by nature blood-thirsty war-mongers. They may be clueless, misled, mindless, brainwashed consumers with no grasp of history, politics, or culture, but on the whole they aren't really in favor of genocide or murder.
So you don't think the rest of the world is also clueless, misled, mindless and brainwashed? You know, there was a scene in this movie where an Iraqi activist, who was trying to warn everybody about depleted uranium, was talking about McDonalds hamburgers. He was laughing as he he said it, but he was saying that he would rather eat fly-ridden shish khebob than cleanly packaged hamburgers. He joked and said "Give the khebob a Chance!". Funny thing is, that was derived from John Lennon song "Give Peace a Chance!" The world is so interconnected these days. We're all "brainwashed" to one degree or another. That term is thrown around so loosely. I wish you all would try to rise above it, its a useless term.


Ok. At your request, I will never use the term again. I agree with you, that in general the entire world is being manipulated, without its knowledge. I'm sure Raphael can explain it all.
We have been brought into the present condition in which we are unable neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them. - Livy
User avatar
lateStarter
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1058
Joined: Wed 06 Apr 2005, 03:00:00
Location: 38 km west of Warsaw, Poland
Top

Re: Battleground: 21 Days On The Empire's Edge

Unread postby holmes » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 17:48:05

Oh my. Only americans are clueless? are u all serious? Thats serious gestapo talk. Everything u scream against it seems u are.
We were talking about u rogerhb this weekend! hehe. Well it seems we like u because u have sense of humor still. dont lose it.
"To crush the Cornucopians, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women."
holmes
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 2382
Joined: Tue 12 Oct 2004, 03:00:00
Top

Re: Battleground: 21 Days On The Empire's Edge

Unread postby holmes » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 17:58:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'w')erd, PMS. I like our military.
Hey, holmes! Nice to see you posting. I like your sentiments, but if General Washington saw you write "werd" for "weird," I think he would have regarded you as cannon-fodder. Maybe, I don't know, but they highly regarded literacy in those days.

werd as in word. They mispelled stuff all the time with old world spelling. Eat me u old fuck. U and your gens have sucked the planet dry and have allowed the porous borders. yet u still scold and reprimand. fuck off all of u self righteous turds. Go pave some more things. Thats what your good at. obviously. Paving. The culture of pavement. Grow. Growth obsession. Mental disorder.
"To crush the Cornucopians, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women."
holmes
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 2382
Joined: Tue 12 Oct 2004, 03:00:00
Top

Re: Battleground: 21 Days On The Empire's Edge

Unread postby holmes » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 18:00:46

who the fuck is raphael? My blood came here before GW. early 1600's. Ill fight like a wild animal. I dont give a fuck.
"To crush the Cornucopians, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women."
holmes
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 2382
Joined: Tue 12 Oct 2004, 03:00:00
Top

Re: Battleground: 21 Days On The Empire's Edge

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 18:17:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'w')erd, PMS. I like our military.
Hey, holmes! Nice to see you posting. I like your sentiments, but if General Washington saw you write "werd" for "weird," I think he would have regarded you as cannon-fodder. Maybe, I don't know, but they highly regarded literacy in those days.

werd as in word. They mispelled stuff all the time with old world spelling. Eat me u old fuck. U and your gens have sucked the planet dry and have allowed the porous borders. yet u still scold and reprimand. fuck off all of u self righteous turds. Go pave some more things. Thats what your good at. obviously. Paving. The culture of pavement. Grow. Growth obsession. Mental disorder.
So I made you mad with my gentle reminder about literacy? Come on now holmes, you know I like you. We could still live a life that values the land we live on without denigrating our language. Respect for language has nothing to do with raping the land.
User avatar
PenultimateManStanding
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 11363
Joined: Sun 28 Nov 2004, 04:00:00
Location: Neither Here Nor There
Top

Re: Battleground: 21 Days On The Empire's Edge

Unread postby rogerhb » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 18:20:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', 'T')he average American can't differentiate Iran from Iraq.


You are being generous, I would have said could not tell the difference between Iran and a tin of spaghetti.
"Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers." - Henry Louis Mencken
User avatar
rogerhb
Light Sweet Crude
Light Sweet Crude
 
Posts: 4727
Joined: Mon 06 Sep 2004, 03:00:00
Location: Smalltown New Zealand
Top

Re: Battleground: 21 Days On The Empire's Edge

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 18:24:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', 'T')he average American can't differentiate Iran from Iraq.


You are being generous, I would have said could not tell the difference between Iran and a tin of spaghetti.
This is really a pathology with you rog, you might need medical help.
User avatar
PenultimateManStanding
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 11363
Joined: Sun 28 Nov 2004, 04:00:00
Location: Neither Here Nor There
Top
PreviousNext
Post a reply

Return to Book/Media Reviews

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 26 guests