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Discussion on the "OIL AGE is OVER"

Unread postby maverickdoc » Thu 03 Mar 2005, 17:03:57

I would like to start of by saying good job matt, on a book well written. How did you come to learn about Peak Oil? And all the complex issues that go with it? Like alternative energy? Petrodollar? Etc.
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Unread postby MattSavinar » Thu 03 Mar 2005, 17:23:33

While waiting for my bar results in the fall of 2003, I was temping for a criminal defense attorney and tyring to put together my own anti-drug war organization.

While looking for articles to link to the website of the anti-drug war group, I came across Michael Ruppert and From the Wilderness.

I noticed the FTW articles on oil and the economy. At first, I thought, "Wow, that's some really, really scary stuff. But surely somebody will think of something? Like what about that thermal deploy-what-cha makall it stuff?"

But then I thought, "Clearly, this guy knows what he's talking about in regards to the drug war. If he is as on the money in regards to oil as he is to drugs, we're already in waste- high shit."

I had the same experiences most of you have: you read and get a bit disturbed. In an attempt to assuage your fears, you read more. But that only serves to get you more concerned.

Finally, the dam burst when it hit me that even if we did have scalable alternatives, we're not going to pursue them until it's too late. That was the moment of truth for me.

Ruppert's "Truth and Lies of 9/11" also helped put a lot of things in perspective.

I put up the site in the hopes of 1) finding a few other people who were as freaked out as I was and 2) perhaps using it to help find employment as an alternative energy lobbyist, thereby combining my concerns about peak oil with my legal background. Also figured that people are more likely to invest in alt-e, as oil prices get high. Therefore, a job in the alt-e. industry would be somewhat insulated from the collapse.

I had no intention of writing a book until after going on Coast to Coast. I figured I would keep looking for a job in the alt-energy sell some books on the side, which would be used to finance my own preparations, help pay down debt faster, etc.

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Unread postby maverickdoc » Thu 03 Mar 2005, 17:27:31

How come your book is not available on Amzon.com or any major books sellers?
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Unread postby MattSavinar » Thu 03 Mar 2005, 17:44:50

I published the book entirely on my own. My costs are thus sky high (at least 2-3x as high) compared to even a small publisher.

To put it on Amazon, I'd have to lower the price down to $10-$15, which would eliminate just about any return I make per book. Same thing goes for the major chains.

Let's say the book would retail for $15 at Chain X. I'd have to sell it to Chain X for $9/copy or less, which would practically put me in the red. I'd also have to sell them more copies then I can even afford to buy upfront. The problem is big chains don't prepay. They take your books, but you don't see the money till after they sell, which could be six months or longer. If the books don't sell, they get returned to you.

And sometimes they will stiff you or be slow in ponying up the dough. If you're a big publisher, you can afford the store being slow in payment or even not paying on couple hundred of books. I can't.

To make matters worse, you can't write off the production costs until after the book sells. (Accrual accounting.) Which means you could expend a ton of money in one year, but not get to take that as a business dedcution until the next year, or whenever the books sell).

If I had 6-12 months of income in the bank, I could get it into chains. But I'm like most people on this board: living month to month, trying to pay down debt, and figuring out how to finance more extensive preparations.

There are some small bookstores scattered throghout the country that carry it. Mostly survival or alternative living shops.

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Unread postby maverickdoc » Thu 03 Mar 2005, 17:47:29

In your book you seem extremely pessimistic. You seem to suggest there is no hope in alternative energy. You speak of tremendously powerful forces, corporations and govt. that have an inherent interest in keeping things the way they are. You seem to suggest their is no hope in trying to change the system.

Yet you want to become an energy lobbyist why the disconnect?
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Unread postby 0mar » Thu 03 Mar 2005, 17:57:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('maverickdoc', 'I')n your book you seem extremely pessimistic. You seem to suggest there is no hope in alternative energy. You speak of tremendously powerful forces, corporations and govt. that have an inherent interest in keeping things the way they are. You seem to suggest their is no hope in trying to change the system.

Yet you want to become an energy lobbyist why the disconnect?


Because human beings are irrational :)

I'm pursuing a degree in Bioengineering in Alternative fuels, I know it won't make any impact at all, but I still want to do it.
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Unread postby MattSavinar » Thu 03 Mar 2005, 17:58:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('maverickdoc', 'I')n your book you seem extremely pessimistic. You seem to suggest there is no hope in alternative energy. You speak of tremendously powerful forces, corporations and govt. that have an inherent interest in keeping things the way they are. You seem to suggest their is no hope in trying to change the system.

Yet you want to become an energy lobbyist why the disconnect?


Because people will be throwing money at alternative energy like there is no tomorrow. Thus, a job in the industry will be around longer than a job say in the legal profession.

No different than somebody who sells Hummers realizing that while Hybrids aren't going to save us, selling them would keep them financially afloat much longer than selling Hummers will.

In terms of alternative energy, there is no hope they can keep things together. That's not to say it's worhtless. But thinking it can provide us with enough energy to keep the monetary system going is ridiculous. It's like trying to replace a horse with a dog.

I can ride a horse. I can maybe put one of those dogggy pack bags on my dog and he can carry a few extra items. But me realizing I can't ride my dog around the ranch isn't pessimism. It's just common sense once one looks at the horse and then looks at the dog.

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Unread postby maverickdoc » Thu 03 Mar 2005, 17:59:51

Thanks 0mar, but it would be better if matt answered it
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Unread postby maverickdoc » Thu 03 Mar 2005, 18:05:10

You speak of the department homeland security as an entity designed to suppress descent. Yet you go on to write some damming things in your book about the Government. Aren’t you scared they will come to get you?
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Unread postby MattSavinar » Thu 03 Mar 2005, 18:22:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('maverickdoc', 'Y')ou speak of the department homeland security as an entity designed to suppress descent. Yet you go on to write some damming things in your book about the Government. Aren’t you scared they will come to get you?


Yes.
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Unread postby Permanently_Baffled » Thu 03 Mar 2005, 18:28:23

Hey Matt

Good to see you posting regular again. :)

Can I get your views on how perhaps different countries will approach the problem , do you see some being more successful than others in dealing with the PO symptons and transition?

Do you think any countries will manage a "powerdown" / " Natural die off" as opposed to mass anarchy starvation and chaos?

Let me down gently please :)

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Unread postby maverickdoc » Thu 03 Mar 2005, 18:29:57

MattSavinar what are you thoughts on the Iranian Oil Bourse, and the recent allegation that they are working on nuclear weapons? Will the regime be toppled before they set up this bourse that trades in euros?
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Unread postby MattSavinar » Thu 03 Mar 2005, 18:36:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Permanently_Baffled', 'H')ey Matt

Good to see you posting regular again. :)

Can I get your views on how perhaps different countries will approach the problem , do you see some being more successful than others in dealing with the PO symptons and transition?

Do you think any countries will manage a "powerdown" / " Natural die off" as opposed to mass anarchy starvation and chaos?

Let me down gently please :)

PB :razz:


I emailed a similiar question to Dale Allen Pfeiffer recently.

I know there are certain places I don't want to be: big cities like LA and NY, and the deep south as I don't know how the rapture ready crowd is going to react come 2010, 2015, 2020, and so on when the rapture hasn't saved them from economic apocalypse.

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Unread postby Ayoob_Reloaded » Thu 03 Mar 2005, 18:47:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('maverickdoc', 'I')n your book you seem extremely pessimistic. You seem to suggest there is no hope in alternative energy. You speak of tremendously powerful forces, corporations and govt. that have an inherent interest in keeping things the way they are. You seem to suggest their is no hope in trying to change the system.

Yet you want to become an energy lobbyist why the disconnect?


Not to jump in Matt's way, but I want to answer this one too. Nothing's going to save us from the big rollover, but that doesn't mean we should just forget about it and drive to WalMart today and buy plastic crap from China as fast as possible.

On the contrary.

I'm fucked and I know it, but I'm going to try to unfuck myself as much as possible by taking unrealistic actions. I know how futile it is to switch to a motorcycle for as much of my transportation as I can, but I'm going to do it anyway. As long as it's going to suck, I might as well get on with it and try to reduce my personal consumption voluntarily so as to fool myself into thinking I'm making a difference while still consuming a thousand times as much as an Indian peasant.

I'm fully aware of the irony involved in this, but can't seem to see myself doing anything else. I'm not one of those who has a whole lot of hope in this situation. The halving time for oil is somewhere between 8 and 24 years, and I'm going to spend what were commonly thought of as the most productive years of my life dealing with this situation, and in all likelihood, in extreme poverty.

Nevertheless, we need to get solar panels up and running. We need to get the power of the tides harvested. We need to get alcohol fuels and biodiesel vehicles together. We need to move data off the internet and on to physical books and get that stuff in a library, cause after the grid drops, it's all over. If you don't have it in your neighborhood, you ain't never gonna get it. Get busy, and see if the alternatives are workable in your area.

This is for today, guys. This very day, right now, today.

We're not going to maintain the lifestyles we live today, not a chance. But, I'd like to have ambulances running in my old age. I'd like to have books in my neighborhood so the kids don't grow up without an education. I'd like to have some kind of communications equipment so I can still have access to news.
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Unread postby MattSavinar » Thu 03 Mar 2005, 19:19:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob_Reloaded', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('maverickdoc', 'I')n your book you seem extremely pessimistic. You seem to suggest there is no hope in alternative energy. You speak of tremendously powerful forces, corporations and govt. that have an inherent interest in keeping things the way they are. You seem to suggest their is no hope in trying to change the system.

Yet you want to become an energy lobbyist why the disconnect?


Not to jump in Matt's way, but I want to answer this one too. Nothing's going to save us from the big rollover, but that doesn't mean we should just forget about it and drive to WalMart today and buy plastic crap from China as fast as possible.

On the contrary.

I'm fucked and I know it, but I'm going to try to unfuck myself as much as possible by taking unrealistic actions. I know how futile it is to switch to a motorcycle for as much of my transportation as I can, but I'm going to do it anyway. As long as it's going to suck, I might as well get on with it and try to reduce my personal consumption voluntarily so as to fool myself into thinking I'm making a difference while still consuming a thousand times as much as an Indian peasant.

I'm fully aware of the irony involved in this, but can't seem to see myself doing anything else. I'm not one of those who has a whole lot of hope in this situation. The halving time for oil is somewhere between 8 and 24 years, and I'm going to spend what were commonly thought of as the most productive years of my life dealing with this situation, and in all likelihood, in extreme poverty.

Nevertheless, we need to get solar panels up and running. We need to get the power of the tides harvested. We need to get alcohol fuels and biodiesel vehicles together. We need to move data off the internet and on to physical books and get that stuff in a library, cause after the grid drops, it's all over. If you don't have it in your neighborhood, you ain't never gonna get it. Get busy, and see if the alternatives are workable in your area.

This is for today, guys. This very day, right now, today.

We're not going to maintain the lifestyles we live today, not a chance. But, I'd like to have ambulances running in my old age. I'd like to have books in my neighborhood so the kids don't grow up without an education. I'd like to have some kind of communications equipment so I can still have access to news.


"I'm fucked and I know it, but I'm going to try to unfuck myself as much as possible."

My feelings exactly.

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