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Re: Commodity correction warning

Unread postby cube » Thu 05 Jun 2008, 21:04:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', '
')See that steely look in his eye?
Give yourself a good gut check, because that's the man who's going to rip your speculating lungs out with the stroke of a pen. It's gonna be jes like back in the 70s. Everybody was wallowing in the commodity pigpen, having a gay ol' time until Volcker decided to clean house.

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You're trying to compare "Helicopter Ben" with Paul Volcker?

JohnDenver these posts are NOT adding to your credibility!
Did you know how high Volcker had to raise interest rates to crush the commodity bull market of the 70's?
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Re: Commodity correction warning

Unread postby Cashmere » Thu 05 Jun 2008, 21:08:55

Jack, I think that there's much truth in what you say - I just think the timeline is getting shorter every day.

At some point, when the diesel is not there to bring the food to where it's needed, there must be bread lines.

Maybe 2 years. Maybe 5.

Hard to see how it could be beyond 10.

What I think the main motivation for LTF storage should be?

Avoiding the bread lines.
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Re: Commodity correction warning

Unread postby Jack » Thu 05 Jun 2008, 22:22:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', 'A')t some point, when the diesel is not there to bring the food to where it's needed, there must be bread lines.


Point well taken. Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that every effort will be made to avoid the bread lines, no matter the cost. Which doesn't mean the society will succeed in avoiding them - merely that every resource will be exhausted in the attempt.

Which implies that we will burn the economy to a cinder.

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Re: Commodity correction warning

Unread postby dunewalker » Fri 06 Jun 2008, 10:34:28

just wanted to bump this thread in light of the correction we are now observing in the crude oil market...
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Re: Commodity correction warning

Unread postby DantesPeak » Fri 06 Jun 2008, 10:35:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dunewalker', 'j')ust wanted to bump this thread in light of the correction we are now observing in the crude oil market...


Well, they were right - it is correcting upward!
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Re: Commodity correction warning

Unread postby FoxV » Fri 06 Jun 2008, 11:19:38

I love watching the bubble callers. They only call it a bubble when there's a price rise in something that they're not invested in. Once they invest in it, all of a sudden "its different this time".

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', 'G')ive yourself a good gut check, because that's the man who's going to rip your speculating lungs out with the stroke of a pen.

Take your own gut Check 'Denver and realize that man has already ripped out your savings.

Here's a little history lesson for you.

Arthur Burns - Installed by a war time president to allow inflation to accommodate policies (1970)
William Miller - Installed to restore confidence after Burn's destroyed everything but still to maintain policies (1978)
Paul Volcker - Installed to save the system at all costs because faith was lost (1979)

and today
Ben Bernanke - Installed by a war time president to allow inflation and accommodate policies (2005)

that leaves us with two more Fed changes before we have to worry. One more Fed to keep the status quo but restore faith after Bernanke's disasterous run. And a second Fed to clean up the mess once all faith is lost in the system.

In the 70's the US was an economic power house. Today its a nuclear armed banana republic. If you're not invested in commodities, expect to see much more pain than you ever thought imaginable. Today's little "ouch" at the gas pump is nothing compared to what you'll see by the time the next Volcker appears on the scene

Bubbles are not a result of price, they are a result of politics.

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removed a silver chart as I see its redundant and I misread JohnDenver's chart
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Re: Commodity correction warning

Unread postby seahorse2 » Fri 06 Jun 2008, 11:31:17

Jack,

Just saw your post and question. I agree with that. I think with each country it is different. Stalin and the Russians tolerated purges of milliions. We in the U.S. have this view of the individual not shared by many. I do think that will have a political effect on the way the US handles this growing crisis.
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Re: Commodity correction warning

Unread postby Falconoffury » Fri 06 Jun 2008, 11:41:30

From a supply and demand perspective, only two things can stop the commodity boom. One must either increase the supply of the commodities, or reduce the supply of money. The Fed only has power over money, not goods.

A bubble occurs when speculation temporarily defies the law of supply and demand. The housing bubble occured because the supply of houses for sale were increasing and the price was also increasing. In a sound economy, an increase in supply decreases the price.

We don't have a commodity bubble because supplies are tight.
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Re: Commodity correction warning

Unread postby yull » Fri 06 Jun 2008, 11:44:14

Oil up around 10% in 2 days. Certainly a correction all right.
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Re: Commodity correction warning

Unread postby jdmartin » Fri 06 Jun 2008, 13:22:02

On an off-tangent, I wish people would refer to John Denver as JonDen, or John-boy, or Country Roads, or anything else, as I always start looking for my post whenever I read people saying anything about "JD".

Otherwise, I mostly agree with what everyone else has posted (especially the nuclear banana republic, nice analogy). Carry on! :-D
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Re: Commodity correction warning

Unread postby BigTex » Fri 06 Jun 2008, 13:26:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jdmartin', 'O')n an off-tangent, I wish people would refer to John Denver as JonDen, or John-boy, or Country Roads, or anything else, as I always start looking for my post whenever I read people saying anything about "JD".

Otherwise, I mostly agree with what everyone else has posted (especially the nuclear banana republic, nice analogy). Carry on! :-D


How about we call him "Drunk Doomed Folk Singer"?
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Re: Commodity correction warning

Unread postby Cashmere » Fri 06 Jun 2008, 13:41:08

If i'm not mistaken, this is the second time CountryRoads has made a "correction" call that immediately preceded a mini spike.

I think I'm gunnuh t-up on the longs the next time countryroads makes a short call.
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Re: Commodity correction warning

Unread postby Jack » Fri 06 Jun 2008, 13:53:02

Well, John-Boy, this is a magnificent market call! We're at $137.67, a new record! You're timing is perfect!

Oh, granted you were completely wrong about the direction, but your timing is something to behold.

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Re: Commodity correction warning

Unread postby deeznutz » Fri 06 Jun 2008, 13:55:08

"dieoff fun to watch better with butter popcorn?"

Wow, you must be a fine human being.
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Re: Commodity correction warning

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Fri 06 Jun 2008, 14:05:29

Now, let's not be too hard on JD guys...

We all know that, before the government declares backruptcy, they will have to sell of whatever precious metals they have left in reserve. They may even need to sell off some of the emergency stockpiles of rubber, lithium and whatever other raw materials they may have kicking around. That will indeed create a "correction".

Of course, once all of the real players swoop in and snatch up everything the government offers (paid for in $USD, of course), pressure to take physical posession will fully unwind the carry trade.

So JD may actually be right, though for the wrong reasons.
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Re: Commodity correction warning

Unread postby Jack » Fri 06 Jun 2008, 14:57:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deeznutz', '
')Wow, you must be a fine human being.


I don't believe anyone has ever accused me of that previously.

Actually, I'm the board sociopath.

Truly.

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Re: Commodity correction warning

Unread postby dinopello » Fri 06 Jun 2008, 15:08:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'A')ctually, I'm the board sociopath.

Truly.

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But, are you a bored sociopath ? Keep in mind that usually the anticipation is the most interesting part. Truly. ;)
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