[the48thronin]

Just talked to my wife who unloaded her truck in San Antonio today. Flying j was limiting fuel in SA, T A was not limiting just north of SA but is limiting in dallas. The flying J in the houstoon area is closed midnight to 6 am and limiting fuel.

[FloridaGirl]

Check out this blog of people who are having trouble finding gas in Atlanta: Trouble Getting To Work Because of the Gas Crisis

A lot of people blame the governor, but I'm not sure what more he is supposed to do. They are mad at the governor for saying that there is no crisis.

They are mad at the media for saying it's because people are hoarding and topping off their tanks, because they know that's not the reason.

Some blame the emissions rules even though they have been waived for weeks.

Some can't get to work tomorrow.

Just a minor peek at our future post-peak oil. America is totally unprepared.

[the48thronin]

2 comments.

This fuel crisis is in fact a symptom of the systemic apparatus set up to deal with peak oil. where reserves are located, and where and how oil is distributed. The FAILURE to expand distribution systems to avoid a problem such as we are experiencing is a direct result of containment of oil infrastructure by those exploiting it then for profit. There was no expansion because there was no extra capacity to drive it. I am glad this short diesel thread was merged into the thread I thought I was posting it into when I started it.

second comment UPDATE

TA is still as of 10 am this morning out of fuel. ( I went and tried to fuel up there.) I noticed several other brands that had trucks fueling as I proceeded to wythville VA where I topped off the truck at a flying J that was listed as limiting fuel ( I took 59 gallons and it let me).

Tonight I am parked in Raphine VA where they have supplies ( this truck stop is owned by the oil distributer for this part of VA and of course their own stop would have supplies.

Again it is my opinion that this entire shortage is related to the failure of the refineries in the Houston area to provide fuel to colonial pipelione... Imagine that pipeline full of the water they pumped into it to force the remaining petroleum products up to the Washington area ( we cant fail to provide fuel to our lords and masters after all). Once they start pumping petroleum again the product will flow up the pipeline at 3-10 MPH 790 miles to Atlanta,
240 more miles to Nashville, or Charlotte, NC, 300 miles from Charlotte to Richmond, VA. 220 miles to lower NJ/Delaware. and another 100 miles to NY.

The fuel that was pushed up to Richmond ( to service Washington, DC, and to Carney's Point NJ to service Baltimore to Philly to Newark better last a while after Atlanta starts receiving fuel.

[Dont_Panic]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', 'I') just got off a long call with a guy in a rough part of Atlanta looking for gas. During the call he spots a gas truck. So then he, bless his heart, and 3 other cars start chasing the gas truck to the station.

[bratticus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://zanthraxis.livejournal.com/357409.html]The short emergency[/url]
by zanthaxis
@ 2008-09-27 14:37:00

My town- Rome, GA, just ran out of gas. By "run out of gas" I don't just mean a few stations here and there--- I mean EVERY station within a 30 mile radius is bone-dry! At least with me being the peak oil doomer that I am, I've been following this pretty closely and filling my tank up whenever it got half empty. Basically what happened in Nashville and Asheville last week is happening here now, which is them running out of regular gas, leaving only premium left, and then completely running out a few days later. As of Wednesday we only had premium left, and the same trend followed.

I think my governor's an idiot. He insists that the UGA-Alabama football game should go on as scheduled, even though Atlanta and Athens have as big a problem as we do. Athens only has 100,000 people living there and doesn't have anywhere near the amount of supplies needed to feed the fuel needs of 50,000+ people coming from out of town.

I guess we'll find out for sure how fast complacency turns into panic come Monday.

[bratticus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('misterno', 'I') don't understand. I am in Houston and all gas stations have gas. And this is happenning a week after the hurricane. What is going on in Atlanta? Does not make sense

[bratticus]

oops

[TheDude]

When will the gas shortage end? Expert Talks

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Updated 9/28/2008 11:48:43 AM

Posted By: Jason Becknell

"Maybe things are getting worse and not better." That's how Tex Pitfield, President of Saraguay Petroleum Corp., a local gas distributor described the current gas shortage in Metro-Atlanta during a live interview on 11 Alive News Sunday Today.

"I think we've passed panic, this would be what? More of a desperation sort of thing at this point."

Several drivers have told 11Alive they are worried that they won't find gas to get to work on Monday. And Pitfield said that's a problem even his employees are having.

"That's my issue primarily as a business owner is my staff is having trouble finding gas and getting to work. One of my guys that I desperately needed yesterday morning was a half-hour late because he couldn't find gas," Pitfield said.

[idiom]

Conspicous absence of follow up hurricanes.

[dinopello]

The "out of gas" video is a good piece on the situation.

[Sixstrings]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp ... 6#26960406

I haven't been following the Atlanta situation too closely, was surprised at this video. People are coming unglued! Like, having nervous breakdowns over lack of gas..

[MacG]

Well, this is EXACTLY what has been predicted since very long, even by Mr Savinar himself who you nicked the avatar from. PeakOil meets JIT, MOL and Complex Systems with Diminishing Returns.

I have been in constant awe over the silence on these boards over the actual shortages. My personal guess is that despite the openness of many contributors, actual gasoline shortages is just a humiliating subject, which is not brought up in polite conversations.

Since we are dealing with complex systems, there is no way to predict the outcome from here on. Might blow over, might get permanent and spread wider. No way to tell.

[CarlosFerreira]

Two weeks of shortages is just not normal. It does look like a bottleneck in production and distribution, not supply - but if it isn't supply, why do producers keep on talking about the hurricanes?

[Sixstrings]

This reminds me of a BBC Peak Oil documentary I saw. It posited a scenario in which, after rising oil prices, a hurricane triggers shortages.

The funny thing though is that in the video I think they dated the fictional scenario 2016, and the fictional prices were lower than what they are now, lol.

As for the video I linked, what really struck me was the woman crying and screaming "I just need gas to go to work!" And the business lady, just randomly screaming at somebody.

Why are these people yelling at EACH OTHER? It's like animals turning on one another, makes no sense. If you're out of gas, why would you rage agaisnt someone else out of gas?

Did people behave this way during the 70's shortages?

[RSFB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('CarlosFerreira', 'T')wo weeks of shortages is just not normal. It does look like a bottleneck in production and distribution, not supply - but if it isn't supply, why do producers keep on talking about the hurricanes?

[MD]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', '
')
I have been in constant awe over the silence on these boards over the actual shortages. My personal guess is that despite the openness of many contributors, actual gasoline shortages is just a humiliating subject, which is not brought up in polite conversations.

[EndOfGrowth]

People were hoarding fuel and panic buying which is exacerbating the shortage

[RSFB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', 'I') have been in constant awe over the silence on these boards over the actual shortages. My personal guess is that despite the openness of many contributors, actual gasoline shortages is just a humiliating subject, which is not brought up in polite conversations.

[TheDude]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RSFB', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', 'I') have been in constant awe over the silence on these boards over the actual shortages. My personal guess is that despite the openness of many contributors, actual gasoline shortages is just a humiliating subject, which is not brought up in polite conversations.

[IslandCrow]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RSFB', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', 'I') have been in constant awe over the silence on these boards over the actual shortages. My personal guess is that despite the openness of many contributors, actual gasoline shortages is just a humiliating subject, which is not brought up in polite conversations.