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Census Bureau "startled" by America's 100 million poor

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Re: Census Bureau "startled" by America's 100 million poor

Postby The Practician » Sun 20 Nov 2011, 19:09:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'f')wiw, my scorn is almost solely aimed at MBA toters thinking they have an anointed right to a good job.

Of all educated members of society, presuming they were actually taught and mastered business management, accounting, and economics material, a toter of an MBA should have no trouble understanding what is going on, and how to make a decent living (if not opulent) during this period. I have plenty of sympathy for the high school grad, or holder of soft/art degree who is overwhelmed and confused by the unimaginably huge, systemic reset that is underway right now. I can't do much to help them, and only have the weakest of advice to offer in that they should find a way to live small and seek contentedness outside of financial reward.

But an MBA ????
H*** no. Sink or Soar.
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Reasonable enough, but at some point you have to forgive people for believing the crap about eternal growth and endless prosperity they've been spoon fed their entire lives. Truth be told, I am probably better at the whole forgiveness and understanding on the internet, with ample time to read something, process it's responses, and forumulate my own, than I am In real "realtime", where I scorn my own mother for buying at the height of a housing bubble(Victoria, B.C is "different" apparently), and engage in faux-righteous tirades against the "poor people" outside my apartment window for making a racket over whose crackpipe is whose or whatever while I'm trying to sleep.

One of things I like about "peak oil" ,is that if you are willing, it can lead you to thinking about politics and economics is ways that defy traditional understandings of "left" vs "right". I come from the left, but the facts of resource depletion combined with the abject lack of resilience in the growth paradigm have led me to views that you could describe not as right, left, or center based on t the traditional ideology "line". Instead, you could look at them as being on the other side of a circle, so to speak, from the current conception of what the center is, but even that is really a simplification.

If there is one thing that the content of this forum has convinced me of, it of the uselessness of conventional ideological viewpoints, be they extreme or moderate in their nature, in confronting peak oil and resource depletion in a humane, rational, and agreeable manner.
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Re: Census Bureau "startled" by America's 100 million poor

Postby gollum » Sun 20 Nov 2011, 20:05:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The Practician', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'f')wiw, my scorn is almost solely aimed at MBA toters thinking they have an anointed right to a good job.

Of all educated members of society, presuming they were actually taught and mastered business management, accounting, and economics material, a toter of an MBA should have no trouble understanding what is going on, and how to make a decent living (if not opulent) during this period. I have plenty of sympathy for the high school grad, or holder of soft/art degree who is overwhelmed and confused by the unimaginably huge, systemic reset that is underway right now. I can't do much to help them, and only have the weakest of advice to offer in that they should find a way to live small and seek contentedness outside of financial reward.

But an MBA ????
H*** no. Sink or Soar.
Wheat from the chaff my good man.


Reasonable enough, but at some point you have to forgive people for believing the crap about eternal growth and endless prosperity they've been spoon fed their entire lives. Truth be told, I am probably better at the whole forgiveness and understanding on the internet, with ample time to read something, process it's responses, and forumulate my own, than I am In real "realtime", where I scorn my own mother for buying at the height of a housing bubble(Victoria, B.C is "different" apparently), and engage in faux-righteous tirades against the "poor people" outside my apartment window for making a racket over whose crackpipe is whose or whatever while I'm trying to sleep.

One of things I like about "peak oil" ,is that if you are willing, it can lead you to thinking about politics and economics is ways that defy traditional understandings of "left" vs "right". I come from the left, but the facts of resource depletion combined with the abject lack of resilience in the growth paradigm have led me to views that you could describe not as right, left, or center based on t the traditional ideology "line". Instead, you could look at them as being on the other side of a circle, so to speak, from the current conception of what the center is, but even that is really a simplification.

If there is one thing that the content of this forum has convinced me of, it of the uselessness of conventional ideological viewpoints, be they extreme or moderate in their nature, in confronting peak oil and resource depletion in a humane, rational, and agreeable manner.




You're right, it amazes me how much baggage we carry in our world views even being a group of peak oil aware people.
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Re: Census Bureau "startled" by America's 100 million poor

Postby Keith_McClary » Sun 20 Nov 2011, 21:02:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'Y')ou can see the attitude right here on this 4um. Every man for himself.

We used to have folks who were into "building sustainable communities" etc.

Whatever became of them?
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Re: Census Bureau "startled" by America's 100 million poor

Postby AgentR11 » Sun 20 Nov 2011, 21:02:50

Reality hit them upside the head with a 2x4.
Yes we are, as we are,
And so shall we remain,
Until the end.
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Re: Census Bureau "startled" by America's 100 million poor

Postby gollum » Sun 20 Nov 2011, 21:27:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Keith_McClary', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'Y')ou can see the attitude right here on this 4um. Every man for himself.

We used to have folks who were into "building sustainable communities" etc.

Whatever became of them?



I think many of them left when politics trumped peak oil here........
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Re: Census Bureau "startled" by America's 100 million poor

Postby Serial_Worrier » Sun 20 Nov 2011, 21:35:29

They should be happy to lick my boots. :twisted:
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Re: Census Bureau "startled" by America's 100 million poor

Postby Duende » Sun 20 Nov 2011, 22:42:02

Keith_McClary wrote:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e used to have folks who were into "building sustainable communities" etc.

Whatever became of them?

Oh, we're still here, and there will be plenty of time for that later. The need for sustainable communities will only increase over time. The thing is, the current political climate in this country is so toxic and cynical right now that no practical measures can be undertaken to address crony capitalism our peak oil world.

When the last ropes snap on the social safety net, millions more will join those who are already poor. At that point, society in the traditional sense will have dissolved into a state of 'every man for himself'. In its wake, nascent sustainable communities will form. Why? Because people will still demand the services that the government used to provide. I mean, old folks will still get sick, banks will still need oversight :o , roads will still need paving, etc. However, in the future these services will be provided locally for much less money, and without all the bells and whistles.
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Re: Census Bureau "startled" by America's 100 million poor

Postby Novus » Sun 20 Nov 2011, 23:15:25

Well that settles it, the rumors of a lost American decade from 2000-2010 is confirmed true. It was easy to see even in the boom times people living pay check to pay check and falling into debt traps were going to be in trouble and were never really prosperous in the first place. Maybe this will help explain to the numbskulls in Washington that we can't have an economic recovery with 100 million living in poverty. This is why we have a 99% OWS movement going on and it is not going to go away.


The census was conducted in the Spring of 2010 so things are actually quite a bit worse than that right now. Millions have fallen off Unemployment benefits while the number of tent city Obamavilles have doubled.
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Re: Census Bureau "startled" by America's 100 million poor

Postby kiwichick » Sun 20 Nov 2011, 23:59:19

does usa's population growth mean that the usa needs to add 100,000 jobs each month just to stand still?

is that sustainable?


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Re: Census Bureau "startled" by America's 100 million poor

Postby Loki » Mon 21 Nov 2011, 02:02:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'W')ell that settles it, the rumors of a lost American decade from 2000-2010 is confirmed true.


And here's more confirmation:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') recent study from the Economic Policy Institute found that the median working-age household saw an income decline of $2,700 from 2007 to 2009 and brought in roughly $5,000 less in 2009 than it did in 2000.

In that regard, low-wage workers are being hit the hardest, said Annette Bernhardt, policy co-director at the National Employment Law Project and author of the report. From the start of the recession through July, real median wages for all occupations have decreased 0.6 percent. But among lower-wage occupations, they have fallen 2.3 percent.

"That's a significant decline," Bernhardt said. "It doesn't happen that often that wages actually decline. Wages often stagnate, and maybe they don't grow as fast, but that level of decline is a really bad red flag about what's going on in the labor market. And it's really the workers in those low-wage occupations that have borne the brunt of it, and those, of course, are the occupations that are growing the most."

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Re: Census Bureau "startled" by America's 100 million poor

Postby Loki » Mon 21 Nov 2011, 02:03:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kiwichick', 'd')oes usa's population growth mean that the usa needs to add 100,000 jobs each month just to stand still?

is that sustainable?

Hell no it's not sustainable, economically or ecologically. This population growth is driven entirely by immigration, by the way. Sans immigration we'd be at or close to population stabilization.
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Re: Census Bureau "startled" by America's 100 million poor

Postby Crusty » Mon 21 Nov 2011, 02:06:08

100 million Poor!!! Shit, what's wrong with you Guys. Serial Worrier wants them too lick his Boots. If you guys don't get your act together you're going to Hell in a Handbag!!

This is Fodder for OWS. "You don't give a shit about me, then I don't give a shit about You!!! I say we tear it all Down!!"

If you guys don't play nicely together you'll all be put into a Time Out.
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Re: Census Bureau "startled" by America's 100 million poor

Postby Cog » Mon 21 Nov 2011, 07:12:54

The last thing the mooch class wants, is the destruction of the current system, which provides their superior and free gravy courtesy of the private sector.

Mooch class:

Federal employees
Local cops
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City and state and county employees
Teachers
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Government contractors
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Retired government workers at all levels
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Re: Census Bureau "startled" by America's 100 million poor

Postby vtsnowedin » Mon 21 Nov 2011, 08:12:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'T')he last thing the mooch class wants, is the destruction of the current system, which provides their superior and free gravy courtesy of the private sector.

Mooch class:

Federal employees
Local cops
Local fire department
City and state and county employees
Teachers
Academia
Government contractors
UAW
Retired government workers at all levels

:roll: Hey I resemble that remark!!!
My household has four of your nine covered and I could claim three myself as I'm a retired state employee that is working for the state under a contractor spending federal money.
But don't blame me for your troubles. The job was open back in 1975 and I took it and kept showing up for work and doing the job. No special class privileges, No uncle Vinny creating a job for me, No heritage scholarships at collages for me or my children.
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Re: Census Bureau "startled" by America's 100 million poor

Postby Serial_Worrier » Mon 21 Nov 2011, 17:15:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Crusty', '1')00 million Poor!!! Shit, what's wrong with you Guys. Serial Worrier wants them too lick his Boots. If you guys don't get your act together you're going to Hell in a Handbag!!

This is Fodder for OWS. "You don't give a shit about me, then I don't give a shit about You!!! I say we tear it all Down!!"

If you guys don't play nicely together you'll all be put into a Time Out.


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Re: Census Bureau "startled" by America's 100 million poor

Postby vision-master » Mon 21 Nov 2011, 19:50:07

an shining yer eyes. lol :lol:

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Re: Census Bureau "startled" by America's 100 million poor

Postby Crusty » Mon 21 Nov 2011, 22:20:01

Nah, I'm too far away. Someone will though, trouble is, your legs (& only your legs) will still be attached to them.
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Re: Census Bureau "startled" by America's 100 million poor

Postby Pretorian » Tue 22 Nov 2011, 05:52:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'T')he last thing the mooch class wants, is the destruction of the current system, which provides their superior and free gravy courtesy of the private sector.

Mooch class:

Federal employees
Local cops
Local fire department
City and state and county employees
Teachers
Academia
Government contractors
UAW
Retired government workers at all levels


I thought you are or were a .gov contractor? Now it does makes sense
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Re: Census Bureau "startled" by America's 100 million poor

Postby gollum » Tue 22 Nov 2011, 08:26:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'T')he last thing the mooch class wants, is the destruction of the current system, which provides their superior and free gravy courtesy of the private sector.

Mooch class:

Federal employees
Local cops
Local fire department
City and state and county employees
Teachers
Academia
Government contractors
UAW
Retired government workers at all levels


I thought you are or were a .gov contractor? Now it does makes sense



Cog is on the government tit????????? WTF
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Re: Census Bureau "startled" by America's 100 million poor

Postby Cloud9 » Tue 22 Nov 2011, 08:52:49

Why didn't bankers and union bosses make the list?
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