[Bas]

anyone read this book? it's a great all encompassing "peak everything" story that the update on the "limits to growth" report back in the seventies. It's making me alot more doomerish eventhough I've just started reading it. Somehow it's more confronting reading, or actually the book is hinting, about die-off than when you read about it here on some threads. Then again it goes about die off and peak everything in a very structured and all encompassing way.

here's a link to amazon for those of you who are interested in buying the book:
http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Limits-Confronting-Envisioning-Sustainable/dp/0930031628

[TheDude]

That's merely the 1993 update to the famous 1970's book The Limits to growth, BTL has been subsequently re-updated by Limits to Growth: The 30-Year Update. Thought they made you read this stuff before being allowed in the front door!

John Michael Greer advocates reading the original - the revisions were too "politicized" in his opinion. It's the original that had these sorts of graphs:

[Bas]

yeah I got the twenty year update thinking I ordered the thirty year one, the topics are the same though and their observations make them conclude we're in for some serious trouble. The title beyond limits means that since the limits to growth study was written we were (in the early nineties) in overshoot; society as a whole overshot the limits to what was sustainable. I haven't finished yet but what may be politicised about it is that they might give it a positive spin at end. The book does provide plenty of graphs like the one you showed.