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Bitcoin & crypto? Pt. 3

Discussions about the economic and financial ramifications of PEAK OIL

Re: Bitcoin & crypto? Pt. 3

Postby theluckycountry » Sun 29 Dec 2024, 17:37:48

As CBDCs Launch, How Long Until the Social Credit Grid Controls You?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s countries like China weaponize social credit systems, the U.S. quietly inches closer to implementing its own version under the guise of financial inclusion...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXbrNTJ8UNk

https://www.federalreserve.gov/cbdc-faqs.htm
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1'). What is a central bank digital currency (CBDC)?
A CBDC is a digital form of central bank money that is widely available to the general public.

"Central bank money" refers to money that is a liability of the central bank. In the United States, there are currently two types of central bank money: physical currency issued by the Federal Reserve and digital balances held by commercial banks at the Federal Reserve.

While Americans have long held money predominantly in digital form—for example in bank accounts, payment apps or through online transactions—a CBDC would differ from existing digital money available to the general public because a CBDC would be a liability of the Federal Reserve, not of a commercial bank.

So you'll be saved from bank collapses, happy days. It's too bad no one transacts btc peer to peer like was intended, they will all have have to transact through the CBDC system too, and you'll no doubt receive a statement of the tax you owe based on your record of purchase (which already exists) Personally I doubt the tax will be an issue, you only pay that on Gains.
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Re: Bitcoin & crypto? Pt. 3

Postby theluckycountry » Mon 30 Dec 2024, 21:42:53

Going by the 4 consecutive lower lows over the past 3 weeks I suggest BC may have peaked for this cycle. It's been 8 months since the halving. There could be a second slightly higher top, like in the 2021 cycle, who knows?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hese peaks are often reached within a year after a halving, riding the wave of reduced supply and heightened demand, before the natural market correction takes hold due to profit-taking and the cyclical nature of investor sentiment.

The tops sheer off so quickly it hardly leaves time for profit taking, hence most hodlers ride it all the way down :cry:
I would think the big players have already sold a lot into the market, that's what fed the Trump top.
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Re: Bitcoin & crypto? Pt. 3

Postby theluckycountry » Wed 01 Jan 2025, 00:23:26

Who farted? The Trump bump at risk of becoming a dump?


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https://www.zerohedge.com/the-market-ea ... oming-dump
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Re: Bitcoin & crypto? Pt. 3

Postby theluckycountry » Wed 01 Jan 2025, 16:54:20

Trump is 78 years old! What is it with the Americans? Everyone else gets younger more vibrant leaders yet the US votes in men on their deathbeds almost. An 80 year old man isn't connected with mainstream society, he's off in his own world. The only reason he has appeal with the masses is because he has young handlers telling him what to say.

He made promises to the crypto community to get their votes, knowing that no one else would care, because we don't. He made promises to abolish EV subsidies to attract voters sick of subsidizing the crap, it didn't offend EV owners because they have already bought, and the number of those wanting to gets smaller by the day. He promised everything to everyone, even vague promises about ending the war, as though he had influence in Russia :lol:

Whatever crypto does going forward it will depend a lot more on the stock market than on the promises of a corporate toady having his second term in the oval office.
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Re: Bitcoin & crypto? Pt. 3

Postby AdamB » Thu 02 Jan 2025, 23:59:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'T')rump is 78 years old! What is it with the Americans?


Well, some don't mind convicted felons and folks convicted of sexually assaulting women being the leader of the free world.

The average Americans just keep going about being exceptional and all. <yawn>

Good luck with rounding up some Aussie capable of building one of those 4 wheeled cages with a motor keeping the wheels moving and all, and getting rolling with being more like Americans....a century after Americans were doing this....but hey, your genes being what they are and all...its a start!
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Re: Bitcoin & crypto? Pt. 3

Postby theluckycountry » Sun 05 Jan 2025, 06:43:46

How do you fool the public into thinking your companies stock isn't in a Bubble? Stock splits where the price is reset multiples lower, 2x, 5x, 10x, whatever it takes to make it look like it's trading normally.

MicroStrategy though doesn't need to employ such shenanigans, it's method is to double down buying BC. On Friday afternoon, MicroStrategy’s share price rose to $341.14, after the world’s largest corporate holder of bitcoin announced the acquisition of 2,138 bitcoin, at a price of roughly $97,837 per bitcoin. The buy represents an investment of approximately $209 million for the software intelligence company – marking the company’s eighth week in a row of consistent bitcoin purchases.


6 months ago the price was $130 a share
A month and a half ago it was $504
Today it's back at $340

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')ed by prominent bitcoin maximalist Michael Saylor, the company has long touted the revolutionary potential of bitcoin: “Bitcoin fixes things. Bitcoin can help everybody,” Saylor said at last year’s Bitcoin 2023 conference in Miami. “Bitcoin is here to stay. Bitcoin is the future."

However, the firm’s bitcoin accumulation strategy has attracted criticism. In an interview with Business Insider, one expert labeled the ploy "a leveraged vehicle for holding bitcoin in the guise of a software company," indicating that the company's bitcoin investments were speculative, inviting volatility and risk, rather than offering shareholders a sustainable business model.


Bitcoin fixes things. That it does, Russia says it's using bitcoin to evade sanctions :lol:
I hear you can use it to buy drugs and Hits on the darkweb too. Many uses. But it's interesting how MSTR buys it's bitcoin, it uses debt, not funds. I wonder how many average people have drawn equity out of their homes to do the same thing? God help them if they have. For all the bluster about BC going to the moon it's going to need a lot of new entrants to see that happen. A big influx of believers basically, not something I see happening with the current economic climate.

https://www.axios.com/2024/12/25/russia ... ons-crypto
Why MicroStrategy’s stock has slid 40% in the past month even as Bitcoin treads water
https://www.dlnews.com/articles/snapsho ... ads-water/

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Re: Bitcoin & crypto? Pt. 3

Postby theluckycountry » Sat 11 Jan 2025, 10:53:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')or those not yet convinced of the ‘MEME’ characteristics rather than the antifragile nature of cryptocurrencies, a look at Dogecoin (not to be confused with the Department of Government Efficiency led by the modern American version of Rasputin), originally created in 2013 as a joke based on the popular "DOGE" meme, reveals that, unlike Bitcoin, it has officially stated that it has an unlimited supply. This undermines the belief in cryptocurrency's scarcity and value retention. While having no technological utility like Ether, Dogecoin's market capitalization has peaked in sync with the Nasdaq index and the Bitcoin-to-Gold ratio. This should be enough to convince any YOLO investors that cryptocurrencies, whatever they are, are NEITHER ANTIFRAGILE NOR A STORE OF VALUE, but rather speculative tools created for money laundering and financing illegal activities across the world.

Sam Bankman-Fried founded Alameda Research and FTX in 2019, but their close ties led to the misuse of customer funds. In November 2022, a report on Alameda’s FTT holdings triggered a liquidity crisis, exposing an $8 billion shortfall and resulting in FTX’s bankruptcy. The collapse, labelled one of the largest financial frauds in U.S. history, devastated crypto markets and contributed to the failure of Signature Bank, which had $110 billion in assets.

To describe the current level of insanity of the ‘Crypto Ponzi Scheme’, despite its parent company’s bankruptcy, the FTX Token ($FTT) still has a market cap of almost $900 million, valuing it higher than half the businesses in the Russell 2000.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2025-01-11/goldeneye

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Re: Bitcoin & crypto? Pt. 3

Postby careinke » Sun 12 Jan 2025, 21:53:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')or those not yet convinced of the ‘MEME’ characteristics rather than the antifragile nature of cryptocurrencies, a look at Dogecoin (not to be confused with the Department of Government Efficiency led by the modern American version of Rasputin), originally created in 2013 as a joke based on the popular "DOGE" meme, reveals that, unlike Bitcoin, it has officially stated that it has an unlimited supply. This undermines the belief in cryptocurrency's scarcity and value retention. While having no technological utility like Ether, Dogecoin's market capitalization has peaked in sync with the Nasdaq index and the Bitcoin-to-Gold ratio. This should be enough to convince any YOLO investors that cryptocurrencies, whatever they are, are NEITHER ANTIFRAGILE NOR A STORE OF VALUE, but rather speculative tools created for money laundering and financing illegal activities across the world.

Sam Bankman-Fried founded Alameda Research and FTX in 2019, but their close ties led to the misuse of customer funds. In November 2022, a report on Alameda’s FTT holdings triggered a liquidity crisis, exposing an $8 billion shortfall and resulting in FTX’s bankruptcy. The collapse, labelled one of the largest financial frauds in U.S. history, devastated crypto markets and contributed to the failure of Signature Bank, which had $110 billion in assets.

To describe the current level of insanity of the ‘Crypto Ponzi Scheme’, despite its parent company’s bankruptcy, the FTX Token ($FTT) still has a market cap of almost $900 million, valuing it higher than half the businesses in the Russell 2000.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2025-01-11/goldeneye

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You should hire this guy as your financial advisor. He would be perfect for you. :wink:

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Re: Bitcoin & crypto? Pt. 3

Postby theluckycountry » Mon 13 Jan 2025, 03:37:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', 'Y')ou should hire this guy as your financial advisor. He would be perfect for you. :wink:


He's dead inke :roll:
Died over 100 years ago. Try to keep up with events.
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Re: Bitcoin & crypto? Pt. 3

Postby theluckycountry » Mon 13 Jan 2025, 13:19:09

Boy that "Trump Bump" wore off is a big way didn't it? BT broke under 90k this morning, following the rest of the paper markets down, as always.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')itcoin's introduction into the market in the early 2010s was heralded by a belief in its low correlation to other assets—and thus, potential to act as a hedge against asset classes like equities. The idea is that bitcoin doesn't necessarily move with the stock market, so if equities are generally down, just like gold, your bitcoin position should be up.

Whoever thought up that sales pitch should have got a bonus, didn't turn out to be true of course.

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hy do bitcoin transactions take so much energy?
Bitcoin is the only major currency that uses proof-of-work mining. The large energy usage associated with proof-of-work mining is an inevitable consequence of the fundamental nature of its algorithms.

In other words, outdated technology. As time passes, and the ledger grows, each single transaction takes longer and longer and consumes more and more energy. It's one of the reasons, just one, that dooms BT as a financial instrument.

These are the "Fundamentals" of BC, in other words the realities that underpin it. Such fundamentals can be ignored for a period, and often are, as an exuberant investor class chases big profits. But the fact is these financial gambles always fail when the reality of their fundamentals catches up with them. That small book, written so long ago, Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds explains this beautifully. The problem is, no one reads it! And every decade or so a New get rich quick scheme is foisted on a gullible public and a percentage of them get sucked in.

Here on PO we understand that the world is running out of cheap energy, running out of fossil fuels. And also many of us have finally awoken to the reality that Re-Buildable energy systems were a con job and never a solution. Running out of energy is not an overnight event but the systems that are highly dependent on energy (like the electricity grids) are under increasing stress as each year passes. The failure of electricity grids globally will be one of the signature events of this century and they are already collapsing in many nations that formerly had nothing but reliable power delivery. This process can't be averted and as it plays out many formerly valuable assets, like shares in highly energy dependent companies, are going to collapse in price.

They were singing and dancing right up until the day Noah went into the ark and the rains began. They were singing and dancing right up until the Tulip bubble in Holland burst, and they were singing and dancing at the beginning of September 1929, on the eve of the worst stock market crash in history. Why? Well it's obvious from the historical records, no one believed it could happen. No one was looking at the fundamentals.


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Re: Bitcoin & crypto? Pt. 3

Postby careinke » Mon 13 Jan 2025, 20:25:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', 'Y')ou should hire this guy as your financial advisor. He would be perfect for you. :wink:


He's dead inke :roll:
Died over 100 years ago. Try to keep up with events.


Why would I suggest a dead person to be your financial adviser??? I was referring to the live person on Zero Hedge.

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Re: Bitcoin & crypto? Pt. 3

Postby theluckycountry » Tue 14 Jan 2025, 01:14:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', 'W')hy would I suggest a dead person to be your financial adviser??? I was referring to the live person on Zero Hedge.


"That live person" :lol: You'll have to better than that as a coverup inke, go back and pull a name off the webpage this time :lol: :lol:

You see what's going on here don't you? You're struggling to put 3 sentences in a paragraph, why? Lack of knowledge on the subject of course. You can jabber on with the best of them but when it comes to investment of money or even BC, you're lost for words. Your analysis typically boils down to "Wait grasshopper, more will be revealed" I don't hold it against you of course, what passes for analysis in the crypto-sphere is just so much one liner gibberish anyway. There is nothing to analyze basically, unless it's the current mood swings of Donald Trump.

Do you know why Tulip bulbs went into a mania back in Holland all those centuries ago? I'm referring to the touted fundamentals of the traders, not the actual reality of it. The people buying and selling claimed they were "Rare". That has always been the justification for inordinate prices. Whether it's a financial asset or a Beanie Baby stuffed toy. And what enables the big price rises? Well fundamentally it comes down to the amount of consumable income free in society. That's the money left over after all the necessities are paid for. Savings are not counted as a necessity BTW.

Once this consumable income dries up, bubble assets collapse. Nobodies going to bid them up when they are struggling to put food on the table and pay a mortgage. The GFC crash back in 2007~8 came at a time of high stock market valuations, high interest rates, high debts and very high oil prices. "Rare" Ford GT cars down here collapsed in price from half a million dollars to a hundred thousand or so. They too were considered an asset, when people had pockets full of money. But when things got tight the reality became evident that they were just old cars, desirable sure, but not worth half a million bucks.

What's to be desired about BC? It's a nothing, a string of random alphanumerics in the form of computer code. Here look. [ xy12323&5T3%1k_d6h+Bhe&K7x1hsueLke9*kE4t53209fy47!~`kijhs. ] Do you realize how unique that sequence of characters are inke? I can guarantee you no one has ever seen that before, of course now that I've put it into plain text it's worthless, But I have another, that I can encrypt and send to you in parts through a secure email service like protonmail. It will literally be the only one on the planet, perhaps in the Galaxy, incredibly rare. What's it worth to you? Nothing of course, because you don't believe it has value, and that's the reason why BC will fail, it relies on millions of people "believing" the alphanumeric strings have value. If it actually had some utility, like it was being used as Money, to transact peer to peer on a large scale across the world I'd give it a chance at retaining it's value. But that was just another failed promise wasn't it. It's Beanie babies now, hoarded and traded like tulip bulbs were, like shares in the Mississippi company were, like shares in pets.com were.
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Re: Bitcoin & crypto? Pt. 3

Postby theluckycountry » Tue 14 Jan 2025, 15:16:03

It's the Debt, stupid
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')The general gist of MicroStrategy's Bitcoin strategy is this:

Make Bitcoin the company's primary treasury asset over cash.
Leverage secondary share offerings and debt offerings to buy more Bitcoin.
Use its underlying business to generate revenue to service the debt incurred to buy more Bitcoin.
Attract Bitcoin enthusiasts as shareholders which supports the share price and facilitates secondary offerings used to buy more Bitcoin.

It's one big leveraged gamble, and it's paid off in terms of the microstrategy share-price gains that has allowed Saylor to sell much of the stock he owned in the company and take that money off the table so to speak. He's a multi billionaire now, and he "claims" that the profits he made selling into the top were rolled into bitcoins. All of it? Much of it? He'd be a fool to do that because the very basis of BC is to make squillions and buy lambos with them. He's made his personal fortune now, why risk it? Naturally he's still in the game just as Elon muck and all the others are. He has an empire and an image but if all the wheels fall off he certainly won't be crying, he'll simply be retiring, in abject wealth.

There are a lot of lies in the financial sphere and one that always comes to mind for me is the concept of "Growing Wealth." The speak as though it comes off a tree or something. It's a shallow lie but the average consumer believes it. The truth is you can only attain wealth by taking it out of the ground, or by taking it from someone else's pocket. Even a wealthy car manufacturer, who you would imagine is "Growing Wealth" by building an amazing business is actually just taking wealth from the pockets of those he sells his cars to. Sure the car makes their lives 'better' but at a price! A drain on their income, their wealth. This is a Wealth transfer, plain and simple.

When Saylor takes his Billions in share profits off the table it means someone else has invested their money, their savings into those shares. He has simply taken wealth from all these other people and left them with an ownership share in a company that is highly leveraged to a sketchy asset, BC. For them to "Grow Wealth" they need to do the same, and on and on. But as we know, 99% of companies end up in the weeds eventually. Bethlehem Steel? GM, Ford, Solara? Oh these mostly are still trading but they are choked on debt and not worth a fraction of what they were in their glory days. When the music stops the Wealth vanishes they say, but in truth it was moved out long before. Extracted by the Board members, the CEOs and the owners that saw the writing on the wall.
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Re: Bitcoin & crypto? Pt. 3

Postby careinke » Wed 15 Jan 2025, 06:15:41

Lucky, take a chill pill or even better, an orange one. You seem to be obsessed with successful people who are disrupting your faulty belief of reality.

Now that I have your Kacal's up, here is the article you posted, and I was responding to:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2025-01-11/goldeneye

He is trying to talk down BTC and probably buying the dips. His first table comparing various Index performance to gold seemed to be missing something,,, Oh yea BTC. Here, I got that data for you:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n 2024, Bitcoin (BTC) outperformed gold significantly. While Bitcoin surged by approximately 119%, gold saw a more modest increase of around 27%. This means that Bitcoin's performance was more than four times that of gold in the same year.

His claims that BTC is primarily used for illegal purposes is also ludicrous, that would be fiat dollars. His cred with me is pretty low.

I have to thank you for your hilarious description of how BTC works:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n other words, outdated technology. As time passes, and the ledger grows, each single transaction takes longer and longer and consumes more and more energy. It's one of the reasons, just one, that dooms BT as a financial instrument.


Your ignorance is legion; blocks are always around ten minutes and have not taken any longer over time, storage of the total block chain could be placed on a large thumb drive not a lot of energy needed to do it. If you are really concerned about energy consumption, I can't wait until you check out AI.

Most countries will not want their citizens info stored at other countries. So, game theory says each country will need their own in country AI. This will require a whole lot more energy. Add in all stock markets will be running 24/7, huge increases in electric vehicles, etc. We will be needing about 3 times more energy than we use today.

I've heard in a truly free market, the price of everything will drop to zero. This is true when you price things in BTC, not so much with Fiat where it is assumed a 2% inflation rate is a good thing. Any inflation over zero is theft from the poor to control them.

Trumps second term is filled with pro crypto sponsors, the tech giants have all made their pilgrimage to Maro Logos to kiss the ring of the new world leader.

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Re: Bitcoin & crypto? Pt. 3

Postby theluckycountry » Wed 15 Jan 2025, 18:02:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', 'T')rumps second term is filled with pro crypto sponsors, the tech giants have all made their pilgrimage to Maro Logos to kiss the ring of the new world leader.
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New world leader :lol: :lol: :lol: What a classic.
He has about as much authority as cleaner, and a lot less freedom of action than an LA cop. He'll do what the Banks and the Pharma and the military industrial complex tells him to do, that was proven in his first term, yet everyone seems to have forgotten?

He's an old salesman, he gives you promises promises and you lap them up like a kitten does cream. Hopium, lap it up, enjoy your ride on the BC yoyo. It's up again today, up by thousands, don't you feel great? But in your mind is that constant fear, what if it plunges? What if this is it for this cycle? Happiness--Fear--excitement--Dread

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Look, it's mainstream,
I left the bullet point formatting as it was, just to add to your anxiety :P

Crypto and Mental Health: Navigating the Emotional Rollercoaster of Investing

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')nvesting in cryptocurrencies can be a thrilling yet emotionally demanding journey. The volatile nature of the crypto market often leads to significant price fluctuations, triggering a rollercoaster of emotions for investors. Navigating this emotional terrain is crucial for maintaining mental well-being while actively participating in the crypto space.

Understanding the Emotional Rollercoaster:

Excitement and Euphoria:

Description: Initial investments or market surges can lead to feelings of excitement and euphoria.
Advice: Maintain a balanced perspective, set realistic expectations, and avoid making impulsive decisions based on short-term excitement.

Fear and Anxiety:

Description: Market downturns or unexpected events may instill fear and anxiety.
Advice: Focus on long-term goals, conduct thorough research, and consider risk management strategies to mitigate anxiety during market downturns.

Greed and FOMO (Fear of Missing Out):

Description: Seeing others profit may trigger greed or the fear of missing out on potential gains.
Advice: Stick to a well-thought-out investment plan, avoid succumbing to FOMO, and remember that markets go through cycles.

Disappointment and Regret:

Description: Losses or missed opportunities can lead to disappointment and regret.
Advice: Learn from experiences, reassess strategies, and avoid dwelling on past decisions. Adaptability is key in the dynamic crypto market
https://medium.com/@syedhasnaatabbas/cr ... a31a8dc517

That's all too much for me, I'll stick with something more relaxing
It's been a nice relaxing year for Gold.

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Re: Bitcoin & crypto? Pt. 3

Postby theluckycountry » Wed 29 Jan 2025, 17:18:07

I check in on reddit from time to time to get a feel for the coins, doge and BC. Sentiment on the BC sub is very muted at the moment, it seems a good proportion of hodlers are expecting a top soon, followed naturally by a prolonged Bear market. A woman poses a question.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')y husband bought bitcoin from 2017 through 21, before his untimely death. Four years later I found his paper wallet and transferred into coin base. I about cried. I’m trying to learn more about cryptocurrency now. I own my house, but owe roughly $150k on it, should I pull some out now and sit on one bitcoin? I know it’s going to keep growing but the burden of a mortgage payment that I am able to payoff it’s looking really enticing… suggestions?


-Many many conservative answers. It seems a lot of hodlers are not rabid all in Saylors.

If it was me I’d pay the mortgage off. You may not be able to if/when the price crashes and in that case would you be able to hold the 3.5 through a bear market? This being your first time - probably not…pay your mortgage off, do something to honour the memory of your husband. Keep 1 coin on the table at the least.

Please listen to this person. As this is a reasonable take. Keep in mind that on a sub about bitcoin, people will tend to be biased about bitcoin. So be debt free first and noone can ever take that away from you. And keep 1 bitcoin as an investment. This way you honor the memory twice.




When the price crashes and takes a very long time to recover. in the past these have been as high as 50-80% and can take years to recover back to their highs……would you be gutted if these 3.5 coins were suddenly valued at $90k in total? ….most new people to this space will sell at this time and lose half their value, I did it myself the first time in 2017/2018.

You’re in a Bitcoin sub so most will say hold forever, but the weight off your shoulders from paying off your mortgage would give you real life tangible benefits. Given your husband was into BTC, I would always keep some as a memory of him. - your future self will thank you for this…and him.



If you’re asking what a bear market is, please sell it all. If you don’t, you probably will sell it when it crashes. Nothing personal, this stuff is scary, but you found it at exactly the least scary time.

Sell it out of respect to your husband, frankly. It is what I’ve told my wife she must do. It’s what all my crypto friends agree our wives must do.

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Re: Bitcoin & crypto? Pt. 3

Postby careinke » Thu 30 Jan 2025, 14:07:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'I') check in on reddit from time to time to get a feel for the coins, doge and BC. Sentiment on the BC sub is very muted at the moment, it seems a good proportion of hodlers are expecting a top soon, followed naturally by a prolonged Bear market. A woman poses a question.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')y husband bought bitcoin from 2017 through 21, before his untimely death. Four years later I found his paper wallet and transferred into coin base. I about cried. I’m trying to learn more about cryptocurrency now. I own my house, but owe roughly $150k on it, should I pull some out now and sit on one bitcoin? I know it’s going to keep growing but the burden of a mortgage payment that I am able to payoff it’s looking really enticing… suggestions?


-Many many conservative answers. It seems a lot of hodlers are not rabid all in Saylors.

If it was me I’d pay the mortgage off. You may not be able to if/when the price crashes and in that case would you be able to hold the 3.5 through a bear market? This being your first time - probably not…pay your mortgage off, do something to honour the memory of your husband. Keep 1 coin on the table at the least.

Please listen to this person. As this is a reasonable take. Keep in mind that on a sub about bitcoin, people will tend to be biased about bitcoin. So be debt free first and noone can ever take that away from you. And keep 1 bitcoin as an investment. This way you honor the memory twice.




When the price crashes and takes a very long time to recover. in the past these have been as high as 50-80% and can take years to recover back to their highs……would you be gutted if these 3.5 coins were suddenly valued at $90k in total? ….most new people to this space will sell at this time and lose half their value, I did it myself the first time in 2017/2018.

You’re in a Bitcoin sub so most will say hold forever, but the weight off your shoulders from paying off your mortgage would give you real life tangible benefits. Given your husband was into BTC, I would always keep some as a memory of him. - your future self will thank you for this…and him.



If you’re asking what a bear market is, please sell it all. If you don’t, you probably will sell it when it crashes. Nothing personal, this stuff is scary, but you found it at exactly the least scary time.

Sell it out of respect to your husband, frankly. It is what I’ve told my wife she must do. It’s what all my crypto friends agree our wives must do.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/commen ... er_35_btc/

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"You never lose money by taking a profit."

That said, she did not seem to give enough information for valid "Advice." for instance: What is the interest rate on the mortgage? Is she able to comfortably make the payments now? etc. etc. Personally if my mortgage was under 2% and I could make the payments, I would not pay it off yet. This bull is very, very, close to the 2015 cycle and should have another 300-350 days left to run. Also, she said she is now learning about BTC, that's good. She really only needs to sell 1.5 of her 3.5 BTC to pay off the mortgage, leaving her with 2 full BTC to work with.

Another good reason to sell is for "lifestyle upgrades/investments." I plan on doing some of this latter in the year, with around 30% of my gains. I'll be adding solar, a new shop, a few Tesla walls, a tesla car of some kind with self-driving, covered concrete parking for my motor home, probably pay off all my very low interest debts just because I don't want to be bothered with them, and planting Geoducks on the property for sale in five years. Anything left over, will go back into BTC after it is back in the bear market year of 2027.

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Re: Bitcoin & crypto? Pt. 3

Postby theluckycountry » Fri 31 Jan 2025, 21:33:02

Which side are you gonna put that carport on inke?

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Re: Bitcoin & crypto? Pt. 3

Postby careinke » Sat 01 Feb 2025, 00:04:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'W')hich side are you gonna put that carport on inke?

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That would have been a fun restoration in my younger days. But at 71 next week, I plan to hire local contractors to do the work. However next cycle, I will just have my Tesla robots do my manual labor.

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Re: Bitcoin & crypto? Pt. 3

Postby EnergyUnlimited » Sat 01 Feb 2025, 06:41:37

To all of you.

Pointless to argue about crypto being useless or a fraud.
Several years ago my younger son have won a reasonable wealth and financial freedom by trading crypto back and forth.
He was only 21 at the time and it took our family about a year to watch those candles on charts and execute daily trades 24/7/365. We have assigned duties for him, me and my wife and sometimes also our older son was helping - but my younger son was a brain of operation.
So he got there - and now can show 2 fingers to the system.
He no longer trades crypto but made enough money out of countless cheeky trades to impress few banksters and now has fast tracked career in ASEAN being already reasonably well off at a start. He left Poland and now lives in Malaysia.
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