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Re: Best countries for buying a wife

Unread postby Heineken » Sat 31 Jan 2009, 20:46:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', ' ')I feel myself close to tears at times. My eyes water but nothing drops out of them.
John Updike wrote a lot about relationships. His death is in the news. He wrote a poem about his pending death in which he referred to 'a shrug and tearless eyes.' You are an interesting character, Heineken. Physically imposing, handsome and, yes, you do look a lot younger than your years. But you seem so fragile in your posts. Perhaps love would give you strength. I was in love once and painted the best painting I ever did. Out of love and the quality faded. The British painter John Constable did all of his great work before his beloved wife died, after which he faded. Love is risk and love is glory. Those tears may form and fall.

I am fragile, PMS. I'm an incomplete person, deeply flawed. I had an incredibly difficult childhood, adolescence, and early adulthood.
However, I blame no one.

Updike was a wondrous author, and I mourn him. (My undergrad degree is in English/American Lit.)

I've just written a novel as good as, say, the worst of his, but it will never see the light of day because I'm not connected. Huge barriers have been constructed to keep me and the rest of the rabble OUT. Something about your post made me think of the music to "You Only Live Twice," an awful movie with one of the finest theme songs ever written:
You only live twice,
Or so it seems.
One life for yourself,
And one for your dreams.
You drift through the years
And life seems tame,
Till one dream appears,
And love is its name.

And love is a stranger
Who'll beckon you on.
Don't think of the danger,
Or the stranger is gone.

This dream is for you,
So pay the price.
Make one dream come true,
You only live twice.


This is the sort of philosophy that inspires me to desperate, dangerous options like a wife-hunting trip to the Ukraine or Thailand. What the hell, go for broke.

Another wonderful theme song I think of often is the one to "Days of Wine and Roses" (a fragment):
They are not long,
Our days of wine and roses;
Out of a misty dream our path emerges
For a day,
Then closes
Within a dream
etc.

The second "dream" is symbolic of death, I believe. I'm proud of you PMS, for hanging in there the way you do despite your disabilities. You're tough in the ultimate, yet least unsung, way.
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Re: Best countries for buying a wife

Unread postby outcast » Sat 31 Jan 2009, 21:36:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he question you raise is a chicken-or-egg one. Which comes first? I feel that many of the difficulties between the sexes derive from the social breakdown that modern civilization has promoted.
You're problem seems to be you want them to be docile and submissive to your every whim, which is really so 19th century. You have once again proven why their mistrust of men is justified.
You have no idea of what I want, or who I am.

I think I've got a pretty good idea. You do have some big misconceptions about some things, particularly about society, both past and present.
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Re: Best countries for buying a wife

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sat 31 Jan 2009, 21:54:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'I')'m proud of you PMS, for hanging in there the way you do despite your disabilities. You're tough in the ultimate, yet least unsung, way.

Kind of you to say that, thank you. Yeah, viral pre-natal auditory nerve damage sucks. It's strange, but ever since I can remember it's been the land and the trees and rocks and wind that make me glad. Every day it helps. That's why I love John Constable's paintings. Anyway, if you go through with this plan of yours, best wishes for success. btw, Paul Cezanne was messed up too, extremely shy and neurotic, but he turned it into something grand.
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Re: Best countries for buying a wife

Unread postby JJ » Sat 31 Jan 2009, 22:03:26

Heinekin, everyone, EVERYONE I KNEW, made fun of me when I met my wife (she was in Singapore, I was on my way to Russia). Fifteen years later, with the exception of one couple we know, ours is the only surviving marriage (and it has thus far been a good one). So do whatever you do, but take everyones else's opinion with a grain of salt. Bing quit her contract in Singapore and I flew to the Philippines to meet her parents; (in Mindanao) and all my friends told me I would be beheaded, etc. Only one, who had been there, told me the truth. And so far, I've not been beheaded... :)
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Re: Best countries for buying a wife

Unread postby Tanada » Sat 31 Jan 2009, 22:30:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'I')'ve just written a novel as good as, say, the worst of his, but it will never see the light of day because I'm not connected. Huge barriers have been constructed to keep me and the rest of the rabble OUT.
This is the sort of philosophy that inspires me to desperate, dangerous options like a wife-hunting trip to the Ukraine or Thailand. What the hell, go for broke.

If you are at all serious Heine PM me, I might be able to point you at a couple option's to self publish that actually work. I can also say, if you actually have a completed manuscript you should hire an agent to shop it for you, they know the right people in the right places to make it happen.

For example have you heard of Daemon by Daniel Suarez? He self published his book, it became a viral hit and now the rights have been bought by Dutton and it is out in hardcover. Remember Publishers are in it for the money, if they think they can sell 10,000 copies of your book it is a money maker for them to publish it.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('From Publishers Weekly', 'S')tarred Review. Originally self-published, Suarez's riveting debut would be a perfect gift for a favorite computer geek or anyone who appreciates thrills, chills and cyber suspense. Gaming genius Matthew Sobol, the 34-year-old head of CyberStorm Entertainment, has just died of brain cancer, but death doesn't stop him from initiating an all-out Internet war against humanity. When the authorities investigate Sobol's mansion in Thousand Oaks, Calif., they find themselves under attack from his empty house, aided by an unmanned Hummer that tears into the cops with staggering ferocity. Sobol's weapon is a daemon, a kind of computer process that not only has taken over many of the world's computer systems but also enlists the help of superintelligent human henchmen willing to carry out his diabolical plan. Complicated jargon abounds, but most complexities are reasonably explained. A final twist that runs counter to expectations will leave readers anxiously awaiting the promised sequel. (Jan.) Copyright © Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.

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Re: Best countries for buying a wife

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sat 31 Jan 2009, 22:56:42

There you go, Heine, that's your option. Could you maybe post a few pages so we can get a feel for it? A successful author has got good prospects to get a hot wife! :-D
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Re: Best countries for buying a wife

Unread postby Hawkcreek » Sun 01 Feb 2009, 00:10:13

One thing I do know about the cost of women. Divorce is expensive but it is worth every F**k*ng penny of it.
In case you can't tell, I am going through my second divorce right now, and I can't understand why anyone would want one of those things on a full time basis. Cheaper to rent.
You know the off grid homestead I used to have....
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Re: Best countries for buying a wife

Unread postby Olaf » Sun 01 Feb 2009, 08:00:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Auntie_Cipation', 'O')ne of my perennial questions: "How does a hermit find another hermit?"


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Re: Best countries for buying a wife

Unread postby Heineken » Sun 01 Feb 2009, 10:50:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he question you raise is a chicken-or-egg one. Which comes first? I feel that many of the difficulties between the sexes derive from the social breakdown that modern civilization has promoted.
You're problem seems to be you want them to be docile and submissive to your every whim, which is really so 19th century. You have once again proven why their mistrust of men is justified.
You have no idea of what I want, or who I am.

I think I've got a pretty good idea. You do have some big misconceptions about some things, particularly about society, both past and present.


I think you just don't like me, and that colors your perceptions and conclusions about me.
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Re: Best countries for buying a wife

Unread postby Heineken » Sun 01 Feb 2009, 11:00:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'I')'ve just written a novel as good as, say, the worst of his, but it will never see the light of day because I'm not connected. Huge barriers have been constructed to keep me and the rest of the rabble OUT.
This is the sort of philosophy that inspires me to desperate, dangerous options like a wife-hunting trip to the Ukraine or Thailand. What the hell, go for broke.

If you are at all serious Heine PM me, I might be able to point you at a couple option's to self publish that actually work. I can also say, if you actually have a completed manuscript you should hire an agent to shop it for you, they know the right people in the right places to make it happen.

For example have you heard of Daemon by Daniel Suarez? He self published his book, it became a viral hit and now the rights have been bought by Dutton and it is out in hardcover. Remember Publishers are in it for the money, if they think they can sell 10,000 copies of your book it is a money maker for them to publish it.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('From Publishers Weekly', 'S')tarred Review. Originally self-published, Suarez's riveting debut would be a perfect gift for a favorite computer geek or anyone who appreciates thrills, chills and cyber suspense. Gaming genius Matthew Sobol, the 34-year-old head of CyberStorm Entertainment, has just died of brain cancer, but death doesn't stop him from initiating an all-out Internet war against humanity. When the authorities investigate Sobol's mansion in Thousand Oaks, Calif., they find themselves under attack from his empty house, aided by an unmanned Hummer that tears into the cops with staggering ferocity. Sobol's weapon is a daemon, a kind of computer process that not only has taken over many of the world's computer systems but also enlists the help of superintelligent human henchmen willing to carry out his diabolical plan. Complicated jargon abounds, but most complexities are reasonably explained. A final twist that runs counter to expectations will leave readers anxiously awaiting the promised sequel. (Jan.) Copyright © Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.

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Thanks Tanada. You're one of the many nice people here I count as a friend---and a darned smart one.

I'm just now beginning to face the matter of trying to publish my novel.

One thing I've learned is that no legitimate agent EVER asks for any money up front. They take a percentage (10-15%) of the book deal they negotiate with the publisher.

About 75% of agents are either crooks or incompetents. There's an association that supposedly represents the legit ones.

Also, any manuscripts sent directly by authors to publishers go straight into the shredder, unread.

The standard procedure is to write a summary (like a jacket blurb) and a short accompanying letter and submit it to agents. Then they get back to you if they want to read and hear more.

Self-publication and/or online publication would be a last resort for me. I'll consider it if and when I give up on the conventional route, which I see as the preferred route but also the one with the smallest chance of success.

Perhaps a thread on how to publish a book would be of interest to some members. I may start one.
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Re: Best countries for buying a wife

Unread postby Heineken » Sun 01 Feb 2009, 11:05:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'T')here you go, Heine, that's your option. Could you maybe post a few pages so we can get a feel for it? A successful author has got good prospects to get a hot wife! :-D


I'll do this later, PMS, if my publication effort fails.

Naturally I'm nervous about uncontrolled dissemination of the title and idea.
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Re: Best countries for buying a wife

Unread postby outcast » Sun 01 Feb 2009, 11:41:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he question you raise is a chicken-or-egg one. Which comes first? I feel that many of the difficulties between the sexes derive from the social breakdown that modern civilization has promoted.
You're problem seems to be you want them to be docile and submissive to your every whim, which is really so 19th century. You have once again proven why their mistrust of men is justified.
You have no idea of what I want, or who I am.

I think I've got a pretty good idea. You do have some big misconceptions about some things, particularly about society, both past and present.


I think you just don't like me, and that colors your perceptions and conclusions about me.

No, that is not it at all. Believe it or not, before I actually did have respect for you, but this thread destroyed it. Why? The topic title and the contents of your first post tell me quite a lot about you, that you are so desperate that you would resort to purchasing a person for companionship. Also your post about how your problems dealing with the opposite gender are the fault of industrialization tells me the real reason why you want our society to fail, because you need it to happen to justify yourself. If our society doesn't fail, then you're lost.
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Re: Best countries for buying a wife

Unread postby davep » Sun 01 Feb 2009, 16:46:45

I'll give my advice, for what it's worth.

People have spoken about the female character. All I can say is that I married an Italian, and we've been together for 17 years. Culturally, they are totally different to English women. She expects me to be the leader, the alpha male, and I wasn't used to that with English (or French, Brittany) women. So, when people talk about using a woman, it goes both ways. A lot of women want a man who can look after them. It just depends on their upbringing.

On another note, my stepson met a girlfriend in Switzerland through the web. They had a kid, and he ended up leaving her because of her manipulative character. She was the daughter of a multi-millionaire (bang goes my pension...). But he has recently met another girl who is massively entrepreneurial (btw, my stepson is a very good looking Italian!) and they get on great. Basically, I suggest you join a social networking site and go for it. It worked for my stepson (well, at least his child will be rich!).
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Re: Best countries for buying a wife

Unread postby davep » Sun 01 Feb 2009, 16:50:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he question you raise is a chicken-or-egg one. Which comes first? I feel that many of the difficulties between the sexes derive from the social breakdown that modern civilization has promoted.
You're problem seems to be you want them to be docile and submissive to your every whim, which is really so 19th century. You have once again proven why their mistrust of men is justified.
You have no idea of what I want, or who I am.
I think I've got a pretty good idea. You do have some big misconceptions about some things, particularly about society, both past and present.
I think you just don't like me, and that colors your perceptions and conclusions about me.No, that is not it at all. Believe it or not, before I actually did have respect for you, but this thread destroyed it. Why? The topic title and the contents of your first post tell me quite a lot about you, that you are so desperate that you would resort to purchasing a person for companionship. Also your post about how your problems dealing with the opposite gender are the fault of industrialization tells me the real reason why you want our society to fail, because you need it to happen to justify yourself. If our society doesn't fail, then you're lost.
I had the opposite reaction. I was impressed that heineken could be so honest. Purchasing tends to have an exchange. Therefore, he isn't the only winner. It would be a lot better than the green card lottery.
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Re: Best countries for buying a wife

Unread postby Madpaddy » Sun 01 Feb 2009, 17:04:50

A woman awakes during the night to find that her husband was not in their bed. She puts on her robe and goes downstairs to look for him.

She finds him sitting at the kitchen table with a cup of coffee in front of him. He appears deep in thought, just staring at the wall. She watches as he wipes a tear from his eye and takes a sip of coffee. "What's the matter, dear?" she whispers as she steps into the room, "Why are you down here at this time of night?"

"Do you remember when I met you and you were only 16?" he asks solemnly. The wife is touched to tears thinking that her husband is so caring and sensitive. "Yes, I do" she replies.

The husband pauses. The words are not coming easily. "Do you remember when your father caught us in the back seat of my car, making love?" "Yes, I remember" says the wife, lowering herself into a chair beside him. The husband continues... "Do you remember when he shoved a shotgun in my face and said, "Either you marry my daughter, or I will send you to jail for 20 years?'" "I remember that too" she replies softly. He wipes another tear from his cheek and says..."I would have gotten out today."
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Re: Best countries for buying a wife

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 01 Feb 2009, 17:11:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'I') think you just don't like me, and that colors your perceptions and conclusions about me.
No, that is not it at all. Believe it or not, before I actually did have respect for you, but this thread destroyed it. Why? The topic title and the contents of your first post tell me quite a lot about you, that you are so desperate that you would resort to purchasing a person for companionship. Also your post about how your problems dealing with the opposite gender are the fault of industrialization tells me the real reason why you want our society to fail, because you need it to happen to justify yourself. If our society doesn't fail, then you're lost.
I had the opposite reaction. I was impressed that heineken could be so honest. Purchasing tends to have an exchange. Therefore, he isn't the only winner. It would be a lot better than the green card lottery.

The whole idea that you can "purchase" a wife is farked up. A marriage consisting of an exchange of money for company, cooking and sexual favors is just a glorified service contract with a prostitute-servant.
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Re: Best countries for buying a wife

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 01 Feb 2009, 17:12:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', ' ')A lot of women want a man who can look after them.
Sounds like you've done well in the mate lottery department, dave. I recall reading somewhere that Russian women expect to be slapped around a bit; a man isn't a man unless he slaps his woman around or something like that. Ghastly as that sounds to us, it shows that the world is a strange place and that sexual dynamics are a foreign land wherever we live. Who knows anything? Freud? Pshaw, he confessed that he didn't have a clue. You ever see that movie A History Of Violence? When the wife saw her husband as a gentle man she played the cutesy cheerleader to arouse him. When she found out he was a killer she got her rocks off with contempt and anger and intense emotion that was real.
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Re: Best countries for buying a wife

Unread postby davep » Sun 01 Feb 2009, 17:21:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'I') had the opposite reaction. I was impressed that heineken could be so honest. Purchasing tends to have an exchange. Therefore, he isn't the only winner. It would be a lot better than the green card lottery.
The whole idea that you can "purchase" a wife is farked up. A marriage consisting of an exchange of money for company, cooking and sexual favors is just a glorified service contract with a prostitute-servant.

Well, you need to perhaps grow up and understand the dynamics of relationships. I didn't write them... :roll:
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Re: Best countries for buying a wife

Unread postby Madpaddy » Sun 01 Feb 2009, 17:23:16

Heine, heres some guidance.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hree men were sitting together bragging about how they had set their new wives straight on their domestic duties. The first man had married a woman from Italy and boasted that he had told his wife she was to do all the dishes and house cleaning that needed to be done. He said that it took a couple days but on the third day he came home to a clean house and the dishes were all washed and put away.

The second man had married a woman from France. He bragged that he had given his wife orders that she was to do all the cleaning, all the dishes, and the cooking. He told them that the first day he didn't see any results, but the next day it was better. By the third day, his house was clean, the dishes were done, and he had a delicious dinner on the. table.

The third man had married an Irish girl. He boasted that he told her his house was to be cleaned, the dishes washed, the cooking done and the laundry washed. And this was all entirely her responsibility. He said the first day he didn't see anything and the second day he didn't see anything, but by the third day some of the swelling had gone down so he could see a little out of his left eye!
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Re: Best countries for buying a wife

Unread postby davep » Sun 01 Feb 2009, 17:25:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', ' ')A lot of women want a man who can look after them.
Sounds like you've done well in the mate lottery department, dave. I recall reading somewhere that Russian women expect to be slapped around a bit; a man isn't a man unless he slaps his woman around or something like that. Ghastly as that sounds to us, it shows that the world is a strange place and that sexual dynamics are a foreign land wherever we live. Who knows anything? Freud? Pshaw, he confessed that he didn't have a clue. You ever see that movie A History Of Violence? When the wife saw her husband as a gentle man she played the cutesy cheerleader to arouse him. When she found out he was a killer she got her rocks off with contempt and anger and intense emotion that was real.


That's reality. My wife was in a relationship with a north african muslim prior to us meeting. They have a saying 'If you don't know why you hit your woman, don't worry, she does.'

So you can understand the macho past I have to deal with. I don't assume it, and she has grown as an individual since we've been together. But there are definite cultural differences that women assume depending on their upbringing.
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