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Re: atomic "memory" or "code" theory of

Unread postby seahorse2 » Mon 02 Apr 2007, 16:10:35

More evidence supporting the atomic code or memory theory of evolution - scientists in India believe that atoms store, forever, the sounds of voices in rooms.


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Re: atomic "memory" or "code" theory of

Unread postby grabby » Tue 03 Apr 2007, 00:51:21

pretty goofy.

mathematically all atoms are identical or they couldn't fulfill schroedingers equation.

also the amount of detail would be smaller than the heisenburgs uncertainty principle so the memory would be useless anyway.
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Re: atomic "memory" or "code" theory of

Unread postby seahorse2 » Fri 11 Apr 2008, 17:38:25

In my analogy that the universe is a big computer program, I find this article interesting that "black holes" are being found in the internet.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Internet Full of 'Black Holes'

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LiveScience.com Fri Apr 11, 12:15 PM ET

You're pounding the keyboard, double-clicking away, sighing and grumbling, but to no avail: That devilish little hourglass icon refuses to give way to the Web site you're trying to reach. Most Internet users have encountered trouble reaching online destinations, but they often attribute the problem to their wireless network cutting out or a server momentarily going down.
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Sometimes, though, the problem is more mysterious. At any given moment, messages throughout the world are lost to cyber black holes, according to new computer science research.

Ethan Katz-Bassett, a graduate student in computer science at the University of Washington, and his advisor, Arvind Krishnamurthy, designed a program to continuously search for these strange internet gaps, when a request to visit a Web site or an outgoing e-mail gets lost along a pathway that was known to be working before. To make sure the black holes they detect are not simply due to a problem with the end user or the host server, they look for computers that can be reached from some, but not all, of the Internet, meaning the issue must be occurring en route.

"We were astounded when we did an initial four-month study and we saw how many problems there were," Katz-Bassett told LiveScience. "It seemed infeasible that this could be happening so often. They're definitely more common than we thought."

Now the team constantly monitors the Web for black holes and posts a map of where the problems are around the world at any given moment. They hope their data will help Internet service providers track down the route of problems experienced on their networks.

"Network administers are definitely interested in it," Katz-Bassett said. "I think we need to do more analysis of the data and see where exactly these problems are occurring. It would be interesting to come up with predictions about where problems were most likely to occur."

The scientists named their monitoring system Hubble after the Hubble Space Telescope, which can also detect black holes, albeit the astrophysical kind. They hope their data will help improve the consistency of the Internet, where we increasingly entrust vital information.

"I think we would like it to be more reliable," Katz-Bassett said. "It's orders of magnitude less reliable than the telephone network right now. I think it should be pretty possible to get it closer."

The researchers will present their findings at the Usenix Symposium on Networked Systems Design and Implementation being held next week in San Francisco. The project was funded by the National Science Foundation.



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The more we learn about computers, programs, and expand that out to the net, the more similar it seems to be like our universe, including evolution.
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Re: atomic "memory" or "code" theory of

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 11 Apr 2008, 19:17:05

It's nice to see this old discussion again, Seahorse. I'm glad it hasn't gone down any black holes yet. Reading this reminds me of the last book I read on evolution that got me to thinking there was more to evolution and DNA than current theory allows. Who knows, maybe there are amazing discoveries about atoms and that level of existence that are yet to be unraveled. Its an interesting synchronicity that I posted a new thread about evolution without having seen this. 8O
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Re: atomic "memory" or "code" theory of

Unread postby seahorse » Fri 11 Apr 2008, 19:29:54

I think some people took this thread as an attack on evolution, as if I was trying to argue some type of "intelligent design" which I have not intended at all. I'm simply trying to understand atoms, why they form, etc and have found common sense analogies with what we are learning about computers, how they store info, transfer it, etc.
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Re: atomic "memory" or "code" theory of

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 11 Apr 2008, 19:48:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse', 'I') think some people took this thread as an attack on evolution, as if I was trying to argue some type of "intelligent design" which I have not intended at all.
No, of course. Neither was I but it took me five pages to try to convince blisteredwhippet otherwise. There is a known tendency for science to form conventional paradigms. The Piltdown Man controversy is an excellent historical example of this. Progress is made against resistance. We can't reach God through science but we can refine our understanding of the universe. Unfortunately, I think that the scientists, modern equivalents of ancient scribes and keepers of knowledge are every bit as dependent on the health of the societies they live in as they ever were. Most of them just don't know it. How many physicists or paleontologists really get that their comfortable world of research and intellectual inquiry depends on nothing more than roughnecks putting metal straws in the ground to pull out something to burn?
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Re: atomic

Unread postby seahorse3 » Sat 25 Apr 2015, 14:31:19

This young MIT physicist is being given credit for a "generational leap" in physics theory, that if you put light on atoms, and you get life. The same question I asked here so many years ago.

https://www.quantamagazine.org/20140122-a-new-physics-theory-of-life/

Now, I think this young guy plagiarized the theory without giving proper credit, for not only is the old 2007 discussion proof of the idea, but I wrote an essay and copyrighted it in 2007. If you read the last paragraph of the essay, you will see essentially the same idea that if you throw light on atoms and you get life.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')tomic Memory or Code theory for the Evolution of DNA on Earth.

Type of Work:
Text

Registration Number / Date:
TXu001625307 / 2009-02-11

Application Title:
Atomic Memory or Code theory for the Evolution of DNA on Earth.

Title:
Atomic Memory or Code theory for the Evolution of DNA on Earth.

Description:
Electronic Deposit.

Copyright Claimant:
Christopher Lisle. Address: 1458 Plaza Place, Springdale, AR, 72764.

Date of Creation:
2007

Authorship on Application:
Christopher Lisle; Domicile: United States; Citizenship: United States. Authorship: text.


In 2012, I submitted the essay to an on-line physics "contest" and it was allowed in for discussion and discussed here:

http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/1439

So this guy coming up with his new game changing theory in 2014? MMMM, maybe they need to ask him where the thought originated - and I would say right here in 2007 on PO.com
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