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As Rome Burns....

Unread postby AlexdeLarge » Tue 20 Oct 2009, 10:24:30

Obama fiddles.

Obamas big on White House gigs
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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ASHINGTON — Michelle and Barack Obama sat one table over from J. Lo and Marc Anthony, and all four of them were rocking in their seats as Sheila E. shook the house — well, really the tent.

The latest installment of the White House music series was too big for the East Room, so a high-wattage assortment of Latin musicians sent pulsating, can't-help-but-bob-along rhythms tumbling out of a giant tent on the mansion's South Lawn.


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Re: As Rome Burns....

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Tue 20 Oct 2009, 10:29:48

LOL! And you want what? The guy is supposed to sit around 24 hours a day trying to look somber? It's a recession/depression, not a wake.
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Unread postby AlexdeLarge » Tue 20 Oct 2009, 10:44:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'L')OL! And you want what? The guy is supposed to sit around 24 hours a day trying to look somber? It's a recession/depression, not a wake.


This is a good thing! While Obama is up late getting jiggy and stoned with 50 Cent, it slows him from destroying whats left of the economy. ;)
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Unread postby flapjax » Tue 20 Oct 2009, 10:48:10

OMG black folk and latinos are bob'n-n-weave'n to the rhythm of music at the White House? Was this the 'Hope-N-Change' I was hoping for?? Hell yeah!! :lol: Nice post, Alex. It feels good to gyrate your hips a little once and a while. Especially when you got all that blackness going on down there.
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Re: As Rome Burns....

Unread postby basil_hayden » Tue 20 Oct 2009, 11:16:14

If I remember correctly, there was a thread on this website a few years ago with the exact same title documenting Bush cutting brush at his ranch while some other major event was occurring.

It wouldn't be my first choice, but this appears better than trimming brush on the ranch in Crawford.

At least Obama shows up for work more than 80 days a year; GW was a bum, and his followers (ahem, Alex) are intellectually lazy as well as having a very short memory.

I support neither and think they're both tools. It's the alternating policies that will bring the US to its knees soon.
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Unread postby AgentR » Tue 20 Oct 2009, 11:38:15

I'll counterpoint on this, I think it is a good thing for Obama Corp to be recreating as they see fit; just as I thought it was a good thing for Bush Corp to recreate as they saw fit.

I do get a kick out of the two-faced nature of some who thought it was horror and villainy for Bush Corp to recreate on a ranch, but rejoice to the heavens that Obama Corp is recreating on the White House lawn. A symptom of the American illness, that its more important to discern whether the perpetrator is on your team, than it is to discern what the perpetrator is doing.
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Unread postby dinopello » Tue 20 Oct 2009, 11:56:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', 'A') symptom of the American illness, that its more important to discern whether the perpetrator is on your team, than it is to discern what the perpetrator is doing.


I agree, that is a problem in general.

In this case, the OP at once seems to be critical that the prez is listening to music and watching dance and then praises him for doing nothing rather than messing with the economy so it is a bit confusing what his point is.

Bush was compared to Nero during Katrina. The "nobody could have anticipated this" kind of ignorance and was mostly criticized (by those that were critical) for not doing enough, fast enough at the Federal level, while others had/have the opinion that the correct Federal response to a natural disaster is to do nothing. It was all about what he was or was not doing and I think that is a legitimate debate on natural disasters or (now) on the economy.
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Unread postby basil_hayden » Tue 20 Oct 2009, 13:31:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', 'I')'ll counterpoint on this, I think it is a good thing for Obama Corp to be recreating as they see fit; just as I thought it was a good thing for Bush Corp to recreate as they saw fit.

I do get a kick out of the two-faced nature of some who thought it was horror and villainy for Bush Corp to recreate on a ranch, but rejoice to the heavens that Obama Corp is recreating on the White House lawn. A symptom of the American illness, that its more important to discern whether the perpetrator is on your team, than it is to discern what the perpetrator is doing.



In case you can't tell the difference, one type of recreation is at least keeping a few employed. And as I stated, I don't have a horse in this race.
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Unread postby AgentR » Tue 20 Oct 2009, 13:33:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('basil_hayden', 'I')n case you can't tell the difference, one type of recreation is at least keeping a few employed. And as I stated, I don't have a horse in this race.


Both kept a few employed, just via different means.
Seeing as how you feel the need to characterize one as useful or appropriate, and another as not so much, I think you may have picked a horse, but just haven't closed the deal in your mind yet.
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Re: As Rome Burns....

Unread postby AgentR » Tue 20 Oct 2009, 13:46:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'B')ush was compared to Nero during Katrina. The "nobody could have anticipated this" kind of ignorance and was mostly criticized (by those that were critical) for not doing enough, fast enough at the Federal level, while others had/have the opinion that the correct Federal response to a natural disaster is to do nothing. It was all about what he was or was not doing and I think that is a legitimate debate on natural disasters or (now) on the economy.


My point is that the legitimate part of the argument; in this example, ie, what, if anything should the federal government do in response to natural forces performing reclamation on a city that should have been abandoned decades ago; gets overwhelmed by the personality hatred or loyalty towards whoever happens to be in office. Bush chose X; I hate Bush, thus X must be evil or incompetent, or both. That people who promote the AGW cause were also in the line saying "OMG we must rebuild NEW ORLEANS!" really illustrates this point.

Now, some natural disasters do have a reasonable response from the federal government, I'm not an advocate of traditional federalism; but sometimes the correct immediate response is minimal with only focus on mobilizing resources to prevent loss of life.

To be fair thus, I think Bush was a coward for not tackling the issue directly and openly; just as I think Obama is a coward for not openly championing a real National Health Service for the United States. That they both chose to enjoy some recreation during what appear to be heated moments is neither immoral nor inappropriate. It is human.
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Unread postby AgentR » Tue 20 Oct 2009, 22:34:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'T')wo-faced. Nothing two faced here. GW was a phony cowboy with a phony ten-gallon hat and a phony pickup. But his guns were very big and very real.

Obama is just a man doing the best he can.


I thought we were talking about recreation, some people like wandering around on dude ranches for entertainment, not that I see the attraction myself; but its none the less exactly comparable; two guys enjoying a bit of entertainment in the midst of tense decisions.
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Re: As Rome Burns....

Unread postby eastbay » Tue 20 Oct 2009, 23:38:02

I thought the 1/2 billion dollars wasted on a party was excessive and reminiscent of Rome burning. Raising the US troop level to 100,000 occupation forces in Afghanistan is reminiscent of Rome burning as well.

Listening to music in the White House is most certainly not. Give the guy a break here.

But not on his wild displays of utter madness.
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Re: As Rome Burns....

Unread postby mos6507 » Wed 21 Oct 2009, 10:25:25

Eastbay, is it possible for you to post on peakoil.com without mentioning afghanistan?

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Unread postby mcgowanjm » Wed 21 Oct 2009, 10:33:42

As Afghanistan was THE first War -STILL ongoing- in the
War FOR Resources, why NOT mention Afghanistan in every post?

Or GOLDMAN SACHS:


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '<')/div>“Come on in,” a buoyant Paulson said as he greeted everyone, shaking hands and giving bear hugs to some.

For the next hour, Paulson regaled his old friends with stories about his time in Treasury and his prognostications about the economy. They questioned him about the possibility of another bank blowing up, like Lehman, and he talked about the need for the government to have the power to wind down troubled firms, offering a preview of his upcoming speech.

Felix Salmon has the appropriate reaction:

How on earth did Paulson think this was OK? Goldman Sachs was a hugely powerful for-profit investment bank, and there he is, giving private chapter and verse on his opinions about the US and global economy, talking about internal Treasury matters, and previewing an upcoming (and surely market-moving) speech. All in secret, at a “social event” which somehow got kept off his official calendar. Oh, yes, and one other thing — the whole shebang took place in the Moscow Marriott Grand Hotel, in the context of Goldman directors joking about how all the Moscow hotels were surely bugged.[/quote]


Hank Paulson Held A Secret Meeting With Goldman Sachs In Moscow
October 21st, 2009

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Re: As Rome Burns....

Unread postby eastbay » Wed 21 Oct 2009, 11:19:37

Afghanistan is the premier signal that the empire is cracking. It was among the British empire's final gasps of imperialism, it marked the final breath of the USSR, and future history books may very well mark this disaster as the end of the American Empire too.

Much like fiddling during the inferno, the American public is strangely silent on this and other deadly US military transgressions worldwide. In fact, the American public demanded by a greater than 98% margin the pouring of more gas on the Afghanistan inferno while 'fiddling' mindlessly with pro sports, pop music, and screaming about relatively irrelevant minor social issues.

Afghanistan is the sign that the USA is dying. This should be clear to all.
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Unread postby mos6507 » Wed 21 Oct 2009, 12:09:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '
')Afghanistan is the sign that the USA is dying.


Isn't this what you want, anyway? Don't you want the US to go commie? Why try raising the alarm? And since people keep calling Obama a commie, and one of his campaign staffers had a cuban flag in her office, you should be embracing him. Let's make him into the next Stalin, complete with Stalinist bodycount.
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Unread postby eastbay » Wed 21 Oct 2009, 12:35:16

About half of the eligible Americans voted during the last presidential election. Those who bothered to vote had a fuzzy choice between choosing more war or ... more war. They selected .... surprise!: more war.

A recent Washington Post, ABC News poll revealed 47% of the American public endorse raising the US troop level to 100,000 in Afghanistan. That's about the same percentage of Americans who voted and chose the 'more war' candidates.

You see, the Americans truly want war. 98% of voters chose it over peace. They think senseless slaughter and meaningless military occupations are the path to happiness. Obama and his circle of advisers knows this which is precisely why he will send tens of thousands of additional soldiers into Afghanistan and threaten Iran until another war breaks out there. He and his advisors know the history. They know what they're doing. They see the crumbling going on around them and they have selected the 'let's fiddle' option. As have 98% of the US electorate.
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Unread postby mos6507 » Wed 21 Oct 2009, 12:36:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'A')bout half of the eligible Americans voted during the last presidential election. Those who bothered to vote had a fuzzy choice between choosing more war or ... more war. They selected .... surprise!: more war.


Then why are you complaining? That's democracy for you. Don't be a sore loser.
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Unread postby rangerone314 » Wed 21 Oct 2009, 12:40:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '
')Afghanistan is the sign that the USA is dying.


Isn't this what you want, anyway? Don't you want the US to go commie? Why try raising the alarm? And since people keep calling Obama a commie, and one of his campaign staffers had a cuban flag in her office, you should be embracing him. Let's make him into the next Stalin, complete with Stalinist bodycount.


I don't like commies, but a Stalinist bodycount wouldn't be a bad thing necessarily...
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