[seahorse2]

aBodi, Nice link on the Civilian Inmate Labor Program. Interesting that it went into effect just last year. The timing of all this Federal interest in inmates is interesting.

I have read some time ago about an exercise held in 1984 called the "Rex-84" involving internment of immigrants. Does anyone know anything more about this previous exercise? Sounds amazingly similar to the purposes for the detention facility that KBR was contracted to build. Keep in mind that all the neocons, Rummy, Cheney, etc, were all working in the Reagan administration also. So, this KBR contract to build a detention facility may be the culmination of a neocon generation of politicians, along with the formation of their group the PNAC.

[Dreamtwister]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse2', 'I') have read some time ago about an exercise held in 1984 called the "Rex-84" involving internment of immigrants. Does anyone know anything more about this previous exercise?

[seahorse]

Thanks Dreamtwister

[Dreamtwister]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse', 'T')hanks Dreamtwister

[seahorse]

Nik, You may be on to something. That link to the Civilian Labor Program, which is, the military using its bases to house prisoners, means lots of people could be confined instantly - no prisons to build.

The next big event? Who knows. With the Bin Laden tapes surfacing it could be another WMD. In fact, I started a "rumor control" thread on the current events passing along a rumor I heard on this subject from a police officer friend of mine, who says the DOD is in the Mexican/US border tunnels bc they suspect a WMD may have come across the border. I hate posting rumors, but it was interesting enough that I did.

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'N')ot much coal in Montana. We import it from Wyoming. The mining here is mostly hard rock mining. (i.e. metals.) Besides. You never know when we're going to be overrun by illegal immigrants from Canada.

[seahorse]

If KBR is contracted to build a prison, how long will it take to build and get operational? I tried to search for some statistics on the net, but couldn't find anything. Anyone else have any info on this? This information could give us some idea as to a timeline of events.

[Dreamtwister]

You won't find any statistics because it really depends on too many factors to attach a number. It all depends on the situation at hand.

But to put it into perspective, if you have a nice flat piece of land in an isolated location, you could drop a few dozen prefab bunkhouses and a perimeter fence in maybe 48 hours. Throw in a few dozen armed gaurds, and voila! Instant accomodation for 5 thousand inmates. If there's a pre-existing railway siding available, you could use retrofitted railway cars to hold even more people.

[seahorse]

I'm guessing here, but its likely that the KBR contract is to build a "detention facility" on an existing or old army base. In this way, they don't have to buy any land, no permits or approvals, no local oversight or regulatory compliance, and really, the location would remain virtually unknown. Further, it locating the KBR facility on an existing military base would work well with the Army regulation allowing the military to operate a "civilian labor program" using inmates already in federal custody.

[Dreamtwister]

That would make sense. So pull out ye olde map of military bases, locate the bases on or near a railway terminus or with a private runway, and located near sites where human labour will be required (like coal mines) and you have your camp locations.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse2', 'I') have read some time ago about an exercise held in 1984 called the "Rex-84" involving internment of immigrants. Does anyone know anything more about this previous exercise?

[Liamj]

If camps can be setup as quickly as suggested, theres every reason to leave it till actually going to be used, i'd think.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daculling', '.'). illegal immigrants ARE a problem. They are currently a burden on our roads, schools, police.... everything. Right now it's not a big problem though. Lots of people are profiting from the situation and you can argue that they are currently a larger benefit than burden (though I don't). If/when serious recession or depression hits the immigrants will be THE problem. Once they have no jobs and no one is profiting from their presence they will need to be "disposed of". I'm not even going to go into the crime problem 20 million starving immigrants will pose.

So why do you think that they stated that the reason they are building the camps is for a wave of immigration? I'll tell you... It's for the wave of immigrants that are already here.

[Daculling]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Liamj', 'Y')es, growing your food and building your houses. In energy descent, who is going to be the more useful citizens? Is there an excess of workers, or of eaters?

[Doly]

Voters didn't stop Nazi Germany from having concentration camps, did they?

[PrairieMule]

Great discussion, I have been reading about american concentration camps for years. Very high on the hocus pocus factor. There use to be a clickable map on the internet that showed old military bases and such that could be easily converted into camps under the FEMA hat state by state. Use to be easy to find before but now I seem to hit the firewall on every site or site has been disabled.

I wouldn't worry so much about the civil labor as much as what the Hanjin boxcars coming over fron China and Japan are outfitted with. Very hocus pocus, and they are not for immegrants.

[Kickinthegob]

Camps Here is a list of camps and locations I found while surfing around - it's huge! An map overlay would be nice. Seems most are run by FEMA. Whoever put the list together had this to say
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here are many other locations not listed above that are worthy of consideration as a possible detention camp site, but due to space limitations and the time needed to verify, could not be included here.
The camps all have railroad facilities as well as roads leading to and from the detention facilities. Many also have an airport nearby. The majority of the camps can house a population of 20,000 prisoners. Currently, the largest of these facilities is just outside of Fairbanks, Alaska. The Alaskan facility is a massive mental health facility and can hold approximately 2 million people.

[seahorse2]

I emailed my two senators asking them to provide me with a copy of the KBR contract to build a detention facility. I emailed two days ago. No reply so far. If I have to, I may file an FOI request.

I would ask that anyone else that is interested to please email your local senators or congressmen. The KBR contract should provide the obvious details about the facility that we don't have and also its location. I suspect the location to be in Texas, since the KBR announcement said it was approved by the Corp of Engineers in Texas if I remember right.

[UIUCstudent01]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse2', 'I') emailed my two senators asking them to provide me with a copy of the KBR contract to build a detention facility. I emailed two days ago. No reply so far. If I have to, I may file an FOI request.

[eric_b]

If you want to trip-out on some creepy conspiracy theory sh*t, check out this google video: video Supposedly is covertly taken footage of some sort of camp being built in a huge abandoned Amtrak facility in Beachgrove Indiana. Check it out... best part is when the black helicoptor flies overhead.

Multiple layers of fencing, giant turnstils, helicoptor windsocks, a communication tower and military vehicles. Like something out of an x-files episode.
Camps

[seahorse2]

Former Congressman warns of detention facilities: PO topic