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America Wins in Petrol Consumption per Day

Unread postby TheDude » Sat 19 Jan 2008, 12:13:35

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Re: America Wins in Petrol Consumption per Day

Unread postby Denny » Sat 19 Jan 2008, 12:28:05

I am surprised at how relatively little is used in China and Russia. It looks dubious to me, just on that aspect.

If its true, it really shows that America has a lot of potential to reduce petroleum use and still live pretty well.
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Re: America Wins in Petrol Consumption per Day

Unread postby Twilight » Sat 19 Jan 2008, 13:24:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Denny', 'I') am surprised at how relatively little is used in China and Russia. It looks dubious to me, just on that aspect.

Not surprising at all, the extremes of wealth are conspicuous, you have to remind yourself that the average is dragged to the low end.
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Re: America Wins in Petrol Consumption per Day

Unread postby frankthetank » Sat 19 Jan 2008, 13:51:06

We win. America is number 1 again.
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Re: America Wins in Petrol Consumption per Day

Unread postby pup55 » Sat 19 Jan 2008, 15:54:30

I'm doing my part.

(edited to remove tasteless wisecrack and keep this thread serious)

Here is an inventory of the petrol eating devices around my house:

3 passenger vehicles
1 small pickup truck
2 weed whackers
2 riding lawn mowers
2 motor boats
2 motorcycles
1 chainsaw

13 total

(Edited again)

in fact, here is an estimate of our family fuel use:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')iles/yr MPG gal/yr
Car 8500 28 304
Car 8500 22 386
Car 10000 22 455
Car 12500 26 481
boats 12 7 84
mc 12 12 gal/yr family
ww/lm 10 10 gal/yr family
cs 1 1
1732 gal/yr family
433 gal per person
1732 liters per person
4.75 liters/day


Keep in mind that at our place, we have four drivers, all of which drive to jobs, etc. so this is probably an extreme case. A few years ago, when the kids were little, maybe less than that.

If oilmageddon hits, and we have to cut back to "essential" driving and park the toys and weed whackers, I estimate we can cut this down to 2-3 liters per person per day, and still have everyone keep their jobs.

If we all got hybrids, that got 45 mpg, it would bring us down to 1.12 l/d.

The problem is that we live in suburbia, there is no other way to get to work without driving. If it got really really bad, I would move within biking distance of the job and let the rest of the family get jobs closer to home, and we might be able to get down to less than the national average.

So this amount of driving is pretty structural within the US, and with an occasional exception (the boating) we do not go around needlessly cruising the strip for fun, like we did during the 70's.

This is pretty much why I say that until unemployment gets pretty high, the US will still continue to burn just almost as much gas as we ever did, even if there is a recession.
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Re: America Wins in Petrol Consumption per Day

Unread postby Nicholai » Sat 19 Jan 2008, 17:07:08

I'd have to call some inaccuracies to the graph off the bat. In 2005 China increased its energy demand by 20% alone.
This is likely a bit more accurate, from the CIA word factbook.

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Re: America Wins in Petrol Consumption per Day

Unread postby LoneSnark » Sat 19 Jan 2008, 17:16:51

The united states is #17 in per-capita oil consumption.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ene_o ... per-capita
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Re: America Wins in Petrol Consumption per Day

Unread postby namenick » Sat 19 Jan 2008, 17:19:45

To me there are two things surprising about that graph. One is that some Americans seem to be surprised and the other is that Canadians don't appear to use as much per capita. Probably an easy second though.
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Re: America Wins in Petrol Consumption per Day

Unread postby kublikhan » Sat 19 Jan 2008, 19:19:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('namenick', 'T')o me there are two things surprising about that graph. One is that some Americans seem to be surprised and the other is that Canadians don't appear to use as much per capita. Probably an easy second though.

Not surprised, its just that that graph is wrong. Look to the links Lonesnark and Nicholai posted for more accurate info. Canada's per capita oil consumption is about the same as America's.
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Re: America Wins in Petrol Consumption per Day

Unread postby ohanian » Sat 19 Jan 2008, 19:26:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kublikhan', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('namenick', 'T')o me there are two things surprising about that graph. One is that some Americans seem to be surprised and the other is that Canadians don't appear to use as much per capita. Probably an easy second though.

Not surprised, its just that that graph is wrong. Look to the links Lonesnark and Nicholai posted for more accurate info. Canada's per capita oil consumption is about the same as America's.


No I think it is correct.

USA 20,730,000 per day

canada 2,294,000 per day

Ratio USA:canada is 9.03:1

check the ratio on the graph, it's about 10:1
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Re: America Wins in Petrol Consumption per Day

Unread postby DomusAlbion » Sat 19 Jan 2008, 20:00:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ohanian', 'U')SA 20,730,000 per day

canada 2,294,000 per day

Ratio USA:canada is 9.03:1

check the ratio on the graph, it's about 10:1


And the US population is how much bigger than Canada.

Oh yeah, ten times bigger.

Canada's per person consumption is equivalent to the US.
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Re: America Wins in Petrol Consumption per Day

Unread postby kublikhan » Sat 19 Jan 2008, 20:04:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ohanian', 'N')o I think it is correct.
USA 20,730,000 per day
canada 2,294,000 per day
Ratio USA:canada is 9.03:1
check the ratio on the graph, it's about 10:1
he said per capitia, not gross consumption. The per capita consumption of America is very close to Canada. Check out the link LoneSnark posted. if you're too lazy here are a few numbers:
Consumption (per capita) (most recent) by country:
Kuwait 133.703 bbl/day per 1,000 people
US 68.838 bbl/day per 1,000 people
Canada 68.703 bbl/day per 1,000 people
Japan 43.772 bbl/day per 1,000 people
The oil barrel is half-full.
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Re: America Wins in Petrol Consumption per Day

Unread postby mekrob » Sat 19 Jan 2008, 20:21:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')No I think it is correct.

USA 20,730,000 per day

canada 2,294,000 per day

Ratio USA:canada is 9.03:1

check the ratio on the graph, it's about 10:1


Guys, you're missing a key point. This is a graph about petrol consumption. Petrol, IIRC, refers exclusively to gasoline and not to oil. Looking at the numbers for example, it shows a little less than 1.4 billion liters of petrol for the US. 1,400,000,000 liters = 368,000,000 gallons = 8.77 million barrels which is right around where US gasoline consumption is.

Damn Brits and Canadians always messing with our beautiful language. Quit denigrating our language. Remember, America has invaded for less!
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Re: America Wins in Petrol Consumption per Day

Unread postby mekrob » Sat 19 Jan 2008, 20:24:04

What the hell is up with Turkey? Never knew they had taxes that high; or is it due to their supply being cut off and on (Iraq, I presume)?
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Re: America Wins in Petrol Consumption per Day

Unread postby Drake » Sat 19 Jan 2008, 22:45:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('LoneSnark', 'T')he united states is #17 in per-capita oil consumption.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ene_o ... per-capita


And every country ranked 1-16 is either an island which probably produces its electricity with oil, luxembourg where everyone from the france and germany border areas buys the fuel cause its cheaper or a middle east oil producer. Not exactly high benchmarks.
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Re: America Wins in Petrol Consumption per Day

Unread postby bodigami » Sat 19 Jan 2008, 23:11:45

in this graph: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ene_o ... onsumption

it's better to be near the end of the list... living in #96 yey!
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