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A slap upside the head

Unread postby aldente » Sun 01 May 2005, 17:07:13

What it would take for the American public to start paying attention to the grave energy issues coming down at us? James Kunstler answered, speaking figuratively, a bitch-slap upside the head. This offended some female listeners in the audience.

Are somebody's (anybody's) personal feelings more important than the substance of any expression, and are somebody's (anybody's) hurt feelings grounds for shutting down the expression, and the discussion that goes with it? http://kunstler.com/mags_diary13.html
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Unread postby NevadaGhosts » Sun 01 May 2005, 17:22:00

Many Americans today are highly offended, politically correct spineless techno wimps. I wonder how much peak oil will offend and scare them in the future.
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Unread postby Jack » Sun 01 May 2005, 17:32:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NevadaGhosts', 'M')any Americans today are highly offended, politically correct spineless techno wimps. I wonder how much peak oil will offend and scare them in the future.

Deeply, of course. The question is - will they transition to destructive rage, will they curl up in a fetal position and die, or will they overcome their background and address the problem. I suspect rage or resignation will be the answer. I'm not sure which.
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Unread postby CarnbY » Sun 01 May 2005, 17:36:22

Yeah, it seems like becoming offended is a hobby for a lot of people over there, it's pathetic...
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Unread postby aldente » Sun 01 May 2005, 17:56:43

PO is not present in the European media either, since it offends people just as much
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Unread postby killJOY » Sun 01 May 2005, 18:14:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'i')t seems like becoming offended is a hobby
It's the effect of psychoanalysis/psychiatry on culture, the Cult of Self-Esteem. the Pseudoscience Effect.
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Unread postby CarnbY » Sun 01 May 2005, 18:28:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('albente', 'P')O is not present in the European media either, since it offends people just as much
Are you saying that PO is not in the media in Europe because of fear of offending people? Europeans won't be happy to learn that they have to cut down on oil consumption, but 'offended' is hardly the right word...
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Unread postby aldente » Sun 01 May 2005, 19:06:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('CarnbY', 'A')re you saying that PO is not in the media in Europe because of fear of offending people?


It's not because the media is in fear of offending people, they simply react to what outcome that their reports have, and people in general and the stock exchanges in particular are turned off by bad news with no escape route.

Take the recent issue of the "Economist". How to avoid the next oil shock, it says (the headline alone... as if it could be avoided - Time magazine had a similar stupid headline a few months ago - How to kick the oil habit - duhh), anyways, on page 16 of the special report it says: Why the world is not running out of oil. Well, every peakoiler knows that this sentence is true but in the context they use it, it is the necessary soothing pill that the reader couldn't do without.
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Unread postby RonMN » Sun 01 May 2005, 22:07:58

A good Bitch-slap upside the head would take a 1-2 punch!

1) A 2 or 3 day power outtage (nation wide).

2) The prez. to come on the tube & say "expect alot MORE power outtages"!!!

That would wake up a person or 2!!!
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Re: a bitch-slap upside the head

Unread postby Zok » Mon 02 May 2005, 00:44:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('albente', '
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Are somebody's (anybody's) personal feelings more important than the substance of any expression, and are somebody's (anybody's) hurt feelings grounds for shutting down the expression, and the discussion that goes with it?


The expression certainly does not negate the discussion, but it lessens the impact of the message. I don’t know how a cavalier reference to physical abuse towards women can further any cause. This is especially true since there are many powerful alternative phrases that could have been used in the place of this one.


In response to some of the other replies: do you not equate respect for others with strength? I agree that there is such a thing as overkill in regard to the question of ‘what is offensive’, but I suspect that backlash to being PC is just as bad.
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Unread postby cube » Mon 02 May 2005, 01:49:14

When PO hits I think we're all going to wish it was nothing but

"a bitch-slap upside the head"

instead it's going to be the equivalent of getting "bent over".
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Unread postby killJOY » Mon 02 May 2005, 06:14:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'a') cavalier reference to physical abuse towards women can further any cause.
I'm going to continue using it just BECAUSE dipsticks like you are so sensitized to it. Your PC language makes me [smilie=icon_puke_r.gif]


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Unread postby bobcousins » Mon 02 May 2005, 08:08:03

I know somone who teaches at a US university and he reports big problems with hyper-sensitive "femi-nazis", who jump on seemingly innocuous statements of fact and construe them as some sort of montrous slander on whatever group they feel they speak for - its not just feminists, but other social lobby groups.

However they do have a point. Despite what people say, they are influenced by sterotypes and prejudice expressed by those around them. If you constantly refer to certain groups in derogatory terms then people's attitudes to that group will be affected.

So if women don't like being referred to as bitches I am quite happy to use whatever term they prefer. There are plenty of neutral alternatives to the offending term. What is wrong with the simple alternatives "a slap in the face?", "kick in the butt" etc.
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Unread postby AlCzervik » Mon 02 May 2005, 09:33:03

He should have said that ho, mother nature, is going to slap us all upside the head. Maybe those PC freaks would have liked that better.
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Unread postby holmes » Mon 02 May 2005, 09:34:34

[expletive] the prix. LOL. O my god the whole society is bunk. They will allow anything that makes cash. But saying a swear word is sacriledge unless you are making big cash for the machine. You have to understand these filthy capitalists and communists or whatever. If it makes $ it is lauded and fine. if it doesnt. witch hunt. The indians talked about this way back. Its just old hat. actually many would sell out there own blood for cash White capitalist culture. Its just all colors now. Get rid of the tribal code. This is what you have instead. I say kill them all when the tiem comes. Im ready to pile some bodies. [expletive] em. :lol:

(edited for profanity- KiddieKorral)
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Re: a bitch-slap upside the head

Unread postby BiGG » Mon 02 May 2005, 11:05:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('albente', 'W')hat it would take for the American public to start paying attention to the grave energy issues coming down at us?


What will Americans do? Americans will do just like we always have done .... when oil goes up in price we will buy more fuel efficient cars and continue driving to work everyday just like we did in the seventies.

Very soon we will be driving cars not requiring oil and driving them to work everyday just like we always have. Americans and the American way aren’t going anywhere nor are any others around the planet. We are simply moving into a new era and the new era isn’t the end of anything except oil. My car will run just as well using biowaste and other current, viable technologies.
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Unread postby oowolf » Mon 02 May 2005, 16:51:59

Aleric the P.O. Goth is banging at the gates while the P.C. zombies are offended by slanguage or a few seconds of electronically exposed tit. I suppose these are the same consumeroids whose computers/SUV's/etc, etc, are destroying the Earth.
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Unread postby accept_death » Mon 02 May 2005, 16:53:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bobcousins', 'S')o if women don't like being referred to as bitches I am quite happy to use whatever term they prefer. There are plenty of neutral alternatives to the offending term. What is wrong with the simple alternatives "a slap in the face?", "kick in the butt" etc.


I can go along with that. He shouldn't have said the phrase "bitch slap upside the head". It's a deragatory term. What gets me though, is how Kunstler mentions a young woman was offended by his critique on the lack of "feminine" characteristics of modernist architecture. This is utterly ridiculous, imo, or as Kunstler puts it, "pernicious fucking nonsense". I'm sure these "feminists" would have no problem suggesting the rigid skyscraper as a metaphor for the male (ahem) "cock", or maybe in the designers case a lack there of. As a male I'm not offended, because I know it's true. Yet, suggest that a more round, aesthetically pleasing building constitutes feminine qualities and suddenly you are promoting "harmful, oppresive stereotypes about women". It's a double standard, and they know it. They feel they are entitled to it, it's sort of their way of "getting back" at the oppresive male world. They retreat to academia and make a lifestyle of it, forging their own aristocracy of politically correct culture. They pride themselves on having the "guts" to confront issues such as gender, sexual orientation and race, where the "white male" is afraid to because he feels they threaten his power in society (ha, not).

It's too bad because I think these women (it's always women. Black and gay males rarely bitch about this kind of thing even though they've suffered similar "oppression") have some good points to make. They just go about the wrong way in teaching them by essentially cutting off free speech. They don't seem to glimpse the irony, because they are living in a dream world, the world of the university. It's this PC additude that really ruins any chance of a decent left wing political movement in this country. It drives people like me away, and I'm about as anti right wing as they come. It's also a major reason nobody takes college students seriously. Kunstler is dead on with his comments.
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