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Re: A Simple Man's Apology

Unread postby MD » Sun 12 Nov 2006, 20:41:06

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I am responding to the portion of your post that I found valuable.
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Re: A Simple Man's Apology

Unread postby MD » Sun 12 Nov 2006, 20:50:03

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I feel it is time to stop giving a free ride to the damaging religiosity of this group and to start subjecting their beliefs to the rules of evidence. We also need to incorporate the new and fascinating information coming from cultural and archaeological studies of the holy lands.




You leave me feeling rather....jewish..

Perhaps I should start practicing my "sieg heils" now?
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Re: A Simple Man's Apology

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 12 Nov 2006, 20:52:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DesertBear2', '
') We also need to incorporate the new and fascinating information coming from cultural and archaeological studies of the holy lands.
Tell us about that, it sounds interesting. Maybe I should say again that I am not a believer in the Christian story. The evidence seems to suggest that Jesus never existed. But that isn't the issue. If I choose to honor believers it is out of respect and decency. Sure, plenty of rotten people cloak themselves in righteousness. What difference does that make? Even the Romans respected religious beliefs of other people. It seems like the right thing to do to me.
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Re: A Simple Man's Apology

Unread postby MD » Sun 12 Nov 2006, 21:03:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DesertBear2', '
') We also need to incorporate the new and fascinating information coming from cultural and archaeological studies of the holy lands.
Tell us about that, it sounds interesting. Maybe I should say again that I am not a believer in the Christian story. The evidence seems to suggest that Jesus never existed. But that isn't the issue. If I choose to honor believers it is out of respect and decency. Sure, plenty of rotten people cloak themselves in righteousness. What difference does that make? Even the Romans respected religious beliefs of other people. It seems like the right thing to do to me.


I miss polite behavior.
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Re: A Simple Man's Apology

Unread postby NEOPO » Sun 12 Nov 2006, 21:09:07

k - gather round children as fact is stranger then fiction ;-)
A long long time ago, in our galaxy, in a place known as atlantis creatures from other planets we call them aliens came down to earth in space ships.
The goal was to breed a humanoid hybrid to be an obediant yet capable slave and as the story goes they made a mistake and eventually the slave rebelled and went off and did its own thing what have you and these were alien and reptile hybrids ;-)

So children, these creatures from space tried a second time and this time they used the monkey and made alien monkey hybrids and that is what we are ;-)
Oh I am sure the "nazi" alien scientists toyed with all life yet we are more concerned with "our" history.

So a little dabble here and there - plop plop fizz fizz and both evolution and creationism are solved and both are correct!
and oh what a relief it is ;-)

Two birds one stone - no applause please - only throw greenbacks as the monkey will be around to collect any coinage ;-)

Its so simple now - from the first page of genesis to the last page of my original copy of the secret doctrine 1888 first edition - yep yet I am sure that many will stick to their own vision of some wheel spoke dogma handed down through the generations like so many good stories.....
You have to combine them and that includes most of science to get the big picture and as long as people take one above the other they will never see it.

I watched a show today on the history channel.
That reminds me - watch the history channel at 8pm EST something good was coming on and at 9pm a look at the free masons with upside down pentagrams and all ;-)

Ok was watching a show where they found a domesticated pig/hog can revert to wild behavior and rapid body alterations if reintroduced to the wild.
Farmers were looking at a picture of this Hog beast known as Hogzilla and few thought it was a wild hog because of its cropped tail and size yet they couldnt explain the thick fur and the huge tusks of the beast that measured approx 8 feet long and weighed approx 800 pounds.

the conclusion: it was a dom. hog / wild boar hybrid.

So much for evolution taking millions of years across the board...
Perhaps domestication was only temporary which means that there is still hope for people like PMS!! ;-)

Break on through to the other side yeahhhhhh

Honestly - i can always be wrong but the above captures pretty much my most recent thoughts on god stuff and evolution creationism et al.....
Glove fits wear it? ;-)

Good night children - time to go watch some BS soft spin on the "good" or "benevolence" of secret societies like the Illuminati oops I mean free masons ;-)
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Re: A Simple Man's Apology

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 12 Nov 2006, 21:23:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DesertBear2', '
') We also need to incorporate the new and fascinating information coming from cultural and archaeological studies of the holy lands.
Tell us about that, it sounds interesting. Maybe I should say again that I am not a believer in the Christian story. The evidence seems to suggest that Jesus never existed. But that isn't the issue. If I choose to honor believers it is out of respect and decency. Sure, plenty of rotten people cloak themselves in righteousness. What difference does that make? Even the Romans respected religious beliefs of other people. It seems like the right thing to do to me.


I miss polite behavior.
I was thinking that maybe some might take issue with the notion that Romans respected other people's religions. You know, Nero and the lions and all that. But it was a long history of Rome. And generally they did respect other religions. There was something chauvanistic about the Jews and Christianity which was an offshoot of Judaism. The Monotheism thing was an affront to the religious sensibilities of everyone in those days when there were so many gods. It said, "you people are idolaters" For whatever reason which I could not presume to know, the monotheism idea took hold. I would like it if there was still a temple for Athena and all the other gods.
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Re: A Simple Man's Apology

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 12 Nov 2006, 22:10:47

My speculations on what happened in those far off days is that the Egyptian practice of worshipping the Pharaoh took hold of everyones' imagination. After all, every one could see if they made the journey to Egypt the fantastic memorials to the Egytian Gods (Pharaohs) from antiquity, and yes it was antiquity to them too even 2 thousand years ago. It isn't a far stretch from there to monotheism. Heck, that's probably where the Jews got the idea in the first place.
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Re: A Simple Man's Apology

Unread postby rogerhb » Sun 12 Nov 2006, 22:11:42

Monotheisitic religions are supremely arrogant, for example when it is claimed that monotheistic religions are "more advanced". By design, they cannot co-exist peacefully with other religions.

Polytheistic religions can happily coexist with other polytheistic religions;-

"Hey, you've got a god of "pieces of lint", that's cool. We don't have one like that, but our god of thunder is rather like your one, must be the same chap."
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Re: A Simple Man's Apology

Unread postby rogerhb » Sun 12 Nov 2006, 22:14:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'H')eck, that's probably where the Jews got the idea in the first place.


(a) where did Moses spend his upbringing?

(b) remember Akenaten?

(c) Genesis was written using polytheistic terminology, eg it talks about a hierachy of gods, then monotheism was clumsily retrofitted.
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Re: A Simple Man's Apology

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 12 Nov 2006, 22:24:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', 'M')onotheisitic religions are supremely arrogant,
That was probably the whole point and why they took over for two thousand years. A true paradox when you consider the dogma. But what does it tell us as human beings?
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Re: A Simple Man's Apology

Unread postby MD » Mon 13 Nov 2006, 04:11:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', 'M')onotheisitic religions are supremely arrogant,
That was probably the whole point and why they took over for two thousand years. A true paradox when you consider the dogma. But what does it tell us as human beings?


It speaks to our wonderful ability to muck up everything we touch.
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Re: A Simple Man's Apology

Unread postby MD » Mon 13 Nov 2006, 04:58:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', 'M')onotheisitic religions are supremely arrogant, for example when it is claimed that monotheistic religions are "more advanced". By design, they cannot co-exist peacefully with other religions.

Polytheistic religions can happily coexist with other polytheistic religions;-

"Hey, you've got a god of "pieces of lint", that's cool. We don't have one like that, but our god of thunder is rather like your one, must be the same chap."



Religious structures are operated by people, therein lies the risk. Their specific god structure has little effect in comparison.

Personally I don't find god definitions that critical. Once you realize that there are six billon unique god constructs on the planet, even with large segments pointing to the same referent, getting your panties bunched over the definition file seems silly.
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Re: A Simple Man's Apology

Unread postby NEOPO » Mon 13 Nov 2006, 11:37:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', 'M')onotheisitic religions are supremely arrogant,
That was probably the whole point and why they took over for two thousand years. A true paradox when you consider the dogma. But what does it tell us as human beings?


worshipping several versions of the "trinity" is monotheism? ;-)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')stensibly monotheistic religions may still include concepts of a plurality of the divine, for example the Christian Trinity, or the veneration of Saints, as well as the belief in "lesser spirits" such as angels or demons.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'o')s‧ten‧si‧ble  /ɒˈstɛnsəbəl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[o-sten-suh-buhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–adjective 1. outwardly appearing as such; professed; pretended: an ostensible cheerfulness concealing sadness.
2. apparent, evident, or conspicuous: the ostensible truth of their theories.

Such a wacky wacky world we live in ;-)

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Re: A Simple Man's Apology

Unread postby MD » Tue 14 Nov 2006, 07:41:02

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I would love to converse with you, but once again there is nothing there that merits response.
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Re: A Simple Man's Apology

Unread postby MD » Fri 17 Nov 2006, 06:59:05

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I would love to converse with you, but once again there is nothing there that merits response.


Read my above two posts and come back.

namaste

Raphael


I went through them again and still have no response.

I do find your posts contain a measure of truth, and your style makes a fun read, but it just doesn't stimulate any desire to engage discussion, at least for me. No offense intended.
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