[tita]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'J')ust follow the clues and facts as opposed to the sanitized version of the facts.

[asg70]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', '
')Actually what I am doing is separating those who are open minded from those who are not on this site. Just follow the clues and facts as opposed to the sanitized version of the facts.

[Cog]

Did onlooker read the NIST report on 911 or did he stick with 911 youtube videos?

https://www.nist.gov/engineering-labora ... estigation

[charmcitysking]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'D')id onlooker read the NIST report on 911 or did he stick with 911 youtube videos?

https://www.nist.gov/engineering-labora ... estigation

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('charmcitysking', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'D')id onlooker read the NIST report on 911 or did he stick with 911 youtube videos?

https://www.nist.gov/engineering-labora ... estigation

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', '
')Actually what I am doing is separating those who are open minded from those who are not on this site. Just follow the clues and facts as opposed to the sanitized version of the facts.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('charmcitysking', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'D')id onlooker read the NIST report on 911 or did he stick with 911 youtube videos?

https://www.nist.gov/engineering-labora ... estigation

[asg70]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '
')And that "strong evidence" would be?

[charmcitysking]

http://www.ae911truth.org/gallery/evidence.html

I don’t want to derail this thread too far, but to answer your question here’s a society of over two thousand architects and engineers who challenge the NIST findings.

I’m not an architect or an engineer, so I can’t say which group of engineers is correct and which one is incorrect. Can you Cog? Can you OS? Can you objectively discredit the arguments of this group’s opinion rather than just chalking it up to a gang of conspiracy theorists?

Nothing to do with my intuition here and this is certainly no YouTube video or zerohedge article.

[Rod_Cloutier]

Kevin Ryan wrote a really readable and detailed book about the matter called 'Another nineteen' where a full account of what happened on Sept.11, 2001 was detailed, and he left it there. Perhaps the best book on 9/11 so far:

https://www.amazon.com/Another-Nineteen ... B00DT5DI5M

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('charmcitysking', 'h')ttp://www.ae911truth.org/gallery/evidence.html

I don’t want to derail this thread too far, but to answer your question here’s a society of over two thousand architects and engineers who challenge the NIST findings.

I’m not an architect or an engineer, so I can’t say which group of engineers is correct and which one is incorrect. Can you Cog? Can you OS? Can you objectively discredit the arguments of this group’s opinion rather than just chalking it up to a gang of conspiracy theorists?

Nothing to do with my intuition here and this is certainly no YouTube video or zerohedge article.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('charmcitysking', 'h')ttp://www.ae911truth.org/gallery/evidence.html

I don’t want to derail this thread too far, but to answer your question here’s a society of over two thousand architects and engineers who challenge the NIST findings.

[Tanada]

If anyone had told me on 9/11/2002 that the attacks of a year earlier would become the conspiracy theory that replaced the Grassy Knoll Shooter in the JFK conspiracy circles I would have said they were nuts. Here we are 15+ years after that first anniversary and the theorists are still going strong.

Just one more piece of evidence proving my lack of future prediction skills.

[onlooker]

Some of you are clearly displaying the confirmation bias you are accusing others like me as having

[asg70]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'S')ome of you are clearly displaying the confirmation bias you are accusing others like me as having

[onlooker]

In answer to Plant's observation that NO suits have formerly been filed against the US govt by US citizens because of the hurdles and difficuties of doing so.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/05/columns/ ... its.05.22/

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ') The FTCA also limits suits in other ways. For suit to be brought, the government actor who caused the tort must have been acting within the scope of her government employment, and must have been performing a "nondiscretionary" function.

These limitations are very significant. Many intentional torts (except those committed by soldiers or federal agents) are held to fall far outside the scope of government employment. And few government functions are truly nondiscretionary.

A decision that implicates a policy goal, for instance, is a "discretionary" decision, which therefore cannot form the basis for an FTCA suit. Examples might include: a decision to issue a permit; a decision whether to carry out a safety inspection; a decision whether to parole a prisoner; a decision to have mail carriers drive a certain kind of dangerous truck; and -- certainly -- a decision made at the highest level of government concerning how many resources to devote to a problem, or whether to even address the problem in the first place.

In short, no matter how negligent or reckless a policy decision might seem in retrospect, the federal government is immune from suit from private citizens, no matter who gets hurt or how much property is lost. Congress has decided, very generally, not to allow policy judgments or their consequences to be litigated -- perhaps to avoid partisan lawsuits that attempt to attack policies that could not be defeated politically

[onlooker]

And I will add, that naturally anybody would be hesitant to do so because of the rightfully perceived backlash and bias said person would almost certainly receive.
Let’s be honest here. Said person (s) would be viewed almost as traitors

[Cog]

There would be no bar to suing the federal government, if as you 911 conspiracy theorists believe the Twin Towers were brought down deliberately by controlled demolition. That would not fall under negligence or discretion. A conspiracy to commit murder is neither of those.

You don't have to "melt steel beams" to make them weaken and fail to support the loads they were designed for.

[Newfie]

Tanada,

I pretty much believe the 9/11 basic premis. The ONE bit where there may be some lying is in the plane over PA, it may have been brought down by our fighters.

On the JFK controversy however I am not convienced. I just can NOT believe Oswald made those shots. No one else has been able to duplicate them. My Father was about as straight as you can get. He was also a remarkable marksman. He also thought that line about Oswald being the sole shooter was BS just based on his own experience.

I did recently read something new to me. The secret service man riding with LBJ 3 cars back claimed he smelt gunpowder. May just have been the excitement of the moment.

[dissident]

Even if you believe the official story, the whole case stinks. A collection of Saudi terrorists kill over 3000 US citizens on US soil and the US keeps on sucking Saudi cock before, during and after the event. The USA has never, ever exerted any pressure on the Saudis ease off on the succoring of terrorists.