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Re: 5 things you should worry about in 2014

Unread postby dorlomin » Fri 03 Jan 2014, 22:05:46

The 6% decline rate was offset by new oil coming online to be somewhere near 2-3%.

That, though, will be enough to ensure hydrocarbon depletion is the big story of the next 10 years.
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Re: 5 things you should worry about in 2014

Unread postby Pops » Sat 04 Jan 2014, 00:21:06

Depletion is 24 7, and decline in flow rate after some point is inevitable for every well. There is a well being capped somewhere every day because it is unproductive, every hour I suppose. So of course new wells must come online to make up for those that wear out.

But, over the last 10 years, C+C has remained essentially flat. The rest of the story is that all of those 10 years hundreds and thousands of new wells were completed and brought online but hundreds and thousands of other, older wells were constantly depleting and flow rates in many others declining and in others finally grinding to a dusty halt.

Even with every bit of technology and hundreds of billions of dollars in capital investment, flow from all those new wells could not replace the flow from declining wells and increase the total more than a few tenths of a percent per year, even with the rewards being the highest average real prices ever in the history of oil.

The fact that can't be avoided is all the wells that can be drilled are being drilled and yet supply remains stagnant - except for a few, soon to be depleted LTO sweet spots in the US.

Not sure how else you would describe such a situation other than the peak of oil production.

There are a couple million barrels shut in here and there that might come online at any time depending on whose god comes out on top. And of course there are billions of barrels of oil in proved reserves we have yet to tap, after all, the second half of the curve has to come from somewhere. But right now, everything we can do we are doing and it is only amounting to keeping production even. It doesn't seem like a logical leap to think the next thing to happen is that the new wells will not be able to keep up with the decline of the old, that the large tide of decline overwhelms the flow from new wells.

Ron Patterson I think calculated earlier this year that it's taking 60% of new well production simply to make up for old well depletion in N Dakota - and "old" in the Bakken means last month or at best last year because that is how fast the new wells start declining. The EIA says the US will peak in a couple of years and plateau for a couple more and decline by 2020 - I take that as the most optimistic forecast.

Europe is declining rapidly, Russia saved us from PO in the Oughties but now is obviously peaking - barring a fracking miracle of their own, and all the other tight, deep, frozen and x-heavy sorta-oil are going to amount to a fraction of today's flow at their height.


In 2014 I'd worry about peak oil because it sure looks to be just around the corner
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Re: 5 things you should worry about in 2014

Unread postby Subjectivist » Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:52:50

Seems like there are at least of a few of us thinking that peak decline is startng this year. Is that paranoia or are we just better at prediction?
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Re: 5 things you should worry about in 2014

Unread postby dissident » Sat 04 Jan 2014, 12:14:30

It is hard to evaluate the situation because we do not have a detailed list of new production and old production around the globe. There are snapshots of parts of it and the rest has to be deduced via handwaving. Given the available information, there is not enough conventional new production to explain the current plateau and allow for some happy motoring decades into the future. It looks like it is non-conventional that is propping up the current production and this non-conventional just does not have the scale to replace the conventional decline. So we will fall off the plateau in the next several years. I think it is a bit ironic that the interest in peak oil peaked when it is just about to become clear.
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Re: 5 things you should worry about in 2014

Unread postby Subjectivist » Sat 04 Jan 2014, 13:23:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dissident', 'I')t is hard to evaluate the situation because we do not have a detailed list of new production and old production around the globe. There are snapshots of parts of it and the rest has to be deduced via handwaving. Given the available information, there is not enough conventional new production to explain the current plateau and allow for some happy motoring decades into the future. It looks like it is non-conventional that is propping up the current production and this non-conventional just does not have the scale to replace the conventional decline. So we will fall off the plateau in the next several years. I think it is a bit ironic that the interest in peak oil peaked when it is just about to become clear.


Intellectually I know you are right, but emotionally I want the waiting to be over even though I know the consequnces will be painfull.
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Re: 5 things you should worry about in 2014

Unread postby dolanbaker » Sat 04 Jan 2014, 15:03:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Subjectivist', 'S')eems like there are at least of a few of us thinking that peak decline is startng this year. Is that paranoia or are we just better at prediction?

I also think that the decline in larger fields will no longer be offset by growth in fracking & other "unconventional" sources.

But the one thing that will be a gamechanger in the near future will be when "alternative" fuels also fail to grow to replace oil as a primary fuel source. Coal and gas production is already being ramped up as an alternative fuel source, but for how much longer?

Here in Ireland, there has already been a peak oil moment, just look at how much consumption has dropped and we're still leading fairly normal lives here. Note that this chart is more indicative of the decline in industrial activity as much as anything else.

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Re: 5 things you should worry about in 2014

Unread postby Ibon » Sat 04 Jan 2014, 16:01:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rollin', 'I')n a land where you can get your eyes, heart, hips, knees, cancers and many other things fixed I think we need to worry about the state of the medical industry.


I started reading your first sentence and thought you were going somewhere else with your comment. Anyway, here is what I thought you were going to say as my brain was anticipating it.


In modern industrial culture where you can get your eyes, heart, hips, cancers and many other things fixed why are we unable to heal our biosphere?


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Re: 5 things you should worry about in 2014

Unread postby Ibon » Sat 04 Jan 2014, 16:06:00

Although prediction is difficult it seems we have some long term posters here, myself included,whose peak oil barometers are showing signs of falling pressure and storms brewing.

I remain tentative in seeing if my hypothesis is correct that when undeniable consequences start to bite we will see a rallying around the issue as a culture, in spite of the impossibility to maintain the status quo as we know it.

Moving out of denial collectively will open a lot of doors for alternative values to emerge. As mentioned in the Horizon Scanning thread pay attention to changing values in the millenial and following generations. In spite of the digital imbilical cords they have and naivete and youthful hubris the young are the ones to be watching.
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Re: 5 things you should worry about in 2014

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Mon 06 Jan 2014, 23:31:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'T')he thing that worries me now and really always has, is the continual drift into irrelevance that our lives are taking. It seems to me that more and more people I talk to know relatively little about the world or how it works and merely exist from one vacation or spending spree to the next. My neighbor dropped by yesterday (to ask me if the laptop he had the specs for would serve him to browse the internet) and when I showed him my ongoing pickup project (with engine now totally disassembled and spread around the shop) he said "I'd not know where to start." No big deal, except, he worked for years selling Pennzoil, is a big NASCAR fan and has a couple of classic cars and collects "automobile" stuff. The guy can't change his own oil..


+1 Pops.

Just today I was leaving Home Depot with some things I bought to replace a thermostat for my upstairs heat pump. The girl behind the counter struck up some small talk about the cold weather we are having here in the SE. Low temps tonight are going to set ALL time records I think. Anyway..she made this comment..... "I sure hope there isnt any ice tonight!". Well if you know ANYTHING about the weather and have paid ANY attention in the last two days, you would know that A. there isnt any precip within a thousand mile of us, and B. at temperatures like this the dewpoint spreads get ridiculous and moisture cannot be suspended in the air like it can when its warmer. Basic meteorology! I'm no genius, but it really struck me that this woman has NO CLUE how weather works. None at all.

Its becoming the norm for folks to rely on devices, the Internet, and Google to do their thinking for them. Kind of scary for the future actually.
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