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Driving by the large mechanically plowed fields the next day I realized that there is no way on this earth to go back to an agriculture that is managed by hand, not even remotely.
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by RdSnt » Fri 10 Jun 2005, 12:25:58
It is quite doable, it just won't supply the same number of people. That part is impossible.
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by strider3700 » Fri 10 Jun 2005, 12:54:17
my tomatoes are partially shaded for a good 3 hours each afternoon. I'm going to need to tie them back to a trellace to stop them from collapsing under their own weight the way they are currently going. It might be the soil though.
shame on us, doomed from the start
god have mercy on our dirty little hearts
god have mercy on our dirty little hearts
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by Pops » Fri 10 Jun 2005, 13:01:04
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I think we were talking about harvesting grain…
I checked out a quite good book about wheat farming in the northwest in the 1800’s and early 1900’s - something like; “This Was Wheat Farming”; great book if you are into that kind of thing.
The whole crew to cut, stack, move, thresh, and deliver, could be 40-50 or more men and twice or 3 times as many horses and mules.
Really amazing to see pictures of a 36-horse team pulling one of the newfangled combines over those hills!
THAT was work!
Come on Saudi!
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I think we were talking about harvesting grain…
I checked out a quite good book about wheat farming in the northwest in the 1800’s and early 1900’s - something like; “This Was Wheat Farming”; great book if you are into that kind of thing.
The whole crew to cut, stack, move, thresh, and deliver, could be 40-50 or more men and twice or 3 times as many horses and mules.
Really amazing to see pictures of a 36-horse team pulling one of the newfangled combines over those hills!
THAT was work!
Come on Saudi!
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by PenultimateManStanding » Fri 10 Jun 2005, 14:34:02
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It isn't so 'doable' when you consider the 'impossible' part. The political ramifications off die-off are staggering. Hello Easter Island.')It is quite doable, it just won't supply the same number of people. That part is impossible.
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by Ludi » Fri 10 Jun 2005, 14:56:44
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'I')t isn't so 'doable' when you consider the 'impossible' part. The political ramifications off die-off are staggering. Hello Easter Island.
I agree, there's just no way to so completely change most of the world's method of growing food and way of life in such a short time, even if theoretically the same quantity of food could be produced by hand labor (and it is theoretically possible using Biointensive methods). But that kind of theorising is largely pointless, because it will in fact not happen (I think I can predict that with confidence). That's what makes me a doomer. What makes me an optimist is that I think individuals and communities can take some steps to secure their own food supply. But it shouldn't try to be the same kind of food supply we're used to, based on an annual grain agriculture (which is sort of on the thread topic). Annual grain agriculture is the most labor-intensive way of obtaining food ever devised. But it is absolutely necessary for the formation and continuation of cities, at least as far as the historical record indicates. So goodbye cities.
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