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Re: 2117 Lurkers?

Unread postby Andrew_S » Sat 21 Jan 2006, 15:19:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tuike', 'W')hen I was in school, one of my teachers used to say to one of his pupils: "You should remain silent too, so that you would seem smarter than you are." :-D


Typically Finnish. As I often say "Mä ymmärrän, mutt mä en puhu."
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Re: 2117 Lurkers?

Unread postby Tanada » Sat 21 Jan 2006, 16:51:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Andrew_S', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tuike', 'W')hen I was in school, one of my teachers used to say to one of his pupils: "You should remain silent too, so that you would seem smarter than you are." :-D


Typically Finnish. As I often say "Mä ymmärrän, mutt mä en puhu."


Reminds me of the smart(ass) saying "Better to remain silent and have people think you stupid than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." or something like that ;)

My ego is big enough that I don't care to much if other people think I am stupid so I shoot my mouth off all the time.
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Re: 2117 Lurkers?

Unread postby stu » Sat 21 Jan 2006, 22:26:34

I couldn't imagine the prospect of lurking on a forum where the subject is something as important as Peak Oil. If you're genuinely interested in Peak oil then obviously the implications of it are in your head so I figure the best way to release that is to talk about it.

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Re: 2117 Lurkers?

Unread postby ExampleGiven » Sun 22 Jan 2006, 00:20:17

I lurk therefore I am. This is not a very welcoming site. Much extremisim. Tons of bad/manipulated information, right up there with the mass media. Bullet point mentality. No solution Doomers, Gun Freaks. Pseudo Nazis, Real Nazis, Closed Minds, personal attacks (ad hominem), leftover Y2kers, poor focus, learned helplessness, and on and on. Failure is the only option. Right.

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Re: 2117 Lurkers?

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Sun 22 Jan 2006, 01:39:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ExampleGiven', 'I') lurk therefore I am. This is not a very welcoming site. Much extremisim. Tons of bad/manipulated information, right up there with the mass media. Bullet point mentality. No solution Doomers, Gun Freaks. Pseudo Nazis, Real Nazis, Closed Minds, personal attacks (ad hominem), leftover Y2kers, poor focus, learned helplessness, and on and on. Failure is the only option. Right.

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We have lots of friendly advice on home heating, insulation, recipes for rice and beans, bicycle maintenance, etc.
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Re: 2117 Lurkers?

Unread postby Free » Sun 22 Jan 2006, 02:24:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('stu', 'I') couldn't imagine the prospect of lurking on a forum where the subject is something as important as Peak Oil. If you're genuinely interested in Peak oil then obviously the implications of it are in your head so I figure the best way to release that is to talk about it.

A problem shared is a problem halved.:-)


Well I think many intend only to lurk and bang they are caught in the cult, at least this was the case with me.
Initially I just wanted to make a quick comment and never return, and before I knew it I was addicted and couldn't stop spamming the forum just for the sake of it.
It's a bit like with somebody who has been mortally wounded, the adrenaline is rushing, and you can't stop talking just to forget the fear of death...you are right, it's more therapy than anything else...

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Re: 2117 Lurkers?

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 22 Jan 2006, 02:30:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ExampleGiven', 'I') lurk therefore I am. This is not a very welcoming site. Much extremisim. Tons of bad/manipulated information, right up there with the mass media. Bullet point mentality. No solution Doomers, Gun Freaks. Pseudo Nazis, Real Nazis, Closed Minds, personal attacks (ad hominem), leftover Y2kers, poor focus, learned helplessness, and on and on. Failure is the only option. Right.

Not too many leftover Y2Kers around (who say anything about it, anyway). I have been up front about being one of them. Look at the new Amory Lovins thread that I posted just for you!
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Re: 2117 Lurkers?

Unread postby threadbear » Sun 22 Jan 2006, 02:45:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ExampleGiven', 'I') lurk therefore I am. This is not a very welcoming site. Much extremisim. Tons of bad/manipulated information, right up there with the mass media. Bullet point mentality. No solution Doomers, Gun Freaks. Pseudo Nazis, Real Nazis, Closed Minds, personal attacks (ad hominem), leftover Y2kers, poor focus, learned helplessness, and on and on. Failure is the only option. Right.

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Unwelcoming? Who the h** asked you. F*** off! :lol: :lol:
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Re: 2117 Lurkers?

Unread postby threadbear » Sun 22 Jan 2006, 02:58:34

Listen up, People. I'm the last one who should be giving a lesson in etiquette, I know, but it wouldn't hurt to welcome newcomers and not be acidic bitter and contemptuous to someone posting for the first time. I find the manners on this board really atrocious. You're a lovely group of people, but I get the feeling you don't get out much.

Try this: An example of welcoming behaviour to the autistic in you:

Hi newcomer. Good to have you on board. Where are you from and what brings you to the board?

Nice touch, no?
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Re: 2117 Lurkers?

Unread postby stu » Sun 22 Jan 2006, 09:21:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ExampleGiven', 'I') lurk therefore I am. This is not a very welcoming site. Much extremisim. Tons of bad/manipulated information, right up there with the mass media. Bullet point mentality. No solution Doomers, Gun Freaks. Pseudo Nazis, Real Nazis, Closed Minds, personal attacks (ad hominem), leftover Y2kers, poor focus, learned helplessness, and on and on. Failure is the only option. Right.

Everday is The End of the World as We Know It.


Where is all this bad/manipulated information? Do you mean information regarding Peak Oil or are you just talking about other topics?

There is no denying this site attracts survivalists and doomers like moths to a lightbulb but when you're dealing with an issue such as PO then this is inevitable. There are people who preach the opposite side of the argument but even they agree that some sort of crisis will have to occur before the sheeple really begin to appreciate energy and embrace conservation. If you look at the news headlines everyday then you can't deny that energy is becoming more and more of an issue. In the last week we have seen oil pushes pushed to near record levels by unrest in Nigeria and tensions in Iran as well as an attack on Russian gas pipelines. Gold has risen to 25 year highs and some economists talk of tough times ahead. This doesn't mean that the end is necessarily nigh but looking at current trends you have to say things can be worrying.
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Re: 2117 Lurkers?

Unread postby hotsacks » Sun 22 Jan 2006, 10:30:54

Examplegiven,you make an excellent point about the depressive,self limiting POV of some posters here.Perhaps you can give us your analysis of the current energy situation as well as your ideas on how to deal with the supply/demand tension.
One thing's certain,you can't contribute from an armchair.Take the floor.You've inspired one of our news editors to start a thread on optimistic news items.Who knows but what you have to say could change the most misanthropic,backwards leaning,luddite loving minds among us?
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Re: 2117 Lurkers?

Unread postby Aaron » Sun 22 Jan 2006, 11:15:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hotsacks', 'E')xamplegiven,you make an excellent point about the depressive,self limiting POV of some posters here.Perhaps you can give us your analysis of the current energy situation as well as your ideas on how to deal with the supply/demand tension.
One thing's certain,you can't contribute from an armchair.Take the floor.You've inspired one of our news editors to start a thread on optimistic news items.Who knows but what you have to say could change the most misanthropic,backwards leaning,luddite loving minds among us?


I have one for you.

It's sad when the circus leaves town... but that means it's headed for a new town.

Despite longer-range predictions of regional & global conflict, (or perhaps because of this), the near-term prospects for some market sectors would seem to be excellent.

If we observe that the major oil & gas producers have been making investments over the past 2 decades anticipating $20 per barrel pricing, then the advent of prices 3 times that high mean a massive windfall surge of profit for these industries.

This in turn creates a trickle-down economic impact for the massive energy sector goods & services markets.

Therefore, I predict that the energy markets will boom into a period of unprecedented growth that will make the dot com/ENRON days look like kindergarten.

As things heat-up, truly amazing amounts of money will change hands as the players scramble for position.

And the rich/poor gap will swell; devouring the middle-class around the globe, and depositing most on the poor side of this gulf.

It's the next round of investing that is at issue in my mind.

Investing for a future with much higher energy costs, which rise year after year.

I fully expect the infusion of capital from energy markets to sustain global economic growth for as much as another decade.

Which is great for the "haves" this decade, but maybe not so good once the feeding frenzy ends...

By then, the situation should be so dire, and the inequity in wealth so large, as to guarantee war in all it's wonder.

Of course some unforeseen event may make a shambles of any prediction.

If we find a new Ghawar, or India nukes Pakistan, or the middle east melts down, or aliens land on the White House lawn, all bets are off.

But there is no denying that the oil sector is wildly profitable right now.

And given the underlying investment structures and relative price points, it's not hard to imagine the energy sector becoming the vehicle for an unprecedented concentration of wealth.
The problem is, of course, that not only is economics bankrupt, but it has always been nothing more than politics in disguise... economics is a form of brain damage.

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Re: 2117 Lurkers?

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 22 Jan 2006, 11:27:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hotsacks', '
')You've inspired one of our news editors to start a thread on optimistic news items.Who knows but what you have to say could change the most misanthropic,backwards leaning,luddite loving minds among us?
I'm not a news editor. I post mainly on the subjective side of things, and what gary_malcolm calls the "side issues". The "just for you" was a bit of irony. :-D
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Re: 2117 Lurkers?

Unread postby hotsacks » Sun 22 Jan 2006, 11:59:53

There's no mistaking the subject is your object PMS.
I was actually referring to stu's thread in Current events re:optimistic news items.Seems to me Examplegiven's post inspired stu's idea.
Aaron's short term growth summary is quite realistic IMHO.Future chaos after a period of unprecedented growth,concentration of political power in the hands of the few,death of the bourgeosie and liberal democracy etc.But for now,a smiley economy.In keeping with Taskforce Utility's depletion model.
Anyone predicting death and destruction over the next decade is going to look foolish with a stock market roaring and 4 turkeys in every pot.
Then....summum doomem est.
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Re: 2117 Lurkers?

Unread postby stu » Sun 22 Jan 2006, 13:12:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hotsacks', 'S')eems to me Examplegiven's post inspired stu's idea.


Spot on.

Sometimes this forum feels like people are just waiting in anticipation for something to give which will then lead to "The Collapse".

Remember the hysteria when Katrina slammed into NO.
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Re: 2117 Lurkers?

Unread postby Tanada » Sun 01 Apr 2007, 23:06:17

14 months ago I started this thread because I was surprised at the lurker to poster ratio. Tonight I remembered this thread so I looked up the current level.

Today April 1, 2007 there are 4026 people with one or more posts and 15252 registered members. By my math that is 3.78 lurkers for every single poster on here.

This compares to 2117 Lurker and 4631 members 14 months ago a ratio of 2.18 lurkers per poster (2514) on here.
Our participating membership has climbed 60% while our gross membership has increased by 329% Seems like 75% of new members do not actively participate, they just take it all in and stay silent.

Maybe some of these people have a brilliant solution they are just too shy to mention where we can see?

Nah, guess that is too much to hope for SIGH.....
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Re: 2117 Lurkers?

Unread postby NEOPO » Sun 01 Apr 2007, 23:53:45

Nope, its Jakob the Liar with Aaron playing the part of Jakob, making up fake accounts just to give people like us hope :)
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Re: 2117 Lurkers?

Unread postby grabby » Mon 02 Apr 2007, 05:55:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', ' ')

Maybe some of these people have a brilliant solution they are just too shy to mention where we can see?

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THAT'S RIGHT. iF THERE WERE A SOLUTION THEY WOULD SAY SOMETHING.
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Re: 2117 Lurkers?

Unread postby MD » Mon 02 Apr 2007, 06:55:40

will there be any lurkers left in 2117?
Stop filling dumpsters, as much as you possibly can, and everything will get better.

Just think it through.
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Re: 2117 Lurkers?

Unread postby cynicalheretic » Mon 02 Apr 2007, 09:54:42

What if? All of these lurkers are government employees who either don't wish to come under scrunity, or what if they are all reporting back for big brother. Or, what if they are Alex Jones's "lizard people" how scary is that :P
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