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Re: Democrats facing biggest midterm defeat in 110 years

Postby Ludi » Wed 29 Sep 2010, 18:40:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daniel_Plainview', '
')Obama's doing a great job -- unprecedented, actually -- of spending taxpayer money and increasing the national debt.



Republicans want to increase the debt by 4 TRILLION more! :)
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Re: Democrats facing biggest midterm defeat in 110 years

Postby Plantagenet » Wed 29 Sep 2010, 19:07:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daniel_Plainview', '
')Obama's doing a great job -- unprecedented, actually -- of spending taxpayer money and increasing the national debt.
....4 TRILLION more! :)


Ludi, your "4 trillion more" number is pro-Obama spin. Ludi, you are assuming (1) that Obama continues to spend into the future as he has done during the last two years and (2) that the overall budget continues to increase by ca. 12% each year above the bloated federal budget that Obama has now.

Deficits only occur when the government spends more then it takes in. Why not cut spending, instead of assuming as Obama and Ludi do, that federal spending must inexorably grow to the skies with 12% increases each and every year. :roll:
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Re: Democrats facing biggest midterm defeat in 110 years

Postby PrestonSturges » Wed 29 Sep 2010, 21:17:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daniel_Plainview', '
')Obama's doing a great job -- unprecedented, actually -- of spending taxpayer money and increasing the national debt.

Republicans want to increase the debt by 4 TRILLION more! :)
Ludi, don't waste your breath on these guys, they believe nothing, absolutely nothing.
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Re: Democrats facing biggest midterm defeat in 110 years

Postby Outcast_Searcher » Wed 29 Sep 2010, 21:18:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', 'A')s usual for all the good voting does I may as well wipe my ass with the ballot, Kinda like having to choose between a shit sandwich and a pile of garbage.

+1

Yeah, I normally respected my dad, but when I pointed out that I was going to start voting for libertarian presidential and congressional candidates when possible, since BOTH the GOP and the Democrats were liars with terrible platforms, he said " you'll be wasting your vote".

To which I say:

1). HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ha ha ha ha ha........... At least if enough people vote for NONE of the traditional candidates it will send a message.

2). I find it amazing that in the "land of the free", how strongly the vast majority of folks object to an expression of original thinking.
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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Re: Democrats facing biggest midterm defeat in 110 years

Postby Ludi » Wed 29 Sep 2010, 21:25:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'L')udi, don't waste your breath on these guys, they believe nothing, absolutely nothing.



Really? You don't think they believe what they have been led to believe? Personally, I can't tell if they are ignorant, stupid, or evil. If they're ignorant or stupid, then they may be sincere. I like to think the best of people! :)
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Re: Democrats facing biggest midterm defeat in 110 years

Postby Outcast_Searcher » Wed 29 Sep 2010, 21:29:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daniel_Plainview', '
')Obama's doing a great job -- unprecedented, actually -- of spending taxpayer money and increasing the national debt.

Republicans want to increase the debt by 4 TRILLION more! :)
Ludi, don't waste your breath on these guys, they believe nothing, absolutely nothing.


If the democrats want to do something constructive -- how about restoring the income tax rates to Clinton era rates for EVERYBODY, instead of whining and promoting class warfare? At least this WOULD show some actual credibility about reducing the deficit.

Don't want to do it right away due to the weak economy. Fine -- do it over 2 to 4 years starting in 2012 - in even increments. I don't care about the precise details but for crying out loud -- PROPOSE SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE!

And consider, with the popular tax "circle" chart pointing out how big the tax cuts would be for the rich -- this implies the rich would pay FAR more than the middle class toward fixing the problem -- something dems should love.

Instead, I keep seeing democratic senators (with a straight face) whine about how much the national debt increased under Bush's tenure. This is the very definition of INcredible - given the Obama deficits, and the dems desire to spend every nickel they can conceive of. The only reason ANY independents listen to democrats on economics is how insanely stupid and inconsistent the GOP's platform is.

But just close your eyes and keep chanting "change we can believe in" -- soon everything will be wonderful. :roll:
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Re: Democrats facing biggest midterm defeat in 110 years

Postby Plantagenet » Wed 29 Sep 2010, 21:44:59

The dems are doing so much whining that even Obama had to take a break from proclaiming the good news of his deep, personal faith in his savior Jesus Christ in front of every TV camera he could find to tell the dems to stop whining and "buck up."

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Re: Democrats facing biggest midterm defeat in 110 years

Postby PrestonSturges » Wed 29 Sep 2010, 22:51:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'L')udi, don't waste your breath on these guys, they believe nothing, absolutely nothing.

Really? You don't think they believe what they have been led to believe? Personally, I can't tell if they are ignorant, stupid, or evil. If they're ignorant or stupid, then they may be sincere. I like to think the best of people! :)
As near as I can tell, they just enjoy saying these things over and over, because if they wouldn't do it if they didn't enjoy it. It gives them an illusion of understanding something and reduces their feelings of helplessness.
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Re: Democrats facing biggest midterm defeat in 110 years

Postby Cid_Yama » Thu 30 Sep 2010, 04:34:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'P')ersonally, I can't tell if they are ignorant, stupid, or evil.


It's some of all of those.

Remember, half of all people have an IQ of under 100. Education in this country sucks, and those doing the manipulating are definitely pure Evil, with the goal of exploiting the working class, robbing them, as much as possible, of a fruitful and satisfying life.
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Re: Democrats facing biggest midterm defeat in 110 years

Postby Plantagenet » Thu 30 Sep 2010, 11:34:00

The PBS Newshour had a panel of college students on last night.

The general consensus was that the college students were disappointed that they had worked very hard to get Obama and the dems elected in 2008, only to find that Obama's failed economic policies have produced an economic recovery so weak that the unemployment rate for new college graduates is at an all-time high.

The prospect of graduating from college only to beforced to move back into their parent's basements didn't have any of them "all fired up". Even the prospect of staying on their parent's insurance until they were 26 and unemployed down in the basement didn't appeal.

The college students were wondering why Obama doesn't stop boasting about his imaginary "recovery summer" and face reality and change his policies to things that would actually help create jobs? 8)
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Re: Democrats facing biggest midterm defeat in 110 years

Postby Pops » Thu 30 Sep 2010, 11:55:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'T')he general consensus was that the college students were disappointed that they had worked very hard to get Obama and the dems elected in 2008, only to find that Obama's failed economic policies have produced an economic recovery so weak that the unemployment rate for new college graduates is at an all-time high.


Just wondering plant, did you really hear that or are you intentionally spinning what was said?

I heard that kids wonder where O went after the election when they were so fired up to do something but I didn't hear them saying what you did...
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')the pollster guy]
Forty percent tell us they're satisfied with the state of the nation. That's double what it is among people 30 and over. And they're not really rejecting Obama. Most still tell us they approve of Obama. Most think the health care bill was the right thing to do. More tell us that his policies are helping the economy than hurting it.

So this isn't a disillusionment with Obama that's -- or the Democratic Party that's driving this. I think it's just a sense that this election, the case hasn't been made that this election is really important to younger voters yet. They don't say it at the same rate that older folks do.
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Re: Democrats facing biggest midterm defeat in 110 years

Postby Plantagenet » Thu 30 Sep 2010, 12:26:35

Hi Pops. Do you watch the Newshour too? Isn't it great!

Yup...the (democratic) pollster on the panel did try to spin things, but the students themselves brought up the high unemployment rate, students forced to spend years without jobs living in their parent's basements, etc. ---- I don't think these unhappy comments are a plus for the dems, since the dems are in charge of the weak, jobless recovery we are in.

Obama, Biden and John Kerry all gave speeches last week chiding students and voters in general for "whining" and generally being too stupid to not be grateful for the green shoots and the recovery summer and the glorious economic recovery Obama hath delivered to us. Obama and Biden both told democrats to "Buck Up"! ... so that is apparently the "poll tested" phrase that is supposed to inspire students and dems in general to be more enthusiastic about the democrats.

I like it. I support the dems new message: BUCK UP OUT THERE, you stupid voters!!!!!
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Re: Democrats facing biggest midterm defeat in 110 years

Postby Livewire713 » Thu 30 Sep 2010, 13:17:13

Plant you seem to be a expert on "whining". Maybe because thats all you do on this site.
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Re: Democrats facing biggest midterm defeat in 110 years

Postby Plantagenet » Thu 30 Sep 2010, 15:36:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Livewire713', '.').. "whining".......


Didn't you get the message from the Obama and Biden campaign rallies?

Obama says its time for liberals to stop whining and get enthusiastic out there...its time to BUCK UP!!!!
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Re: Democrats facing biggest midterm defeat in 110 years

Postby PrestonSturges » Thu 30 Sep 2010, 21:17:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'T')he prospect of graduating from college only to beforced to move back into their parent's basements didn't have any of them "all fired up". Even the prospect of staying on their parent's insurance until they were 26 and unemployed down in the basement didn't appeal.
Seems to be working out for you.
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Re: Democrats facing biggest midterm defeat in 110 years

Postby Daniel_Plainview » Thu 30 Sep 2010, 22:04:01

Obama’s Stimulus Plan Made Crisis Worse, Taleb Says (Update1)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')y Frederic Tomesco

Sept. 25 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. President Barack Obama and his administration weakened the country’s economy by seeking to foster growth instead of paying down the federal debt, said Nassim Nicholas Taleb, author of “The Black Swan.”

“Obama did exactly the opposite of what should have been done,” Taleb said yesterday in Montreal in a speech as part of Canada’s Salon Speakers series. “He surrounded himself with people who exacerbated the problem. You have a person who has cancer and instead of removing the cancer, you give him tranquilizers. When you give tranquilizers to a cancer patient, they feel better but the cancer gets worse.”


Today, Taleb said, “total debt is higher than it was in 2008 and unemployment is worse.”

*** Governments globally need to cut debt and avoid bailing out struggling companies because that’s the only way they can shield their economies from the negative consequences of erroneous budget forecasts, Taleb said. “Today there is a dependency on people who have never been able to forecast anything,” Taleb said. “What kind of system is insulated from forecasting errors? A system where debts are low and companies are allowed to die young when they are fragile. Companies always end up dying one day anyway.”

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2010 US elections

Postby Ludi » Sun 17 Oct 2010, 16:00:36

I just got a flyer from my county's Republican Party and they included a comparison of the platforms of two parties.

So here ya go, according to my county Republicans:
"Republican
Taxes Against
Gun Control Against
Abortion Against
Universal Health Care Against
Capital Punishment For
School Prayer For
Term Limits For
Balanced Budget Amendment For

Democrat
Taxes For
Gun Control For
Abortion For
Universal Health Care For
Capital Punishment Against
School Prayer Against
Term Limits Against
Balanced Budget Amendment Against"

The ones that have me scratching my head are Abortion and School Prayer. Nobody is "for" abortion. Prayer is legal in school as long as it isn't organized or led by the staff. I've never heard that Democrats don't want kids praying in school.

Anyway, I think it's kind of interesting to see what one party thinks of the other. For some reason I didn't get anything from the Dems, so I don't know what they think the Rep platform is...
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Re: Republican vs "Democrat" Platforms

Postby ian807 » Sun 17 Oct 2010, 16:36:13

Oddly, I find myself smack dab in the middle. Does this make me a new radical?
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Re: Republican vs "Democrat" Platforms

Postby Ludi » Sun 17 Oct 2010, 16:41:09

I also share some preferences from each party. I like the idea of term limits and balanced budgets. :)

Though I'm not certain, it seems like even a lot of Republicans would be in favor of some "gun control." Or maybe not, maybe they think "keep and bear arms" means being able to have tanks and rocket launchers, I don't know. 8O
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Re: Republican vs "Democrat" Platforms

Postby Oakley » Sun 17 Oct 2010, 18:30:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I') just got a flyer from my county's Republican Party and they included a comparison of the platforms of two parties.

So here ya go, according to my county Republicans:

"Republican

Taxes Against
Gun Control Against
Abortion Against
Universal Health Care Against
Capital Punishment For
School Prayer For
Term Limits For
Balanced Budget Amendment For

Democrat

Taxes For
Gun Control For
Abortion For
Universal Health Care For
Capital Punishment Against
School Prayer Against
Term Limits Against
Balanced Budget Amendment Against"

The ones that have me scratching my head are Abortion and School Prayer. Nobody is "for" abortion. Prayer is legal in school as long as it isn't organized or led by the staff. I've never heard that Democrats don't want kids praying in school.

Anyway, I think it's kind of interesting to see what one party thinks of the other. For some reason I didn't get anything from the Dems, so I don't know what they think the Rep platform is...



I think joining one side or another leaves you inside the box. You simply argue with others over which part of life you want government to rule. Republicans and Democrats are simply anti-freedom because they both are simply pro-government. Most of government is plunder and control; very little is the protection of freedom. When one Party is in control they attack one type of freedom, and when people become more and more miserable under their rule the other Party is voted in for it to attack another type of freedom. Eventually we arrive at totalitarianism.


Eventually we will reach the point where sufficient numbers realize government is destroying our lives, and there will be an uprising. What will facilitate an uprising will be the collapse of the industrial age for want of energy to fuel it. At that point, the dunderheads who support and serve government will have not much advantage over ordinary people. If you look at the forces of nature that will be at work, there will be a disadvantage to centralized government and an advantage to localized organization, just as there will be a disadvantage to those dependent on centralized food production. Dieoff will force many rearrangements in our lives for those who manage to survive.
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