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Re: $111 oil?

Unread postby threadbear » Sat 16 Aug 2008, 01:06:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kiwichick', 'P')ATC when everyones selling thats a good time to start looking. as warren buffett says its like being an oversexed guy in a whorehouse. you don't know where to start first!!!

Not in the commodities market. Much more complex.
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Re: $111 oil?

Unread postby TheDude » Sat 16 Aug 2008, 01:19:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', 'A') lot of dumb schleps wandered in here in the spring and summer, bought into the commodity bubble at its peak, and got reamed. The "experts" in this forum should be taken out back and tarred and feathered.

Pot calls kettle black. Oil Price Predictions (very large)
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he main problem with peak oiler thinking is a failure to understand the demand side. Peak oilers like to think of oil as oxygen, but it's really more like cigarettes -- a bad habit, hard to quit, but not really necessary.

And now that a pack is down a buck we'll be all the more likely not to light up? If you had a town of 1000 people representing the OCED only about 50 wouldn't be looking forward to their next Camel, if I was to take your flawed analogy to its conclusion.

Fact is there's only so much transition that can happen at once, which you refuse to admit or consider relevant, instead blogging about an electric tractor you saw on YouTube. Give me some real production statistics vs. possible rate of decline and we'll talk.
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Re: $111 oil?

Unread postby threadbear » Sat 16 Aug 2008, 01:31:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PeakingAroundtheCorner', 'W')here is the absolute bottom. I read here somewhere that it's $110. But here we are just one dollar from breaking that supposed limit. Are we completely discredited now? What is causing oil to go down? What happens below $110? Will people begin buying SUVs again? Almost everything I've read here in the past months is now being smashed. How much money have you lost in this process?

No such thing as an absolute bottom. Discredit who? There is no consensus here to be discredited, so you'd have to cherry-pick in order to answer "yes" to your question. I haven't lost a dime as I don't gamble that way.

MD, There are plenty of posters on this forum who have been completely blindsided by the drop. Face it--people on this forum tend to get emotionally attached to a point of view and won't entertain alternative, opposing, or more complete interpretations of the price dynamics of oil. Anyone logging in in the past few months, and taking the more strident voices seriously has gotten whacked.
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Re: $111 oil?

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Sat 16 Aug 2008, 01:34:41

JD, Ive made a bunch of money on moving oil prices watching and playing with USO and also airline stocks. Its like shooting fish in a barrel if you've been really paying attention here.

The folks who buy the "bubble" stuff or have waited until recently to buy are always the last place finishers. You have to do your own decision making and learn to be just a bit ahead of the curve. Sometimes your wrong, but with the wealth of knowledge and information sources here it hasn't been very hard to be just in front of the "too little too late crowd".

I bought USO at 47, sold most of it at 135 and im waiting patiently to jump right back in again very, very soon! Ive made money on the airline stocks too just watching the potential moves in oil. Those stocks are like puppets being pulled by oil price strings.
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Re: $111 oil?

Unread postby BigTex » Sat 16 Aug 2008, 02:23:32

Something else to think about is that part of the drop in the price of oil has been the inexplicable appreciation of the dollar, which has gone up about 8% in the last couple of weeks.

If the dollar had stayed where it was at a couple of weeks ago, oil would presumably be at least 8% higher in dollar terms, or about $123. A drop from $145 to $123 doesn't look all that dramatic, really.

That's still pretty expensive for the rest of the world.

It's hard to say where we go from here, but I think that the punishment that has been delivered to the oil services sector is completely off the mark. Those companies are going to have MORE business with oil closer to $100 than $150 per barrel, because there should be more economic activity in general at the lower price.
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Re: $111 oil?

Unread postby ReducedToZero » Sat 16 Aug 2008, 03:39:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'J')D, Ive made a bunch of money on moving oil prices watching and playing with USO and also airline stocks. Its like shooting fish in a barrel if you've been really paying attention here. The folks who buy the "bubble" stuff or have waited until recently to buy are always the last place finishers. You have to do your own decision making and learn to be just a bit ahead of the curve. Sometimes your wrong, but with the wealth of knowledge and information sources here it hasn't been very hard to be just in front of the "too little too late crowd". I bought USO at 47, sold most of it at 135 and im waiting patiently to jump right back in again very, very soon! Ive made money on the airline stocks too just watching the potential moves in oil. Those stocks are like puppets being pulled by oil price strings.

Impressive on USO....
I got in at $100 but I dont think we're going to see $47 ever again... I see myself way long and plan to buy more if it drops to $75 or so.
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Re: $111 oil?

Unread postby dohboi » Sat 16 Aug 2008, 03:48:47

Dude, I love that graph. The take home message is that you can always win by going directly contrary to whatever Yergin is saying. I just can't believe this guy is still in business and that anyonew still listens to him. So he wrote a neat book two decades ago. His track record over the last decade shows him to be consistently clueless both about price rise and price drop. Sad indeed.
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Re: $111 oil?

Unread postby KevO » Sat 16 Aug 2008, 07:38:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PeakingAroundtheCorner', 'W')here is the absolute bottom. I read here somewhere that it's $110. But here we are just one dollar from breaking that supposed limit. Are we completely discredited now? What is causing oil to go down?

a looming US election and a McCain victory-we all know it

I think Bush and Co will need to get the oil down to the 80's or 90's to be whoop whooped and secure a McCain win so I guess that's where oil will go and gas prices with it. Then Bush will say that the offshore drilling and Alaska will keep prices falling and so everyone can buy hummers again. SA/Opec will keep production steady meaning a glut for the yanks come November and the US of A is a happy nation for thanksgiving.

It ensures one thing, that the cliff will be massive, sudden and drastic. be sure to get this ASAP
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Re: $111 oil?

Unread postby Buggy » Sat 16 Aug 2008, 22:05:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Buggy', 'I') am completely disgusted by the fat, bloated, sweat pants wearing, wal-mart shopping, suv driving bottom dwellers in America. I am done with porked out, bloated, loud mouthed wenchbags hollering at their obese piglets in shopping lines. I long for an era where there are more good looking women than fat, nasty and smelly. Let the die off begin.
Ever been to West LA?

Not in a looong time. Say, you stashin' all the hotties for the homies? That aint' right. We got cellulite wrapped in cellophane here in the mid-section. But I guess you got the petroleum product filled over the shoulder boulder holders out there.
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Re: $111 oil?

Unread postby Buggy » Sat 16 Aug 2008, 22:10:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KevO', 'I') think Bush and Co will need to get the oil down to the 80's or 90's to be whoop whooped and secure a McCain win so I guess that's where oil will go and gas prices with it. Then Bush will say that the offshore drilling and Alaska will keep prices falling and so everyone can buy hummers again. SA/Opec will keep production steady meaning a glut for the yanks come November and the US of A is a happy nation for thanksgiving. It ensures one thing, that the cliff will be massive, sudden and drastic. be sure to get this ASAP

That's funny. Do you really think who the president is matters? Presidents don't run this country. Never have. Money and the mob. That my friend, is the American dream.
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Re: $111 oil?

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Mon 18 Aug 2008, 07:18:55

dohboi,
Reminds me of the old definitions of recession (when your neighbor loses his job and depression (when you lose your job).

rocdoc -- I see it in a similar light as you. As long as the KSA doesn't use whatever excess capacity it has to underbid prices with the other oil exporters they effectively have control over the market. It's not an absolute and immediate control (other short term factors have their impact). After the KSA suffered from the demand destruction and subsequent competion among OPEC members I like to think they'll moderate oil prices to maximize their benefit while not completely knocking the legs out of the world economy so as to not spawn a repeat of 1986 $10 oil.
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