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Zombie-filled Death Ships
“Each passenger’s carbon footprint while cruising is roughly three times what it would be on land.“
In 1996, the late essayist David Foster Wallace described his excursion on a cruise liner as a “special mix of servility and condescension.” He exhaustively journaled every event, person, and feeling during a seven-night, all-inclusive voyage. In “A Supposedly Fun Thing I’ll Never Do Again,” he found it insulting that in the name of pampered luxury you are told what to eat, what will entertain you, what will relax you. No matter how many unlimited shrimp and lobster buffets, Wallace found the repetition so banal as to be infuriating.
When a ship docks for a few hours, cruise lines give passengers suggestions of what to do with their time before returning to the boat. But instead of offering sincere recommendations, cruise lines employ a certain pay-to-play model in which vendors on the island can pay to be recommended.
By registering their companies in foreign countries, cruise lines are able to dodge not only corporate income and property taxes but also labor, environmental and insurance laws. Carnival earns $3 billion yearly and pays zero income tax because they are registered in Panama. For Carnival, Panamanian minimum wage laws cost it from $1.22 to $2.36 per hour, high by industry standards. Royal Caribbean is incorporated in Liberia where the minimum wage is $4 to $6 per day. Norwegian Cruise Lines is registered in Bermuda, where there is currently no minimum wage. According to CruiseCritic.com, crew members in housekeeping or food and beverage may only get $2 a day. Tips make up 95 percent of their income.
All of that is really inconsequential compared to the real horrors of the 30-million passenger, 100-billion-dollar industry, where building an 8–figure ship can pay itself back in as little as 5 years, after which it’s all profits. Each ship has the pollution footprint of a small city, nearly unregulated and unpoliced.
Instead of paying for more expensive but less sulfuric fuel, such as liquefied natural gas, ships are installing “emission cheat” systems, called scrubbers. A scrubber allows a ship to wash cheap fuel and meet the IMO requirements, then discharge the pollutants from the cheap fuel into the ocean.
The two most popular cruise lines, Royal Caribbean and Carnival, both received a D score from environmental advocacy group Friends of Earth, which tabulated the score based on sewage treatment, air pollution reduction, water quality compliance, and transparency.
— Aditi Shrikant, vox.com
The volume of wastes these floating cities produce is large — sewage; wastewater; hazardous wastes; solid waste; oily bilge water; ballast water; and sooty, sulfurous air pollution. Cruise ships can emit as much particulate matter as a million cars every day and the air quality on deck can be as bad as the world’s most polluted cities. Researchers found that the air on the upper deck of the Oceana Rivera, downwind from the boat’s funnels, had 84,000 ultra-fine particulates per cubic centimeter, about a third the concentration measured directly above the stacks. Air quality in London’s busy Piccadilly Circus, using the same recording devices and found 38,400 ppcc. That 84,000 reading is closer to what you might find on a hot day close to the center of smog-choked Delhi or Shanghai.
Pampered passengers produce up to 7.7 pounds of consumer waste per person per day, from supersoft toilet paper to plastic water bottles. Many ships shred their plastic to save space, but some take advantage of the difficulty in monitoring ocean microplastics to discard it with treated sewage and greywater. Because cruise ships tend to concentrate their activities in specific coastal areas and visit the same ports, their cumulative impact on a locality can be significant. In US coastal waters, the Coast Guard has regulations prohibiting the discharge of oil or oily mixtures into the sea within 12 nautical miles (22 km) of the nearest land, except under limited conditions. However, because most cruise lines are foreign registered and because the rule only applies to foreign ships within U.S. navigable waters, the regulations have little effect on cruise ship operations.
In 2015, the MV Zenith, owned by a Spanish subsidiary of Royal Caribbean, dropped anchor near a reef off Grand Cayman. Actually, it was more like “dragged anchor.” The anchor chain “draped across the entire reef, constantly moving back and forth.” The damage was immeasurable. In 2017, MV Noble Caledonia ran aground on an Indonesian reef, removing 1,600 square meters – about 17,200 square feet – of coral. Were it not that corals are declining worldwide due to climate change, the reef might repair itself in 100 years. Now the damage is permanent on any timescales humans can fathom. And these are only among the incidents we know about.
What cruise ships are really about is legal rape of the environment by the wealthiest countries and their one-percenters. Each passenger’s carbon footprint while cruising is roughly three times what it would be on land.
Overpaid or financially independent, the average cruise taker is not a pensioned postal worker, but a 30- to 39-year-old pulling down a high five- or low six-digit annual salary. In wealthy countries where governments tell their citizens to fear and revile other peoples and places, cruise lines offer the illusion of secure vacation travel. If you don’t want the risk or hassle of booking hotels, rental cars, tour guides and restaurants in unfamiliar destinations with a language you don’t speak and a culture you little understand, or care to, then for about the same price as an economy flight and all-inclusive resort you can get all that taken care of and have the security of familiar, unchanging culture constantly surrounding you. So what if your unchanging culture is the worst form of throwaway consumerism? So what if it is killing sea birds, whales, and dolphins? So what if you are flouting the Paris Agreement (which cruise lines finagled their own special exemption to)? So what if by purchasing your ticket you enter a tacit agreement to end homo sapiens evolutionary line this century? You only live once, right?
Tell that to your grandchildren.
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133 Comments on "Zombie-filled Death Ships"
Mitch on Mon, 11th Mar 2019 3:35 pm
Opinions are like assholes Real Green.
Everybody has one.
Real Green on Mon, 11th Mar 2019 3:43 pm
Mitch (JuanP) I really appreciate the opportunity to educate a Miami Beach Playboy Punk who lives in the most grotesque of environmental and social nightmares. Maybe my education will turn your life around:
Real Green on Mon, 11th Mar 2019 3:43 pm
We have such a complex civilization now that it is difficult to pinpoint sources of decline effectively except in broad generalizations. It is clear through science we are in a trajectory that is symptomatic of a general decline phase. Systematically we could call it an undulating plateau of growth along with waste and decay. Human civilization has grown so large and complex that it is clear depletion and diminishing returns of technology and also network management are at boundaries of effectiveness in general but not necessarily in detail. Areas are undergoing constructive change. Destructive change has opened up some new niches of growth. It is clear we are still growing although not all the growth can be considered healthy and productive. A significant amount is malinvestment and waste but the amount of real and productive growth is still powering us through with some impressive results both technologically and with resource utilization.
The effect on the planet is not good. At this point with so many people and so much affluence the planet is in localized failure and overall general decline. This is well known through science. It is thought by academia and scientist we can choose a low carbon footprint and dramatically reduce this human planetary decline. I don’t think it is possible until the narrative changes. Ugo hints at this at the end of this article. We should move quickly towards renewable with the hope behavior catches up. What else can we do?
When looking at what behavior is needed I would offer a “REAL” green approach. This is based on less affluence. It is based on less people. It also points to means testing technology in this regards. It means if we are going to utilize low net energy sources like biomass, solar, wind and permaculture food then we must adjust our technology accordingly. Yet, herein lies the catch 22 of the situation we are in. Our global economy is a very brittle but robust economic engine. It can produce and is stable so long as we keep it maintained with the essentials. If you start talking “REAL” green in this circumstance you are going to disrupt the engine of growth that will produce the needed technology of renewables. So in effect the engine that will give you the technology that is essential to transition away from fossil fuels is also the engine that is killing the planet and leading human civilization on a trajectory of unsustainability. So it is clear “REAL” green will likely never catch on as a basis of a narrative of late stage capitalism and the liberal “individualistic” democratic structures that support globalism.
“REAL” green can influence the local environment. “FAKE” green is green technology with traditional status quo values. Most all of us greens are “FAKE” to some degree and don’t even know it. Not necessarily “FAKE” green by choice but by circumstance. A significant amount are delusional “cake and eat it” greens. “REAL” green is to be embraced relatively and moderately or it can destroy you. Small groups and localized communities can embrace it. Yet even at these micro levels this embrace must be in addition to the efforts of the global. The world has been delocalized and all locals are now dependent on the whole to varying degree so you can’t transcend this reality but you can coopt this status quo. It is difficult because of the competitiveness of this global system but when done properly you are outcompeting the status quo by applying nature based wisdom. Nature will support you. Wisdom in this case is not knowledge or technology to get ahead via status quo. It is knowledge to pick and choose what will offer a degree of sustainability and resilience with a system in general decline. It means looking longer term in some ways but also immediate with finding a way of life locally and as much as possible with less energy. This equates to less affluence in the current social narrative but with more planetary wisdom.
So this is about playing along with the status quo game of life as narrated to us but at the same time opting out where possible and establishing a new sub narrative. This is about yielding and avoiding where possible the destructiveness of the status quo relatively because you are stuck with it. It is also about acceptance that the current system is like the ice sheets earlier humans dealt with. They moved and adapted according to this reality. You can do the same in regards to our global civilization. The basis of this movement is localism but this does not mean abandonment of globalism. It just means value and investments are to be made locally and it may require some globalism to do that. This is also about the basis of meaning or myth. This is even a deeper conviction than the status quo social narrative delivers. In this case “REAL” green calls on participants to embrace the planet first and foremost. This does not require reinventing your higher power. If you do that you may just go into spiritual drift. It is about focusing on the land, water, and sky first this then flows to you, family, and community.
We can begin the changeover to the new world order enforced by the planet. You can do this now and you do this locally. You do this with less affluence but more planetary wisdom. This is about salvaging the best of the new and old and applying this to your hybrid local. It is about triaging out the destructive elements of the current civilization that are everywhere. In fact if you do nothing else this “REAL” green movement is about getting the deadwood out of your life that is the clutter of this late stage civilization. Once you clear many of these distractions away clearer thinking results.
So to wrap this up the transition away from fossil fuels and towards renewables is really about behavior and acceptance. At some point our way of life will hand off to the new way and when that happens there will be a shock of some kind. You can help manage that shock period of change. It is a process now and it is manageable but that could end abruptly at any time. It is the degree and duration of this transition you should be thinking about.
mitch-the-tard-aka-fmr-paultard on Mon, 11th Mar 2019 3:45 pm
mich
don’t you see the nonstop trolling by supertard
make it stop!
Mitch on Mon, 11th Mar 2019 4:10 pm
I am not JuanP stupid.
Real Green on Mon, 11th Mar 2019 4:43 pm
Wow, aren’t you the fucking clever clogged. You need an education as bad as JuanP. You are about as fake green as they come.
Real Green on Mon, 11th Mar 2019 4:54 pm
Oops, sorry for losing my shit again everyone.
Pete Bauer on Mon, 11th Mar 2019 6:52 pm
Water vessels use more than 3 million barrels of fuel / day and currently they use high sulfur fuel which is very dirty.
Starting from 2020-01-01, they have to use fuel that is much cleaner which means they could blend the marine and bunker fuels with Methanol which is much cleaner. The business cannot keep fouling the planet forever. They better clean up.
Methanol is derived from natgas, coal and wood.
https://igpmethanol.com/2019/03/01/the-biggest-change-in-global-fuel-regulations-since-leaded-gas-went-away-could-cause-price-shocks/
Anonymouse on Mon, 11th Mar 2019 6:58 pm
I like your rambling word salads, and your zerohedge cut and pastes hidden behind tinyurls Real Green. We need more quality cut and pasters like you here. Hopefully you are not into anti-murikan extremism, sock-puppeting, or generally acting like a dumbass 24/7. That would be bad. Our moderator really comes down hard on that sort of shit. He is an impoverished humorless, isolated loner, with no sense of humor, decency, and in fact, may not even be human. But, he strikes fear into the hearts of anti-amerikan extremists and dirty illegal aliens everywhere…at peak oil.coms….. (un-registered commentators division) anyhow.
Welcome to peak oil.com Exceptional Green.
Just one thing we would like to know first though.
What country are you from friend?
annonymouse-the-tard-aka-fmr-paultard on Mon, 11th Mar 2019 7:23 pm
anontarded
the flood gate is open
attack supertard harder!
makati1 on Mon, 11th Mar 2019 7:27 pm
Anon, why does Real Green sound so much like a Missouri Jackass we both know? Even down to the long comments that no one reads? Just askin’.
Pete Bauer on Mon, 11th Mar 2019 7:38 pm
Finally there is a love affair between OPEC+ and American Shale.
Its very simple. OPEC will tell all the shale producers to cut 10% or else they will pump extra and flood the market and force the shale out. So the shale guys have to oblige.
Now OPEC+ found a way to take control over the oil market.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-11/opec-to-break-bread-with-shale-rivals-in-houston-for-3rd-year?srnd=premium
Real Green on Mon, 11th Mar 2019 7:59 pm
This is for the useless anonymouse that serves no purpose, maybe his life will take a turn and he will show some humanity:
I agree we may have been able to partially solve our current problem if we would have started in earnest around 1970. Where the above article goes astray is the belief that fake greens are right and status quo is wrong. Fake greens are wrong too. They want to change via technology with a “happy clean” feel. This is BS. Behavior is the problem across the spectrum both with status quo denial and fake green hooey. What the fake greens don’t tell you is the cost of the destructive change ahead. They do not want to admit the damaged goods that is our late stage capitalistic global system is barely holding together let alone go through dramatic change. No, it is all about fancy tech and pristine environment ahead if you follow them.
If we were real green then real change would happen but make no mistake it will be a dangerous and painful experiment because of overpopulation and over consumption. We are at boundaries of collapse so any and all efforts will pressure that boundary. A break will likely leave the system unable to transition and we don’t know where that weak point is exactly. To continue with what we have to maybe transition may kill the climate. You are not going to produce a transitional global economy based upon fantasy of sustainable development by developing when development is the problem. You can do a variety of things that all have negative consequences. You can try to do what does the least amount of damage but then you are choosing sides because any direction affects some more than others. That means some force and authoritarian has to be at least considered. Corruption must be exposed and all must sacrifice.
Real green calls for localism and less consumption. Population must be less so draconian population efforts would have to occur. Real green calls for permaculture but also a gradual phase out of industrial agriculture. You can’t stop feeding people and expect the system to still hold together and permaculture cannot now because so much has been lost and the population is too large. Real green calls for a rejection of technology based transition and calls for a behavioral based transition instead. This means wisdom will determine what technological efforts fit into an overall degrowth scenario. Real green acknowledges that these changes are more destructive than constructive so the already damaged goods that is the global economy may not survive. If this late stage capitalistic global economy does not hold together than the whole effort at technology and behavioral change will be thrown into disarray. This is why education of the population is so important and it is why very careful efforts must be made through wisdom.
The last part of “Real” real green is an acknowledgement that these necessary behavior changes will not happen. Some may happen here and there ad hoc but the needed changes are more than is capable in our current civilization of cooperative/competition at this late of a stage. Real green then calls for an escape pod for individuals and communities. This then becomes a micro effort at the grass roots level of prepping for the inevitable collapse of civilization at some point once the collapse process runs its course. This means localized and individual efforts that create micro transitions and transformations. Not all locations can approach a transition of sorts. A transition of sorts would be a local that can reboot post collapse in some way. Some can only transform for an inevitable break up. Some places have no future, effort or not but there still should be prep for less pain. Real green says now while things are working is the time to get the deadwood out. It is the time to change behavior and prepare. It is also a time if you are happy then to enjoy that happiness to its fullest because we are close to painful and dramatic times. Many in the world are already in painful times this talk is less for them. It will soon be the relatively “well off” time for pain.
There are some great technologies coming out. There are many great efforts but they will ultimately fail because the behavior is not there and population and consumption are in overshoot. Overshoot is too powerful to overcome at this point but it can be manage on the way down by some. Fake greens still want affluence and status quo and this human nature is not going to change so there will be no top down progress. Diminishing returns are everywhere with efficiency gains and technology. Behavior is going in the wrong direction.
Real green calls for relative sacrifice and salvage of the new and old. It calls for triage of bad behavior and physical clutter. It calls for the individual and small community to do this yielding to greater forces that cannot be beaten. If calls for whenever possible remaining under the radar and deflecting approaching trouble to garner and maintain strength IOW don’t piss away your strength on lost causes. It also involves basics of security and the readiness to battle when the home turf is attacked. Real green is about acceptance and the stoic activity of the walking dead. Not that you should be sad in this behavior. It is about accepting the end of what we have and something that will be ahead. It is likely a rebirth will not be for any of us but we can lay the foundation of what might be a rebirth. That is the best it gets for a future and meaning. It is about the truth and the heroics of following the truth in the face of dramatic and destructive change.
Real Green on Mon, 11th Mar 2019 8:01 pm
“Anon, why does Real Green sound so much like a Missouri Jackass we both know? Even down to the long comments that no one reads? Just askin’.”
Wow, another fucking clever dumbass. LMFAO.
Real Green on Mon, 11th Mar 2019 8:29 pm
Oops, sorry for losing my shit again everyone.
I’m such a miserable old fart.
Davy on Mon, 11th Mar 2019 8:36 pm
Wow, this Real Green dude sounds really messed up.
Real Green on Mon, 11th Mar 2019 8:41 pm
“What country are you from friend?”
I would never give out personal information on an Internet forum. You never know when somebody might show up at your door with a loaded gun, especially in this insane country. That would be a really stupid thing to do.
Real Green on Mon, 11th Mar 2019 8:43 pm
“Wow, this Real Green dude sounds really messed up.”
STFU Davy.
Stupid dumbass
Davy on Mon, 11th Mar 2019 9:12 pm
All my ex wifes recommended I get councilling.
Maybe they were on to something?
Sorry for being so insensitive RG.
Real Green on Mon, 11th Mar 2019 9:28 pm
Shut up dumbass, dont force me to neuter and castrate your extremism. My preferred method of castration, often involves subjecting you to long, boring, self-congratulatory essays. And that is just for openers. I know I am new here Davy, but you dont want to make me angry.
Mitch on Tue, 12th Mar 2019 1:23 am
Forum Administrators,
Could we please give Davy and Real Green their own thread, so the rest of us can exchange opinions and ideas without all of the mindless bullshit?
mitch-the-tard-aka-fmr-paultard on Tue, 12th Mar 2019 1:57 am
mitch, coax aswange to fight supertard trolling harder.
do not deplatform supertard like a abominable libtard.
come to the light,respect the constitution like a tard and a former paultard
Dredd on Tue, 12th Mar 2019 8:22 am
The ship of state cruises with a despotic minority crew (How To Identify The Despotic Minority – 9).
fmr-paultard aka Davy on Tue, 12th Mar 2019 10:27 am
The fact that I self-identify as a retarded person says it all.
fakesupertard-the-tard-aka-fmr-paultard on Tue, 12th Mar 2019 1:25 pm
oh ok guys, you want me to fight supertard. i see through you. i’d rather neder and matako fight supertard. i care about mission creep and i’m not going to be pulled into too many fights at once. i’m way smarter than fuhrer who opened fronts against ussr and britain at the same time.
fakesupertard-the-tard-aka-fmr-paultard on Tue, 12th Mar 2019 1:48 pm
fuhrer was not smart. he was under heavy influence of drugs all the time that makes him a druggie and that i hate the most. i once got convinced that drugs are good for me, not anymore. i hate it when they talk so slowwwwww due to heavy smoking. i appreciate people who talk to slow to get a point across but drug slow i hate.
when fuhrer got his forces spreaded out too thin and lost he blamed on (((supertards))). never take responsibility and always externalize your costs.
fmr-paultard on Tue, 12th Mar 2019 7:52 pm
Hi, my name is Davy. You may have seen my character in a real movie called “Sybil”.
My retarded alter-ego is fmr-paultard. This personality lets me revert to my childhood when I spent lots of time eating lead paint and sniffing gasoline. That’s is why I bounce around from supertard to fuhrer to druggie to heavy smoking to talking slowwwww.
Goooo supertards.
Antius on Tue, 12th Mar 2019 10:02 pm
The US appears to be heading for all out civil war.
https://tinyurl.com/y3hl4je3
White America has transitioned from being a wealthy and confident majority middle-class; to a broken and downtrodden people, close to losing control of their own country. All of it egged on by the Jew controlled Democratic party. When these people realize that they have nothing to lose, they will eventually take up arms.
Cloggie on Wed, 13th Mar 2019 12:01 am
“The US appears to be heading for all out civil war.”
Americans are going to find out the hard way that you can’t sustain a civilization by crying “racism!” and “natzi!” around the clock. You can very well destroy it.
Any serious civilization is mono-racial. Multi-racial societies are a setup to civil war and genocide. The only way for a multicult society to prevent genocide is the installation of a dictatorship. That will be the drama in the US. In continental Europe the right will take over soon.
Yesterday in Holland:
https://www.geenstijl.nl/5146701/politie-paraat-voor-marokkaanse-invasie-urk-geenstijl-nog-steeds-snitch-in-de-chat-comms/
In the very conservative Dutch fisher village of Urk, a Moroccan family had been molested by a group of young Dutch. In response, Moroccans from all over the country had used social media to gather in Urk and take revenge. A masdive brawl took place. Only massive mobilization of police could prevent massive violence. Church in Urk on fire:
https://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/7643435/30345c71/ondertussen_op_urk.html
https://www.telegraaf.nl/video/3282492/kijk-mee-grimmige-sfeer-op-urk
A day in the life of the hated, American imposed multicult. Won’t last that long anymore. The West is going down and facing its own 1989. PBM is next.
Cloggie on Wed, 13th Mar 2019 12:31 am
“Buchanan: How Middle America Is To Be Dispossessed”
Jewboy Paul Krugman in 2014:
https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2017/09/27/paul-krugman-white-americans-are-losing-their-country/
“A lot of the craziness comes from cultural/ethnic issues—rural White Americans who feel they are losing their country, and they are right. They are losing their country. In the end, the power they now have will go away, but it’s a very difficult and dangerous time until then. The future is represented by Mayor Bill DeBlasio of New York, “but Ted Cruz of Texas is still out there.””
You can’t get it any clearer than this. Krugman admits in a shabby Norwegian hotel room that white America needs to be made powerless.
Hitler was right. If you don’t throw them out of your country, they are going to use the underclasses (white communists, darkies) to destroy society and turn it into a bolshevik hell hole. Just listen to our resident kiken-monster mobster what they have in store for white America.
Krugman was afraid that Ted Cruz would lead a last white attempt to escape the jew-planned destruction of white America. It turned out to be Trump.
If white America doesn’t seize the opportunity of the Trump presidency and organize an armed insurrection, in order to create a white republic on former US soil, it will be too late. The google and facebook jews have accurate profiles of every white nationalist with an attitude, info the Soviet Czeka could only dream about. What will follow is rapid decapitation of white America by the left.
Davy on Wed, 13th Mar 2019 12:55 am
“The US appears to be heading for all out civil war.”
Zerohedge articles are all bullshit unless they support my pro-amerikan ZOG agenda, Anti-US.
Everything on the hedge that is Anti-Asian, Anti-European, and Anti-every other country on the planet Earth, is the truth.
dumbass
Go Speed Racer on Wed, 13th Mar 2019 12:55 am
Greetings Pete B., well I figure we need
ships that run on garbage. They could have
a dual cargo hold that is 50% cargo,
and the other 50% is garbage. They would
load up in the big city.
When they have arrived at the destination
port, all the garbage would be burnt up.
They wouldn’t need no stack scrubbers or
anything, because all that black smoke
is happening at-sea.
Also they could throw the ashes over the
side of the boat.
Net result? Fuel at negative cost.
People charge money to get rid of garbage,
so they could actually make money
on their fuel supply, rather than
pay out for it.
And the most-fun job in the world
would be stoking the boilers with
old tires and old beer coolers,
they wouldn’t have to pay any hourly
labor cause they would get volunteers
for free.
If U would like to invest into my
business plan for boosting profits of
deep-sea shipping, call my broker
on 5th Avenue in Chicago.
We are issuing shares to fund the
business and we need your life savings.
Go Speed Racer on Wed, 13th Mar 2019 12:57 am
Hi Clogster,
ha ha ha, the triple K is designing the
driverless cars. It steers clear of
white people and runs over people with
darker skins.
I didn’t know the triple K was smart
enough to write software code.
But gosh golly gee, they finally did it.
Cloggie on Wed, 13th Mar 2019 2:51 am
US stewardesses against Boeing 737 Max 8:
http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soziales/boeing-737-max-8-us-flugbegleiter-sprechen-sich-fuer-startverbot-aus-a-1257532.html
Volkswagen to get rid of 7000 employees: “e-vehicles are far easier to assemble than gasoline cars”:
http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/volkswagen-streicht-bis-zu-7000-stellen-a-1257552.html
EU for a dilemma: what to do with Britain? Raab-Barnier-deal is as good as dead. Nothing is to be expected from Westminster to escape from the impasse:
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/reaktionen-auf-abstimmung-eu-politiker-halten-brexit-deal-fuer-tot-a-1257529.html
The only way out would be a referendum. The problem is: what to ask the public? Serious candidate questions:
1. Remain
2. Barnier-Raab
3. No-deal
4. Norway
5. Canada
All five? The problem is: 4 and 5 can’t be asked because it needs to be negotiated with Brussels first.
I used to be a fan of referendums and it DOES work in Switzerland, where they have referendums several times a year. Consequence: Switzerland is a conservative, VERY inward-looking country, that wants to have to do as little with other countries as possible.
But Britain? Britain is the opposite of Switzerland. Britain is “blessed” with an imperial past and is extremely globalist. Everybody with half a brain on this planet speaks English. It has a seat in the Security Council.
The only real way out would be a referendum with 1, 2 and 3 on the ballot. Most votes win. Likely outcome: Remain, because the Leave vote would be split over 2 and 3. Perhaps Remain would win if only 1 and 2 would be on the ballot.
If no referendum will be proposed, it is even thinkable that the EU will keep the honor to itself and throw the UK out of the EU after March 29. Perhaps that in five years time some Norway deal could be hammered out with England, as Scotland and Northern Ireland could have left the UK.
Not Davy on Wed, 13th Mar 2019 5:38 am
JuanP
Davy on Wed, 13th Mar 2019 12:55 am
Davy on Wed, 13th Mar 2019 5:41 am
“White America has transitioned from being a wealthy and confident majority middle-class”
Nonsense, I live here and can tell you that is not true. In some way and places being white and male is now a disability but those areas are not the whole country.
Davy on Wed, 13th Mar 2019 5:45 am
“A day in the life of the hated, American imposed multicult. Won’t last that long anymore. The West is going down and facing its own 1989. PBM is next.”
Bullshit, you Europeans have embraced multicult as much or more than Americans. It was your colonization and drive to Europeanize the world that is your problem now not the Americans. I say this because only some Americans are Multicult extremist. Racism is wrong and Nazis are criminal. What a whiner.
Cloggie on Wed, 13th Mar 2019 6:04 am
“Bullshit, you Europeans have embraced multicult as much or more than Americans.”
Yeah, just like Eastern Europeans after 1945 “embraced communism as much or more than Russians”.
Your hypocrasy is breathtaking, you stinking dipshit. There is reason why you never want to discuss history in detail and prefer to resort to repeating the platitude lies of empire.
But I sense your weakness very well and that soon we can ram colonizers and mass murderers like you, back to the prairie, where yoh belong.
“Racism is wrong and Nazis are criminal.”
Racism as in “a preference of your own kind” is universal. Only greedy US oligarchs who want to own a world without borders and identity, claim otherwise and you identify with those criminals.
How many US cities fid the Germans bomb?
How many US woman did Germans rape?
How many US pows did Germany kill?
How many killed US jews did the Germans falsely accuse the US of?
Asking the questions is answering them.
The Americans were/are the criminals, not the Germans, who were attacked by the entire world, to begin with by the Poles.
But there is no way f* like you can escape CW2/WW3.
Davy on Wed, 13th Mar 2019 6:11 am
“Germany’s Merkel welcomes idea of European aircraft carrier”
https://tinyurl.com/y2evkekc yahoo
“She noted that Germany and France are already working together on a future European combat aircraft. She said that “the next step could be to start on the symbolic project of building a common European aircraft carrier” to underline the EU’s global security role. Merkel said Monday that “it’s right and good that we have such equipment on the European side, and I’m happy to work on it.” But she added that “we have to do other things as a priority.”
Cloggie on Wed, 13th Mar 2019 6:11 am
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6802855/No-deal-Brexit-tariffs-revealed-Car-prices-rocket-1-500.html
“Hours before MPs vote on stopping no-deal Brexit, ministers reveal stinging tariffs Britain would slap on European products if UK crashes out – but say they’d OPEN the economy to 87% of global goods and there’d be NO Irish border checks”
Expect EU-UK trade to come to a grinding halt in case of a no-deal Brexit. Expect a 1939-spirit to revive in Britain. Expect an iron curtain to descend on the Channel. Only this time it is UK vs Eurasia, rather than Germany vs the world.
Only a new referendum can stop this, or a civil war.
Cloggie on Wed, 13th Mar 2019 6:13 am
““Germany’s Merkel welcomes idea of European aircraft carrier”
Stupid woman. We do not need “symbolic carriers”, we need cheap mach20 missiles to destroy expensive symbolic carriers of the enemy.
Davy on Wed, 13th Mar 2019 6:13 am
Your emotions are breathtaking, clogged, this is because I am right. LMFAO You whiners always have to blame others for your won deeds. Yea, I agree the US has pushed multicult but you dumbshits have too. I know I lived in Europe and seen it. I have European friends that are highly educated and are part of the trend. You are a fake and a fraud.
Davy on Wed, 13th Mar 2019 6:15 am
“Stupid woman”
It was your hero macron who is pushing it dummy
Davy on Wed, 13th Mar 2019 6:23 am
“IEA 2018 World Energy Outlook: Peak oil is here, oil crunch by 2023”
https://tinyurl.com/y3bek6z9 energyskeptic
“Preface. I’ve been working on a post about the latest IEA 2018 World Energy Outlook report, but the excerpts from the cleantechnica article below states most clearly why there is likely to be a supply crunch as soon as the early 2020s and the investment implications.”
“This excerpt is in Spanish translated to English by google. It shows a civilization crashing 8% decline rate that the IEA hopes will be brought to an also civilization crashing 4% rate with new oil drilling projects.”
https://tinyurl.com/y57uw9ff
“How is this alarming graph interpreted? According to the text, the red is what they call “natural decline” and corresponds to how oil production would decrease if the companies did not even invest in maintaining the current wells; As explained in the report, it is 8% per year. The pink area corresponds to the “observed decline” and is what the IEA inferred how production will actually decline if companies invest what is needed for the correct maintenance of the current deposits. This decline corresponds to 4% per year. If new deposits are not produced, in just 7 years from now we will find that the production is 34 Million barrels per day (Mb / d) below where it is expected that the demand will be, or about 25 Mb / d below the demand much more moderate scenario of Sustainable Development. It is a huge hole of more than 35% of all the oil that is produced today. In the text, the IEA warns us that there is nothing particular to worry about in this terrifying graphic because there will be exploitation of new deposits that will cover that hole to a large extent. However, they warn us, to avoid that hole we would need to find deposits with resources around 16 billion barrels each year…In short: the IEA is assuming…that production in 2025 will be lower than today’s (a deficit of 13 mbd in 2025). In essence, peak oil.”
Antius on Wed, 13th Mar 2019 6:30 am
Davy, I suggest you read the Buchanan article that I referenced. It is extremely obvious that the US is very close to a demographic tipping point. Very soon, white conservative voters will be permanently outnumbered by non-white tribalist voters supporting Democratic Socialists. Tribalism and identity politics matter enormously in this world, regardless of how unpalatable or illogical you personally think they are. The truth simply isn’t what we choose it to be.
At that point, which will arrive very soon, it won’t matter where you happen to live; your central government will be permanently against you and will no longer represent you. You will then have the choice of either declaring independence from it (which means organising and taking up arms) or continuing to live under it and effectively supporting your own extinction. There is no way of sugar coating the very unpalatable fact that demographics have shifted against white America and the Christian values it was founded upon. You can ignore reality if you like, but you cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality. Bit by bit, those consequences are going to arrive at your doorstep in the form of seeping colonisation, unfair laws, heavy taxation and progressive social collapse. So accept reality and plan for it.
Davy on Wed, 13th Mar 2019 6:38 am
“Air pollution deaths are double previous estimates”
https://tinyurl.com/y39nz3er
“The scientists used new data to estimate that nearly 800,000 people die prematurely each year in Europe because of dirty air, and that each life is cut short by an average of more than two years. The health damage caused by air pollution in Europe is higher than the global average. Its dense population and poor air results in exposure that is among the highest in the world. The new research, published in the European Heart Journal, indicates that while air pollution hits the lungs first, its impact via the bloodstream on heart disease and strokes is responsible for twice as many deaths as respiratory diseases.”
Davy on Wed, 13th Mar 2019 6:42 am
“Davy, I suggest you read the Buchanan article that I referenced. It is extremely obvious that the US is very close to a demographic tipping point. Very soon, white conservative voters will be permanently outnumbered by non-white tribalist voters supporting Democratic Socialists. Tribalism and identity politics matter enormously in this world, regardless of how unpalatable or illogical you personally think they are. The truth simply isn’t what we choose it to be.”
Wow, Antius reads one article that supports his racist agenda and he claims it gospel. Where did I say this process was not happening? I live here you don’t. It is not happening everywhere. It is happening in pockets. It is not the extreme situation you extremist want to see. Buchanan writes “some” good stuff but generally he is pandering for readership.
Antius on Wed, 13th Mar 2019 6:47 am
“IEA 2018 World Energy Outlook: Peak oil is here, oil crunch by 2023”
I read this yesterday. To summarise it here: The natural decline rate of oil resources already in production and expected to be brought on line in line with projects presently under development; will reduce global oil production by 25mbpd by 2025. This is 34mbpd beneath anticipated demand at this point. The obvious solution is to drill more wells and develop new discoveries into producing assets. The problem is that discoveries have lagged production for a long time and it no longer appears possible to plug the supply gap by developing the known resources into producing assets. The necessary investments have not been made in any case.
So we face the prospect of a supply shortage, et la peak oil. The problem is, no one quite believes it and no one wants to hear it. It is popular nowadays to talk about peak demand as if this is something that makes peak supply in some way irrelevant. But peak demand is likely to occur because energy shortages force us into deflationary collapse. That is unlikely to be much comfort for people living through the second Great Depression.
Antius on Wed, 13th Mar 2019 7:09 am
“Wow, Antius reads one article that supports his racist agenda and he claims it gospel. Where did I say this process was not happening? I live here you don’t. It is not happening everywhere. It is happening in pockets. It is not the extreme situation you extremist want to see. Buchanan writes “some” good stuff but generally he is pandering for readership.”
One of the classic pieces of denial that people display when facing collapse. Sure things are getting bad in some places, but it’s a long way from where I happen to live, so it doesn’t matter to me.
I see it in my own country when young English girls are raped by Asian gangs. People dismiss it because it is at least 10 miles from where they live and “oh well, that happened in a rough area anyway”. It is how cowards justify sitting on their hands, whilst their countrymen get slaughtered and their ancient lands are stolen.
Elections are a measure of the average will of the populace. And it is precisely that average that is turning against you. Living in a quiet place will only protect you for so long.
Cloggie on Wed, 13th Mar 2019 7:25 am
Tories moving towards no-deal, including pm May:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6803599/Fifteen-Brexiteer-ministers-threaten-QUIT-force-job.html
The vote tonight is at least as crucial as the one yesterday. If no-no-deal is defeated tonight, the split-up of the West is a fact and so is the creation of Orwell’s Oceania, after Trump.
The Russians and Chinese would love it (and I don’t mind either too much).
The Channel will be the next Iron Curtain.