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Why, in a Few Years, Nobody Will be Talking About Climate Change Anymore.
Imagine you are a German citizen living in the early 1940s. Would you know that the German Government was engaged in the extermination of millions of Jews and other ethnical groups? The question is controversial: one interpretation is that Germans couldn’t possibly be unaware of what was going on. But, it is also true that the extermination was never mentioned in the German media. Ordinary Germans might have been aware that the Jews were being mistreated, but they had no way to know the extent of what was going on. In the cacophony of news about the ongoing war, the issue of the Jews didn’t register as something really important. Something similar happened in Italy with the defeat of the Italian army in Russia in 1943. The disaster was never mentioned in the media and it didn’t play a role in the public perception of what was going on.
The propaganda techniques used in Germany and in Italy during WWII were still primitive in comparison to those we have nowadays, but they were nevertheless effective in the field we call today “perception management.” Denying information is called “deception by omission.” A good description is reported by Carlo Kopp.
A prerequisite for Deception by Omission is that the victim has poor a priori knowledge or no a priori knowledge or understanding of what the attacker is presenting to be a picture of reality. A misperception of reality favourable to the attacker can be implanted if the victim can be induced to form a picture of reality based only upon what the attacker presents. .. Deception by omission is a very popular technique in commercial product marketing and political marketing since it permits attacks without resorting to making provably untruthful statements. .. The deception by omission technique is often successful due to laziness or incompetence on the part of a victim population.
Kopp also notes how Deception by Omission is often coupled with two other techniques known as “Deception by Saturation” (saturating the target with irrelevant information) and “Deception by Spin” (presenting correct information in ways that make it favorable to a specific interpretation).
Now let’s see how the technique works in our times. We start with an example: you surely know that the American government is engaged in “Targeted Killing” operations, mainly using killer drones. How many people are being killed? The official data tell of hundreds – at most thousands – of victims. But are these data accurate? They come from sources which already blatantly cheated us and we have no independent sources. I am not saying that the victims could be millions, as they were in Germany during WWII, it is just that we have no idea. We know that people are being killed, but we don’t know how many and, in the tsunami of news we receive every day, we tend to think that this is only a marginal problem.
What’s interesting, here, is how the public perceives the drone wars. Here are some results from Google Trends.
You see how the interest of the public, measured in terms of Web searches, peaked around 2013 to decline afterward. There is no evidence that the number of drone strikes declined, on the contrary, there are hints that they are increasing under the Trump administration. So, a reasonable interpretation is that the interest is declining because the media are mentioning targeted killings less frequently.
There is no easy way to measure the press coverage of a specific event or series of events, but we can use Google trends for an indirect measurement. Here is the same term, “Drone kills” measured in terms of the click on the “News” section of the Google search engine.
We may reasonably assume that every spike in the graph is caused by news appearing in the media, in turn causing people to search for more. So, it seems that the media has become very quiet, lately, about targeted killings. Note that I am not saying that the US government controls the media in the same way as the Nazi government did during WWII. But the US government does control the source of the news. If the government doesn’t provide news about something (or provides only scant news) then the journalists have little to show to the public. If the subject doesn’t often appear on the media, the public loses interest in it. And if the public loses interest in something, journalists are even less motivated to write about it. It is a feedback loop: we may reasonably suppose that it is what we are seeing in the case of the targeted killings program.
Let’s see now how the same mechanism may be at work in the case of global warming and climate change. First of all, here are some results from Google Trends.
Here, we don’t see the same evident decline in interest we saw for the case of “drone kills,” but I think it is reasonable to say that there has been a detectable decline during the past year or so (note that the 2017 spike corresponds to Trump’s announcement that the US would withdraw from the Paris Climate Treaty). This interpretation may be confirmed by the most recent Gallup poll. Again, the declining trend is still uncertain, but it seems to be there. In March 2018, Americans were less convinced that climate change is a threat than they were in 2017.
Other data from the same poll indicate that the change is mainly caused by a decline in the number of “concerned” people, while the fraction of skeptics and lukewarmers remains approximately the same.
So, what’s happening? The most likely explanation is that it is the result of the Trump administration is using deception by omission. There is no doubt that they are muzzling scientists and scientific agencies and Trump himself has been silent on climate change despite his many tweets. Nowhere the strategy administration is clearer than with the story of the “red team/blue team” debate on climate proposed by the former EPA administrator Scott Pruitt. The idea was soon nixed by the administration, correctly if seen in the framework of a deception by omission strategy. If there had been such a debate, no matter which side could have given the impression of being right, the public would have perceived climate change as an important issue.
Now, of course when discussing these matters one always risks to be branded as a conspiracy theorist and ignored. But we don’t have to think that some people collected in a secret room to plan dark and dire things against us. It is just that ignoring climate change is in the best interest of several sectors of society. The current elites either don’t believe that climate change is a serious problem or, if they do, they have decided that their best chance is to work to save themselves, letting the rest of us starve, sink, or burn (I call it the Kiribati Effect). Then, for many industrial lobbies, acting against climate change means losing money. In all cases, the logical strategy for them is to ignore the problem – at least in public.
It is not even so difficult to deceive the public on climate change. We are all subjected to “doomsday fatigue” and most people just can’t seem to be able to keep their attention on something that changes slowly over the years. And we are all sensible to deception by omission. The result of the combined action of the government and of this common attitude is a “palpable ratings killer” for all the news regarding climate change. I hate to cite the abominable blog by Anthony Watts, but he has been correctly noting the same trend. And even Watts’ anti-science blog has been hit by deception by omission! It is a steamroller of propaganda that squeezes away from the debate everything that deals with climate change.
So, we may well be seeing an epochal shift in the public perception of climate change. The end of the world will become old news, as noted by David Wallace-West. Any hope to avoid that? Not easy: it is a nearly impossible battle to be fought against the combined forces of the government, the industrial lobbies, and of the public’s apathy. At the very least, we should realize that there is the serious risk of losing it. That is, we may be facing a future in which the very concept of “climate science” will become everyone’s laughingstock (do you remember what happened to “The Limits to Growth“?). It will be an epochal defeat for science.
Certainly, the denial of climate change is taking place against a background of increasing temperatures and the associated climate disasters — events that would seem to be difficult to ignore. But, in practice, they are ignored. What would we need to push people out of their apathy? Giant fires? We are having them. Scorching heatwaves? Here you go. Droughts? Sure. None of these events are having an impact on the public’s views on climate. Imagine that, in a few years, we will see the Arctic Ocean free of ice in Summer. Can you imagine the reaction? Ho-hum, yes, the Arctic Ocean was free from ice millions of years ago. Climate changes all the time, you know?
We are playing, it seems, with a doomsday version of the story of Goldilocks and the three bears. A climate catastrophe that’s too small will not have any effect on people’s views, but if it is too big it will be too late to avoid a disastrous Seneca Cliff for the whole human civilization. We would need a catastrophe just big enough — but it is at least unlikely that the Earth’s climate will nicely provide us with it.
At the very least, we should recognize that we have been doing something wrong in terms of managing the public perception of climate change. Then, we need some kind of “plan B”. Any suggestions?
Cassandra’s legacy by Ugo Bardi
93 Comments on "Why, in a Few Years, Nobody Will be Talking About Climate Change Anymore."
Shortend on Mon, 30th Jul 2018 3:53 pm
What amazed me was Trumps State of the Union
Speech. In his opening remarks he pointed to various climate disaster, later claiming they put the federal budget out of wack.
Ignoring the science community reason for the severity of these events.
We are witnessing a dark period of human collective consciousness.
dissident on Mon, 30th Jul 2018 6:14 pm
Trump and the US are not the center of the universe. Americans love to think that they are the pinnacle of humanity, but they are not. Climate science is not going to die just because some US politicians think it should. The EU will still be a research hub as will be Japan and other countries.
Also, the reality of climate change will come in succeeding waves of greater intensity. By 2050 even US politicians will not be able to deny it.
Sissyfuss on Mon, 30th Jul 2018 7:22 pm
I think their deniability will be smashed along with a crescendo of heat records long before 2050, Dissident.
MASTERMIND on Mon, 30th Jul 2018 7:48 pm
dissident
Nobody on earth is going to be alive by 2030..Let alone 2050..
https://imgur.com/a/pYxKa
peakyeast on Mon, 30th Jul 2018 8:14 pm
In the U.K. the Jews amount to about 1% of the population, but they control about 20% of the power. In the pre-nazi germany this ratio was probably even “worse”.
However, it is likely they may deserve that ratio due to their intelligence. However, it is also likely that they misuse that power for their own ethnic group as accused of. – After all most tightly knit ethnic group does that.
Makati1 on Mon, 30th Jul 2018 8:50 pm
“perception management.” In common speak,is brainwashing. A rampant disease in America today, evident in the comments of Americans, even on this board.
Now back to your regularly scheduled “programming”. LMAO
dave thompson on Mon, 30th Jul 2018 9:05 pm
When we get an ice free arctic no one will be around to talk.
Permavillage on Mon, 30th Jul 2018 10:10 pm
Gail Tverberg says:
July 12, 2018 at 6:32 am
Whether distant or not, there is essentially nothing that humans can do about climate change. The things we can do may or may not work in the way we intend, because of the interconnections within the economy. We know of a few things that might be helpful, like planting trees.
https://ourfiniteworld.com/2018/07/11/the-worlds-weird-self-organizing-economy/comment-page-3/#comment-180136
Shortend on Mon, 30th Jul 2018 10:29 pm
Gail Tverberg is a denier and tolerates and even encourages the same in the comment section of her so-called blog.
She also censors comments pointing errors in her and others positions.
DNot the first time she claims “can’t do anything”.,Pretty much that is her stance in every topic. Yawn
energy investor on Mon, 30th Jul 2018 11:29 pm
I am amazed at the gullibility of the public (and people like Shortend who haven’t done in-depth study of the issue) on the subject of climate change.
AGW is real insofar as we pollute, burn and heat our surrounds; but with only 0.041 of one percent of CO2 in the atmosphere, CO2 is just a trace gas.
It is essential to all living things on Earth.
There is absolutely no evidence that increased atmospheric CO2 causes warming after 35 years of BS. Nor is the Arctic ice melting YOY. Nor is the Antarctic ice melting YOY. Nor is the ice mass on Greenland melting YOY.
Get yourself a raw satellite image of the Arctic and Antarctic. You will see the reality. Look at the reports from the Danish Met on the Greenland ice budget. Accept the truth.
With more polar bears in the Arctic than ever this year, together with more ice, the myth that it is too much open water killing the bears is ludicrous. It is mostly bigger bears and guys with guns they fear.
The rate of sea level rise is unchanged since pre-industrial times and the growth of coral has always kept up with the rise. Why should there be any change to this?
The reality is that the “Eddy Grand Solar Minimum” has begun. If any preparations are to be made is is against a colder winter, not a hotter summer.
Americans should be proud that their president now knows what Putin, Xi, Modi, Abe and most other leaders know. The Paris Accords were a rip-off with Modi only agreeing to restrict CO2 to three times current, Xi agreeing to restrict it to twice current emissions before 2030 and Abe wanting to build 6-8 more coal fired power plants.
Has the Southern hemisphere snow gone this winter? Nope it is more extensive than ever, yet no-one is allowed to talk about all-time record low temperatures in a media world dominated by socialist dogma.
Have some sympathy at least for the migratory birds in East Greenland that cannot breed this year as their habitat is covered in 3ft of ice and snow.
Try checking the facts for yourself.
The head of the UN’s IPCC is just another emperor wearing no clothes.
Makati1 on Mon, 30th Jul 2018 11:51 pm
Energy, denial is a disease in capitalist America. It seems that you have contacted it. You need to see a reputable environmentalist.
Makati1 on Mon, 30th Jul 2018 11:52 pm
BTW: Energy, how about some sources for your “facts”? Opinion is one thing, but can you back it up? No? I didn’t think so.
duh on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 12:17 am
The holocaust was an utter failure. The nazi lucifarians only managed to starve a million degenerate kabalic satanists. Hopefully the next one will be a success.
Shortend on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 1:08 am
Energy Investor claims in his post
“The rate of sea level rise is unchanged since pre-industrial times and the growth of coral has always kept up with the rise. Why should there be any change to this”
Sorry, but …
jack dale
jack dale FL77 7 months ago
5) Over the past 5000 years the average rate of sea level rise was much less than 1 meter per millennium (1 mm/year), as shown by geologic markers on coastlines. In the past century tide gauges at coastal cities reveal a larger rate of sea level rise. The second chart below shows that sea level rose about 2 mm/year during 1920-2000.
Satellites began to measure sea level precisely in 1993. Since then sea level has been rising about 3.2 mm/year. This rate is equal to just over one foot per century. The impact of such sea level change is substantial, yet the concern is that far greater sea level rise will occur this century if the major ice sheets disintegrate.
http://www.columbia.edu/~mh…
Energy Investor best check the data
Antius on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 2:32 am
There are geoengineering options that could mitigate the effects of climate change, such as sulphate aerosol injection into the stratosphere. Basically, you pump liquid sulphur to the top of a mountain and burn it into sulphur dioxide.
Not an ideal solution for reasons such as ocean acidification. But it is something that could buy us time.
Antius on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 2:39 am
I have yet to read this article fully. But I am often disgusted by human beings in leadership positions for exactly the reasons posited here. Faced with a problem like peak oil or climate change, they devote resources to controlling the information rather than mitigating the real problem. Like all sociopaths, politicians have enormous egos and ambition and are more interested in protecting their positions than in actually helping. Everything they do ends up being PR related and aimed at pulling the wool over our eyes, rather than proactively dealing with real problems.
Makati1 on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 3:39 am
Antius: Likely it is the fact that there is no way to “mitigate” climate change, only to try to adapt to it. If we stopped burning FFs today, it would be forty years before the effects would be obvious and, by then, it would be too late. We went over the extinction cliff long ago and are just waiting for the SPLAT.
Most people, especially Americans, don’t want to know. But, soon, it will be too blatant to ignore. And, too late.
If you think it would really make a difference, stop ALL of your use of FF energy today. Sell your car(s), and walk. Grow your own food. Make your own cloth and clothing, shoes, etc. If you are an American, you consume five times your share of the world’s resources. Go back to your fair share, or less. Be an example, not a hypocrite, and stop pointing the blame at others.
Davy on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 4:59 am
“The Paris Accords were a rip-off with Modi only agreeing to restrict CO2 to three times current, Xi agreeing to restrict it to twice current emissions before 2030 and Abe wanting to build 6-8 more coal fired power plants.”
Well, at least you got one point right. Maybe a solar minimum is coming. How lucky for us yet you are ignoring other issues. The carbon cycle and the Hydrological cycle are at the top of important planetary cycles and we are forcing them with CO2 and land changes. Oceans have warmed and so has the Arctic. In fact it has been the oceans that have delayed the inevitable abrupt climate changes. The ocean is taking less heat as it warms and now this heat will go somewhere. You are ignoring these changes as if it is nothing. Maybe the warming is arrested some for natural reasons but the instability will be dramatic because we have change important climate influencing fundamentals by our activity. Anyone trying to talk that one away is an idiot. Civilization developed because of agriculture. What happens to civilization if agriculture is not possible as we know it in a climate altered world?
Davy on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 5:03 am
“Energy, denial is a disease in capitalist America. It seems that you have contacted it. You need to see a reputable environmentalist.”
Billy 3rd world, I think Energy investor is from New Zealand not the US. It is funny how you immediately default to American when you take issue with a comment.
Davy on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 5:13 am
“If you are an American, you consume five times your share of the world’s resources. Go back to your fair share, or less. Be an example, not a hypocrite, and stop pointing the blame at others.”
If you are Asians stop the overpopulation with draconian measures. Tell China to stop producing CO2 that is double the US amount.
https://tinyurl.com/nb6a2aj
Antius on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 6:41 am
“If you are an American, you consume five times your share of the world’s resources. Go back to your fair share, or less. Be an example, not a hypocrite, and stop pointing the blame at others.”
I am not an American. But with respect, individual action is almost pointless because the high environmental impact of wealthy living standards stem from the systems that we have. There is no effective way of opting out for most people. They are stuck in the system and meaningful change requires systematic change, before individual change is even possible.
Davy on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 7:07 am
The above comment is objective and balanced. We are stuck with the competitive human nature of blame and complain. Trying to eliminate this natural human tendency is like asking for peace on earth but trying to moderate it should be a goal here on this board where so many extremist inhabit. If this board is going to be relevant then we should reduce the extremism and enhance the objectivity. The topic we discuss are now more important than ever. Energy, systems, population and climate problems don’t sleep. In fact the combination of these problems appear to be the most pressing human predicament. These topics represent the trend of entropy in our civilization. How long can the status quo hold should be a major focus here. Blame for these causes has a place but the emotional tabloidism and gaudy sensationalism serves us no purpose. Turn on the TV to get your fill of that.
JuanP on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 8:31 am
Davy “The above comment is objective and balanced.”
ROFLMFAO! Where would we be without the board’s moderator and qualifier?
Davy on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 9:07 am
boney juan, when do you decide to be boney joe or you? I am waiting for a real comment out of you or your sock puppet too so I can document it for future reference. Talk about a mental case. The other day you showed just how disturbed you have become. Untreated mental illness is progressive and rarely improves on its own. Sometimes it can be managed. In your case it is in full blown destructive phase.
GregT on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 9:35 am
“I am waiting for a real comment out of you or your sock puppet too so I can document it for future reference. Talk about a mental case.”
Nobody cares about your little documentation project Davy.
Talk about a mental case.
GregT on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 9:44 am
And Davy,
There is nobody on this forum with the username boney juan. Boney Joe and JuanP are two different people.
Your delusion that they are the same person, is right up there with your delusion that there is a Goony Gang. Both are obvious symptoms of your own paranoia.
Davy on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 10:03 am
“Nobody cares about your little documentation project Davy.”
Ah, you do because it hits you extremist where it hurts and that is the demonstration of your intellectual capabilities over your excessive trolling activities. There is a big difference and I am exposing it.
Here is your last attempt at a comment grehgor, which was in reality just a copy and paste point you have overused dozens of times:
“1.GregT on Fri, 27th Jul 2018 1:10 pm “The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function.” Albert Bartlett (RIP) Fiat money, created out of thin air, and loaned into existence with interest attached, requires infinite exponential growth, or it will collapse in on itself. Infinite exponential growth in a finite environment, is a mathematical and physical impossibility.”
Davy on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 10:09 am
“There is nobody on this forum with the username boney juan. Boney Joe and JuanP are two different people.”
STFU, grehgor, anyone with a brain knows boney juan is boney joe so what you are doing is your usual enabling of bad behavior. You are one of the primary regular member that is responsible for the promotion of bad behavior and extremism. In this respect you are the most disgusting regular board member. You delight in gang censorship and anti-American trolling.
“obvious symptoms of your own paranoia.”
Spare me your lame drama. You are such a boring stupid guy that tries to be so hard hitting. What you do is make yourself look like the fool you are. Say something you intellectually weak bastard that we can debate. Man you are a worthless mind.
GregT on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 10:20 am
“Ah, you do because it hits you extremist where it hurts and that is the demonstration of your intellectual capabilities over your excessive trolling activities. There is a big difference and I am exposing it.”
The only thing that you are doing Davy, is exposing your dysfunctional state of mental health.
You are not moderating an unmoderated discussion forum Davy. That would also be another one of your paranoid delusions.
GregT on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 10:23 am
“STFU, grehgor, anyone with a brain knows boney juan is boney joe so what you are doing is your usual enabling of bad behavior.”
Can you in all honesty not understand how absolutely insane your above comment is Davy?
You need help buddy.
Davy on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 11:27 am
grehgor, you can’t stand the fact that your group censorship effort fell flat on its face. You guys had your fun and got cocky. You lost and I am still here. BOO HOO YOU. LOL. Grehgor, you are a disgusting person that tries so hard to be respectable but deep down you are rotten to the core.
Davy on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 11:32 am
“The only thing that you are doing Davy, is exposing your dysfunctional state of mental health. You are not moderating an unmoderated discussion forum Davy. That would also be another one of your paranoid delusions.”
I am exposing your dysfunctional state which is pretty evident by your multiple stupid empty comments devoid of intellectual content. I am achieving moderation or you would not have your panties in a wad whining like a bitch. Learn the context of talking about paranoid delusions, stupid. You talk like an adolescent kid out of context just for drama. You really are noise grehgor. You have said absolutely nothing today but whine, troll, and grunt noises.
GregT on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 12:11 pm
This is an unmoderated Internet discussion forum Davy.
You are not moderating anybody. Simply more of your usual paranoid delusions.
Get help.
Anonymouse1 on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 2:13 pm
Juan does not need to resort to sock puppeting to make you like a dumbass, dumbass. And even if he did, Juan is the type of person that would come right out and tell everyone he was sock puppeting you.
You otoh, DO sock puppet, because you have no friends, and the only place you could find a ‘friend’, was to start creating them out of thin air. And your ‘friends’, only do two things. Call Mak, ‘Madcat’, just like you do, OR, they drop by, slap you on back and tell you what an awesome organism you are.
Dumbass.
JuanP on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 2:30 pm
Davy “boney juan, when do you decide to be boney joe or you? I am waiting for a real comment out of you or your sock puppet too …”
I am waiting for you to make sense! LOL! I think it is time to do the rounds and make sure all the board’s comments are up to your standards. Your sock puppet and multiple personality projections are hilarious.
Anonymouse1 on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 2:40 pm
PSA: ‘Energy Investor’, is (another) one of nonytards sock puppets.
MASTERMIND on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 2:53 pm
‘You’d have Trump waterboard Putin?’ -CNN
CNN guest suggest Putin should be waterboarded!
Davy on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 3:18 pm
“I am waiting for you to make sense!”
Unlike you bonehead, I didn’t lose it on stage like a fool. LMFAO. Come on boney juan you are a mess and what was once a pretty balanced guy is now a screwed up individual. I am waiting for you to make a comment too. You, asperger, and grehgor struggle with actual contributions. You guys give us copious amount of troll bait. Troll bait is not even entertaining when it gets to the level of the three of you obsessively gumming up the board. SAD
Cloggie on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 3:45 pm
CNN guest suggest Putin should be waterboarded!
Will never happen. The grapes are sour for the impotent fake media swamplings. They are going doooooown… hard
#Timber!
https://i.redd.it/qg3tk2eyuhqz.jpg
Get them Donald!
GregT on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 4:21 pm
“Unlike you bonehead, I didn’t lose it on stage like a fool. LMFAO. Come on boney juan you are a mess and what was once a pretty balanced guy is now a screwed up individual.”
There is nobody on this forum with the usernames bonehead, or boney juan, Davy. JuanP is still the same balanced guy that he always was, and you yourself were messed up to begin with, and continue to be more messed up by the day.
You are one severely messed up individual Davy, in dire need of psychological intervention. Get help buddy, before you hurt yourself, or God forbid, somebody else.
Davy on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 4:21 pm
A Corrupt News Network pandering to fake news junkies will broadcast nonsense like that.
Davy on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 4:26 pm
Man, Greggor calm down you act like this is all getting to be too much for you. Grehgor, repeat after me “this is the Internet and not something I should slow to cause my life to become dysfunctional. There, you are welcome grehgor. Now go play in the greenhouse where you can be useful to the wife.
onlooker on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 4:26 pm
A Corrupt News Network — All the News networks in the US are corrupt!
GregT on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 4:29 pm
“A Corrupt News Network pandering to fake news junkies will broadcast nonsense like that.”
US mainstream media, pandering to the American people, has always broadcast nonsense like that, and it isn’t only the news that is full of nonsense.
Now back to your regularly scheduled programming……
Davy on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 4:41 pm
Ah, ok but how many have guest who talk about waterboarding the leader of a nation that is a major power? That does not happen much but something we have come to expect from the Corrupt News Network.
Cloggie on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 4:41 pm
In the book “Hitler’s Willing Executioners” (1996) Daniel Goldhagen argues that the Germans couldn’t possibly have missed that their government was exterminating the Jews and other ethnical groups. But it is also possible that most Germans were misled by the technique of “deception by omission” played on them.
The other possibility, namely that the Germans didn’t notice anything, for the simple reason that nothing happened like the Alllies alleged happened in their Stalinist victors show trial in Nuremberg, creating the moral patina to cover up for their own crimes, while busy colonizing Europe, is probably a bridge to far for mr Bardi, who perhaps is not that Italian as his name suggests.
The most important aspect about real justice, as defined in Roman Law, is that the judge must be impartial:
https://floridaprobate.lexblogplatform.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/206/2014/02/blindjustice.jpg
That obviously was not the case in Nuremberg and for that reason the entire outcome of that pack of Anglo-Soviet lies should be trashed at the first opportunity, namely at the Soviet-style end of the US empire, the timing of which will probably be slightly correlated with president Trump stepping down from office, for whatever (t)reason.
MASTERMIND on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 4:50 pm
CLogg
There will be no civil war in the world..it will soon be neighbor attacking neighbor..It will be total war..and anything goes..you better hit the gym soon you tubby lard ass..
lmfao!
Cloggie on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 4:57 pm
There will be no civil war in the world..it will soon be neighbor attacking neighbor..
They guy who is called millimind for a reason, has difficulties understanding that a civil war by definition is a war between neighbors.
#KindergartenDropout
MASTERMIND on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 5:03 pm
Fox & Friends First reports on violence “spilling across the border into Baja California” from Mexico (Baja California is a Mexican state)
https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2018/07/31/fox-friends-first-reports-violence-spilling-across-border-baja-california-mexico-baja-california/220854
Joseph Goebbels has nothing on Murdoch’s media empire..
MASTERMIND on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 5:07 pm
clogg
Europe Economic Growth (GDP)
1973 5.4 %
1989 3.3%
2001 2%
2016 1.6%
2028 0% = Economic Collapse
Source: Harvard
Political Instability and Economic Growth – (Alesina, 1996) Journal of Economic Growth
https://www.scribd.com/document/384373317/Political-Instability-and-Economic-Growth-Alesina-1996
Source: World Bank
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.KD.ZG?locati&locations=EU
See ya sucker!