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‘We’re going to be okay’: Humans not destined for extinction
Between melting ice caps, water scarcity. and a warming climate, the future of humanity can sometimes look grim.
Scientists have long warned of a mass human extinction event and many believe that things have taken a turn for the worst. The iconic doomsday clock currently sits at 2½ minutes to midnight (the closest its been since the beginning of the Cold War). Meanwhile, a recent study from the University of Barcelona asserted there was a 13 per cent chance that humans don’t make it out of the 21st century alive.
But despite all the doom and gloom, scientist and former NASA astrobiology chair David Grinspoon says there might not be so much to fear.
“The human race is not credibly threatened with extinction,” he told host Robyn Burns on CBC’s All Points West ahead of his guest lecture at the University of Victoria.
“We’re going to be okay — but we’re going through a very difficult transition.”
Overpopulation does not pose a significant threat as the human population should eventually decline, says Grinspoon. (James Cridland/Flickr)
Overpopulation
Grinspoon recently penned Earth in Human Hands — an in depth look at how humans have shaped the Earth over millions of years.
He says that through his decades of research, some trends stand out that should actually be causes for optimism.
The Earth’s stabilizing populations are one of those causes.
“All of the best projections show population peaking and then leveling off later this century, and fertility is declining for the right reasons,” he said.
While billions of humans live in poverty, Grinspoon says increased economic development and rising standards of living would slow population growth. He expects the world’s population to peak at about 10 to 11 billion before the end of the 21st century
He admits the prospect of feeding that many people is daunting, but trends suggest the number would soon start to decline.
Climate change remains the biggest threat to humanity, says Grinspoon. (Wang Zhao/AFP/Getty Images)
Climate change
If the population does eventually decline, so to will the effects that humans have on the planet, meaning humans could inhabit the Earth for longer, says Grinspoon. However, he says the true challenge lies in minimizing the damage that’s already being done.
“The overall biggest issue we face is the threat of climate change and our need to transition our global energy systems into ones that do not wreck the natural systems that we depend upon,” he said.
But Grinspoon is also optimistic on this front. He says current investments in wind and solar are just the starting point of an energy revolution.
“There’s no way 100 years from now we’ll be dependent on fossil fuels.”
Investments in wind and solar energy will prove to have economical benefits, said Grinspoon. (CBC)
Grinspoon points to economic incentives that favour renewable resourcs. He cites China’s ‘green revolution‘ as an example of why it’s in the best interest of countries to reduce their carbon foot print.
“[China is not switching to renewable energy] because they suddenly became global altruists — it’s because you can no longer breath in Beijing, so they’re shutting down coal plants and investing in solar and wind.”
He admits that humanity needs to pick up the pace in order to stave off further effects of climate change, but firmly believes humans are in a state of transition.
“The 21st century is going to be rough and tragic in some ways, but its also true there’s going to be a 22nd, and a 23rd century.”
74 Comments on "‘We’re going to be okay’: Humans not destined for extinction"
dkb on Fri, 17th Mar 2017 5:52 am
Tribes inhabiting the Amazon will be ok. If you reside in Nunavut, you’ll be ok, if you live in the taiga somewhere in Siberia, you won’t feel threatened. If you are living in White Horse in the Yukon, life might change some, but you will probably weather it all with few problems.
If you live on the east coast of the US with the rest of the millions there, life could become a real struggle if systems begin to fail.
Population overshoot in places like India and China, the entire Pacific rim, would succumb to die-off. All of Europe will be and is in turmoil. In other words, the green shoots have emerged, the nascent stages of overshoot have arrived.
If you live 150 miles north of Saskatoon, you will never notice a thing if it all goes south.
11,000,000,000 people in 2100 need to be born first.
By 2100, just about everybody alive today will be dead and gone.
The 11,000,000,000 in 2100 will be on their own.
If they are there, that is.
twocats on Fri, 17th Mar 2017 6:00 am
wow… wow. Do not try and bend the [grin]spoon reality. That’s impossible. Instead… only try to realize the truth… there is no [grin]spoon reality.
Davy on Fri, 17th Mar 2017 6:10 am
WTF, as anonymous said in an earlier comment “uncut hopium”. I am not sure how to address this. I could just piss on it and say “you pussy grow some balls” or I can lie and say “child yes, it will be OK”. We are at that point in time of our species where we have to address honesty and then chose what our values are and then finally use wisdom to make proper decisions. That revolves round the truth. We have to push our emotions and spirituality off to another discussion. We have to honestly and with science and mathematics show how none of this is adding up. With honesty then we can chose what our values should be in a collapsing planetary system and modern civilization.
Do we want to invest in hospices and lifeboats or do we want to party to the end? IMA, only 1BIL of the 7BIL are at the party. Do we want to try to save our species or live for the here and now and save as many as we can now for a normal modern lifespan? We can try to lift as many as possible out of poverty in modern development as we destroy a planetary system in the process. There are no free lunches here on earth in the 21st century and no cake we can have and eat. There are only trade off at this point in history.
These question put many doors in front of us. Once through these doors there is no turning back. If we chose to open that door to hospices and lifeboats then globalism is over. Market based economies and liberal democracy cannot survive that kind of bad news. We will accelerate decline and collapse with that news but we can also save something. Riding the train to species suicide is another approach we appear to be on at least at the top. We can party large and continue the status quo in techno optimism and a false human exceptionalism. We can do this until we have a spectacular run in with a brick wall of existential limits.
We can’t have proper wisdom until we decide which of these values we want. Are we going short term or long term? Are we going individual or species? Once we decide that then wisdom kicks in with honest decisions. Of course we can’t ask those questions and we won’t find wisdom at the species level. We are a train wreck in progress and in runaway mode. This leaves only you as an individual and or small community to choose your wisdom.
Time is short so get with the picture. Once you honestly chose wisdom then let the emotions and spirituality kick in. Find your higher power and meaning. None of us are getting out of this alive and no one knows what is after. We can be honest with the truth and that is honest with nature and the universe. That is pretty high on the list of higher powers to begin with. After that chose your flavors. Denial is not a higher power.
makati1 on Fri, 17th Mar 2017 6:12 am
“…but its also true there’s going to be a 22nd, and a 23rd century.”
Yep! But will there be any homo sapiens to mark the date? I doubt it. All those places you say will still be livable, dkb, will not be. I am not going to take my time to give you a quick course in ecology and climatology. I suggest you access all of the refs that Ap posts here for an idea why there will be no habitable places left by 2100.
Cloggie on Fri, 17th Mar 2017 7:55 am
Forget the professional doomers. $100/kwh storage has been achieved!
https://www.trouw.nl/groen/batterijdoorbraak-magische-grens-van-100-dollar-is-geslecht~a481b290/
In a few years from $1000 to $100 per kwh storage.
City College NY has improved an old concept of mangandioxide-zinc batteries. Result: 6000 charge-cycles for less than $100/kwh.
(Apparently Euro’s and Asians found a safe space where they could conduct research)
Price storage of a single kwh: 1.67 dollar cent or say 8 cent per day per household. Peanuts.
Can also be used for cars: 40 kwh battery for $4000.
Bye-bye gasoline.
This NYC startup if going to produce them first:
http://www.urbanelectricpower.com/
Doomers are so 2010.
Cloggie on Fri, 17th Mar 2017 7:57 am
The hardcore science behind the storage:
http://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms14424
Summary:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/03/170303091411.htm
Sissyfuss on Fri, 17th Mar 2017 10:39 am
Wow, that’s great, Cloggedbunghole. That means BAU as far as the eye can see through the Beijing smog. We won’t have to inhibit the 6th mass extinction or retard the methane release in the Arctic or the permafrost melt either. Even Gert the Squirt is smiling through his tears.
Cloggie on Fri, 17th Mar 2017 10:44 am
Sissy, have you ever produced, apart from your standard 20 farts per day, anything else but sneers?
BobInget on Fri, 17th Mar 2017 10:50 am
As almost everyone in that human mass picture intended to illustrate overcrowding seemed to be male,
Overpopulation won’t be a problem after all.
Dredd on Fri, 17th Mar 2017 11:13 am
“‘We’re going to be okay’: Humans not destined for extinction”
I guess we were right as teens then.
We considered ourselves to be invincible.
Keep challenging the Establishment because it makes them more real (On Thermal Expansion & Thermal Contraction – 14).
penury on Fri, 17th Mar 2017 11:34 am
Everyone reading this, will be gone. So prove this wrong.
GregT on Fri, 17th Mar 2017 11:57 am
“Climate change remains the biggest threat to humanity, says Grinspoon.”
Well at least Grinspooner got that right, the rest is all tripe. Expecting technology and industrialism to save us from the consequences of technology and industrialism, is nothing short of insane. We are not in control of nature. The longer that we continue to pretend that we are, the bigger the die off will be. We either stop destroying the Earth, or the Earth will destroy us.
Apneaman on Fri, 17th Mar 2017 12:31 pm
Our Foolish Species
“Astrobiologist David Grinspoon, whose book Lonely Planets sits on my bookshelf, has a new take on the Anthropocene, which can be defined as the era of human dominance of the Earth. (Geologists argue about the dating.)
Those few thousands of people (out of 7.4 billion) who understand the importance of maintaining a livable planetary environment regard the anthropocene as a total disaster for the non-human biosphere and, eventually, for Homo sapiens itself.
Not Grinspoon. He is “a senior scientist at the Planetary Science Institute and an adjunct professor of astrophysical and planetary science at University of Colorado. His popular writing has been featured in The New York Times, Slate, and Scientific American, among others. His latest book is Earth in Human Hands: Shaping Our Planet’s Future (2016). He lives in Washington, DC.”
Clearly Grinspoon has been a great social success among the humans.
But, an astrobiologist who lives in Washington D.C? Maybe we’ve identified the problem right there.
Anyway, here we go. Have a bucket handy.”
http://www.declineoftheempire.com/2016/12/our-foolish-species.html
Apneaman on Fri, 17th Mar 2017 12:53 pm
Dave Cohen has done great work combing through the relevant research on “human nature” and with it demonstrating why most humans are psychologically incapable of accepting what the humans have unleashed and what it means for their future.
Adventures In Flatland — Part IV
“The first three Adventures In Flatland essays were written in 2014 and appeared on this blog (DOTE).
Adventures In Flatland
Adventures In Flatland — Part II
Adventures In Flatland — Part III
This essay presupposes that you have read the original, but it would be helpful to read all three. This fourth and final long essay does not review those earlier essays. You’ve got to read them.
I use the term “flatland” in different ways. As a hypothesis, the flatland model posits a set of unconscious core instincts which drive our most important characteristic behaviors. I also use the term as an adjective (e.g. describing those characteristic behaviors as “flatland nonsense”). Flatland as a metaphor implies a 2-dimensional world, where the missing 3rd dimension is human nature itself (all those unconscious processes). Otherwise, the term simply refers to the human condition itself. These various usages will usually be clear enough in context.”
http://www.declineoftheempire.com/2017/03/adventures-in-flatland-part-iv.html
Until and unless one understands how human cognition and emotion works one will never truly grasp why the humans are, where they are and why they can’t be other than what they are and do other than what they do.
Sissyfuss on Fri, 17th Mar 2017 1:39 pm
Cloggterfuge, your hopium gas release is magnitudes higher on the GHG damage chart than my 20 farts. May a 7th century jihadist wrap your sister in a burqa.
Apneaman on Fri, 17th Mar 2017 1:46 pm
CO2 levels and mass extinction events
“The chart below is adapted from a similar graph in Dr. Peter Ward’s book, “Under a Green Sky.” It simply plots all the mass extinction events of the last 500 million years against the best estimate of carbon dioxide levels (CO2) at the time. According to his analysis all major extinctions occurred when CO2 levels exceeded a thousand parts per million (ppm).
” During past periods of abrupt change — the most recent one occurring approximately 50 million years ago — it took roughly a million years for CO2 to change by one hundred ppm. Thus it is now changing about 25,000 times faster than in known geologic history.”
http://www.johnenglander.net/co2-levels-and-mass-extinction-events/
Daily CO2
March 14, 2017: 407.29 ppm
March 14, 2016: 404.48 ppm
February CO2
February 2017: 406.42 ppm
February 2016: 404.04 ppm
https://www.co2.earth/
Dr. Peter Ward (Fields: Paleontology, Biology, Astrobiology) on Mass Extinction and Global Warming
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgMMUC6Trrw
GregT on Fri, 17th Mar 2017 2:29 pm
Thanks for another interesting link Apnea!
Adventures In Flatland.
A quote from the first essay:
“There are roughly 7.2 billion humans on Earth, and, roughly speaking, about 10 million of them are painfully aware that Homo sapiens is destroying the biosphere, slowly on human time scales, but in no time at all on the geological time scale. (10 million is a very generous estimate.) Some of those exceptional people, a goodly portion of whom are working scientists, are actively opposing the ongoing destruction, though many are not.”
“Rounding up, those 10 million souls represent approximately 0.14% of the entire human population. The other 99.86% are either actively destroying the biosphere, or indifferent to that lamentable trend (i.e., they are merely current or would-be “consumers” who are thus acquiescing in and contributing to the trend indirectly).”
Obviously, both you and I are in the 0.14%. Explains a lot. Cohen is brilliant, BTW.
Apneaman on Fri, 17th Mar 2017 2:43 pm
The Faster You Go, the Sooner You’re Done
“Civilization, like an airplane in flight, survives only as it keeps going forward”
~ Edward Abbey
“Every civilization reaches its end. In every case, the end is a surprise for most of the inhabitants. In most documented cases, a few individuals sounded the alarm as the proverbial ship was sinking. These people were punished or ignored.”
“Every species reaches its end. In every case, the last member of a species is unaware it is the final version. We are the only species known to be aware of our demise at the level of a species. The few individuals sounding the alarm have been ignored, insulted, or punished.”
https://guymcpherson.com/2017/03/the-faster-you-go-the-sooner-youre-done/
Davy on Fri, 17th Mar 2017 2:49 pm
Opposing the ongoing destruction BS! The only ones proposing solutions would need to talk about a die off the rest are pulling their pud. What are you and ape man doing Greg? Pointing fingers and complaining all I see. Don’t flatter yourself with your Canadian righteous.
Apneaman on Fri, 17th Mar 2017 3:23 pm
Greg, you’re welcome. I love how Cohen turned all their research around on them and pointed it back at them and society at large. In one of those essays there is a quote from one of those human behaviour researchers where they outright reject their own finding because it’s just to painful to contemplate. Which is even more proof of the findings. Denial, story, hopium – that’s what it means to be human. Would not have come to dominate otherwise. For years I wrestled with myself – should I not be warning my loved ones so they can “prepare”? Not for a while now. Let them be. Let them live. I could only speculate what puts any human in the 0.14% bracket, but it’s not access to information. There are no secrets when it comes to this stuff. Like human extinction it’s academic. So there are two groups of folks in Yemen and Somalia who are literally starving today – as I write. I doubt there is even one of them dwelling on the fate of all mankind right about now.
Apneaman on Fri, 17th Mar 2017 3:33 pm
Davy, still struggling with the paranoia and reading comprehension huh? No shame in going back on those happy pills ya know. Do it fer da children.
energy investor on Fri, 17th Mar 2017 5:02 pm
Cloggie, I enjoyed reading your battery links provided above. Thanks for those.
I suspect that as the technology does little to advance the technology beyond notional price and incremental gains, these folks will struggle. They will obviously be in the laboratory for a while as they figure out how to manufacture and then to de-bug their trials.
Aquion was also a fantastic concept, was given similar plaudits and was well funded to USD190 million…yet they went bust. It isn’t alone in that. Hence getting money for battery start ups these days is very difficult.
It looks like it will be a couple of years yet before these folks get to present production capable products to the market and we will then see whether they can make any appreciable difference…or not.
Hopefully they will get repeatable improvements of other kinds in the process of scaling up a pilot plant.
Certainly the world desperately needs superior transportable electrical energy storage capabilities.
These scientists are the heroes of the modern age whether they succeed or crash and burn.
GregT on Fri, 17th Mar 2017 5:51 pm
I found this to be of particular interest Apnea,
http://peakwatch.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83452403c69e201a511e8f640970c-800wi
Helps to explain a lot of the behaviour displayed even on this forum.
GregT on Fri, 17th Mar 2017 6:15 pm
“Certainly the world desperately needs superior transportable electrical energy storage capabilities.”
The last thing that the world needs is for the humans to find another means with which to destroy it.
GregT on Fri, 17th Mar 2017 6:26 pm
“The only ones proposing solutions would need to talk about a die off the rest are pulling their pud.”
There are no solutions to predicaments Davy, and how you managed to somehow turn this into a nationalist pride thingy yet again, is beyond comprehension. (Albeit predictable.)
Davy on Fri, 17th Mar 2017 6:58 pm
Like I said earlier finger pointers and holier-than-thou complainers. It is amazing how you guys pat each other on the back and really think you are a special example of the best of humanity when the reality is you are the problem. Its a west coast Canadian thingy.
GregT on Fri, 17th Mar 2017 7:11 pm
“Its a west coast Canadian thingy.”
Correct Davy. All 4.6 million people living in the westernmost territory of the British Imperial tax farm called Canada, can be painted with the same brush.
I would expect nothing less from someone of your intellectual capacity.
Davy on Fri, 17th Mar 2017 7:25 pm
What’s da matter greger did I call you out exposing your arrogance now you are trying to change the subject. LOL
GregT on Fri, 17th Mar 2017 7:54 pm
gregger is spelled with 3 ‘g’s Davy. Can’t even get that much right. LOL
Davy on Fri, 17th Mar 2017 7:56 pm
your fun greger because you don’t give up even when you lose.
GregT on Fri, 17th Mar 2017 8:09 pm
Instead of acting out like a small child, why not read Cohens essays Davy? You might actually learn something about your identity problem.
GregT on Fri, 17th Mar 2017 9:58 pm
For Davy:
From Cohen’s ‘Adventures In Flatland — Part III’
“In the beginning was the group … this is an empirical truth. It is not only political theorists who “set aside the facts about man’s groupishness,” for it is necessarily true that sociopolitical groups exemplify that very groupishness. Regardless of what sociopolitical group we are talking about, group leaders and followers are not consciously setting aside anything because their own groupishness (or groupiness) lies outside awareness.”
“Group belief systems—ideologies—are always secondary to groupishness itself. Experience tells us that group belief systems needn’t reflect social or physical reality. In fact, group belief systems seem to be arbitrary. Sometimes, they are bat-shit crazy.”
“And if outsiders question these seemingly arbitrary belief systems, group members will defend to the death their truthfulness! As I noted, there is an existential threat in such criticisms—to the group, and thus its members, especially its leaders. In Flatland, intergroup conflict (politics) always appears to be a war of ideas, but the real underlying issue is always the legitimacy and coherence of the group itself.”
“And all this, ladies and gentlemen, is the source of much of the bullshit we encounter every single day in the 21st century. Those in sociopolitical (or socioeconomic) groups routinely distort or disregard reality to promote group objectives. It is normal for humans to do this; this is characteristic Flatland behavior. When such objectives are achieved, prestige and power accrue to the group. Otherwise, the group becomes marginalized and forlorn.”
makati1 on Fri, 17th Mar 2017 11:18 pm
GregT, Davy is a lost case, best ignored. His 1% upbringing is too deeply etched in that narrow brain to be educated. He only sees what he want to see, thru those ‘patriotic’ blinders he wears. Even if he saw mushroom clouds on the horizon, he would claim it was from a neighborhood barbecue, not a war his ‘peace loving’ country brought on. Only the (fill in the blank) country would do things like that.
Cloggie on Sat, 18th Mar 2017 4:06 am
Dave Cohen
Obviously with such an name my “Inner Adol…” um make that “Inner BS Detector” goes on red alert.
Dave who?
His private doomstead is here:
http://www.declineoftheempire.com/
Intriguing name considering his family name.
The chap doesn’t have a wiki page, so apparently he is not really a big light in the IntelloSphere.
Super Dave has a motto, a famous quote from Shakespeare’s tragedy MacBeth (not a quote of the wild genius Shakespeare himself of course):
Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury
Signifying nothing.
He seems to be a self-hating Jew, because he posts this:
http://www.declineoftheempire.com/2011/09/the-dumb-get-dumber.html
Scroll down for the photo-gallery and note the picture of a monkey, followed by a photo list of prominent Jews, apparently representing the Empire that according to Super Dave is in terminal decline.
Now I understand where Friedman-Friday got his vocabulary (“cancer monkey”) from: from Super Dave. Friedman-Friday is a mere clone of his co-tribalist.
It is interesting that Super Dave doesn’t name his site “decline of the world” or “decline of the biosphere”, no “decline of empire”. Because that’s what’s really bothering mr Cohen.
My reading: Super Dave has (correctly) understood that there is not going to be a kosher run global empire and that Anonymouse’ “Jew-knighted States” will fail in its century old objective of conquering the world and that therefor, in a violent attack of the blackest nihilism, the entire world deserves to vanish completely now that the Jews can’t have it.
[snicker]
Well then, it is official. Core elements of the US deep state throw the towel in the ring.
It has been nice knowing you folks. Thanks for:
– Federal Reserve
– Communism and the Gulags
– US WW1 entry creating Versailles
– WW2, Dresden, Hiroshima and Nuremberg
– JFk murder
– 1965 immigration act, destroying white America
– Neocons
– PNAC, 9/11 and Iraq
– Syria
– Ukraine overthrow
Mind the step on your way out.
Multi-polar world is next:
https://s17.postimg.org/6wwnomfpb/worldmap.jpg
Davy on Sat, 18th Mar 2017 4:34 am
“Instead of acting out like a small child, why not read Cohens essays Davy? You might actually learn something about your identity problem.”
Read him already Greg. This is not the first time Ape man has referenced him. Maybe your slow mind took a while to catch on. Been there and done it.
Now, Greg, I called you out because the think you are special. You think you are righteous and have the right to be a prick to others. You have your own little groupie thingy going here. You are an indoctrinated anti-American Canadian hypocrite who for the last 4 years have been a prick to me. I give back to others what they give to me especially assholes.
Davy on Sat, 18th Mar 2017 4:45 am
makati I look forward to when you go to that fantasy farm so your scourge of hate you have been spreading daily here ends. I still will not believe it until you are finally gone. I think the fantasy farm is your ruse to justify you living in the worst possible place in the world for survival. I am waiting patiently for your end. You are a disgusting human and the reason you find a spot here is your particular hate is popular with some. When this board has a few people such as you away this hate declines significantly. We actually have some good discussions with respect. You have no respect for others and your comments are shallow and repetitive lacking depth. So go blow the boyfriend.
GregT on Sat, 18th Mar 2017 10:57 am
“Read him already Greg.”
Reading is one thing, comprehension entirely another, apparently.
“You are an indoctrinated anti-American Canadian hypocrite”
I have no bearing what so ever as to the direction “America” has taken. That would be the fault of the hopelessly indoctrinated masses, such as yourself. Patriotism has nothing at all to do with calling down others who tell it like it is, and everything to do with standing up against the corruption. I feel very badly for decent Americans everywhere, but for people such as yourself, you are getting your just deserves.
And Davy, your saviour Trump isn’t about to make America great again, which according to you, it already was. He is tearing America apart. If that would put an end to the never ending slaughter and suffering of millions of innocent people all around the world, I might be all for him, but it won’t, so I’m not.
“I give back to others what they give to me especially assholes.”
Other than suggesting that you are in dire need of professional psychiatric help, I don’t believe that I have given you anything at all. What I have done is pointed out the direction that you tax farm was headed in, which 4 years ago might have made a difference. It is now far too late to do anything about that.
All the best, and may God bless Donald Trump.(and his minions)
GregT on Sat, 18th Mar 2017 11:12 am
And one more thing Davy,
“I called you out because the think you are special.”
My comment was to Apnea, someone who clearly gets it. Cohen suggests that there may be 10 million or so like minded individuals in the world. From my experience, I would be very surprised if there were that many, but I could be wrong. Judging from your complete inability to separate your ego from empire, your are without a doubt not among that group. You are hopeless Davy. A totally and completely, conflicted, lost cause.
Davy on Sat, 18th Mar 2017 11:17 am
You know you won the argument when a dumbass resorts to giving psychiatric advice.
Davy on Sat, 18th Mar 2017 11:20 am
Greg, you are not special. No matter how much you think you are special it does not make it so. You are an arrogant finger pointing hate fill Canadian hypocrite. Nothing special about that. The more you whine the more it shows.
GregT on Sat, 18th Mar 2017 11:44 am
At no time have I ever suggested that I think I am special Davy. That would be your words, not mine.
As long as you continue to falsely believe that I give a shit about nationalism, you and I will never see eye to eye.
Cloggie on Sat, 18th Mar 2017 12:17 pm
As long as you continue to falsely believe that I give a shit about nationalism, you and I will never see eye to eye.
“Proud Canadian” of yesteryear exit stage left.
Meanwhile back in the real Darwinian world:
https://www.rt.com/news/381166-erdogan-turks-five-children/
Turkish president Erdogan has called for Turks living in Europe to have 5 children in order to “increase Turkish influence in Europe”.
A thinly veiled intention of course to take the European joint over in the long run, like happened to Spain/al-Andaluz between 711-1492.
This is what you get if you abandon nationalist particularism and cowardly decide to no longer defend yourself and your own people and open the doors to the hostile rest of the world that thinks it can take over Europe on the cheap and impose Islam.
Why is this happening? Loser religion for sheep Christianity and decades of forced membership since 1945 of that George Soros mob run Empire, that instructed Westerners via the US imperial media + Hollywood that whitey needs to go through mass migration and inter-marriage.
If Erdogan wants a fight, he can have it.
Outcast_Searcher on Sat, 18th Mar 2017 12:57 pm
OK. So this scientist just glosses over things and makes very broad assumptions, without worrying much about the details to say “Things will be OK”.
This is pretty much the approach of most of the fast crash doomer group, except they say “Things will be a disaster”.
And, as throughout written history, things will most likely end up somewhere in the middle, with lots of pain to go around (as the scientist says).
Doomers, if you don’t like this approach, why is it that so many of you take the same one? Basically ignoring any data that doesn’t conform to the perma-doom religion you follow.
As a moderate, I find this inconsistency and disconnect somewhat amusing.
As my mother used to say when I was a kid, “put ’em in a paper bag and shake ’em” — referring to the “Shake-n-Bake” chicken coating product, and that averaging the various views probably makes a lot of sense.
So if we take you all, Cloggie, David Grinspoon, etc. and average them out, that should still be plenty of pain for the doomstead crowd to enjoy.
Apneaman on Sat, 18th Mar 2017 1:43 pm
Outcast_Searcher, so it’s your mom’s fault? That you’re so fucking stupid. Feeding a population growing brains Frakenfoods can only result is a population of semi retards.
Thanks mom.
Apneaman on Sat, 18th Mar 2017 1:47 pm
The Nile River Delta, once the bread basket of the world, may soon be uninhabitable
https://qz.com/934106/egypts-nile-river-delta-once-the-bread-basket-of-the-world-may-soon-be-uninhabitable/
And then they will float across the Med on inner tubes and show up at hair clogs front door.
Apneaman on Sat, 18th Mar 2017 1:51 pm
Sea-level rise poses ‘a serious threat’ to millions of Europeans, scientists warn
A new study spells out the threat of sea-level rise in coastal communities.
https://thinkprogress.org/climate-change-could-put-5-million-europeans-at-risk-of-extreme-flooding-each-year-2a850c5da5a8#.nesk5uynx
We just need to all hold hands and hope together. Surely hope and denial can halt the laws of physics? Apparently billions of humans are incapable of comprehending the definition of INERTIA.
Apneaman on Sat, 18th Mar 2017 1:54 pm
This is happening in many locals and will only get worse.
With 100 Days of Water Left, Cape Town Risks Running Dry
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-16/with-just-100-days-of-water-left-cape-town-risks-running-dry
Apneaman on Sat, 18th Mar 2017 1:55 pm
Louisiana Wetlands Experiencing Sea Level Rise Four Times The Global Average
http://www.iflscience.com/environment/louisiana-wetlands-experiencing-sea-level-rise-four-times-the-global-average/
They’ll all immigrate to Texas.
GregT on Sat, 18th Mar 2017 2:04 pm
““Proud Canadian” of yesteryear exit stage left.”
Yesteryear was about 30 years ago Cloggie. Like so many of the other predicaments that the human race now finds itself in. Too little, too late.
“If Erdogan wants a fight, he can have it.”
Some people can find more productive things to do with their short time here on this Earth.
Knock yourself out, and enjoy your fight.
Apneaman on Sat, 18th Mar 2017 2:05 pm
Signals of Climate Change Visible as Record Fires Give Way to Massive Floods in Peru
“The rains come as coastal waters off Peru have seen sky-rocketing temperatures. Sea surface readings over recent months have climbed from an average of 24 degrees Celsius to 29 degrees Celsius. These extremely warm waters are pumping a huge plume of moisture into the local atmosphere. And it’s this extraordinarily heavy moisture loading that is spurring the massive rainstorms now plaguing the state.”
https://robertscribbler.com/2017/03/17/signals-of-climate-change-visible-as-record-fires-give-way-to-massive-floods-in-peru/
Extreme swings in systems. Always a good sign.