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We would need 1.7 Earths to make our consumption sustainable
President Trump has acted on his campaign promises to reverse Obama’s environmental policies and proposed a budget that would significantly slash the Environmental Protection Agency’s funding in an effort to take federal responsibility out of environmental regulations. More recently, White House officials have met to discuss whether the United States should leave the Paris climate agreement.
[Local programs get the biggest hit in proposed EPA budget]
The United States is one of the world’s biggest consumers, and U.S. policies can have global environmental effects. As of 2013, the world’s population would need 1.7 Earths to support its demands on renewable natural resources, according Global Footprint Network, a nonprofit organization that calculates human demands on the planet’s ecosystems.
ECOLOGICAL DEFICIT
ECOLOGICAL RESERVE
Consumption is greater than the
resources available to that population
Consumption is less than the
resources available to that population
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Global hectares per capita in 2013
The Middle East, with low biocapacity to begin with, is experiencing a deficit.
South America and areas of Africa that are rich with forest land had the highest biocapacity per capita in 2013.
Global Footprint Network measures human consumption relative to what the planet can regenerate with a measure called the ecological footprint. The footprint takes into account how much in biological resources, such as fishing grounds and forest land, are necessary to fulfill the consumption of a country and absorb its waste. This includes imports and excludes exports. The smaller a country’s footprint is, the better.
A country also has a biocapacity — that is, the country’s capacity to renew the resources demanded from its ecosystems. Because this measure is based on technology and land-management practices, biocapacity may change from year to year. The bigger a country’s biocapacity is, the better.
Therefore, a country has an ecological deficit if its ecological footprint is greater than its biocapacity and ecological reserve if its biocapacity is greater.
[Scientists are looking at these indicators to measure climate change]
How we got here
Of the countries running the highest ecological deficits, the United States has one of the highest biocapacities. This means that even though the country has a lot of resources, its consumption is still highly unsustainable.
Canada
World
U.S.
China
20 global hectares
per capita
Biocapacity
16.2
Ecological reserve
Ecological footprint
10
8.6
8.8
Ecological deficit
Ecological footprint
3.6
2.9
3.8
Biocapacity
1.7
0.9
0
1980
2013
Largest ecological deficits per capita in 2013
Trinidad
and Tobago
Israel
South Korea
U.S.
Netherlands
Switzerland
Oman
Singapore
Belgium
Japan
10 global hectares
per capita
0
1980
2013
Oil and natural gas industries fueled a spike in economic growth in the 2000s in Trinidad and Tobago.
South Korea’s economy relied more heavily on manufacturing starting in the 1980s.
The ecological footprint of the U.S. has been decreasing since 2005.
Oman’s carbon footprint has increased dramatically since 1980 due to oil and natural gas activity.
Note: Only countries with a population of more than 1 million and data for more than one year are included.
Since 2005, however, the United States has been decreasing its ecological footprint. Its fossil fuel use is the largest component of the nation’s ecological footprint. In 2013, the country’s carbon footprint per capita reached its lowest since 1980. This may be the result, in part, of a smaller role that coal plays in the U.S. economy.
Ecological footprints by state in 2010
U.S.
NY
CA
VA
TX
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8
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global hectares per capita
Within the United States, Virginia has the biggest ecological footprint per capita, nearly twice that of New York.
According to a report from Global Footprint Network, this is partly because of the greater density of New York, which allows for more efficient use of infrastructure, such as public transportation. Virginia also has a larger housing and personal transportation footprint per capita.
Largest ecological reserves per capita in 2013
Central
African Republic
Brazil
Australia
Uruguay
Canada
Paraguay
Mongolia
Finland
Congo
Bolivia
30 global hectares
per capita
20
10
0
1980
2013
Pastureland in Mongolia has deteriorated over time due to droughts and climate change.
Deforestation in South American countries is rapidly depleting these areas of their biocapacity.
Note: Only countries with a population of more than 1 million and data for more than one year are included.
Of the countries with the largest ecological reserves, most have biocapacities that are declining at a sharp rate. In other words, they may run into ecological deficits soon if the trend continues. In some countries, this can be attributed to a combination of rapid population growth and deforestation.
20B global hectares
World
ecological
footprint
The United States makes up 13 percent of the world’s total footprint and has the second-largest deficit in the world, trailing China’s deficit, which is driven by its accelerated growth. While the United States’ total footprint has been decreasing since 2005, it is still twice the size of India’s and far greater than that of other developed countries.
15B
Rest of
the world
10B
India
China
Largest ecological deficits in 2013
5B global hectares
4B
U.S.
U.S.
2B
India
Japan
South Korea
U.K.
Italy
Iran
Mexico
Germany
China
0
1980
2013
1980
2013
Note: Only countries with a population of more than 1 million and data for more than one year are included.
Which countries are developing sustainably?
Economic development often means using more resources and increasing carbon emissions. From 2000 to 2013, most countries increased their GDP and ecological footprints at the same time. However, there are 48 countries that managed to develop sustainably: They increased GDP while decreasing their ecological footprints, though most of these countries saw small economic growth.
Decrease in GDP per capita
from 2000 to 2013
Increase in GDP per capita
from 2000 to 2013
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+100%
+200% change
+200% change
Trinidad and Tobago
Djibouti
Swaziland
+100%
China
These countries grew their economies by a lot, but their ecological footprints increased by a lot as well.
Georgia
Vietnam
Armenia
Algeria
Lithuania
Turkmenistan
Cambodia
Myanmar
Increase in
ecological footprint
per capita
from 2000 to 2013
Azerbaijan
Belarus
Mongolia
Ethiopia
0
Uzbekistan
Niger
Chad
Decrease in
ecological
footprint
per capita
from 2000
to 2013
U.S.
Ireland
Spain
Denmark
48 countries increased their GDP and decreased their ecological footprints from 2000 to 2013.
These countries grew their economies by a lot, but their ecological footprints decreased just a little.
These countries cut their ecological footprints the most, but did not grow their economies much.
Note: GDP per capita is in 2010 U.S. dollars.
For developing countries, an increase in ecological footprint may be necessary to bolster their economies. Footprints per capita in these countries may not be high to begin with, so small changes can cause a comparatively big jump. Sustainable technology may also not be as widely available in developing countries.
For developed countries, the opposite may be true: Because their rate of growth is decreasing and most already have large footprints, fluctuations might not be so obvious.
Though there are many solutions, the fastest way for a country to reduce its ecological footprint, according to Global Footprint Network, is to switch to greener energy sources. Even though the United States has been decreasing its ecological footprint, its consumption rate is still far from completely sustainable.
85 Comments on "We would need 1.7 Earths to make our consumption sustainable"
bobinget on Thu, 4th May 2017 1:11 pm
I looked. The Sun seems to be operating normally.
Hawkcreek on Thu, 4th May 2017 1:20 pm
Since we seem to waste about half or more of what we produce, we must be doing fine.
Most of the article, and all of the graphs were too expanded for me to see, so ignore my comment if the article showed something important.
bobinget on Thu, 4th May 2017 1:28 pm
I looked. The Sun seems to be operating normally.
Republican “Make America Sick Again” bill just past the House.
Headline reads; “A Boost for President Trump”
bobinget on Thu, 4th May 2017 1:33 pm
More money for rich folks!
Market reacts, including oil prices.
Is this a great country or what?
http://www.livecharts.co.uk/MarketCharts/dow.php
Davy on Thu, 4th May 2017 2:02 pm
Bob, that was pretty hipocritical since the way you talk you are not hurting. You have enough money to winter in Central America. You are one of the rich west coast’ers that benefited from the rape and pillage of this country and now you point fingers at Trump. I guess you are referring to rich republicans not the rich fake green lying liberals. Own some of your dirty laundry. Nothing stinks more than a self righteous lying liberal.
peakyeast on Thu, 4th May 2017 2:03 pm
Is this article normally formattet? On my computer there is like 1 word per line.
bobinget on Thu, 4th May 2017 2:21 pm
Denying health care to ‘sick people’ in order to cut taxes on the one percent shouldn’t be palatable for wealthy or working class.
If Republican House members want to go back to private life, that’s fine too.
Today’s vote is a perfect example of circular firing squads on speed.
Davy on Thu, 4th May 2017 3:08 pm
Denying the country is broke and acting like the health care system is solvent is more of the same. Trump will likely never get his stupid tax cuts. His tax cuts are never going to get broad support from either party. ACA was a train wreck either way. A lying liberal will say ACA is fine when the reality is it is self destructing. The house republicans are a mess but the lying liberal democrats are no better. They are all a joke. Don’t blow your liberal dumbass up my ass and not expect a blistering bob. Why are you politicizing this board? Are you trying to make your horrible election failure more palatable?
DerHundistlos on Thu, 4th May 2017 4:11 pm
To compare Republicans with Democrats is the definition of false equivalency.
Apneaman on Thu, 4th May 2017 4:56 pm
Davy just set a new world record for most angry usages of the word “liberal” in one paragraph.
Breitbart should be calling you any minute now with a job offer.
Wow, what an reactionary parrot you turned into.
Apneaman on Thu, 4th May 2017 5:20 pm
New Crack Found in Delaware-Sized Chunk of Larsen C Ice Shelf as it Heads Toward Southern Ocean
A 2,000 square mile section of the Larsen C Ice Shelf is hanging by a thread as it continues to drift toward the Weddell Sea.
https://robertscribbler.com/2017/05/04/new-crack-found-in-delaware-sized-chunk-of-larsen-c-ice-shelf-as-it-heads-toward-southern-ocean/
Apneaman on Thu, 4th May 2017 5:25 pm
The U.S. Is on a Historic Streak of Record Highs
“he U.S. is on a hot streak like no other. April marked yet another month where record highs outpaced record lows.
It’s the 29th month in a row with the odds tipped in favor of record highs, 10 months longer than the previous stretch where highs beat lows in 2011-12. Embedded within the historic warm streak are a series of records-setting records.
Every month of 2015 and 2016 saw more highs than lows, making them two of the only three calendar years that’s happened. The record high-to-low ratio this February was 49-to-1, making it the most lopsided month ever recorded (besting a record set in November 2016, no less).”
http://www.climatecentral.org/news/us-historic-streak-of-record-highs-21416
Apneaman on Thu, 4th May 2017 5:33 pm
‘Extraordinary’ levels of pollutants found in 10km deep Mariana trench
Presence of manmade chemicals in most remote place on planet shows nowhere is safe from human impact, say scientists
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/feb/13/extraordinary-levels-of-toxic-pollution-found-in-10km-deep-mariana-trench
Not even the Himalayas are immune to traffic smog
University of Cincinnati geologists found high sulfur pollution along the Manali-Leh Highway, suggesting a link to diesel pollution
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/05/170502141956.htm
I guess that comforting little phrase “dilution is the solution to pollution” can finally (long over due) be retired since the cancer has saturated every inch of the planet. Hell the humans have even polluted space.
If you’re a Cancer and you know it
Then your waste will surely show it
If you’re a Cancer and you know it
Kill your kids
Clap Clap
Davy on Thu, 4th May 2017 5:36 pm
Wow, it’s a good day when you can get ape man to show his true colors. The better word for parrot is asshole and you are a special brand of asshole from the west coast of hypocrisy.
Ghung on Thu, 4th May 2017 5:36 pm
Davy said; “Trump will likely never get his stupid tax cuts. His tax cuts are never going to get broad support from either party.”
Looks like this House bill isn’t either. Seems Senate Republicans don’t want any part of it, or at least most of it:
Senate GOP to Snub House Obamacare Repeal Bill and Write Its Own:
“Several key Senate Republicans said they will set aside the narrowly passed House health-care bill and write their own version instead, a sign of how difficult it will be to deliver on seven years of promises to repeal Obamacare.
Lamar Alexander of Tennessee, who chairs the Senate health committee, and Roy Blunt of Missouri, a member of GOP leadership, both described the plan, even as the House was celebrating passing its repeal after weeks of back and forth. The decision will likely delay even further the prospect of any repeal bill reaching President Donald Trump’s desk…..”
Davy on Thu, 4th May 2017 5:42 pm
The US government has become a spectacle of paralysis. These things happen when you are broke with splintering ideologies.
Ghung on Thu, 4th May 2017 5:59 pm
Yep. When there are no viable solutions, politicians are reduced to feeding shrooms bullshit. It has become a matter of who gets pushed out the back of the bus first, without getting blamed for doing the pushing….
Republicans are especially vulnerable since a big chunk their base is largely made up of folks who will be most vulnerable to cuts but haven’t figured that out yet. They can only blame the ‘liberals’ for so long now that they have both Houses and the White House.
It’s going to be funny watching both silly parties try to placate their constituencies as limits to growth reveals their impotence. Of course, like you Davy, they’ll all be blaming each other. Anger and blame don’t solve a fucking thing, eh? Better to start adapting and stop making enemies.
Apneaman on Thu, 4th May 2017 6:06 pm
AGW Jacked Rain Bombs Keep Falling On Their Heads
Dramatic aerial images show Arkansas, Missouri flooding overtaking towns — After a weekend of historic flooding, Missouri is expected to get more rain
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/05/04/aerial-images-arkansas-missouri-flooding/101295116/
Flooding across the region drives hundreds from their homes
http://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/flooding-across-the-region-drives-hundreds-from-their-homes-1.3396807
Why is it flooding across eastern Canada?
Flood risk extends across 4 provinces — Ontario, Quebec, New Brunswick and Nova Scotia
“The reason why we’ve had these water levels is for three reasons: rain rain and more rain,” Seglenieks told CBC News.”
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/flood-quebec-ontario-1.4098915
Apneaman on Thu, 4th May 2017 6:13 pm
Davy, care to explain why you think I’m a hypocrite.
Davy on Thu, 4th May 2017 6:15 pm
Few possess as much anger and blame here than you Ghung. You like ape man are a special case in hypocrisy. You are a smart guy who acts special like you are above it all. I am adapting and making enemies because you are making enemies. You guys want to dish the shit out but can’t stand when it blows back into your face.
Davy on Thu, 4th May 2017 6:17 pm
A cancer calling cancer cancer.
Cloggie on Thu, 4th May 2017 6:22 pm
peakyeast: “Is this article normally formattet? On my computer there is like 1 word per line.”
Pssst: It’s called a List.
Cloggie on Thu, 4th May 2017 6:30 pm
“Few possess as much anger and blame here than you Ghung. You like ape man are a special case in hypocrisy. ”
I’ve identified ApneaTurd and Ghung-ho as members of the “gang of three” ages ago. I remember Davy that you still defended Ghung against attacks from me and told me I was “pissing in the wind”.
It’s Britain + West Coast.
Perhaps reconsider the idea of America’s 6th century as “continental European”?
Ghung on Thu, 4th May 2017 6:37 pm
Bullshit, Davy. Over the last year I’ve watched you become rabid and abusive of others even when I don’t post here for days; always on the attack. Something snapped, and you can blame me all you want, but I don’t care. I’ve done nothing to you except challenge your views; which come at a an insane pace, page after page, day after day. You’ve created your own little bully pulpit here, and will belittle anyone who dares to disagree with the Great Davy. Again, I don’t give a shit, because, unlike you, I have better things to do.
Maybe you should go back and read some of your awful responses to other posters here. This used to be a great site to visit, but has now become a place for angry old men to call others names. Get back on the wagon or whatever it is you need to do to be at least a little less hateful. I’ll be somewhere else, where I can actually have a civil conversation, even if people don’t agree.
Davy on Thu, 4th May 2017 6:41 pm
I have high regard for both. Ape is an excellent source of climate news and human psychological profiling. Ghung is exceptionally smart and witty on many topics. Ghung is the best prepper on this board. I have learned many things from both. That does not mean I agree with all their views or like some of their attitudes. I am here to learn and be challenged not take sides.
Davy on Thu, 4th May 2017 7:05 pm
Ghung, you have watched me say things that make you feel rabid and abusive inside because I am not towing your line. I don’t tow the anti-American line either. I think something has snapped with you and it happened the day Trump was elected. You have never been the same. You have attacked me from that day because I am bringing up uncomfortable topics that annoy you. I was honest why I voted for him and why I like some things about him. The only thing I like about Trump is he exposed the liberal’s lies. Trump is a lie himself but that lie exposed what the liberals really are. My bully pulpit is to challenge others with their bully pulpit. Obviously I am a minority here among the hardcore anti-Americans and liberals. I seek some sort of balance on this extremist site. You want to label me a Trump supporter just because I don’t tow the anti-Trump line. You once had balance but now you are deep in the hypocrisy of calling others rabid and abusive with your own rabid abuse. This used to be a great site? I have been coming here for years now dealing with continuous extremism. If I am an asshole it is to try to balance the extremism.
Boat on Thu, 4th May 2017 9:00 pm
Davy,
Many of my views are considered liberal. But I believe in a balanced budget with little debt. I am against immigration but both Reps and Dens love those subsidized workers. Jail those Dem’s and Reps that hire them and we could cut spending 10 billion on border enforcement, Not add expense like Bush 2, Obama and now Trump. Worthless wast of time and money. I want health care for all but no bells and whistles like transplants, heart surgery, etc. government needs to be expanded but the cost cut by a third. What is that? Liberal or conservative. You like to throw labels labels on people when labels don’t apply.
I would cut military spending by 300 billion per year. That isn’t liberal. Obama trotted out generals to complain about a 50 billion cut because of the sequester. Neither party could manage a child’s budget yet you blatantly in a child like way blather about blame for one group. Your just silly. Mak like.
DerHundistlos on Thu, 4th May 2017 9:20 pm
The towns around St. Louis now flooding like Valley Park and Eureka regularly flood at least once every ten years. Then it’s the taxpayers to the rescue thanks to the National Flood Plan insurance program, which encourages building in flood plains- the definition of stupidity. It’s also a great way to make money off the government since the payouts are guaranteed.
Denial on Thu, 4th May 2017 9:55 pm
Apeman reminds me a lot of the guy on the pod cast called
S-Town by “this American Life” constantly looking for bad news because he is gay and can’t come to terms with his gayness..
GregT on Thu, 4th May 2017 10:20 pm
“Your just silly.”
No Boat. You’re just an idiot, who after 3 years still can’t figure out the difference between your, you’re, and yore.
You’re and Your
“Some writers are confused by you’re and your. A mistake involving these constitutes a grammatical howler.”
You’re
“You’re is a contraction of you are. It has no other uses. This is a 100% rule. If you cannot expand it to you are in your sentence, then it is wrong.”
Your
“The word your sits before another word (usually a noun or a pronoun) to show that it belongs to “you” (e.g., your car, your arm), is of “you” (e.g., your picture, your photograph) or is related to “you” (e.g., your uncle).”
Grammer for grade 5 flunkies.
http://www.grammar-monster.com/easily_confused/youre_your.htm
GregT on Thu, 4th May 2017 10:53 pm
Ghung is correct Davy. You’ve snapped man.
Exactly what is to be expected from somebody who is experiencing an identity crisis. Lashing out, anger, resentment, and emotional insecurity.
GregT on Thu, 4th May 2017 10:56 pm
And Davy, just an FYI,
The Kogi don’t do nationalism.
Sissyfuss on Thu, 4th May 2017 11:12 pm
GT, you can’t teach grammar to someone whose brainstem is missing. Talking to earthworms would be more beneficial.
Davy on Fri, 5th May 2017 12:23 am
Greg, coming from the board hypocrite that means nothing. You are just sore because of the last time I gave you a blistering and now find an opportunity to lash out. You are a closet hyper nationalistic Canadian attacking Americans regularly unless they are anti-American Americans like makati then you are best of friends. You are especially abusive. One needs only see your boat and plant attacks. Not that I agree with either boat or plant nor admire their positions. I am just pointing this out because you are incapable of seeing this but feel the need to attack me. Try a little harder with the accusations with identity crisis, lashing out with anger, resentment, and emotional insecurities. This description fits you perfectly. I am part of that too but it is because this board is replete with it. I admit to some of it. I fight anger with anger. No different than you on your own issues dear to your heart. It is just you are a self-righteous Canadian closet nationalist deep in hypocrisy. You point fingers and mildly think you are above it when you are deep into the same shit. This is something peculiar to Vancouver and the BC and why I have a loathing for nationalistic Canadians such as you. I used to hold Canada highest on my list of countries until I came to this board and found out what many of you are made of.
Davy on Fri, 5th May 2017 12:37 am
Der hund, I agree to a point. We have seen significant amounts of people moved away from the flood plains and those who choose to build there generally can’t get insurance or the insurance is very high. Some areas are at flood levels now that were once considered 500 year flood zones but now are decadal flood zones. Because of climate change the 500 year is now routine. This recent localized flood now has broken several river level around my area here. Interstate highways are going to have to be built higher because this is now happening several times a decade. It was only two Decembers ago we had this happen. It may happen every few years now interspaced with droughts. This is climate change and the extremes have begun. It is now the case that further movement out of the flood plain will be needed. I do agree with you that places like Chesterfield bottoms and Earth City along the Missouri River is the definition of insanity. These areas were some of the best farm land in the world turned into commercial and business property protected by an elaborate levee. It will flood someday and when it does it will be costly.
Davy on Fri, 5th May 2017 1:12 am
Boat, I don’t want to be political. I am a doomer and my views don’t fit either party. My family is conservative but I have always leaned to the liberal side of arguments. Lately I am disgusted with the liberals but I still believe in many of their positions in the ideal but not many of the existing positions that are corrupted. The issues are so big now liberal and conservative don’t fit. All of it anymore is about a fight for money. Positions become corrupted if the money is not there. It then becomes pork politics and horse trading. All people should be lifted out of poverty but if there is no money for it the issues become complicated. The rich have gutted the country and the rich are also liberal. It is a messy subject I am not happy about. There was a time before the election these issues were not so polarized and talked about regularly here. I hope we get back to that time. Call that silly if you like I think you are silly, juvenile, and label carelessly.
Cloggie on Fri, 5th May 2017 3:29 am
The Kogi don’t do nationalism.
What’s the difference between tribalism and nationalism, Greg?
OK, railway system, state bureaucracy, pension funds, electricity, airports, etc…. but for the rest? What they both have in common is a single territory + homogeneous ethnic group with single language and belief system.
Kogi:
http://tinyurl.com/mn9zqtw
why I have a loathing for nationalistic Canadians such as you.
Davy, why do you call Greg a “nationalist”? He isn’t, not in a long shot. He doesn’t have a “tribe” to fall back on and he has zero ambition to turn his “fellow European-Canadians” in a new tribe, which would take many centuries anyway. Greg is a hyper-individualist, who apparently was successful in the modern world, and, now that he can afford it, is turning away from that modern world and envies and identifies with indigenous American tribes, not unlike you btw. A sort of 2017 variety of 1960s hippie-dom. High-level escapism would be another apt description. Identifying with people you will never become yourself, not in a single lifetime.
In lifestyle there isn’t that much difference between you both. You are both silver spoon “high end escapists” (both flew private planes until recently, probably to better look for Chief Seattle from high above.lol).
The only real difference is that Greg (like me) comes from an impotent country, where you in contrast are from the Big Bully himself and even have the nerve to somewhat identify with it. You are simply not making enough excuses.lol
Davy on Fri, 5th May 2017 6:47 am
“Davy, why do you call Greg a “nationalist”
Clog, I would rather not egg him on. Once Greg and I battle it is long and hard. The board would like to see less battling.
“The only real difference is that Greg (like me) comes from an impotent country, where you in contrast are from the Big Bully himself and even have the nerve to somewhat identify with it. You are simply not making enough excuses.lol”
Naw, the deal is you anti-Americans attack me excessively and unjustly. Attacks on the US go with the territory because the American dream and Empire have caused so much havoc and destruction. This is a worthy topic and one this site dedicates a significant amount of material on making it anti-American. Some of the material is good and relevant and some is excessive and intellectually lazy. The problem is the emotional content and the extremism of the attacks from people like you. In your case you add the makatism of talking up your nationalism as the replacement. You are preaching a Paris, Berlin, Moscow as the new empire. You try to be modest with the idea of empire but it is a fire burning in your heart. You also revise history to the benefit of your nationalism and to the detriment of the US. Some of this has merit but a lot does not. This is more makatism. That is where I have a problem with you Clog.
I like you and I really enjoy your alternative energy posts. I may try to diminish their significance in relation to a transition. It is not because I don’t want this transition it is because I am not sold on its possibility yet. I very much appreciate the content for learning. You are a wealth of information on alternative energy systems.
BTW, you would do yourself a favor to read this. This people are in contact with the earth in a sense of an eco-connection. They see the destruction you don’t.
“From the Heart of the World: The Elder Brothers’ Warning”
http://www.spiritualityandpractice.com/films/reviews/view/5013
“A documentary about a South American Indian tribe and their plea for ecological sanity in a time when the earth is being ravaged by so-called civilized people.”
Davy on Fri, 5th May 2017 7:50 am
“Turning Plastic to Oil, U.K. Startup Sees Money in Saving Oceans”
http://tinyurl.com/l4wzb63
“One recent afternoon at the Swindon plant, workers heaped plastic onto a conveyor belt via a tube. The materials move through a series of units that separate out stuff like rocks, dirt and caked-on food. Once that’s done, the plastic enters a furnace-like box and is heated at around 500 degrees Celsius (932 degrees Fahrenheit) using hot sand-like particles that melt it into vapor. The technique is similar to thermal cracking, whereby crude is transformed into gasoline and jet fuel, only a different material is used in heating that Recycling Technologies is in the process of patenting, according to technical director Mike Keast, a former oil refinery designer.”
onlooker on Fri, 5th May 2017 7:56 am
The consequences of living in a non sustainable manner and in the process degrading the life support systems of this planet are already being seen and will manifest themselves in ever more dramatic and pernicious to life ways into the future
penury on Fri, 5th May 2017 11:47 am
There is no reason to read the4se comments, Davy needs to get back on his medication.
Davy on Fri, 5th May 2017 12:19 pm
“There is no reason to read the4se comments, Davy needs to get back on his medication.”
You remind me of the other Canadians you are in bed with. They always talk about me and medication. I guess because it is a way of life for them. They think because they are on meds I need to be. I am drug and alcohol free. I don’t smoke. I eat right and exercise. I have a great family life. My farm is a joy. I think maybe you need to look at yourself and ask yourself about yourself instead of pointing fingers at me.
I am my own person. I do not rely on people like you that combine into groups to accuse or criticize me. I have no problem with advice and learning from some of you. I don’t care if I like you are not I have no problem learning from you. It is an honor to upset so many who are so screwed up in the head. There is never any on the other side protesting those who attack me indirectly or directly. You know that is OK because you guys like those attacks. If the attacks threaten you then OH SHIT we have a problems. I have known you a long time Pen but you are just a pissed off white man who hates rich people because you are poor. Your line of thinking revolves around that. Pretty lame to blame others for your misfortune. So I could give a shit about your advice about medication.
peakyeast on Fri, 5th May 2017 3:19 pm
@Clog: No it is not a list…
First I have a long row of graphs. Then half a page down I see this:
Ecological footprints by state in 2010
U.S.
NY
CA
VA
TX
0
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
10
9
global hectares per capita
Its pretty clear to me that the formatting is wrong. And I am asking If others see strange formatting – I am not asking for a stupid answer from someone who doesnt see a formatting problem.
DerHundistlos on Fri, 5th May 2017 3:40 pm
Davy, I worked in the insurance industry. As a point of clarification to your comment, insurance contracts contain an absolute exclusion for loss due to water in areas defined as flood plains. The only reason development occurs in flood plains is due to the federal government. Homeowners, business owners, and farmers can purchase at low rates flood insurance from the federal flood plan, which losses hundreds of millions and sometimes billions of dollars year after year.
Davy, my goal is not to pile on, but I think you should reflect on the comments made by fellow posters.
Davy on Fri, 5th May 2017 4:18 pm
Der hund so you are saying conform to the group think…no thanks. When fellow poster tell a makati or a few others to reflect and we all reflect together yea great. You guys with an agenda could also get a moderator to enforce group think. The so called attacks and abuse are with many here and they are not considered attacks if the attacks are on one in group disfavor like a boat. A boat attack is cheared on. People love a makati attack. Basically what you guys want is a clean board in your favor. There is not much exploration of the truth when conditions are set. I respect many here but not the conformity part. I have offered any times to find a happy medium but that has been disregarded for years now. I have been through this a few times in my 4 plus years here. I am losing track of when I became active…maybe 5 years.
DerHundistlos on Fri, 5th May 2017 7:18 pm
Davy, sure, you’re right and everybody else is wrong. This in of itself should be instructive.
AFDF on Fri, 5th May 2017 10:11 pm
Like Mr. Kuntsler, I’m tired of preaching. I’ll just mention the number 420 (not a pun)
Sissyfuss on Fri, 5th May 2017 11:07 pm
I’m with you, Davy. Teetotaling is the only way to find true joy, a joy that is real and lasting. Good on ya.
DerHundistlos on Fri, 5th May 2017 11:18 pm
Davy, I believe the source of your anger is the inherent conflict that exists for someone who has been indoctrinated their entire life to be a loyal Republican, yet genuinely cares about the state of the natural world. The party of Teddy Roosevelt, father of America’s and the world’s park system, Richard Nixon, creator of the Environmental Protection Agency, and even as recently as George W. Bush, creator of the world’s most extensive marine reserve that encompasses 98.000 square miles, is nonexistent for elected officials and supporters who espouse such positions. Unfortunately, your reaction is to escalate attacks against any person with whom you disagree, and tear down the Dems. in an attempt to create a false equivalency.
GregT on Sat, 6th May 2017 12:21 am
“Davy, I believe the source of your anger is the inherent conflict that exists for someone who has been indoctrinated their entire life to be a loyal Republican, yet genuinely cares about the state of the natural world.”
Dumb and dumber.