Too Many People Heating Up the Planet

The Trump Administration released the Fourth National Climate Assessment on Friday November 23, which concluded: “time is running out” to correct a coming climate catastrophe. Make no mistake about it, the only reason they released it at all is because publication was mandated by law.

The conclusions in Climate Assessment #4 are, to say the least, frightening. In the absence of global mitigation, the U.S. will experience regular extreme fires like the Thomas and Camp fires; more storms, hurricanes, and flooding; sea-level rise; decline in freshwater resources (due to drought); destruction of food production; disruption of energy and transposition systems; fuel shortages; public health threats (related to air-quality and insect spread diseases); disruption of international trade and increased threats to national security; and ecosystem decline. Economically, by the end of the century, unchecked climate change is predicted to cost the U.S.$500 billion per year annually.

President Trump’s response to his administration’s report was, “I don’t believe it.” He also insisted on a G20 statement reiterating his intent to withdraw the U.S. from the Paris Climate Accords; sent the administration’s energy and climate advisor to the follow-up climate forum in Poland to hold a side event to promote fossil fuels; announced his intent to end subsides for electric cars and renewables; and nominated a coal industry lobbyist to head the EPA. (Yikes!)

November 23, of course, was “Black Friday,” the day after Thanksgiving; a day when people (and the press) would predictably be distracted with holiday thoughts and bargain shopping. And, given the string of outrageous Trump-inspired stories since then (tear-gassing migrants including children at the southern border, Paul Manafort breaking his cooperation agreement with the Muller investigation, Michael Cohen confessing to lying to Congress about the president engaging with Russia during the 2016 campaign over a business deal, the president’s denial regarding Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman’s ordering the killing of Jamal Khashoggi, and more) reporting on the Climate Assessment passed out of the news cycle like a vanishing burst of wind. This is incredibly dangerous.

The Climate Assessment was authored by 13 federal agencies, including the National Science Foundation, NOAA, and NASA, with so many prominent climate scientists contributing (300) it would take the entire column to list them all. So, what we have here is a President of the United States denying science to the peril of not just 327,753,850 Americans, but the entire world. As frightening as this is, the climate discussion to date has ignored the “elephant in the room” — population.

Population growth has been taboo in relation to discussions of global climate change. At present the world’s population is estimated to be 7.669 billion. According to UN predictions, it could, at its present pace, reach 9.7 billion by 2050, and more than 11 billion people by 2100. While there is no consensus regarding Earth’s actual carrying capacity, some scientists believe we are already consuming the Earth’s renewable resources at one-and-a-half times the sustainable rate, even with billions of people consuming virtually nothing. On the other hand, there is scientific unanimity that 11 billon people consuming and emitting greenhouse gases consistent with American and European lifestyles is not sustainable. At the rate we are going, Earth’s temperature will far exceed the tipping point of an additional 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit by the end of the 21st century, causing our ecosystems to collapse. This literally would be an existential threat to life on Planet Earth as we know it.

If we were honest about it, we would need to admit that the 200 countries focused on climate change are moving far too slowly. America (which ranks second behind China in greenhouse gas emissions) should be leading the charge to reverse climate change globally. We must find the courage to admit that population growth is an integral part of the climate change discussion. And recall that Mother Nature, whose superhuman powers we must surely respect and fear by now, warned us in a 1977 commercial, “It’s not nice to fool [with] Mother Nature.”

73 Comments on "Too Many People Heating Up the Planet"

Mister Green Genes on Sat, 15th Dec 2018 2:28 pm 



Woulda Could Shoulda. Maybe tomorrow…
How can this world support 8 billion humans without heating up the planet?

penury on Sat, 15th Dec 2018 4:38 pm 



The predicament that humans find themselves in is really very much too much. To stop global warming or climate change, will require approximately an 80 per cent reduction on the release of ghg. So back to the world before fossil fuels. I am certain that everyone will be looking forward to this.

makati1 on Sat, 15th Dec 2018 6:11 pm 



penury, I suspect that it will be worse than just back to pre-oil/coal. When the current systems go down, the Middle East will starve. The West will meet the 3rd world, and the East will lose population until it is self-sufficient. Those changes will be most felt by the top elite as they have the most to lose and are least able to be self-sufficient. Those at the bottom will hardly notice. Move down the ladder now while it is easy and less painful. I am.

makati1 on Sat, 15th Dec 2018 6:16 pm 



Mr Green, it can be done. Go to your local mall and look around. Just what is really necessary that they sell there? I bet you could put all of the really necessary things in one big store. 99% of the mall would be empty. But we will not limit ourselves to just the necessities until we are forced to by necessity. In this case, Mother Nature. When the decision is do with less or die, then we will make the choice, but it will be too late. I think it is already too late by decades. We shall see.

David Thompson on Sat, 15th Dec 2018 6:16 pm 



Look up the global dimming phenomenon. Stop burning coal and pumping sulfates into the atmosphere and humans are truly screwed.

Chrome Mags on Sat, 15th Dec 2018 6:32 pm 



If TPTB like Trump don’t think any of this is a problem, then I assert our goal should be 850 ppm CO2, 6500 ppb methane, 16.5 billion people and multiplying, No pollution regulations for air or water, mercury-asbestos-lead-radioactive waste should be in every day products, Geiger counters should be illegal because they generate alarmism, an AK-47 in every domicile around the planet w/50,000 rounds, wild animals to be shot on sight or from drones because they eat what we could be eating, no EV’s – only ICE’s to help achieve the 850 ppm CO2, detonation of thermo nuclear bombs at the bottom of the ESAS (eastern Siberian Arctic Sea) to emit as much methane as fast as possible, no regulation on CFC’s to eliminate the ozone as fast as possible, reintroduction of DDT to eliminate large birds from too soft eggs, outlaw birth control, encourage huge families, death penalty for those opposing these goals, more tax cuts for the top 1%, more tax & fee increases for the bottom 99%, no interest loans to clear cut forests, no healthcare help for lower income people because its more fun for the top 1% to see them suffer as abject slaves for being super indebted, no right to bankruptcy, slave labor approved, hate crimes encouraged, fast food worldwide with discouragement of cooking our own meals, no right to grow your own fruit or vegetables, fentanyl, PCP and Krocidil sold in vending machines super cheap as it is subsidized, teens encouraged to sniff glue.

Let’s all just agree to tee off on this planet because in the final analysis it seems we don’t like each other much and we don’t care what happens to the planet.

That’s my cynical rant for the year, 2018.

makati1 on Sat, 15th Dec 2018 6:33 pm 



Mr Green, I talk the talk but don’t do the walk. You know that I took a trip to Hong Kong last year to shop. I did it just to have a good time. I could give a shit about climate change. I will be dead before the worst hits.

Dooma on Sat, 15th Dec 2018 7:17 pm 



Resource wars (which are already occurring) should start to shift into overdrive in the next few years.

What pisses me off is watching my mother shop at discount stores buying useless crap from China which is lucky if it lasts a couple of months. I can’t get it through her thick skull that If you buy a quality item, it will last for years. It is particularly bad with cheap electronics.

Unfortunately, she is just doing what millions of other people in developed nations are doing. She doesn’t think about the world she is leaving behind for her grandchild.

JuanP on Sat, 15th Dec 2018 9:35 pm 



Get a Vasectomy now!
On a different note, I wonder how much longer Davy will be part of the community? His mental health continues to deteriorate. I am amazed he can still use a computer! Talk about being a high IQ retard! I hope he doesn’t hurt anyone before they put him away.

Dooma on Sat, 15th Dec 2018 9:51 pm 



‘They’ should offer a free iPhone with every vasectomy. It is impressive what sheeple will do to keep ahead of the flock.

Davy Identity Theft on Sat, 15th Dec 2018 10:11 pm 



makati1 on Sat, 15th Dec 2018 6:33 pm

Mr Green, I talk the talk but don’t do the walk. You know that I took a trip to Hong Kong last year to shop. I did it just to have a good time. I could give a shit about climate change. I will be dead before the worst hits.

deadly on Sat, 15th Dec 2018 11:57 pm 



There aren’t enough people yet to reach collapse. The tipping point ain’t here yet, so there isn’t much to worry about.

Probably somewhere between 20 and 25 billion, have to use easy numbers, will there be a collapse. The more the merrier.

At 800 million more souls in ten years, it will take one hundred more years to reach fifteen billion wretched lost weary souls to eek out an existence here on earth.

With fifteen billion, that would be about 160 million births each year by then, so it will still take another 50 years to reach 23 billion.

150 years away before collapse even is within reach.

Quite a ways to go before collapse, imo.

There is plenty of coal and oil, you need air to have combustion.

If you reach peak air, there won’t be any combustion, so the problem will solve itself.

When you snuff out a candle, you deny air to reach the fuel, the source that burns, wood, coal, oil, it then is unable to burn, no matter if you try to ignite the fuel, if there is no oxygen, air, the fuel won’t burn.

Just remove the atmosphere and you won’t be able to burn oil and coal.

Plug in air compressors and start compressing all of the air into tanks, then all of the atmosphere will be in deep storage.

There is a way.

The total diameter of the circle that makes the earth’s revolution is 186 million miles.

πD=C

186 × π = 584.336233568, times one million, it is a distance of 584,336,233.568 miles.

Divide by 365, you have a distance of 1,600,921.18786 miles traveled each day.

Divide by 24, you have 66,705.04949 mph.

Divide by 60, the amount of miles per minute, or 1111.7508249 miles.

Divide by 60 again, you have the miles per second.

18.529180415 miles per second the earth travels in order to make one revolution around the sun in 365 days.

The same thing happens every year.

My guess is the sun is what is keeping us warm and the atmosphere maintains the temperature between 50 degrees C and -50 degrees C, pole to pole.

The temperature range allows for life on earth, it’s not all that bad here.

No air will be bad news, so stock up on air. If air becomes scarce, there will be collapse.

Air futures would skyrocket. An air shortage could happen, then what? lol

Go Speed Racer on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 12:32 am 



We should burn more coal to release more sulphate,
to reflect away solar energy.

That huge article filled with blather,
does nothing to solve any problem.
I suppose they will solve everything, by
outlawing plastic drinking straws.

Mr. Green Genes on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 4:09 am 



Don’t forget outlawing plastic bags…LOL..
Too much….so much fluff

JuanP on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 5:10 am 



Get a Vasectomy now! On a different note, I wonder how much longer I will be part of the community? My mental health continues to deteriorate. I am amazed he can still use a computer! Talk about being a high IQ retard! I hope I don’t hurt anyone before I am put away.

Cloggie on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 5:17 am 



-40C in NE-China

https://changera.blogspot.com/2018/12/40c-dans-le-nord-est-de-la-chine.html

Cloggie on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 5:21 am 



Chinese past-time: throw a bucket of hot water into the air and it comes down as ice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdxV79JnZ1s

Cloggie on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 5:41 am 



BBC doc about energy storage:

https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2018/12/16/storage-now-the-key-botttleneck-of-renewable-power/

Davy on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 6:01 am 



“-40C in NE-China” “Chinese past-time: throw a bucket of hot water into the air and it comes down as ice:”

Come on neder, these thing happen when the Arctic warms. We are in winter in the Northern Hemisphere and the warming of the Arctic has allowed a large meanderings of the jet stream bringing cold air south sometimes. This is colder air and further south than might be normal in a more stable times. Your example is just showing how destabilized climate is becoming. We then see big warm ups happening after the pattern weakens which again are not normal.

Davy on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 6:09 am 



“Robot Trucks Coming To US Army in 2019”
https://tinyurl.com/yaqp6ca8

“The US Army has recently stated that two transportation battalions will receive a fleet of autonomous leader-follower vehicles by summer 2019. This is a developing theme in the service of ‘take the man out of the machine’ has led to a new era of autonomous systems entering the modern battlefield as the Pentagon prepares for the next series of conflicts.”

“Pentagon figures show in 2013 alone, about 60% of US combat causalities were related to convoy resupply. In the post IED era, removing the human element from the supply chain has been a significant focus for the Army and the primary driver for developing new autonomous systems. Robotic vehicles can help the Army in multiple ways: “It eliminates the need for Soldiers to conduct mundane, dangerous or repetitive tasks that can be automated, and it increases the standoff distance between Soldiers and a threat, which can greatly enhance safety. Additionally, automation can increase logistics on convoy missions,” said the Defense Blog.”

Davy on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 6:16 am 



“Former FBI SSA Exposes McCabe & Mueller’s “Unethtical, Target & Destroy Coercion” Tactics, Defends Flynn”

“Via SaraCarter.com”
https://tinyurl.com/y8zkqrn7

This is a very good read on the disregard for the rule of law by deap state actors today. The whole Russian gate house of cards is trembling on corruption and bad behavior.

Davy on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 6:40 am 



What this article fails to discuss is the costs Germany is now coming to grips with. This has been well discussed here on this forum with the cost of renewable generation beyond a market penetration point. The cost increase greatly from the early costs that were mostly formative with full support of fossil fuels. Now the costs are taken to a new level with storage and backup. Storage is not even technically develop to be introduced on a large scale. Transportation and heating and cooling are huge sectors barely touched. These costs are huge and at a time Germany and Europe’s economy is slowing.

“Understanding The German Energy Transition: From Leader To Laggard”
https://tinyurl.com/y7dmmtme

Germany has come far but is now somewhat stuck in limbo. It lacks a clear vision, strategy and narrative of why the country needs an energy transition.

The main challenge in Germany’s energy transition is to align the old system with the new one based on renewables. Germany needs investment in infrastructure and digitalization to align supply and demand in a more complex energy system than in the past. A true energy transition requires a stronger coupling between sectors, i.e. spreading electrification into heating, cooling, and transportation. At the moment, the German energy transition targets only electricity, which accounts for just 20% of the energy sector as a whole. However, since heating, cooling, and transport make up the remaining 80% and run predominantly on conventional fuels, these sectors must be addressed if Germany intends to sensibly move forward with its transition.

Another big challenge comes from the approximately 40% of electricity that is still generated from coal, a very carbon-intensive energy source. The 100-or-so coal-fired power plants in Germany emit about one-third of the country’s total carbon emissions.

Cloggie on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 6:59 am 



Waking up this morning in city-state Holland, 2 miles from where I live:

https://nos.nl/video/2263774-dronebeelden-wakker-worden-onder-witte-deken.html

Cloggie on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 7:07 am 



Storage is not even technically develop to be introduced on a large scale.

Is that so?

Hydro-power generation may have been exhausted a long time ago in the developed world, pumped-hydro-storage hasn’t, not in a long shot:

https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2018/04/29/overview-pumped-hydro-facilities-in-europe/

https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/06/11/unconventional-pumped-hydro-storage/

https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/11/19/world-record-pumped-hydro-storage-for-scotland/

All you need is a decapitated mountain top and a lower situated secondary reservoir and you’re good. Plenty of opportunities in Norway and Scotland. Densely populated Germany could expect resistance from local nature lovers.

And for flatlanders we have abandoned coal mines that can be exploited:

https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2018/10/23/pumped-hydro-storage-for-flatlanders/

Pumped hydro-storage still has one of the best round-trip efficiencies of a very workable ca. 80%. A single huge basin in Scotland could cover entire NW-Europe.

Perhaps we’ll wait for the outcome of Brexit first, shall we?

Darrell Cloud on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 7:07 am 



The delusion here is that some government program will reverse the trend of exponential growth. China and India along with the rest of the world are beyond our control.

So, hedge your bets. Set aside a five gallon bucket of beans and rice for each member of your family. Get a rifle and a hundred rounds of ammunition for each adult in your tribe. Prepare to hunker down.

If the system collapse on your watch. The horror will sort itself out within a year’s time. Three days without water and three weeks without food is nature’s reset protocol.

Cloggie on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 7:22 am 



Artificial island plans for energy storage.

Doggersbank (NL+UK), a little bit in doubt because of Brexit.

http://smart-port.nl/ontwikkeling-energie-eiland-kan-historische-bijdrage-vormen-voor-de-rotterdamse-haven/

Better all-Dutch perhaps: “Westralië”, not to be confused with Australia.

http://chriswestraconsulting.nl/2018/05/nieuw-eiland-windenergie-op-noordzee-westralie/

Or better combining an energy island with a brand new airport?

https://www.deingenieur.nl/artikel/waterbouwers-richten-hun-blik-op-de-noordzee

Projected for the Dutch part of the North Sea. Amsterdam Schiphol Airport is becoming way too big and in case of a hard Brexit, Amsterdam will likely take over the role as #1 European hub from London-Heathrow for intercontinental flights. There is no room for that at the current location. So old plans for an airport at sea gets a new lease on life. Precedents do exist:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansai_International_Airport

Davy Identitity Theft on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 9:52 am 



JuanP on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 5:10 am

Davy on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 10:03 am 



“Escobar: How The New Silk Roads Are Merging Into Greater Eurasia”
https://tinyurl.com/yaxqbhfz

“The conceptual heart of Greater Eurasia is Russia ia’s Turn to the East, or pivot to Asia, home of the economic and technological markets of the future. This implies Greater Eurasia proceeding in symbiosis with China’s New Silk Roads, or Belt and Road Initiative (BRI). And yet this advanced stage of the Russia-China strategic partnership does not mean Moscow will neglect its myriad close tAs Diesen notes, Russia and China have become inevitable allies because of their “shared objective of restructuring global value-chains and developing a multipolar world”. It’s no wonder Beijing’s drive to develop state-of-the-art national technological platforms is provoking so much anger in Washington. And in terms of the big picture, it makes perfect sense for BRI to be harmonized with Russia’s economic connectivity drive for Greater Eurasia.”

“That’s irreversible. The dogs of demonization, containment, sanctions and even war may bark all they want, but the Eurasia integration caravan keeps moving along.ies to Europe.”

Makati1 on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 10:14 am 



JuanP, please stop the Davy identity theft. It is dirty behavior and it is coming back on me now. Quit thinking only about yourself

Anonymouse on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 10:16 am 



Mak, what do you get when you cross a GED with a Miami Beach playboy? A Prick. ROTFLMAO

JuanP on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 10:18 am 



Funny guys, I can’t help it I went off my meds in July. I am now self medicating with cocain, rum, and gay bars.

Davy on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 10:22 am 



Oops, sorry. I forgot that makati1 doesn’t spell his handle with a capital M.

Call me stupid.

Davy Identity Theft on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 10:24 am 



Makati1 on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 10:14 am
Anonymouse on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 10:16 am
JuanP on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 10:18 am

Cloggie on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 10:30 am 



“Escobar: How The New Silk Roads Are Merging Into Greater Eurasia”

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-15/escobar-how-new-silk-roads-are-merging-greater-eurasia

Russian Far East experts are very much aware of the “Eurocentrism of a considerable portion of Russian elites.” They know how almost the entire economic, demographic and ideological environment in Russia has been closely intertwined with Europe for three centuries. They recognize that Russia has borrowed Europe’s high culture and its system of military organization. But now, they argue, it’s time, as a great Eurasian power, to profit from “an original and self-sustained fusion of many civilizations”; Russia not just as a trade or connectivity point, but as a “civilizational bridge”.

The cream of the crop of Russian intellectuals – at the Valdai Club and the Higher School of Economics – as well as top Chinese analysts, are in sync. Karaganov himself constantly reiterates that the concept of Greater Eurasia was arrived at, “jointly and officially”, by the Russia-China partnership; “a common space for economic, logistic and information cooperation, peace and security from Shanghai to Lisbon and New Delhi to Murmansk”.

Greater Eurasia, far more interesting to be part of that club, than being the junior partner of a club owned by a gang of insane neocons and “natzi” and “racist” howlers a la the mobster and his water carrier davy.

At least Russians and Chinese will not require us to commit racial suicide by adopting multicult. That’s good enough.

Davy on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 10:34 am 



Good points nedernazi. I can’t think of anything intelligent to say to counter them.

I AM THE MOB on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 10:41 am 



The Collapse of Civilization Manifesto

https://medium.com/@Cliffhanger1983/the-collapse-of-civilization-manifesto-2039c6a5327

The mother of all manifesto’s!

Unabomber ate got shit on me!

I AM THE MOB on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 10:54 am 



CLogg

China has the worlds largest debt bubble..And 80 percent of their silk road are in junk status..even India their next door neighbor didnt want to join due to debt

And they are the worlds largest oil importer with a global shortage headed their way..

This is me JuanP on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 11:24 am 



Davy Identitity Theft on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 9:52 am
Davy on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 10:03 am
Davy on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 10:22 am
Davy Identity Theft on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 10:24 am
Davy on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 10:34 am

JuanP on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 11:25 am 



Cloggie suck my jewish cock, lol. Boney Joe has.

Makati1 on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 11:25 am 



Juan, you are making me feel like a snowflake. I am in the P’s I may melt. Please stop.

Anonyomouse on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 11:26 am 



Juan, can I get in on that Jewish cock?

JuanP on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 11:27 am 



I would like you and cloggie to do me.

JuanP on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 11:29 am 



Guy’s, I am sad, my wife left me over my obsessions here on this board. She took everything and all I have left is my kite sail. I am living on the beach with boney joe.

Davy on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 12:00 pm 



Please read the above five comments everyone.

This is the sick and perverted king of shit that constantly churns in the back of my mind, and the reason that I can no longer be a normal, healthy, contributing member of society.

JaunP on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 12:12 pm 



All comment since 7:00 are me JaunP the board lunatic

Anonymouse on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 12:14 pm 



Juan, give it a rest. Other need to have their voices heard besides you don’t say anything but rude and crude sex talk. Are you a pervert.?

Makati1 on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 12:15 pm 



Anon, these days I am afraid to even comment. Juan is not giving me enough safe space.

JuanP on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 12:17 pm 



Traitors, I thought you were my friends. I am doing all this Davy identity theft for you Mak. I love you

Cloggie on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 12:17 pm 



Siemens autonomous tram demo:

https://youtu.be/LR7Dwz1nRIs

Davy on Sun, 16th Dec 2018 12:18 pm 



After six years of this shit, I doubt very much that I’m fooling anybody here at all anymore.