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Somewhere, a Tiger Yawns
“Simple, scalable, and shovel ready. China is moving negative emissions from laboratory to field trial to massive industrial scale.“
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| Oldest known agricultural village, Jianping China |
It’s no secret that The Paris Agreement, humanity’s best attempt to date to thwart our own extinction, is inadequate to the task, although it provided some mechanisms by which to raise ambitions as we collectively arrive at that realization.
As it is now, the Earth will likely be between 3.6 and 7 degrees Celsius warmer by the end of this century (continued expansion of fracking, which releases massive stores of methane to the atmosphere, could accelerate that to mid-century), and we would soon thereafter go extinct. A 7°C change would induce hyperthermia in humans and other mammals, as dissipation of metabolic heat becomes impossible.
Tipping points for positive feedback mechanisms triggered by the Anthropocene anomaly assure that the already warming condition will persist for thousands of years, placing the entire experiment of life on this third planet from the Sun at risk. Earth’s orbit is already at the innermost edge of a habitable range, and a small nudge like Hothouse Earth could push it inside the arc, to a climate resembling Venus.
Before this recent trip to China there was a path out of our climate catastrophe that had become clear to me, as it was to the scientists advising the Paris negotiators. We merely (wry smile) need to promptly curtail fossil emissions (something we are not doing — they are growing at a quickening pace, with renewable energy only adding to the rate of growth of energy use, ie.: consumerism); and we will need to deploy negative emissions technologies as quickly as humanly possible; akin to the Manhattan or Apollo programs, or Moore’s Law. My own Global Ecovillage Network’s nuanced approach to that solution involves adding ecovillages into the blend, as models of graceful de-consumerism, carrier media for the transition, and a more palatable carrot to the stick of draconian, government-imposed degrowth. Ecovillages shield degrowth from cultural blowback with a force field of iconic fashion memes.
The nascent negawatts industry was given a shot in the arm by Paris. With the world in serious need of a fix, all the wanna-be fixers got going. This past May the Stockholm Resilience Center — at present the world’s Manhattan Project for reversing climate change — hosted the First International Conference on Negative CO2 Emissions with 11 keynote speakers, 150 powerpoint presentations, 231 abstracts and 30 poster presentations. Presentations were provided on BECCS, DAC, Enhanced Mineralization, Carbon Farming, Marine Macroflora and Climate Ecoforestry. These are subjects I have been discussing in this space since at least 2009, with our first Carbon Farming course at The Farm, and before that, pre-blog, in articles and books since the early 1980s. Nonetheless, the Goteborg conference was a watershed, and it changed my mind about the practicability of several of these schemes.
Still, I have been advocating, and continue to advocate, for a “least pain” strategy that could stand a better chance of overcoming the main obstacle: social inertia. My strategy, first laid out in a proposal to the MacArthur Foundation in their 100 Million and Change competition two years ago and then more elegantly in a forthcoming book from Chelsea Green with Kathleen Draper, is a combination of natural climate solutions, cool farms, ecovillages, and microenterprise hubs called “cool labs.”In China I discovered we are not the only ones thinking of this. In many ways, the Chinese have taken it much farther, much faster. After teaching an ecology module for a month-long ecovillage design course provided by the Global Ecovillage Network at the UNESCO-China Dujiangyang Training Center, I flew to Nanjing and then traveled by train to Jianping, in Western Liaoning Province, far in the Northeastern part of China near the Korean border, to attend the International Biomass/Biochar Green Technology Conference for Rural Revitalization sponsored by Nanjing Agricultural University.
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| A massive birds’ nest dome shelters the birthplace of Chinese argiculture |
Jianping is known for being the archaeological epicenter for explorations of the origins of Chinese agriculture 7700 years ago. It is therefore very fitting that this should also be the site of China’s new agricultural revolution. After walking through one of the huge museum domes erected to protect a 4500 BCE village site, we went to Xiaopingfang, sometimes called China’s “first village.” Xiaopingfang is now in the process of becoming an ecological village, called a “Dream Village” by President Xi Jinping, “according to the overall requirements of building a new socialist countryside; a new rural construction road of relying on resources to strengthen industry, relying on industry to feed agriculture.” I reported two years ago about China’s plan to construct 100 new ecovillages in 5 years. Now I was looking at one of those.
There are altogether seven natural villages in Xiaopingfang, thirteen villagers’groups, 3167 people, 881 households, covering an area of 28,000 mu (4613 acres). While the co-housing arrangement of the streets, and the provision of garden space to each home seemed to make the lives of the elderly farmers better, I had a hard time seeing how this fancy new village would support itself in this remote rural region, but then I got the second half of the tour.
We stopped at a vast expanse of grain fields where villagers were out harvesting millet, sorghum, maize and soybeans by hand. In 2007, the total output value of industry and agriculture of Xiaopingfang Village stood at 150 million yuan, 24 million yuan of taxes paid, 18 million yuan of collective economic income, and 7500 yuan of per capita net income of farmers. Today it is several times a multiple of that, thanks to biochar. Today a farmer can make 250 to 500 yuan more per day than before while paying little to nothing for fertilizer and getting a 15% or better yield from his farm.
Two years ago Kathleen Draper and I toured an experimental biorefinery near Nanjing where a prototype Beijing Sanju rotary kiln produced 1.5 megawatts of electricity while daily processing 30 or more tons of rice straw into biochar and wood vinegar. The biorefinery had discovered a 15% boost in fertilizer effect on rice and vegetable yield when it quenched the hot char with wood vinegar, comparable in many ways to quenching with urine. Another benefit of the new fertilizer was the water normally required in dry times of the year — with biochar no extra water was needed. Now, here in Jianping, one of the driest areas east of the Gobi, we saw that technique taken to scale with one of the 25 larger Beijing Sanju rotary kilns that had been plunked down around China to exploit Nanjing Agricultural University’s breakthrough.
In this dry region, the drought-proofing organic fertilizer business allowed farmers to plant 3000 mu of Nanguo pear, build a large-scale fresh storehouse and two water storage ponds. A grass-fed organic egg industry joined the organic green Nanguo pear industry. As we walked through earthen-walled shadehouses for tomatoes, cucumbers and peppers, we could see a dramatic difference between test plots without biochar and test plots with. The vegetables grow faster and bigger, do not require water in the dry season, have fewer pests and can be harvested sooner. While not certified organic (macronutrients are still supplemented and some pesticides used) it is marketed as “Grade A Green Food.”
Taking advantage of Shuangwang Mountain’s rich historical legends and natural resource attractions, such as Wofoling, Shenxian Cave and Eighteen Arhats, a new eco-tourism draw, an asphalt road to the mountaintop Yuanzhao Temple has been built and the Tianxiu Mountain Forest Park in Chaijiaying has been developed. China’s rural revitalization investment for Jianping’s eco-tourism is now 5 million yuan.
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| Pan Genxing in earth-sheltered shadehouse |
China has 200 more of these Cool Lab projects on its drawing boards, each shiny new $2 million Beijing Sanju reactor converting 100,000 tons of formerly burned crop wastes into biofertilizer custom blends for the particular plants, soils and climate of the region — every one a 66 megaton/year carbon sink.
As I shifted my travel mode from tour bus to chauffeured limousine (occasionally in a cavalcade with black suited bodyguards in bulletproof SUVs) I was directed to the design studios of the Chinese Academy of Sciences and its Institute of Architecture Design and Research. Here, where all of China’s major construction projects must apply for approval, the same rapid process is moving biochar into buildings, roads and bridges. Simple, scalable, and shovel ready. China is moving negative emissions from laboratory to field trial to massive industrial scale.
China’s “ecological civilization” concept was first announced by Xi Jinping in 2007, in a report to the 17th National People’s Congress. At the Third Plenary Session of the 18th Central Committee in 2013, China mandated Eco-Civilization as a national goal in its Constitution. In April 2015, China began performing natural resources audits when local officials leave their posts, so as to force officials pay attention to environmental protection while in office, or be held to account when they leave. A pilot scheme or rural revitalization such as in Jianping is being carried out in five different locations, in three stages: launch in 2015, expansion in 2016, then in 2017 full audits in the trial locations, with regular audits every year from 2018.
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| Biodegradable plastic wares in department store |
Treatment of crop residues has been an increasing challenge for China, as it is for India, Indonesia and many other populous countries. China placed a ban on burning these residues to try to alleviate the smog in Beijing and other cities. Introducing pyrolysis changed the issue from a liability to an asset. It gave China an indisputable lead in building soil carbon and developing “green agriculture.” Biochar from wastes has moved out of the laboratory and into commercial production in a mere 3 years. Soon it will be ubiquitous in Chinese agriculture, and then, as part of Xi Jinping’s New Silk Road, will spread to Africa, Latin America and other parts of the world. The same could happen for carbonized municipal wastes entombed in urban infrastructure. We are no longer talking about mere megatons of carbon dioxide removal. Now we are speaking of tens of gigatons.
Even as Neocon economists levied $200 billion in tariffs to keep Chinese goods out of US markets, we watched President Xi meeting with President Putin in Vladivostok and signing trade and technology exchange deals that could combine Russia’s science and manufacturing might with China’s to deploy negative emissions plants such as these everywhere in the world.
Except, well, you know where.
The Great Change by Albert Bates
42 Comments on "Somewhere, a Tiger Yawns"
George Straight on Mon, 24th Sep 2018 2:13 pm
Sounds very promising….yes, I feel better now, because I can’t feel no worse..
FAKE NEWS
Roger on Mon, 24th Sep 2018 3:48 pm
” (continued expansion of fracking, which releases massive stores of methane to the atmosphere, could accelerate that to mid-century)”
Obviously Mr. Bates isn’t concerned with facts. I quit reading there.
makati1 on Mon, 24th Sep 2018 5:50 pm
Well, George and Roger, denial will not change anything. Just because you don’t want to believe it does not mean it is not true. I didn’t see anything in the article that I would call ‘fake news’, and methane release is likely to be the match that explodes the climb in temps and ends humanity forever.
I do think that it is too late, but at least they are trying. You cannot say the same thing about the US. All the US is doing is trying to get a major war started to cover up its decline.
George Straight on Mon, 24th Sep 2018 6:36 pm
Ya, I tried to stop watching porn hub also,
Mak attack….sure they are trying to cut emissions…sure they are
All FAKE news…
Anontarded1 on Mon, 24th Sep 2018 8:17 pm
china is a closed society like russia. any news is suspect. best they can do is stop stealing secrets from my supertards. open up the china firewall and we’ll talk
I AM THE MOB on Mon, 24th Sep 2018 8:38 pm
Starbucks plans corporate shake-up and layoffs, starting with senior execs
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/starbucks-plans-corporate-shake-up-layoffs/?utm_content=buffer6927a&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=owned_buffer_tw_m
Boney Joe on Mon, 24th Sep 2018 11:09 pm
At least the Chinese are trying and innovating, which is far more than the Americans. It’s so typical of Americans to declare fake news and ignore mounting problems.
The source for this article, Albert Bates, is a mainstream source, not known for fabricating news.
George Straight on Tue, 25th Sep 2018 1:28 am
I know of Albert Bates….he’s mislead into thinking we are seriously pursuing reducing greenhouse emissions. Sorry, it is FAKE NEWS
Go Speed Racer on Tue, 25th Sep 2018 3:00 am
If the temperature goes up by 7 degrees C,
and we’re all going to die,
well I can just turn up the air conditioner
and pour myself a cool drink.
My residential air conditioner is a big one,
it will lower the temperature by 7 degrees C no problem.
Antius on Tue, 25th Sep 2018 5:34 am
More delusions from the German left.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-24/jesus-would-have-voted-socialist-says-germanys-left
The historical Jesus was a revolutionary Jewish nationalist attempting to rally his people against Romano-Greek colonisation. When he preaches ‘love thy neighbour’ he is talking about fellow Jews. These statements of love and peace should be understood as an attempt to encourage ‘his’ people to forget their differences and band together against a common enemy. The poor were glorified, because the rich were invariably Roman patsies, tied to the Jerusalem puppet government.
If Jesus were German and alive today, not only would he have voted AfD, he would probably have been its leader.
Mark 7:24-30 King James Version (KJV):
24 And from thence he arose, and went into the borders of Tyre and Sidon, and entered into an house, and would have no man know it: but he could not be hid.
25 For a certain woman, whose young daughter had an unclean spirit, heard of him, and came and fell at his feet:
26 The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation; and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter.
27 But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.
28 And she answered and said unto him, Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the children’s crumbs.
29 And he said unto her, For this saying go thy way; the devil is gone out of thy daughter.
30 And when she was come to her house, she found the devil gone out, and her daughter laid upon the bed.
In other words: “Get lost. You aren’t part of my Jewish tribe”. The women persists. “OK. I will help you if you agree to piss off and let me alone”.
Davy on Tue, 25th Sep 2018 6:05 am
Let’s be clear there is no negative emissions with modern human arrangements. Modern human efforts are always a carbon producer. These villages are connected and supported by the rest of modern global village. That said this is a route forward for putting people back to the land in lower emission scenarios. I would think with the world aging people like me who are in their 50’s and still strong enough to farm should be coaxed to these places instead of gated beach front homes and golf courses. We need to lower the bucket list travel for people approaching retirement and put them to meaningful work. Young unemployed people can be coaxed to these places like many did in the 60’s to the Peace Corp. It does not have to be as elaborate and showy as this Chinese experiment. It can be like I do with a simple permaculture farm or like Juan does with his urban community gardens. We have to start small and realistic unfortunately time is running out so it needs to start yesterday.
None of us are going to leave modernism completely and achieve much. Some can go off the grid and into the bush and be near zero emissions. Most of us have no choice but to dwell in a world of huge emissions that frowns on zero emissions unless there is a profit motive. If we could just get this system to allow less emissions like we set aside land for natural parks. We need to put people back to the land in meaningful employment in reduced emission situations producing food. This food production effort needs to aline with the natural cycles. The nutrient cycle, hydrologic cycle, the seasonal cycle of food, and the cycle of intermittency of solar and wind. This means animal power like the Amish but not completely because let’s stay realistic or it won’t work. Yes, renewables should be part of this but simple robust renewables based on individual applications and small micro grids where demand management can be practiced. This biochar approach to farming is a great application. I am not up on it but it sounds very promising.
I am doing the basic permaculture of pasture raised animals with garden, orchard, and grapes. I promote natural land on our farm. I use wood for heat and water heating. I have a renewable system. I try to drive as little as possible but I am still reliant on fossil fuels. I am still attached to the grid. I do a hybrid battery/solar and grid power arrangement. I do all this with the support of modern globalism and without animal labor other than my livestock guardian dogs. I wish I could be otherwise but in this modern world it is not possible in places like I live. We need smaller eco focused communities or something like these Chinese are doing in this article. I would like to see the price tag of this Chinese eco-village. These things take huge investment I know because I am doing it on a small scale. Small community in place efforts it could be less expensive because the government could promote it as a way to lower emissions and get people out of high emission lifestyles and it is there already. Small communities could actually coalesce in place where they already have the seeds of possibility. This is the politics I embrace. I would become active politically if I could promote this revolutionary change to modern life.
We as in the status quo of modernism are likely doomed for natural reasons like climate change, ecosystem destruction, and the ongoing extinction event. We are also systematically doomed because of our economic arrangements of unsustainable growth and population increases. Yet, we need a lifeboat and we need to slow down the leaking ship. We can do this and it would not cost near as much as trying to remake something that will likely not work like our techno crazies are promoting. What we likely can’t do is have our cake and eat it but we can make do with the crumbs. We likely can’t make things right and have a happy ending. Let’s embrace the stages of death here and get to the last one in honesty. Blind pursuit of modernism fake green or dirty is not how the planet works. This is not how the web of life works. If we accept how the planet and its web of life works then we can work towards being less destructive of it. The planet and the web of life will actually help us instead of fight us like an autoimmune disease.
The problem is we have gone too far into overshoot to fix things. Let’s try the next best thing that is embrace permaculture. We are doing this failed effort with energy globally because of the failed Paris agreement that is allowing continued coal generation in the 3rd world. We are trying to do grandiose renewable construction and almost no focus on permaculture back to the land strategies. Grandiose is not going to work. It will be the strategy because this is modern human nature. Can’t we take a part of that huge expense and put it to more simple less expensive arrangements?? These efforts will likely succeed and many of these grandiose efforts fail as stranded assets in a declining world. They will fail because they do not have the human behavior element within them. They have the failed status quo mentality with shiny techno veneer.
Instead of focusing solely on energy lets focus on behavior too. Put people back to the land in low emission scenarios. We can also do good urban strategies but by far the best efforts are localism within seasonal arrangements that embrace intermittency all centered on the natural cycles of life. There are a thousand way to approach this because of the vast amount of different ecosystems on this planet but they would all center on what I have described above. This is the only way forward with a future. The techno options are part of it but not the techno behavior. Techno is not the solution but it is part of the solution. The behavior has to be real green not fake green like most all techno greens are. We have to lower affluence and comfort and live stoic lives in the name of something greater and that is the planet and its web of life.
Cloggie on Tue, 25th Sep 2018 7:51 am
Jesus, a Jewish nationalist?
Strange then that his own people brought him to death.
I see him as the world’s greatest antisemite, who distanced himself from Jewish tribalism to preach a religion of universal love, a very un-Jewish thing to do. The idea that he wanted to incite fellow Jews to an armed struggle against Romans is completely incompatible with his Other Cheek creed.
The Jews brought Jesus to death because he was a Jewish defector, who had spilled the beans about the deepest motivations of this tribe, lying and murdering:
“You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies. But because I tell the truth, you do not believe me” (vv. 44–45).
Until today Jesus is despised by the Jews for exactly that reason:
https://youtu.be/Z9XUXQGpxqY
I’m not a fan of the Jews, or Jesus, I like the Romans much better, but at least Jesus got his tribe right.
And yes, Jesus would have voted pacifist-socialist, if he would have voted at all.
Regarding Jesus and peak oil… if the fella could change water in wine, he surely must have been able to…
Paolo Martini on Tue, 25th Sep 2018 9:38 am
What a busload of nonsense
Davy on Tue, 25th Sep 2018 9:47 am
Jesus would not have voted, anyone who has studied his teachings would know this. I am sure he would frown upon skydaddy worship also. His message has been butcherd and bastardized by MSR.
Estamos Jodidos on Tue, 25th Sep 2018 11:14 am
Here in the high desert of the Colorado Plateau, we (my wife and I) do our best with “permaculture”. If I were younger, I would correct the mistake i made years ago, and that was relying on machines to do the heavy work. I’d have found a good team of mules, and bought old farm implements. I’d have been much further ahead. As it is, I have spent thousands of dollars on farm equipment that will be worthless without a fossil fuel powered grid. At 74 years of age, I won’t be cutting my hay with a scythe, or planting our 1/2 acre garden with a stick. That said, my wife and I live off our place; we grow all of our vegetables; we raise beef for sale to our neighbors, and for our table, goats for both milk, cheese, and meat, and chickens for eggs. We’ve got a herd of bunnies coming along for freezer meat. Yep, a freezer and a freezer needs electricity, and a grid hookup. My last project will be a root cellar and a smokehouse and then maybe we can get along without a freezer, maybe. I just bought a new .223 caliber rifle, with a good scope, because .223 caliber ammunition is inexpensive and with the scope it kills deer that we bottle for winter time stews and tacos. In the county in which I live, there are a few families, and I mean, a few, who live as we live. Our economy is based upon cattle ranching and open range grazing. But……, we’ve had very little rain this past 12 months and according to the national weather folks, we’re in anywhere from “extreme” to “exceptional” drought. So, lots of cattle are coming off of the mountain way early and many are being sold. Few will go to the winter range in the desert this year. Believe it or not, few, of my ranching neighbors know how to grow a good garden. We have a single grocery store in the county and that’s where food for their families comes from. Yep, this is going to hurt.
Davy on Tue, 25th Sep 2018 11:50 am
Always good to hear from you Estamos. Don’t weaken
I AM THE MOB on Tue, 25th Sep 2018 12:06 pm
When economic collapse comes, he will seize absolute control.
The Senate will be too scared to resist.
The military will obey whoever pays their wages and back the new ruler.
And your democracy is over..
Anontarded1 on Tue, 25th Sep 2018 12:19 pm
^mm^ you’re wrong. if you say the p*ssy grabber (pbuh, swt) is a dictator then you’re well served to mention his effort to start the trump tv channel. this is going to be a failure because running a TV show is different form running a media outlet. plus i view this attempt as something to defend himself against “fake news”.
politics is only effective if you are able to motive the masses. the government does it by changing the picture of the new headtard. you see this if you go into a govt. building. but to be able to move the populace he has to control the media and he doesn’t. he had to do the hard work of going to rallys.
no, he’s just a player, a useful actor in the maintenance of the republic that founding supertards intended.
since he fulfilled my agenda which i mentioned elsewhere, he’s free to grab anything known to horny men for all i care.
Cloggie on Tue, 25th Sep 2018 12:25 pm
“When economic collapse comes, he will seize absolute control.
The Senate will be too scared to resist.
The military will obey whoever pays their wages and back the new ruler.
And your democracy is over..”
you are talking about Jesus?
Antius on Tue, 25th Sep 2018 12:40 pm
“I’m not a fan of the Jews, or Jesus, I like the Romans much better, but at least Jesus got his tribe right.
And yes, Jesus would have voted pacifist-socialist, if he would have voted at all.”
I would recommend the following two books:
https://www.amazon.com/ZEALOT-Life-Times-Jesus-Nazareth/dp/140006922X
https://www.amazon.com/James-Brother-Jesus-Unlocking-Christianity/dp/014025773X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1537896777&sr=1-1&keywords=james+the+brother+of+jesus+by+robert+eisenman
The modern Christian version of Jesus as a cosmopolitan socialist, is just about the opposite of who the man really was and are basically fabrications of the Romanised Jew ‘Saul’ who would later be known as St Paul. After the fall of Jerusalem, this is the only version of Christianity to have survived.
We can say this with some confidence, because Jesus’ brother ‘James’ lead the Christian movement for some three decades after his brothers death. If his opinions and ideals were anything like his brother’s, Jesus was strongly nationalistic and racialistic.
Anonymouse1 on Tue, 25th Sep 2018 1:13 pm
In case you hadn’t it out yet, ‘Antius’ here, is cloggenyids sock puppet. Because all the other retards and autistics are doing it around here, so why not?
Cloggie on Tue, 25th Sep 2018 1:39 pm
Not pretending to know all the answers about J.C., but skimming through this…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_the_Brother_of_Jesus_(book)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zealot:_The_Life_and_Times_of_Jesus_of_Nazareth
…doesn’t prompt me to change my views on J.C. or, far more important, on Christianity.
I stick to the Nietzschean view that Christianity represents a disaster, the single most important reason for the downfall of the Roman Empire, the highest life-affirming manifestation of our “Aryan DNA” to date. It is from Christianity that socialism/communism were derived, even greater disasters.
After 2000 years it is time to finally bury this cult, switch to paganism…
https://archive.org/stream/OnBeingAPagan/OnBeingAPagan_djvu.txt
…and perhaps create a new religeon later, free of influence of “those people”.
Antius on Tue, 25th Sep 2018 1:46 pm
“When economic collapse comes, he will seize absolute control.
The Senate will be too scared to resist.
The military will obey whoever pays their wages and back the new ruler.
And your democracy is over..”
It is cute that you think this will happen after the collapse, I.e. that it hasn’t happened already. Democracy is already a sham in the UK and from what I have heard, it is beyond salvation in the US also. Left-wing idealism and moral absolutism lead naturally to totalitarian regimes.
I AM THE MOB on Tue, 25th Sep 2018 1:51 pm
Is the entire Christian faith riding on the fact that a Jewish girl lied about having an affair, in order to avoid being stoned to death?
I AM THE MOB on Tue, 25th Sep 2018 1:52 pm
Clogg
Oil market hears echoes of 2007/8: Kemp
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-oil-opec-kemp/oil-market-hears-echoes-of-2007-8-kemp-idUSKCN1M41NF
The peak oil zombie is back!
Call up Heinberg we are getting the band back together! Party like its 2006!
Cloggie on Tue, 25th Sep 2018 1:57 pm
“In case you hadn’t it out yet, ‘Antius’ here, is cloggenyids sock puppet. Because all the other retards and autistics are doing it around here, so why not?”
Why don’t perform some rain dance for us, mouse1 and spare us your titanically wrong “insights”.
While it is true that I regard Antius as one of the brightest minds on this board and one of the very few I can every now and then learn something from, he fully understands the JQ, he has zero problems with being and acting white, he is a very rare British white nationalist, but at the same time he is absolutely no Lord Haw-Haw…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Haw-Haw
…and remains committed to Brexit and Anglosphere, where I in contrast am a hardcore neo-Gaullist continental European (“Natzi” for the numerous dummies here).
Additionally in matters of energy I am committed to the EU 100% renewable energy project, where Antius in contrast choses nuclear, although he probably can be sold on a mix of nuclear and renewable.
Try to get in that thick African skull of yours that I am Dutch, not an Israeli and that Antius is a Brit and a different person than I am.
Most here btw are posting via a single account, with exception of millimind and Davy, who infrequently cannot resist the temptation to corrupt this forum by posting under different nicks.
Anontarded1 on Tue, 25th Sep 2018 2:11 pm
^mm^ you’re obsessed about sex and that’s not good bro. this thing is a sort of all kinds of problems and that includes circumsition. the SENTAPBVs are sexually frustrated and they want “white sharia” so they can stop being incels. the muslims degrade their women so much that they rather hump boys. you all should emulate me because i’m a perfect human being. i don’t score but i don’t hate women either. wouldn’t the world be happy if we all so.
supremetard actually did united rome by saying turning the other cheek. for the same cause he prevented europed from having their azz up in the air 5 times a day. they still paid the jizya back in time when supertard jefferson fought the barbary wars (being non-interventionists and all).
dude, superemtard would tell you to today to lay off attack on p*ssy grabber because we’re on the same team, sort of.
i have a sneaky suspicion that the sharia punishments are mainly on non muslims. there are specific cases one could check out. some supertard will do a study on it and report back.
what supremetard said is to be nice to one another in the same team. this allows us to work together better. i don’t think he needed to tell you to fight, supertards can do that.
that’s the genius of supremetard.
Antius on Tue, 25th Sep 2018 3:47 pm
I’m not sure I could honestly say that I am committed to the Anglosphere. The more I learn about the British government, the more I utterly despise them. They have ruthlessly plotted against their own people for decades, especially since the New Labour years. They have abolished freedom of speech and still have the audacity to describe themselves as democrats.
Ever wondered why the British do not have a populist nationalist movement like France, Germany or Sweden? It’s because they are all in prison. The British government defines an extremist as being anyone that does not share neoliberal values. And if you are an extremist, then you are treated as a potential terrorist and can expect to have your internet activity monitored, your phone tapped and if you dare to say anything non-PC, expect your door to be smashed down in the middle of the night by Britain’s own secret police force: the aptly named ‘terror police’.
Part of the problem does stem from the Yid corruption of the British political system. But it was all too easy for them. The British state has always been run by an arrogant hereditary elite, contemptuous of the proles. They never really embraced the idea of democracy and only keep it up for appearances. Who needs enemies with friends like that?
George Straight on Wed, 26th Sep 2018 1:20 am
Approaching tsunami” of coal plants
China is building an extra 259 gigawatts of coal plants, increasing capacity by 25%. This is huge, bearing in mind that apparently half the planet’s existing coal plants are in China.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/26/satellite-images-show-runaway-expansion-of-coal-power-in-china
Antius on Wed, 26th Sep 2018 2:04 am
Chinese coal production is past peak. Maybe they are replacing old low efficiency plants with more modern supercritical plants? That would be a sensible way of stretching their depleting resources.
Cloggie on Wed, 26th Sep 2018 4:00 am
Corbyn promisses Green Jobs revolution in the UK:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6207779/Jeremy-Corbyn-announce-green-jobs-revolution-plans-promising-400-000-new-jobs.html
Current UK wind turbine inventory:
Onshore 7100
Offshore 2000
Corbyn target:
Onshore 7000 extra
Offshore 12000 extra
Panels on every ‘viable’ roof
400,000 new green jobs to realize it all
Antius on Wed, 26th Sep 2018 5:39 am
“Corbyn promisses Green Jobs revolution in the UK”
Another piece of Green virtue signalling from one of the world’s foremost central planning fantasists. There is so much wrong with this idea that I don’t know where to start. It smacks of utter idealism.
Firstly, ‘jobs’ and productive industries are things that grow from individual initiative and investments of money, time and vision. They aren’t things that government creates with the wave of a hand. This man has learned nothing from a century of socialist failure.
Secondly; there is nothing about the way Britain works that is remotely green. The whole industrial consumerist way of life that we live requires enormous and ever increasing throughputs of resources using globalised manufacturing and distribution systems. Enormous throughputs of energy and raw materials, which ultimately goes to waste. How we produce electricity is almost beside the point.
Thirdly; a (relatively) minor point. I demonstrated on this board previously that mass installation of rooftop solar PV makes no economic or practical sense. The levelised cost of energy of solar is lowest in utility grade plants installed on flat ground, producing 10’s to 100s of MW per plant. The cost of land is a negligible contribution to the cost of a kWh of electric power, even in places where agricultural land is expensive like Holland. Like wind turbines, the EROI and cost competitiveness of solar power improves with economy of scale.
Fourthly, there remains no recognition of the fact that society will need to adapt to the characteristics of renewable energy sources, i.e. intermittency on daily, seasonal and annual timescales and, possibly, higher cost of energy. They are not a like for like replacement for more dispatchable powerplants. This is not an easy problem to solve and it is receiving far too little attention.
Davy on Wed, 26th Sep 2018 6:01 am
“New Climate Debate: How to Adapt to the End of the World”
https://tinyurl.com/ybqz6sms
“But some researchers are going further, calling for what some call the “deep adaptation agenda.” For Gosling, that means not only rapid decarbonization and storm-resistant infrastructure, but also building water and communications systems that won’t fail if the power grid collapses and searching for ways to safeguard the food supply by protecting pollinating insects. Propelling the movement are signs that the problem is worsening at an accelerating rate. In an article this summer in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 16 climate scientists from around the world argued that the planet may be much closer than previously realized to locking in what they call a “hothouse” trajectory—warming of 4C or 5C (7F or 9F), “with serious challenges for the viability of human societies. Jem Bendell, a professor at the University of Cumbria who popularized the term deep adaptation, calls it a mix of physical changes—pulling back from the coast, closing climate-exposed industrial facilities, planning for food rationing, letting landscapes return to their natural state—with cultural shifts, including “giving up expectations for certain types of consumption” and learning to rely more on the people around us. “The evidence before us suggests that we are set for disruptive and uncontrollable levels of climate change, bringing starvation, destruction, migration, disease and war,” he wrote in a paper he posted on his blog in July after an academic journal refused to publish it. “We need to appreciate what kind of adaptation is possible.”
William Clark, a Harvard professor and former MacArthur Fellow who edited the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences paper, is among those who worry about what might come next. “We are right on the bloody edge,” he says. Clark argues that in addition to quickly and dramatically cutting emissions, society should pursue a new scale of adaptation work. Rather than simply asking people to water their lawns less often, for example, governments need to consider large-scale, decades-long infrastructure projects, such as transporting water to increasingly arid regions and moving cities away from the ocean. “This is not your grandfather’s adaptation,” he says. Diana Liverman, a professor at the University of Arizona School of Geography and Development and one of the authors of this summer’s paper, says adapting will mean “relocation or completely different infrastructure and crops.” She cites last year’s book New York 2140, in which the science fiction author Kim Stanley Robinson imagines the city surviving under 50 feet of water, as “the extreme end of adaptation.” Relocating large numbers of homes away from the coast is perhaps the most expensive item on that list. The U.S. Federal Emergency Management Agency has spent $2.8 billion since 1989 to buy 40,000 homes in areas particularly prone to flooding, giving their owners the chance to move somewhere safer. But if seas rose 3 feet, more than 4 million Americans would have to move, according to a 2016 study in the journal Nature: Climate Change.”
“For Bendell, the question of when climate change might shake the Western social order is less important than beginning to talk about how to prepare for it. He acknowledges that his premise shares something with the survivalist movement, which is likewise built on the belief that some sort of social collapse is coming. But he says deep adaptation is different: It looks for ways to mitigate the damage of that collapse. “The discussion I’m inviting is about collective responses to reduce harm,” he says, “rather than how a few people could tough it out to survive longer than others.”
Davy on Wed, 26th Sep 2018 6:02 am
This baked in collapse process has been my thinking now for years. Whether it be climate change, energy, and or the systematic nature of human overshoot. We are really looking at multiple levels of overshoot. This would be natural with ecosystem and habitable climate destruction. It is physical and geologic with resource depletion. It is systematic with the human economy and social fabric. What makes this more serious is these risks are converging and mutually supportive creating positive reinforcements that are magnifying destructive effects. Our economy basis of growth on a finite planet is a well know danger. The fraying of the social fabric that allows complexity of a global village is just as dangerous because without cooperation and trust there is no global village.
My position is this planetary decline is an emergent process with a trajectory. This cannot be meaningfully changed nor stopped. We can begin to adapt to it and once changes start we will have the tools to mitigate the worst. We will not have a happy ending. This is the thresholds of late term civilization. We are on a trajectory of the end of modern man as we know it with his population growth and his unbridled consumption practices. Liberal democratic ideas of individualism and market based capitalism are not compatible with these changes. Yet, let’s be clear we have no choice but to continue with the cooperative competition of this global democratic market based capitalistic system. There is no alternative that can scale up and replace. The undertaking is too large and the pace of natural and systematic change too swift. This means blame and complain is useless and it also means talk of traditional change is blind to the catch 22 trap we now find ourselves in.
Techno optimism and a social narrative of human exceptionalism of the individual and human intelligence must give way to a nature based more humble narrative of adaptation and survival. We are heading for a time of the small mammals and the dinosaurs where we eke out an existence on the fringes of a hostile planet of our own making. The point of “deep adaptation” is this may be years away but the time for change is now. Those of you like me that are in our 50’s or older may not know this time of a hell on earth but it is likely the youngest around us will. Yet, those of us over 50 will see dramatic changes that will shake society to its core and maybe end it. What we need is behavior based changes from a grass roots up swell of individuals who are rejecting the status quo of politics and industrialism and it corruption and greed. These powerful forces behind our corrupt political and economic system cannot be fought head on but they can be yielded to and bypassed in small individual ways. How this behavioral change coalesces will have to be over the internet because public discourse frowns on any kind of talk that challenges the current narrative of techno optimism in the manifestation of human exceptionalism.
You as an individual can start this process. You can reject brown and fake green living. Pursue a real green living of behavioral changes. Clean up your agenda. Get the deadwood out of your lives. Realize the profound changes that are on the way. Do this while being a part of the current status quo but use the current status quo to leave it. Practice relative sacrifice and behavior that reflects collapsing in place. Practice real green activities that focus on simplicity and low emissions. You do this for the planet and humans. This is a movement of sacrifice not conquest of nature and other humans. Mental toughness will be needed because this will not be fair and suffering will be everywhere. If need be incorporate your higher power into this behavior based movement. Technology is part of this. Materialism that respects goods with a future is part but technology is not the answer. It is intellectually lazy to put our faith in technology. We must also realize we cannot leave the techno complexity we have created without visiting the collapse we are trying to adapt to. We are stuck with technology and complexity with “deep adaptation”. This means a hybrid of the old and new. Animal power with solar panels. This means returning to a world of old with proven technology with the understanding eventually we will not have much of this technology. It means opening a door that once passed through there will be no return. This means a new spirituality and human based myth that rejects the myth created by modern man.
Antius on Wed, 26th Sep 2018 6:44 am
“These powerful forces behind our corrupt political and economic system cannot be fought head on but they can be yielded to and bypassed in small individual ways. How this behavioral change coalesces will have to be over the internet because public discourse frowns on any kind of talk that challenges the current narrative of techno optimism in the manifestation of human exceptionalism.”
You are self-evidently correct that the political oligarchs that run the western world are increasingly intolerant of anyone that does not share their ideals. Open opposition will increasingly land you in prison.
In the UK for example, not sharing the political mainstream’s self-defined ‘British Values’ makes you an extremist by their definition, which makes you a person of interest to the security services. That means you are likely to fall victim to the ‘Terror Police’, Britain’s own secret police force. People in this category includes people with conservative / right-wing views; animal rights activitists, etc. Anyone that might present a challenge to prevailing orthodoxy.
But why would you think the internet was a good way of reaching people? Everything you do there is recorded and traceable. Much better to set up underground movements behind closed doors that are actually real communities for those interested and invited.
Davy on Wed, 26th Sep 2018 7:50 am
The internet is essential at this point because many have no personal contact with likeminded individuals. This may be risky as you say but again what are you promoting? If you are yielding to greater powers that can crush you and making a big effort to remain below the radar screen than it is likely these “terror police” will go after more inviting targets like the extremist to their agenda. You become a soft extremist and nonconformist but without drawing attention and inviting conflict. I have found if you look for trouble you will find it. If you avoid it, it will avoid you. Is this fail safe…NO but it is life because a tree may fall on you today. Some will not make it others will. Underground movements are a great idea if you have the critical mass of individuals in close proximity.
The nature of this movement is localism. It is based on adapted behaviors that focus on a new planetary outlook. We are basing our needs and expectations on the planet and its web of life not some abstract human construction. This can also be within a family and even with an individual. A properly orientated family is a powerful force of cohesion. An individual can connect with nature and do powerful changes in his local environment. This is about the reforestation of proper humanness with wisdom. It is about less affluence but better resulting affluence. It is also about humility and simplicity in stoic living. The humility comes from recognition the planet has been damage and we will suffer the consequences. The simplicity is a recognition that tools of adaptation that will mitigate these planetary and systematic human risks are simplicity based, robust, and durable. Materialism is about reverence for well-built tools that allow survival not fake consumerism and techno titillations. This is about returning to the old ways with new ideas from what has been a time of great discovery. We do not have to reject modernism completely but we must reject the myth of modernism and its techno optimism and human exceptionalism of knowledge. It must be recognized that uncontrolled intelligence is madness and chaos.
So if the terror police want to reeducate someone like this I think they are really desperate. The terror police are looking for militants. This movement acknowledges that the status quo must be used to leave it. To end the status quo will participate collapse faster than the slower process of planetary and social decline. Leaving the status quo by using it is rejecting the myth and values the status quo is promoting but acknowledging we still must cooperate and produce or we all starve. Leaving the status quo is spiritual and lifestyle based. Do you really need a status quo vacation because that is what we are told?
If your goal is not destruction of the police state but a nonviolent rejection of it then I imagine you will be safe. I am not saying you should avoid conflict and become weak. On the contrary make your position strong and not worth their time. Be dedicated and ready to make the ultimate sacrifice for those of your group. This means being strong, healthy, and brave. It means recognizing this will be a time of trouble that cannot be hid from. Multidimensional risks will be everywhere and there is no hiding. There is only yielding. Many will not survive. I know this message does not appeal to the young hot heads who crave conflict and conquest of what they feel is right and just. They are little different than the terror police and this bad blood will seek out bad blood and partially eliminate itself. I am all ears for alternatives and as for myself I am always adapting to new ideas and situations. Change ahead will be destructive but this does not mean you cannot harness this destructive change to produce constructive results.
Antius on Wed, 26th Sep 2018 9:18 am
Davy, The US is a different world to the UK. There is a written constitution protecting the individual from the arbitrary powers of the state. In my opinion, that constitution is one the highest achievements of mankind. It essentially says that you are free to stand for and disseminate ideas and you will not be targeted by the state unless you physically threaten people or conspire to murder them. Whilst these historic protections are under threat, they still exist in principle. Saying something unpopular may lose you friends; it may even cost you a job, but it won’t land you in prison or get you murdered by secret police.
The UK isn’t like that. There is no constitution outlining inalienable rights of individuals. In the UK, simply expressing a contrary opinion can land you in serious trouble. Saying the wrong thing can land you in prison for ‘inciting hatred’ or using ‘threatening or abusive language’. Having the wrong set of ideas, a collection of contrary literature, etc., can be construed to mean that you are planning to ‘incite hatred’ or planning to carry out actions not consistent with ‘British values’. The place does not have the intellectual freedoms that people in the US take for granted. What you are allowed to believe in and disseminate to others, is determined by the state. There are government moles everywhere; checking the internet; infiltrating protest groups; encouraging people to commit crimes so they can be arrested, etc. The situation is every bit as oppressive as George Orwell imagined in his dystopian book 1984. Even posting my comments on this board is a risky thing for me to do. This makes any sort of counter-culture movement impossible unless it is hidden from the eyes of the state.
I AM THE MOB on Wed, 26th Sep 2018 9:23 am
Antius
you are a fucking moron..Go fuck yourself you right wing angry incel neckbeard..Nobody loves you! You are scum of society, someone who wants to rile over innocent people up for no reason, but to make them as upset as you feel on the inside..
Davy on Wed, 26th Sep 2018 9:24 am
Alright, Antius, then secret societies need to be the the Brexit for this type of movement.
Antius on Wed, 26th Sep 2018 9:43 am
Millimind retorts with all of the reason and articulacy that we have come to expect from him. He is damn right I feel upset inside! I feel the pent up rage of an entire race; abused, suppressed and trodden on by the very people that were supposed to protect them; including many that rescued from extermination at the hands of the Germans in WW2, who now openly plot to destroy us.
The bottom line is that ten people are arrested each day in the UK for political opinions that they express on Facebook. I am not talking about threats to kill or conspiracy to murder; just opinions that are not consistent with neoliberal dogma that the political mainstream force down our throats as ‘British Values’. Some of them go to prison for expressing what they believe in.
18 months ago, the UK Home Secretary banned a political movement because its values were not compatible with ‘British Values’. They were not terrorists; they did not threaten violence; they just didn’t agree with her views and expressed contrary opinions. Dozens of its members are now in prison, effectively making them prisoners of conscience. Faced with a situation like that, how much faith would you have in the British government? Would you be left with a warm feeling inside? Would you be willing to stick your neck out and take responsibility for some kind of counterculture movement?
I AM THE MOB on Wed, 26th Sep 2018 10:02 am
Antius
BOOO HOOO! I can’t be cruel to others for no reason..Boo hooo..
I am sorry you have a micro penis and are an social loser..But stop bitching and get out and change your life..Its nobody fault but yours..
Antius on Wed, 26th Sep 2018 12:28 pm
The UK tried to rig the 2016 election against Donald Trump. Still think that British corruption doesn’t effect you?
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2018/09/24/uk-begged-trump-not-declassify-russia-docs-cited-grave-concerns-over-steele-involvement.html