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Richard Heinberg: Avalanche
How bad could it get? For the United States, it seems there is no bottom.
Back in March, I wrote that the nation’s response to the coronavirus pandemic would likely shape its economic, political, and geopolitical fortunes for years or decades to come. Four months later, it’s time for a check-in. How’s that pandemic response going?
Not so well, it seems. The US has the world’s highest number of cases and deaths overall. And of the world’s 25 worst hotspots for transmission, in terms of new cases per day per million of population, 15 are US states.
Early success at “flattening the curve” of the graph of new cases reported daily was followed by a re-opening of the economy that was premature (i.e., before sufficient capacity for testing and contact tracing had been put in place), resulting in a surge of new cases.
Source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
The only good news the Trump administration can point to is a fairly stable and low death rate as compared to the number of new cases. This “low” death rate (hundreds are still dying each day) is attributable to improving treatment methods for patients who have been infected, a lower average age of those infected, and an understandable lag between the infection trend and the deaths trend. If the last of these factors is significant, then the number of daily deaths will start climbing soon—as the last few days’ numbers already seem to indicate.
In addition, the United States is one of the countries hardest hit economically by the pandemic. Its latest unemployment rate stands at 11.1 percent (which doesn’t include discouraged workers), as compared to Germany’s 5.5 percent, Japan’s 2.6 percent, and the UK’s 4 percent.
As bad as they are, these statistics don’t fully capture the situation. If the US federal government had a long-range plan for weathering the pandemic, perhaps the death and suffering would be justifiable. But evidently there is no realistic plan.
With its initial aversion to lockdowns and the wearing of facemasks, the Trump administration appeared to be hoping—whether intentionally or unintentionally—for Americans to achieve “herd immunity,” thereby eventually ending the pandemic. However, a recent Spanish study suggests that herd immunity may be an unreachable goal. The study found no evidence of widespread immunity to the virus, which had ravaged the country in earlier months. Just 5 percent of Spaniards were found to have antibodies to the virus, and 14 percent of people who previously tested positive for antibodies tested negative just weeks later. This finding suggests that people who experience mild symptoms do not have long-lasting protection from the disease.
And that in turn means that unless the pandemic is brought under control through quarantines, targeted lockdowns, and contact tracing, it could go on for a long time. Mass vaccination is at least a year away—if a workable vaccine can be produced. Countries like New Zealand and Taiwan acted early and vigorously to contain infections, essentially eliminating the disease from their populations. But that may no longer be possible for the US.
Increasingly, the pandemic is interacting with other, long-festering US problems such as economic inequality, unequal access to medical insurance, and general political dysfunction. Each problem is worsening the others. People with no health insurance hesitate to get tested for the coronavirus, even if they show symptoms. The wearing of facemasks has become politically stigmatized among a swath of the populace. And outrage at racial injustice has compelled millions to take to the streets at a moment when pandemic prudence says “stay home.”
For systems thinkers, self-reinforcing feedbacks are always a sign of impending trouble. Nature is full of balancing feedbacks (like predator-prey relationships), which tend to keep complex systems within acceptable operating parameters. In contrast, self-reinforcing feedbacks are power imbalances that increase until part of a system, or the system as a whole, gives way. An avalanche is a useful example of self-reinforcing feedback. Once snow and rock far above you start rolling downhill, gathering more material as they go, your options are either to flee or risk getting buried alive.
America faces an avalanche of economic, political, social, and epidemiological problems—some of long standing, some recent—that have been dealt with poorly, if at all. Now, all seem to be coming to a head simultaneously.
For Donald Trump, a different kind of avalanche may be in store. America is currently a giant repository of frustration, anger, and resentment seeking an outlet—i.e., someone to blame. Many Americans who believe their country is exceptional are reluctant to compare it unfavorably with any other nation. However, the statistics are readily available and easy to understand: they clearly show that the United States federal government has utterly botched its response to the worst pandemic in a century, and that tens of thousands of Americans have died needlessly as a result (let that sink in for a moment—tens of thousands). While Trump is adept at deflecting responsibility and projecting blame at his enemies, in this case it’s all too obvious where the buck must eventually stop.
History is full of examples of nations turning against their leaders (think Jimmy Carter in 1980 or Winston Churchill in 1945). Authoritarian leaders, whose support depends on their perceived strength and invincibility, tend to fall especially hard when they finally do fall. Followers who formerly would have continued to support the Supreme One even if he shot someone on Fifth Avenue (to borrow Trump’s colorful illustration) cannot abide seeing their hero as weak and vulnerable. When he starts to look like a loser, many former worshipers may suddenly decide that “I never really liked him anyway.”
Should Trump lose, his downfall may not be a particularly happy occasion, even for his many detractors. The election this November is likely to be the most chaotic and contentious in decades. Once all the mail-in ballots are counted, there may be a few moments of schadenfreude among long-time Trump haters. Meanwhile, however, his relatively few lingering followers will be hopping mad and yearning to unleash their fury at any available target, at any opportunity. The likely result: continuing political mayhem.
Moreover, even with a new government in charge, the pandemic will rage on. The damage from a disastrously poor initial response has already been done. Erosion of America’s political standing worldwide may slow, as other world leaders will no longer be tempted to make fun of the (new) US President behind his back, but the nation’s economy will likely continue to unravel as repercussions of the pandemic roil.
Further, the actions taken so far by the Federal Reserve and the federal government to shore up the US economy and its financial system have been dramatically skewed in favor of wealthy investors and folks who aren’t in immediate need of financial assistance—while millions of other households and small businesses are increasingly unable to make rent and debt payments. Before the pandemic, the nation was already drowning in levels of debt exceeding those leading up to the 2008 financial crisis. Now, as a result of the pandemic, much of that debt has become unrepayable. This poses an existential risk to the financial system (Nate Hagens has suggestions for how the worst could be averted).
Keep an eye on that snow-covered mountainside.
Doom or denial: Is there another path?
I was recently asked to comment on a dustup between some members of Extinction Rebellion (see Thomas Nicholas, Galen Hall, and Colleen Schmidt, “The Faulty Science, Doomism, and Flawed Conclusions of Deep Adaptation”) and Jem Bendell, founder of Deep Adaptation (see his “Letter to Deep Adaptation Advocate Volunteers about Misrepresentations of the Agenda and Movement”). Since the issues raised in this controversy seem relevant to readers of Resilience.org, I thought it might be worthwhile to accept the invitation and weigh in.
For those not familiar, Jem Bendell’s Deep Adaptation (DA) takes as its starting point the judgment that, because of unfolding human-induced climate impacts, the near-term utter collapse of society is nearly inevitable. Extinction Rebellion (XR) is an activist movement that uses civil disobedience to compel government action to avoid climate tipping points that would lock in trends leading ultimately to ecological and social collapse. In simplistic terms, you could say that Deep Adaptation is about accepting and coping with the reality of climate-driven collapse while Extinction Rebellion is about acting to prevent it.
The nub of the controversy is this: some folks involved in Extinction Rebellion think that Bendell is being too fatalistic, thereby discouraging his followers from taking actions that might still save civilization and global ecosystems. Bendell, in his response, accuses his critics of ignoring evidence and misrepresenting his views.
I don’t propose to plunge into the weeds, adjudicating each point raised in each essay. Instead, I prefer to step back and offer my own interpretation of the evidence, and then discuss the subtext of the dispute.
My conclusion, after years of studying environmental research literature, is that some form of societal collapse is indeed highly probable this century, depending on how we define “collapse.” Quite a few environmental scientists with whom I’m acquainted agree with this assessment. With regard to climate change, the problem is not that global warming has already proceeded too far to be reined in (on that point I am agnostic: I agree with the XR authors that the science is not yet settled, and they make some good points in this regard); rather, it’s that the things we would have to do to minimize climate change would undermine industrial societies by other means. That last statement requires some substantiation.
The only realistic way to minimize climate change is to stop burning fossil fuels; and, in my judgment, there is no way to do that without shrinking energy usage and therefore economic activity (I’ve explained my reasoning on this point elsewhere; repeating it here would make this essay over-long). Continuing to depend on fossil fuels likewise leads to economic contraction, because aside from the fact that they are destabilizing the climate, these are depleting, non-renewable resources that we have extracted using the low-hanging-fruit principle: what’s left of them will be increasingly expensive to get, both in monetary and energetic terms. And energy is the ultimate driver of the economy; with less of it available, manufacturing and trade will necessarily contract. So, one way or another, we must accept economic degrowth. However, we don’t know how to degrow our economy controllably, particularly in the context of a massive global debt bubble. Moreover, the structures of representative democracy which respond to the short-term concerns of the electorate, make planning for degrowth even harder. For decades, policy makers have promised only more growth, and economists have turned logical summersaults providing rationales for why growth in energy and materials usage can continue forever on a finite planet. Since we are unprepared for sustained economic contraction, we are unlikely to handle it well.
Moreover, global warming isn’t our only sustainability crisis. Others include: resource depletion, worsening environmental pollution, a food system that ruins topsoil and destroys biodiversity, the overuse of debt as a way to transfer consumption from the future to the present, worsening economic inequality leading to political destabilization, and increasing overpopulation and overconsumption (especially by the rich), justified and encouraged by the flawed belief that the Earth will always be able to support more people consuming more resources on a per capita basis.
Further, the complex interactions of known system stressors—let alone the unknown ones—make matters worse. Climate change worsens economic inequality, while social instability due to increasing inequality makes it harder for national leaders to focus their attention on climate change. Similarly, the growing crises of democracy around the world (with the rich and powerful feeling insulated from danger and blocking needed change) are a threat multiplier, making it harder for societies to deal with any of these problems.
In sum, we have created a fundamentally unsustainable way of living. In recent decades, as more problems have arisen, we have learned to rely on fossil-fueled economic growth to solve them, but now growth is just making those problems worse, and we have no other plan.
Pointing all of this out is not an effective way to win friends and influence people—and that leads us to the core of XR’s argument. Let’s suppose the totality of the evidence favors Bendell’s conclusion (and I believe that it does, with a few caveats). XR’s criticism is that, if the people who are most aware of the climate crisis, and thus likely to drive change, consciously accept the near-certainty of collapse, this will lead to inaction and cynicism on their part, which will only worsen the situation. That criticism must still be answered.
One way of responding is to redefine collapse. Past civilizations have collapsed, and usually the process took two or three centuries and eventually led to some sort of renaissance. We see similar cycles of buildup and release in ecosystems (resilience scientists describe this universal tendency in terms of the adaptive cycle.)
Source: Hollings,The Adaptive Cycle. Holling, Gunderson, and Ludwig. “In Quest of a Theory of Adaptive Change.” 2002.
Collapse needn’t imply that nearly everybody dies at once, or that the survivors become wandering cannibals. Rather, it means our current institutions will fail to one degree or another and we will have to find alternative ways to meet basic human needs—ways that are slower, smaller in scale, and more local. Even if we can’t altogether avert the release phase of the adaptive cycle we’re in, it may be within our power to modify how release and reorganization occur. Perhaps, if we think of collapse in these terms, accepting its near-inevitability won’t be so debilitating.
But a happy version of collapse is likely to be realized only if we act. Past civilizations didn’t have fossil fuels (hence climate change) or nuclear weapons. Without a great deal of luck and hard work, we might get a version of collapse that is indeed unsurvivable, or nearly so.
Can we mentally accept that the odds are stacked against us, yet still act sanely and vigorously? That’s a question that has dogged me for some time. I believe clues leading to an answer may come from a realm of psychology known as Terror Management Theory—which Bendell discusses in Deep Adaptation’s founding document, “Deep Adaptation: A Map for Navigating Climate Tragedy.”
Non-human organisms appear not to be aware of the inevitability of their own death, so they don’t have to cope with that awareness. A few intelligent animals (including crows and elephants) take note of the deaths of their comrades and appear to mourn them, but we don’t know if they are able to contemplate their own mortality. For us humans, though, usually beginning in late childhood, language and rational thought ensure that we inescapably know that everyone will die sooner or later, ourselves included. Knowledge of death creates a psychological conflict between our self-preservation instinct and our knowledge of our own eventual demise, and we as a species have gone to great lengths to overcome that conflict. This, according to Terror Management Theory, explains a wide array of cultural beliefs and institutions that explicitly or implicitly promise immortality—including, but not limited to, religious teachings and rituals.
As a result, denial has become a deeply entrenched human capacity. In their book Denial: Self-Deception, False Beliefs, and the Origin of the Human Mind, Ajit Varki and Danny Brower suggest that, as language evolved, our emerging expectation of personal extinction would have made us so depressed and cautious that we probably wouldn’t have been able to compete successfully with other species, or other members of our own species who were not so burdened, if not for the appearance of a simultaneous adaptation—our ability to deny death. Denial thus served an evolutionary function as an essential tool of terror management. Over time, our denial muscle strengthened—and it has arguably done so especially in recent decades, as a great collective death via nuclear war or climate change has become a distinct possibility.
Denial can take several forms. One form stems from cognitive dissonance, the motivational mechanism that underlies the reluctance to admit mistakes or accept scientific findings when they contradict our existing views (hence those disinclined to believe in climate change go out of their way to seize upon any evidence, however flimsy, to support their opinion). Another is disavowal, a state in which we’re aware of climate change and its effects, but “find ways to remain undisturbed” by its implications, rather than being stirred to action.
Denial of climate change (and the likelihood of societal collapse) is therefore more than just a political tool for maintaining the corporate profits of the fossil fuel industry. It is a complex collective coping mechanism. We’re all in denial, in varying ways and degrees.
The XR folks have a point: if we accept the inevitability of collapse, we could psychologically short-circuit our ability to make collapse survivable. However, if we indulge more in denial, we might blithely go our merry way, again doing nothing to improve our survival prospects. Is the solution to indulge in just the right amount of denial? What is that perfect quantity, and how should we go about monitoring everyone’s dosage?
There may be a sliding scale for how much “doom” each of us can handle. In which case, the XR vs. DA quarrel could at least partly be about groups of people sorting themselves according to their levels of psychological tolerance, then walling themselves off from one another through cognitive dissonance.
However, that assessment somewhat trivializes the debate; there’s more going on here. Just one additional angle: maybe collapse has already arrived, and it just isn’t evenly distributed yet. Hundreds of millions, perhaps a couple of billion poor people around the globe are already experiencing many of the horrors that are likely to follow in the wake of the collapse of modern industrial societies (not to mention the billions who have not benefitted equally from, or have been victims of global, industrial capitalism and imperialism). These people, whose plight is likely to worsen, don’t have the luxury of sitting back and philosophizing about the future; they spend each day doing what’s necessary to survive, which sometimes means fighting back against the forces of capitalist exploitation, which usually coincide with the major causes of climate change. Perhaps DA followers are mostly privileged people whose bubble has been popped by awareness of climate change and who, for the moment at least, can afford to be somewhat immobilized by this sudden disorientation.
I would counsel folks more inclined toward the DA point of view not to waste effort trying to convince their XR critics that catastrophic collapse is indeed inevitable within the next few years. Resist the pitfall of certitude: none of us knows at this point whether near-term human extinction is inevitable, or whether concerted action could result in a relatively benign version of collapse. Instead, concentrate on areas of agreement, and join with XR critics in taking action—which, among other things, is an effective way of managing our terror. Reject the tendency toward navel-gazing stasis.
Meanwhile, here’s a bit of advice to the XR critics of DA: go easy. Despite its questionable tendency toward worst-case fixation, DA nevertheless provides a support system within which people can undertake the inner work entailed in facing the reality of the great unraveling that is upon us. While that inner work shouldn’t become an end in itself, thereby subverting effort toward minimizing harm to ecosystems and human communities, it is nevertheless a necessary stage in moving beyond denial.
Perhaps the great classic of ancient Hindu literature, the Bhagavad Gita, has wisdom to offer in this regard. The Gita is a dialogue between prince Arjuna and his guide and charioteer Krishna, which occurs beside a battlefield during a war between Arjuna’s kinsmen and another tribe. Arjuna is overwhelmed with moral dread about the violence and death—the utter doom of it all!—and that his actions may contribute to it, even though he believes his kinsmen are in the right, and he wonders if he should renounce his title and duty and devote himself to philosophizing. Krishna counsels Arjuna to fulfill his warrior obligation, but to act without thought of self or attachment to outcome.
Similarly, those of us with awareness of the crises ahead must understand that action will have largely unknowable consequences. We find ourselves drawn to a role simply by the fact of our awareness; however, our awareness is incomplete. Despite that limitation, it’s up to us to play our role in the defense of nature and humanity as cleanly and selflessly—and as effectively—as possible.
90 Comments on "Richard Heinberg: Avalanche"
bochen777 on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 12:02 pm
I’m predicting that the USA will attack China (in the South China Sea) before end of 2020, and that as a consequence of an American war against China, the US will also round up all Chinese Americans living in the States into death camps and probably gas us all to death… If America doesn’t score a decisive victory in the SCS, the next step is the final solution, America will do a surprise pre-emptive nuclear first strike to decapitate the CCP and Chinese C&C, with intent to genocide all 1.4+ billion Chinese people on this planet so that Amerikkka can retain sole unilateral hyper-power status for the next hundred years.
The tail/hint that gave it away was all the countries that previously vowed not to cave to US pressure on Huawei but then later on retroactively reneged after they already came out and stated they would not ban Huawei.
What am I talking about? For example, back in Jan/Feb of this year, the UK originally said they would accept Huawei and would not do a ban on Huawei 5G etc… and even when Trump personally called Boris on the phone multiple times threatening and begging him to chance his mind the UK still didn’t relent.
But now one after another, many European/Western nations that previously stood up against the US in not being pressured to ban Huawei have now all suddenly one after another fallen into line. The UK flipped flopped even after having already publicly made and announced the decision… some say that the whole thing for show and everything was a showmanship thing since UK being part of 5EYES was never gonna accept Huawei in the first place…
But I think something else is going on…. Maybe what changed between Jan and July (other than COVID situation and HK situation) was that US gained enough allied support for an coalition of invasion of China (attack China in SCS etc) that now the US leadership basically tells all their allies/vassals that “hey we are going to strike China soon, you are either with us or against us”… so now its push comes to shove, allies have to show of support for their master, and since a war is coming and they have already obviously chosen sides, then obviously they are not going to the use ‘enemies’ 5G stuff going forward…. the decision by their leader/master to go to war had completely changed the entire calculus and equation….
The UK officially on the record attributes its reversal decision to the COVID thing and the HK thing, but that really cannot be the truth since when Boris made the decision early this year, the 5EYES had already known about COVID for at least three months before that! And the HK roits had by that time already been going on for almost a whole entire year…
And it still wouldn’t explain how the US so quickly got so many other European nations to flip in the span of such a short time, nations that previously publicly stated they would not ban Huawei and wouldn’t not bow to US pressure all fell in line like dominos… something dark and evil is going on behind the scenes right now, I can smell it.
This massive capitulation signals something in my opinion far more widespread and sinister than simply changing their minds on Huawei… I think something very big is about to go down soon….
So much so that now the UK is sending its own aircraft carriers to the South China Sea to assist US in waging war, with Japan jumping into the mix with as well…
I hope China is prepared to go nuclear to defend itself if needed……ready up the DF-41 and stop being naive… Seems like we are witnessing a repeat of a global Chinese Exclusion Act 3.0 and a new 21st century version of the Eight Nation Alliance (QUAD x 2 plus add India) that wishes to cut China into a dozen pieces and harvest and pillage China yet once again…. If America doesn’t score a decisive victory in the SCS, the next step is the final solution, America will do a surprise pre-emptive nuclear first strike to decapitate the CCP and Chinese C&C, with intent to genocide all 1.4+ billion Chinese people on this planet so that Amerikkka can retain sole unilateral hyper-power status for the next hundred years.
bochen777 on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 12:03 pm
Amerikkka would rather start WWIII and commit mass genocide than compete fairly with a Non-Caucasian Peer Superpower.
https://i.imgur.com/bVvhSaB.png
https://i.imgur.com/0tQpuyX.png
bochen777 on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 12:06 pm
https://news.yahoo.com/eight-still-missing-us-marine-amphibious-vehicle-sinks-232242800.html
At first I thought this was in the SCS, but apparently they were doing simultaneous drills in CA and in the SCS at the same time with the Marines… hmmmmmm
Rehearsal for Casus belli? Gulf of Tonkin 2.0 perhaps
Abraham van Helsing on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 12:18 pm
Poor mr Heinberg… pontificating about “denial”, now he thinks that (the fight against) climate change is going to be the Next Big Thing in America.
It won’t.
Brace yourself for major social disturbances.
The coming events b.t.w. will be unintentionally very beneficial for the environment and climate, not unlike that Corona was extremely beneficial. Global emissions 2020 are expected to be down with 8%.
Abraham van Helsing on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 12:28 pm
“I’m predicting that the USA will attack China (in the South China Sea) before end of 2020, and that as a consequence of an American war against China, the US will also round up all Chinese Americans living in the States into death camps and probably gas us all to death… If America doesn’t score a decisive victory in the SCS, the next step is the final solution, America will do a surprise pre-emptive nuclear first strike to decapitate the CCP and Chinese C&C, with intent to genocide all 1.4+ billion Chinese people on this planet so that Amerikkka can retain sole unilateral hyper-power status for the next hundred years.”
You’re a megalomaniac nutter. Don’t take it personal. MAD still applies. The US can indeed kill most Chinese, but the latter can return the favor, hence it is not going to happen.
“But now one after another, many European/Western nations that previously stood up against the US in not being pressured to ban Huawei have now all suddenly one after another fallen into line.”
Hmmmm…
https://tech.newstatesman.com/security/where-every-country-stands-huawei
“The definitive list of where every country stands on Huawei”
The world looks rather “blue” to me.
But that the US is looking for trouble in the SCS is a distinct possibility. A major conflict in East-Asia could very well trigger CW2 in the US. We all know that the US is hardly capable of taking casualties.
bochen777 on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 12:50 pm
@Abraham van Helsing
The only way for US to regain hegemony is to find a way to skirt MAD. This is why Trump has been pressuring China to join nuke arms talk, and the US wants China to give up on its hypersonic weapons development, to agree to give up on its road mobile nuclear launchers (namely the DF-41) and to agree to keep total nukes under a certain number….
At the same time, US is preparing to place nukes all around China, and eventually will station them on Taiwan, maybe even some of the SCS islands if the US can overtake them, and most certainty in Japan, Korea etc…
The US elite don’t care about sacrificing 2/3 of the US population if it allows them to reach their end goal/ end-game… so the calculus is that they can win a MAD scenario especially if they do a high level EMP above China, combined with cyberattacks against China, activates all their hanjian and CIA sleeper cells in mainland China (imagine an asset told to blow up the Three Gorges Dam, for example and the destabilization effect of that, or another agent to spray aerosol’d cans of a virus far more deadlier and insidious than the CIA COVID-19) while remote kill switch take out all of Chinese electronics (Intel has hardware backdoor into all its processors that accept remote kill from 3G/4G, radio, etc) and then China is blind (EMP), deaf (Intel killswitch), and paralyzed (US cuts China underground internets cables and blows out China’s satellites) so not only will China not be able to get advanced notice of a strategic nuclear first strike intended to decapitate the CCP in one blow, China will be hard pressed to be able to have the effective channels in place in order to authorize a retaliatory strike…
The war planners in the US are counting on this as THE ONLY SOLUTION…
Gaia on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 12:55 pm
China is no threat to the world.
zero juan on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 12:59 pm
juanPPee is sure playing his bochen777 sock hard lately. He is even using the dumb fuck on the moderated side. jauPPee, you are so obvious because you can’t hide your idiosyncrasies. You are easy to figure out because you are a stupid low IQ drop out with mental illness!
Gaia said China is no threat to the world.
bochen777 said @Abraham van Helsing The only way for US to regain…
Gaia said In 2100, there will be no humans.
Nutters said Davyskum
bochen777 said https://news.yahoo.com/eight-still-missing-us-mari…
bochen777 said Amerikkka would rather start WWIII and commit mass…
bochen777 said I’m predicting that the USA will attack China (in…
bochen777 said China’s new Century of Humiliation has start…
REAL Green said Are gdp dropped by 32.9 Davy. That’s REAL Bad.
why would the us attach china china has many enemies such as japan which can destroy china completely japan has been industrialized since ww2 and way before that mitsubishi heavy industries can churn out war materiel on a gigantic scale on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 2:43 pm
the us and japan will negotiate with china for cheap goods made by muzzies
china rounded up all their muzzies to make cheap goods. this is the right move
1400 years of jihadin and living in jizya is over in china
i’m a sinophile
chinese in the us should be proud. using muzzies to do labor is a good thing
i dont want to be born black with a big dk i dont want to be white i dont want to be muzzie i wish im chinese because being chinese means i think clearly and use free labor when its availabe to me on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 2:45 pm
i like china how they use their muzzies to make cheap goods
i admire that
Nutters on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 3:11 pm
Davy. AKA zero juan
zero juan on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 3:46 pm
stupid fuck,where did your bochen777 go to?
Nutters said Davy. AKA zero juan
i dont want to be born black with a big dk i dont want to be white i dont want to be muzzie i wish im chinese because being chinese means i think clearly and use free labor when its availabe to me said i like china how they use their muzzies to make c…
why would the us attach china china has many enemies such as japan which can destroy china completely japan has been industrialized since ww2 and way before that mitsubishi heavy industries can churn out war materiel on a gigantic scale said the us and japan will negotiate with china for che…
bochen777 on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 3:58 pm
I’m still here, no relation to Mak, Juan, etc
Pompous just said WeChat also to get banned within next coming days
I actually think US is preparing for war, to attack China kinetically soon. I can almost understand the motivation to ban tiktok but the only reason why they would ban wechat is if they fear wechat could be used to topple the us petrodollar hegemony or if US about to go to hot war with China. my money is on the later
If you don’t hear from me in the next couple weeks assume that I’ve been gas chambered to death as part of the US government rounding up and genocide of all Chinese Americans in the USA.
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/08/02/pompeo-promises-action-on-chinese-software-firms-in-coming-days/
Abraham van Helsing on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 4:14 pm
“Hartford police say man decapitated landlord during rent dispute, claimed ‘sovereign’ status”
https://www.foxnews.com/us/decapitated-landlord-rent-dispute-sovereign
The victim was white, the decapitator black. Commie media routinely won’t report on this incident, after all, white lives don’t matter.
Meanwhile in France:
https://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2020/07/29/le-polemiste-d-extreme-droite-alain-soral-interpelle-et-place-en-garde-a-vue-a-paris_6047641_3224.html
“Far-right polemicist Alain Soral arrested and placed in police custody in Paris”
…for having “far-right opinions”, like that the holohoax didn’t happen and that jews generally have a tendency to undermine gentile nations, especially white gentile nations, by promoting diversity. He did not commit violent acts, didn’t steal, just said things you are not supposed to say in that hell-hoe called the West (because they are true).
I expect Soral to be liberated shortly after the onset of CW2 or the destruction of Anglo fleets in the SCS.
Abraham van Helsing on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 4:15 pm
“If you don’t hear from me in the next couple weeks assume that I’ve been gas chambered to death as part of the US government rounding up and genocide of all Chinese Americans in the USA.”
Aha, Chinese, right?
Well, anybody can claim anything.
Oh and gas-chambers are so overrated. Hollywood thingy.
Abraham van Helsing on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 4:25 pm
World class British humor in action:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/may/24/the-british-jews-who-fought-postwar-fascism-on-londons-streets
“The British Jews who fought postwar fascism on London’s streets”
“For a moment, I was dazed, disorientated. My assailant was about to close and finish me off when Sam grabbed him around the neck and pulled him to the ground. Then Sam jumped on him. The genial, good-humoured Sam said, ‘I’m just breaking the bastard’s ribs so he won’t attend any more meetings.’”
Mind you, British humor of the kosher variety.
Vocabulary update:
Fascist = anybody who stands up for the interests of the English biosphere.
You have to give it to the Jews, they surely defeated English nationalism, not a fascist to be seen…
https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2020/07/13/europe-arise-sir-oswald-mosley/
…Tommy Robinson fled abroad, BLM vigilantes are defiantly marching in the streets of London and English girls are abused for years on end by Muslims by the thousands, with English “authorities” in full knowledge about it, but afraid to do anything about it, afraid as they are to be called “racist”.
The Board on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 4:31 pm
zero davy is playing his poodle sock hard lately. He is even using the dumb fuck on the lunatic side. davy, you are so obvious because you can’t hide your idiosyncrasies. You are easy to figure out because you are a stupid low IQ drop out with mental illness!
Afghanistan: Muslims murder 17 with Eid al-Adha car bomb blast on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 4:40 pm
china did the right thing by making their muzzies work to produce cheap good which i buy
14 years of jihadin and living on jizya is too long
may china prosper
Abraham van Helsing on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 4:44 pm
Birth of a super power:
https://www.rt.com/business/496898-france-germany-military-technology-us/
“German & French arms producers want to reduce use of US technologies in military production – report”
This is what you get if let your country run by duncan types:
https://www.rt.com/usa/496922-minneapolis-police-obey-criminals/
“‘Do as they say’: Minneapolis police warn people to obey criminals for their own safety as violent crime surges amid BLM protests”
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/496781-columbus-washington-dc-oklahoma/
“If Columbus is being toppled, then Washington DC and Oklahoma need to be renamed: the inconsistent arguments for erasing history”
Expect this to happen under Biden: “Martin Luther King DC”.
Erdogan’s revenge for his humiliation in Syria:
https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/tuerkei-dreht-syrien-das-wasser-ab-machtkampf-in-nahost-a-626d23dd-9c2d-448f-adfb-6191e0f6c086
“Turkey is closing the Euphrates water tap on Syria”
Famine, drought and electricity shortage are looming over Syria. 60 million are threatened. Compassion is Christian, not Muslim.
thank you whitey supertard president elon for taking america back to space on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 4:47 pm
and thanks whitey supertard president glynn shotwell who will “launch for defense of america”
‘China rocks!’ — the U.S., not so much, according to Elon Musk on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 4:51 pm
‘China rocks, in my opinion. The energy in China is great… there’s like a lot of smart, hard working people. And they’re really — they’re not entitled, they’re not complacent.’
smart people think alike. i like china for a different reason and that they use their muzzies for labor to produce cheap goods.
if we round up all our muzzies we can make all sort of stuff for cheap
REAL Green on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 5:07 pm
“America is currently a giant repository of frustration, anger, and resentment seeking an outlet—i.e., someone to blame. Many Americans who believe their country is exceptional are reluctant to compare it unfavorably with any other nation.”
So true Richard. So true.
China is rising. Were going down. All the way down to the bottom. Bye bye America.
makati1 on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 5:46 pm
Talking to my business partner here, last night, he asked me if the US would return to “normal”. I replied, NOPE! not ever. Then took a half hour to explain why. Short version, it cannot for a multiple of reasons.
It will linger on as it slides down that slippery slope to the 3rd world, reality covered up with propaganda bullshit until it stinks so bad even the denialists cannot ignore it. But then, some here think it will go back to the 2019 “happy days” soon.
His sister and teenage daughter are moving back to the Philippines next week to stay. They want to get away from the shit happening there (San Francisco) and the poor school system, drugs, and violence.
The West is toast and the US is burnt toast. So be it.
bochen777 on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 6:01 pm
makati1, I concur.
The Nationalist on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 7:10 pm
Great,I’ll pay them extra to take a jew and a spic with them to the land of opportunity “Phillipines” lol
makati1 on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 7:45 pm
bochen777, obviously, you see reality, not the fake world the USMSM propagandizes for the Amerikan sheeple and their ass kissing poodles, the UK and Australia.
makati1 on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 7:53 pm
Nat, there are about 100 Jews here. WIKI
There is only ONE synagogue in the Philippines and it is in Manila.
Whereas, the US has more Jews than Israel LOL
zero juan on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 7:59 pm
The lunatic is really puking socks today. Must be the influence of the weather. He is all worked up:
The Nationalist said Great,I’ll pay them extra to take a jew and…
bochen777 said makati1, I concur.
REAL Green said “America is currently a giant repository of…
‘China rocks!’ — the U.S., not so much, according to Elon Musk said ‘China rocks, in my opinion. The energy in China…
thank you whitey supertard president elon for taking america back to space said and thanks whitey supertard president glynn shotw…
Afghanistan: Muslims murder 17 with Eid al-Adha car bomb blast said china did the right thing by making their muzzies…
The Board said zero davy is playing his poodle sock hard lately….
Kevin Cobley on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 8:59 pm
It’s time nut jobs were edited from this site, it’s become troll central for Jones followers, time for you folks to drink the coolade and leave the rest of us alone.
muzzie killed people in boston and got loved no death penalty but i still have high hope someday we use our muzzies to make cheap goods like china does. this is how we can be competitive in the world stage on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 9:20 pm
we stop paying muzzie jizya
we stop terrorizing the population
we put muzzies to do actual work
Kevin Cobley on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 8:59 pm It’s time nut jobs were edited from this site, it’s become troll central for Jones followers, time for you folks to drink the coolade and leave the rest of us alone. on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 9:21 pm
but supertard libs dont leave us alone
libs lock down michigan and wisconsin
but south dakota is not locked down. so jones people leave people alone, really
Lunatic Davy sock puke on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 9:28 pm
zero juan on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 7:59 pm
The Nationalist on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 10:07 pm
The cultural happiness you witness daily Makati is due to a homogeneous culture. Be careful the multikult can destroy your new home quickly. Foreigners can not buy property in the Phillipines for now, let’s hope they are not suicidal like the West.
Antius on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 10:44 pm
‘It’s time nut jobs were edited from this site, it’s become troll central for Jones followers, time for you folks to drink the coolade and leave the rest of us alone.’
I agree (reluctantly). I would hate to see PO become yet another sterile forum, moderated by woke twenty somethings. But the quality of discussion here is close to zero. It is full of mentally ill morons that forgot to take their medication.
Why the likes of Cloggie and Theedrich continue to pour their time in vacuum on this site is one of life’s eternal mysteries.
makati1 on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 10:55 pm
The Philippines can in no way be compared to the US. The people here love Amerikans who are part of their lives and community, which I am. I share, as necessary, with my neighbors and friends. I let no one suffer if I can help. In that way, I am Filipino.
I have no worries about being cast out like the poor in Amerika are by their own government and neighbors. I am secure after 12 years of assimilating Filipino culture. I will live a good life here for my remaining decade or more. You should be so lucky.
supremacist muzzie jerk on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 11:41 pm
Hey Paultard aka supremacist muzzies jerk,
You’re in no position to talk being the welfare queen that you are with your Socail Security Disability BS. I hate the idea that my taxes are used to pay for wothless sack of shit to lazy to work.
You should be exterminated as you are an example of someone who takes and gives nothing back in return.
Trifecta of Nutters on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 11:48 pm
Antius and your buddies cloggie and thedrich should all leave and go to REAL Green’s blog. There you can post your nutter philosophies to your heart’s content.
Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.
Abraham van Helsing on Mon, 3rd Aug 2020 12:11 am
“But the quality of discussion here is close to zero. It is full of mentally ill morons that forgot to take their medication.“
The verbal diarrea provides a perfect cover for very political incorrect messages to peep through, that can be tolerated since this is a nutter board anyway. Everything is as it should be, no change required.
“Why the likes of Cloggie and Theedrich continue to pour their time in vacuum on this site is one of life’s eternal mysteries.“
Perhaps because apparently “the likes of Antius” are still reading both gentlemen?
Alternatively because the most important thing in the life of a man, well beyond 50 that is, is being right?
Abraham van Helsing on Mon, 3rd Aug 2020 12:35 am
Here is where I got my personal contamination, earlier this year:
https://www.ed.nl/eindhoven/forse-stijging-corona-reizigers-eindhoven-airport~a4f41c4a/
Corona numbers are picking up again in this “hot spot” thanks to that folly called “international tourism”, released from lockdown way too early:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8585439/Fight-breaks-KLM-plane-Ibiza-two-passengers-refused-wear-face-masks.html
This pandemic is going to be with us for the foreseable future, until a vaccin has been found. All in all, cynically, the effects of the pandemic is a white nationalist dream coming true. It destroys soccer, it provides the excuse to close borders for “refugees” (all virile young men), it ends globalism to a large extent and best of all, it creates the perfect conditions for white America to attempt to escape from that house of termites aka ZOG.
Abraham van Helsing on Mon, 3rd Aug 2020 12:43 am
Talking of termites…
Trifecta of Nutters on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 11:48 pm
Antius and your buddies cloggie and thedrich should all leave and go to REAL Green’s blog. There you can post your nutter philosophies to your hearts content. Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.
It must be really humiliating for chosenite apneaman to be pushed in the defensive like this on nota bene his own turf, by nahtzis from Europe, claiming back their overseas colonial territories, lost in 1783, including the Yankee inventory, to be taken back from the youknowwho. I feel your pain, TalmudTurk. Let me give you an Aryan pat on the back, in a cordial fashion. Oops, that was a little too cordial. Now your third teeth are on the floor. Sorry bout that!
bochen777 on Mon, 3rd Aug 2020 12:59 am
Covid is CIA false flag biovirus to contain Chinese ascension
https://forum.ascendchina.ch/
makati1 on Mon, 3rd Aug 2020 1:23 am
Kinda backfired didn’t it, bichen? but then, everything the US tries to do backfires because they are too stupid. Cannot even build a navy ship that works or a jet that flies. LOL
bochen777 on Mon, 3rd Aug 2020 1:55 am
mak, recall Trump at Davos in Jan hinting US was getting its stride back… the KKK phucker was hoping because of ACE2 this would be a SARS2.0 that only targeted Chinaman and left White is Right alone…
Literally all he had to do was not start a biowar and he would have coasted to easy election win
More Lunatic Davy sock puke on Mon, 3rd Aug 2020 2:13 am
Antius on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 10:44 pm
Trifecta of Nutters on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 11:48 pm
Abraham van Helsing on Mon, 3rd Aug 2020 3:36 am
Interesting to note that empire dave has stopped “neutering and moderating” links he doesn’t like. Reality is setting in.
forbin on Mon, 3rd Aug 2020 3:41 am
Hello Antius & Kevin,
It is unlikely that the comments section will get any better until the site owners tighten things up on spam commentators.
The constant carping/bad mouthing by certain posters will drive this site into oblivion .
Forbin
Davy on Mon, 3rd Aug 2020 3:49 am
Interesting to note you are still a fraud and a natzi wannabe cloggo. Reality never sets with you.
Abraham van Helsing on Mon, 3rd Aug 2020 4:06 am
Last gasp.
Davy on Mon, 3rd Aug 2020 4:34 am
I see some here are whining about you lunatic. Basically, you are spamming socks and troll behavior. Obviously, it satisfies your psychopathic mental condition:
Davy said Interesting to note you are still a fraud and a na…
More Lunatic Davy sock puke said Antius on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 10:44 pm Trifecta of…
bochen777 said mak, recall Trump at Davos in Jan hinting US was g…
bochen777 said Covid is CIA false flag biovirus to contain Chines…
Missouri Leads Nation new COBID Infections said DavySkum’s Trump/RepubliCON madness: “…
REAL Green Hypocrite said Dear DavySkum, You are the loudest and most obnoxi…
Trifecta of Nutters said Antius and your buddies cloggie and thedrich shoul…
supremacist muzzie jerk said Hey Paultard aka supremacist muzzies jerk, YouR…
The Nationalist said The cultural happiness you witness daily Makati is…
Lunatic Davy sock puke said zero juan on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 7:59 pm
Kevin Cobley on Sun, 2nd Aug 2020 8:59 pm It’s time nut jobs were edited from this site, it’s become troll central for Jones followers, time for you folks to drink the coolade and leave the rest of us alone. said but supertard libs dont leave us alone libs lock d…
Davy on Mon, 3rd Aug 2020 4:39 am
“Interesting to note that empire dave has stopped “neutering and moderating” links he doesn’t like. Reality is setting in.”
cloggo, I am very busy on the farm. I am more and more on the moderated side where lunatic has to behave. I am also on other ecco sites contributing there. Your stuff is redundant puke so I spend less time with moderating you. I am ignoring makati1 as it appears he is trying to ignore me. I still highlight the lunatic JuanP when I can in hopes the owners will shit can his awful behavior. Does that explain the situation? You are gloating for some reason thinking your puke is valuable. It is not. Anymore your Anglo derangement has drowned out your useful energy comments.