Population Issues

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Davy, Hermann, MO on Tue, 13th May 2014 8:09 am 



More population talk. We are there now and not 2050. We will not make it to those projections. The end is near for the status quo. It is fine to use these 2050 projections as scare tactics for the G public who are complacent with every morning being able to switch the lights on. Yet, the reality of the situation is we are in a systematic position that is brittle and unchangeable. This position is near disequilibrium and the break through bifurcation to a much lower level of economic activity and by extension population carrying capacity. The limit of growth graphs do not do this decent justice. Once you allow chaos into the picture you should naturally expect dysfunction, irrationality, and severe volatility. In a world of interconnected complexity where all locals rely on a brittle and dangerously overextended global just such a break becomes a given. This will not allow the population to grow much past where we are now. It is not the fact that there are still allot of resources out there, we still have a marginally stable climate, and lots of technology/infrastructure/energy, no, the system itself will not allow another 1BIL people. When the system makes a break to a lower level food production will plummet do to economics and distribution failures in a greatly diminished level of economic activity. There is no plan B that can even begin to mitigate this decent. We are near a bottleneck and die-off. This will be a good thing for the environment in some ways mainly the climate. It will not be good for multiple species that will be eaten up on a global scale in the coming era of a lack of food. It will also be bad for you and me when death knocks at all of our doors with loss of family and friends. Nowhere will be immune. This will not be confined to the developing world by nature of the systematic risks that surround all locals from the dependence on the global.

islander on Tue, 13th May 2014 8:14 am 



“Humans consume 388 millions barrels of oil a day”

Last time I checked, it wasn’t quite that high! 🙂

noobtube on Tue, 13th May 2014 9:20 am 



Look at that. For once, a graph, created by the American and European leeches that actually makes Africa look like its in better shape than both the United States and Europe.

It would appear the population problem is in the places where they scream about it the most… the United States and Europe.

The biggest waster, polluters, and trash makers are all in the North. The problem with the Earth is a problem of the North.

Kenz300 on Tue, 13th May 2014 9:20 am 



Endless population growth is unsustainable and only leads to more poverty, suffering and despair.

Wrap it up……..

Birth Control Pictures: Types, Side Effects, Costs, & Effectiveness

http://www.webmd.com/sex/birth-control/ss/slideshow-birth-control-options?ecd=wnl_day_050114&ctr=wnl-day-050114_ld-stry_2&mb=dtfWIHfXZxtqE9pudELmLeHnVev1imbCq%2f0xB3s74mA%3d

GregT on Tue, 13th May 2014 10:05 am 



Population growth will end, when environmental limits are met. Birth control is not going to solve overpopulation. It is already a century too late for that.

Davey on Tue, 13th May 2014 10:52 am 



Noobie you suck is all I can say.

Davey on Tue, 13th May 2014 11:06 am 



Right Greg, birth control and female education are suffering receding horizons of effectiveness. Now it will be good ole food insecurity, hunger, and regional famines.

bobinget on Tue, 13th May 2014 11:19 am 



MARSHA SHULER
mshuler@theadvocate.com
May 07, 2014

A state Senate panel advanced legislation Wednesday putting new restrictions on Louisiana abortion clinic operations, similar to those that led to Texas clinic shutdowns.

House Bill 388 would require physicians who perform abortions to have active admitting privileges at a hospital that provides obstetrical-gynecological services and is within 30 miles of the place where the abortion is performed.

The Health and Welfare Committee, without objection, approved the measure, which is backed by Gov. Bobby Jindal, and shipped it to the Senate floor for debate. The bill has been sailing through the legislative process. There were only six “no” votes when the bill passed the Louisiana House.

The full Senate could take a vote as early as next week.

Louisiana is recognized as having the most anti-abortion laws of anywhere in the country.

The requirement has led to the shutdown of an estimated 20 abortion clinics in Texas, where arrangements have not been possible.

Abortion rights supporters said clinics in New Orleans, Metairie and Baton Rouge would be forced to close because of the new requirement.

Only those in Shreveport and Bossier City would be left.

Two committee members sought assurance that the admitting privileges requirement would stand a court challenge on the issue of whether it would unconstitutionally restrict a woman’s access to abortion.

“I just don’t want to get this thrown out because of some terminology,” said state Sen. Fred Mills, R-St. Martinville.

“We want to make sure the bar is not so high that it’s not attainable,” said state Sen. David Heitmeier, D-New Orleans.

Proponents said they would review the language to make sure it was similar to that of the Texas law, which the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeal upheld.

The admitting privileges requirement is needed to protect the health and safety of women going to clinics seeking abortions, bill sponsor state Rep. Katrina Jackson said.

“It’s an opportunity to protect the lives of women,” said Jackson, D-Monroe.

Dr. Damon Cudihy, of Lafayette, said admitting privileges at a nearby hospital provide the continuity of care women need when complications develop in abortions.

“What objection could there be to such common sense regulations?” asked Dr. Robert Marier, who has been executive director of the Louisiana Board of Medical Examiners.

Opponents said there is no medical basis for changing current standards. They said the clinic physicians were being held to an unnecessary higher standard than physicians at ambulatory surgery centers where more complex procedures are done.

“This is a dangerous bill that threatens women’s access to health care. It does nothing to protect women’s health and safety,” said New Orleans lawyer Ellie Schilling. She said it would “severely limit access to safe and legal abortion services.”

If the legislation passes, abortion clinic administrator Sylvia Cochran said, “we will be in court….If they shut us down, where are they going to go?” She said in Texas, women are traveling across the border to Mexico.

Northwest Resident on Tue, 13th May 2014 11:28 am 



noobtube — Yeah, before the northern invaders ruined the peaceful bliss of natives living in Africa, all they had to worry about was cannibalism, head shrinking, constant inter-tribal warfare, genocide, constant threat of draught and mass starvation, pigmies with poison blow-darts, ebola and a few other things. Find a market for diamonds and native Africans will eagerly slaughter each other by the hundreds of thousands hacking women and children to pieces with machetes for a chance to earn some bucks. Try sending food to the starving ignorant native Africans and some warlord will take it all and allow many thousands of his fellow countrymen to die of starvation while he sits on the pile of food. Send peacekeepers to Africa to try to help the starving millions and the Africans will kill them and cut them up and drag the pieces through the streets. You want to buy children for perverse reasons — just go to Africa, they have lots for sale. Yeah, Africa was a real heaven on earth before Europeans showed up and ruined the peaceful coexistence and wonderful moral values of the Africans (snark…).

MSN fanboy on Tue, 13th May 2014 11:55 am 



XD NR: Yeah good thing those Africans support free rights etc… haha made me chuckle.

noobtube on Tue, 13th May 2014 12:01 pm 



War, cannibalism, Christianity, mass murder…

yep, none of those things happened in the United States and Europe.

It’s funny, I don’t recall any Africans/South Americans inviting Europeans to come to their lands.

Yep, no way the invasion from the north from the Europeans and then the United States destroyed the stability in African/South American societies (look at Tasmania, the Arawaks/Taino, Aborigines, Pacific Islanders/Nuclear testing, the centuries long war against the Cherokee/Choctaw/Lakota/original inhabitants).

Maybe you should look up King Leopold, the Transatlantic slave trade, Apartheid, once again the Belgians/French in Rwanda, coltan/cobalt in the Congo, Italians in Ethiopia, NATO in Libya, Patrice Lumumba, the scramble for Africa by the Europeans, blood diamonds from the Jews, the American oil corporations, AFRICOM, DeBeers…

you know Europeans and the United States have never done any good, anywhere for anybody.

Then the United States and Europeans gave the world nuclear waste, industrial pollution, dying seas, polluted air, depleting soil, and infinite growth on a finite planet.

But wait, there’s more.

Mass murder on an international scale, oil spills, drive-consume-waste culture, suburbs, military-industrial complex, perpetual war…

All the abundance and opportunity the United States and Europe had… and all they did was squander it on spreading misery, disease and devastation everywhere they went.

Oh goody, now we have peak oil, yet another gift from the United States and Europeans.

Now, what exactly have South Americans/Africans done to this planet that remotely compares to the destruction & devastation caused by the United States and Europeans?

This should be interesting.

Boat on Tue, 13th May 2014 12:28 pm 



I guess what your saying is the US should stop exporting food to end the pain of overpopulation?

farms in the U.S. produce soybeans accounting for over 50% of the world’s soybean production

U.S. exports about 20 percent of the U.S. farmer’s corn production

supplies about 25% of the world’s wheat export market

Northwest Resident on Tue, 13th May 2014 12:43 pm 



noobtube — You win. You grossed me out to the max. I can’t compete with your list of evil deeds — you’re the master mind on who committed what evil deeds. Obviously, you DWELL on it, brewing in your dark hatred and anger and keeping your sicko little lists, alone in your misery. Hey, look at history and at all the nations and civilizations of the earth. Show me just one that was pure and without wrong — you know, check your list and tell me if you see any that did no wrong. Good luck with that. America and the west played with bigger toys, so maybe they ended up doing the most damage — no doubt about that. But were America and the West any more or less evil and immoral than others in history? I’m sure your answer is “yes”, but a more balanced review of history would give a different answer. Don’t worry noobtube, sometime in the near future America won’t be able to send our people to Africa to help, and we won’t be able to ship mega-tons of food to feed the starving masses. The misery in Africa will end in the not too distant future, when there aren’t very many people left to suffer, then you can add another “evil” to your list — the day that America stopped supporting and helping miserable Africans impoverished by their own ignorance and barbaric social structures.

R1verat on Tue, 13th May 2014 12:47 pm 



All this finger pointing makes me head hurt. Face it folks, humans rarely miss the opportunity to screw each other, regardless what country they claim as their homeland.

Boat on Tue, 13th May 2014 12:51 pm 



oops, there is more

About 20 percent of U.S. dry bean supplies are destined for the export market,

rice is 10% of the worlds export.

Perk Earl on Tue, 13th May 2014 12:56 pm 



Ok, someone can shoot me down for being off topic, but population articles seem to be a dime a dozen with no one in any power position willing to do anything about it, so this is my bent today:

I’m trying to make sense of some recent new developments and maybe someone can help me piece these disparate ideas together. The first link indicates lower than expected retail sales.

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20140513-709398.html
“WASHINGTON: Retail sales increased 0.1% in April from the prior month to a seasonally adjusted $434.57 billion, the Commerce Department said Tuesday. That was lower than the 0.4% gain forecast by economists surveyed by The Wall Street Journal and marked a big step down from March.”

The 2nd link below says the initial govt. data suggesting a .1% GDP increase, actually had a .1 to .2 percent decline. If that later becomes official and occurs in a 2nd qtr in a row, then it is considered a recession.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/05/01/why-the-first-quarter-gdp-may-get-even-uglier/

“ Do the math, and you’ve got an economy that contracted by 0.1 percent in the first quarter — and that might be the optimistic case. Barclays economist Cooper Howes said his calculations show a 0.2 percent decline. In either case, it would represent the worst performance for the recovery in three years.”

Yet, as you can see from the link below, the stock market today hit a new all time high.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/13/us-markets-stocks-idUSBREA460FR20140513

Wall St. edges up; Dow, S&P 500 hit records

At the same time QE is being tapered and is currently at 45 billion a month. Fisher favors continued tapering to cut to zero in October of this year.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-05-09/fisher-favors-steady-tapering-of-qe-to-zero-by-end-of-october.html

Fisher Favors Steady QE Tapering to Zero by End of October By Steve Matthews May 9, 2014 11:32 AM PT 2 Comments Email Print
“Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas President Richard Fisher said he favors a steady tapering in bond buying by the Fed, with a $15 billion cut to zero in October.

“Barring some destabilizing development in the real economy that comes out of left field, I will continue to vote for the pace of reduction we have undertaken, reducing by $10 billion per meeting our purchases and eliminating them entirely” at the Oct. 28-29 meeting, Fisher said today in a speech in New Orleans. He votes on monetary policy this year.

Fed Chair Janet Yellen said May 7 that, with inflation and employment far from the central bank’s goals, “a high degree of monetary accommodation remains warranted.” Policy makers haven’t indicated whether their plans for tapering $45 billion in monthly bond buying would mean announcing an end to purchases in October or a final $5 billion reduction in December.”

So I’m trying to piece this together. QE reduced from 85 to 45 billion a month, with either flat or minus GDP in the 1st qtr, (which for all we know may be the result of reduced QE), with less than expected retail sales in April, against a backdrop of a stock market ballooning to new record highs. What I can’t figure out is how the stock market is going gangbusters in light of this other economic data. Can anyone here make sense of it?

noobtube on Tue, 13th May 2014 1:05 pm 



It’s funny how Americans and Europeans, the most murderous and genocidal societies in human history, still believe they are “helping” anyone but themselves.

There are starving people in the United States and Europe, but somehow, it is more important to send food to Africa, out of the goodness of their hearts? When exactly did Europe or the United States help anyone… other than themselves?

If the Europeans and the Americans get kicked out of South Africa, their entire dominance of the world falls apart. If they get kicked out of Nigeria, the same thing. That is how brittle this Jew/European/American world system is today.

The United States and Europe can’t feed their own populations from their own lands, yet somehow they have food to send to the starving Africans. Now, how is that possible?

Oh, that’s right… all the oil the Americans and the Europeans steal out of Angola, Libya, Nigeria, the Sudan, and Equatorial Guinea. Then there is all the chrome, platinum, diamonds, and gold they steal out of the rest of Africa.

In return, the Americans and Europeans “claim” to send their surplus bread to Africa. Yeah, what a great deal.

Now the Chinese are entering the scene and offering something of value… such as roads, schools, and hospitals. Instead of recognizing how much of a plaque the Americans and Europeans have been to Africa and its people, the Amero-Euros want to scream about how unfair it is that Africans prefer the Chinese. It seems the Africans don’t need any so-called “help” from the United States and Europeans. All Africans need is for the Americans and Europeans to leave.

But, of course, the Americans and Europeans will never leave because they are nothing but parasites and leeches (everywhere they go) and need the Africans to survive.

It is going to take a Uganda or Zimbabwe to kick out the invaders and leeches.

And, why is it that Europeans, Americans, and Jews have this fascination with homosexuality and peodophilia. The Greeks and Romans are steeped in that stuff and the Americans and Europeans worship them and their lifestyles (see Plato, child molester/pedophile).

There is no history in Africa of that behavior being tolerated. Yet, you have these Europeans and Americans pushing that sexual degeneracy on African nations.

34 African nations came out with prohibitions against homosexuality, and the Americans and Europeans whined and complained because Africans do not want any part of that.

I don’t think Africans want ANY “help” from Americans and Europeans.

Didn’t ask for it. Don’t want it.

What Africans do want is for Americans and Europeans to leave.

It will happen anyway, because at the rate the Europeans, Americans, and Australians are completely destroying the planet, they won’t be able to feed/support their own populations much longer.

Northwest Resident on Tue, 13th May 2014 1:21 pm 



noobtube — This is a peak oil and related issues discussion board. Can’t you take your miserable crying rants about how horribly you’re getting screwed over to some other more on-topic board? Why vent here? I heard there is a website that specializes in postings of morons who rewrite history, see all evil all the time and who in general just want to scream and cry about how unfair life is. Your rants would be most welcome on that site — why not go there and let this board stick to more or less on-topic discussion?

Northwest Resident on Tue, 13th May 2014 1:28 pm 



Perk Earl — Excellent question. I often wonder the same thing. I’m no expert. But my impression is that the financial powers in the world know that we are in a period of massive asset overvaluation with trillions in practically free “newly printed” money floating around. They are just riding that horse, pumping it for all it is worth while at the same time keeping a nervous eye out for any signal that can be interpreted to mean the party is about to end. You probably read ZeroHedge daily just like me. They have some pretty interesting articles that attempt to answer your question there, and some times the comments also shed a little light on that big question. Where’s Davy — he no doubt has a good opinion on this…

Perk Earl on Tue, 13th May 2014 1:52 pm 



“But my impression is that the financial powers in the world know that we are in a period of massive asset overvaluation with trillions in practically free “newly printed” money floating around.”

Just chuck that free money around and who knows, maybe real estate values for the super wealthy in some major cities will explode. I recently heard on a Kaiser report how the value of London properties was rising by over a 100k a day! Completely outrageous to think that won’t end badly. Very desperate fiscal times indeed.

Anyway, my suspicion is dropping QE is having a bigger effect on the economy as it relates to GDP numbers, than the cold weather this past winter. I’m very curious to see what 2nd qtr. GDP numbers come in at when reported in early July. If it is as dismal as the first qtr. it begs the question of whether Yellen will throw a hail mary pass by upping QE. This may be possible due to her many comments about remaining flexible to economic data in regards to supporting the ‘recovery’.

Yeah, stop off at zerohedge to rummage through their articles daily. Can be quite good sometimes, but not sure any of them are answering my question per se’.

Davy, Hermann, MO on Tue, 13th May 2014 2:05 pm 



Perk, BTFD!!! Here is everything you need to know about the current market:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-06/day-btfd-failed

RICHARD RALPH ROEHL on Tue, 13th May 2014 3:08 pm 



Noobtoob makes interesting points. Obviously… he’s awake, a major characteristic of people that live without tell-lie-vision.

Those that curse and criticize messenger people like Noobtube are suffering insecure eeegos taking shelter in DENIAL! DENIAL! DENIAL! The other possibility… is they are misanthropic psychopaths.

Old Coyote Knose that the EXPONENTIAL growth of the global baboony-human population and theglobal economy on Planet Over-birth Earth, a HOST ORGANISM of FINITE space and FINITE resources, cannot be sustained much longer. EXPONENTIAL growth in a closed looped system (Earth) is more than insane. It is suicide! It is EXTINCTION.

Northwest Resident on Tue, 13th May 2014 3:36 pm 



Perk Earl — Here’s a great article I just read that might come very close to answering your question:

The True Parasites Of Finance

Or to put it in starker terms: to me, the entire world of finance today only exists, or continues to exist, because of a relentless parade of advertising, promotion and marketing, PR. Which makes that which people don’t know better. For me it takes on the meaning that there is a relentless parade of journalists and government officials and central bankers and investors and hedge funders, etc., all hell bent on blowing such quantities of smoke up the public’s asses that the latter don’t think, or figure out, that the whole thing has become a parade of parasitical zombies, who suck the lifeblood out of society instead of creating value, something they will insist they do until their bodies crumble to ashes and evaporate.

theautomaticearth dot com/debt-rattle-may-13-2014-the-true-parasites-of-finance/

Davy, Hermann, MO on Tue, 13th May 2014 3:48 pm 



NR, what we are seeing today in global finance takes parasitic to new levels. I would equate it with mechanization of evil because this is killing people indirectly in an unholy system of greed corruption, and exploitation. These nice smart well dress pathological parasites are sucking the blood from innocents in reality. Kids are dying for want of food and medicine as an example.

Perk Earl on Tue, 13th May 2014 3:56 pm 



Davy, thanks for the link. I see what they are driving at, but Zero Hedge has been suggesting a major stock market correction for a long time now, so let’s see what happens next.

For now QE is still 45 billion a month, which is nothing to sneeze at even though it’s a lot less than 85b. The tale of the tape will be what happens with 2nd qtr. GDP. I think stock market investors are counting on Yellen to make good on her promise of making sure there is a recovery, code for jacking up QE again if economic data falters, so that is probably keeping helping to maintain confidence in the market.

Obviously it’s going to CORRECT at some point, but when is the big question.

Davy, Hermann, MO on Tue, 13th May 2014 4:03 pm 



Perk, it is all about confidence. If TPTB can manage to maintain 1%er confidence it can last. The numbers do not matter to this market. Positive or negative is pitched as positive. There is no reality anymore in that which is the most vital aspect of the human system. If we cannot trust our system of exchange and trade how can a global system function? Without a global functioning system we will go hungry very quickly.

Northwest Resident on Tue, 13th May 2014 4:06 pm 



Davy — You are right. The parasites are feasting. The ship is sinking and the parasites know it, which is why they are out in the open in broad day light, doing their parasitic sucking in plain sight. They have no fear of the law and no loyalty to any set of moral standards because they know better than most that this whole thing is going to crash any time now, so why not grab what they can while they can. Everybody is going to die anyway, right? Indeed, women and kids are dying right now, but hey, we ain’t seen nothing yet. Just wait until this free-for-all parasitic blood-sucking fest is over and there is no more blood left to suck out of the financial system. That moment is rapidly approaching. And that’s when the real dying (for want of food and medicine, and other reasons) really begins.

Perk Earl on Tue, 13th May 2014 4:10 pm 



NWR & Davy, Here is a link to an article Ilargi posted on Stoneleigh’s site: Very apropos, as it shows the periphery, the underpaid masses are increasingly being hung out to dry in favor of saving the core. The analogy to hypothermia is apt.

http://www.theautomaticearth.com/the-global-economy-suffers-from-hypothermia/
The Global Economy Suffers From Hypothermia

Early hypothermia may show in nothing more than cold feet, in itself an amusing analogy perhaps. But a body that is exposed to extreme cold over longer periods of time will at some point start to exhibit symptoms such as frostbite, which are the result of the core of the body trying to save itself at the cost of the periphery, the extremities. Typically, a human body, for instance, will lose its toes first because the heart can no longer pump enough blood (heat) to them and at the same time keep the body’s core above a minimum temperature.

In our economies we see the same pattern. It is not generally looked at or even recognized, however, since 99% of us live in denial of the possibility that such a thing would even be an option. This is a direct consequence of the fact that, first, all major news makers and decision makers reside in the core, and second, that saving that core while letting the extremities die off is somehow seen as a good thing. Post-crisis policies around the globe are directed at saving the financial system, not the people the crisis has pushed into poverty.

Davey on Tue, 13th May 2014 4:34 pm 



Yeap, Perk, great analogy. I have in the past used battlefield triage analogy. I am amazed the masses put up with it. I am not using “masses” in a derogatory way here just illustrating.

Northwest Resident on Tue, 13th May 2014 4:36 pm 



Great analogy, Earl, and very interesting article. I read theautomaticearth every day — good stuff.

HARM on Tue, 13th May 2014 4:59 pm 



noobtube,

As NW and others pointed out, atrocities, environmental degradation and bad/selfish behavior did not begin (or end) with Western Civilization. And if you think being a working class average American or a European sucks, try living in Nigeria for while.

Add to your list of “Western atrocities”:

science
democracy
concept of civil rights/social contract
electricity
indoor plumbing
antibiotics & vaccines
low childhood mortality
average lifespans >30 years
the Internet (this thing you’re sharing your complaints with the world on)

Yup, quite a sorry list there.

Jeff Flint on Tue, 13th May 2014 5:13 pm 



There’s little point in talking about ‘over-population’ as a problem since little can be done in the short-term. The focus ought to be on the medium and long-term to bring birth rates down so that the population stabilizes and falls towards the end of the century.

That is, assuming everything else goes BAU.

GregT on Tue, 13th May 2014 8:54 pm 



Jeff,
BAU is not going to continue. Even an annual growth rate of 3% per annum, doubles current economic output in only 23 years, or by 2037. We are pushing up against the limits to growth now, and when growth is no longer possible the economy tanks, followed by a reduction in our populations. Think food shortages.

Somehow, I seriously doubt that people will be lining up to sacrifice their lives for the betterment of society. This is not going to progress nicely.