71 Comments on "Michael Moore Presents Planet of the Humans"

DT on Tue, 26th May 2020 10:38 pm 



This is a great movie. If you don’t think it is a great movie. To bad for you.

Abraham van Helsing on Wed, 27th May 2020 12:42 am 



It is a nihilistic movie that doesn’t offer any workable vision for the future. Motto: “nothing works”.

Meanwhile in the real world… Toyota offers guarantee that their car batteries will deliver 75% capacity after 1 MILLION kilometer or 15 years:

https://www.wattisduurzaam.nl/26671/energie-besparen/transport/toyota-garandeert-accu-elektrische-bestelbus-voor-1-000-000-km/

DT on Wed, 27th May 2020 5:46 am 



My 1967 Toyota Carola Now has a smaller carbon footprint then any Toyota built today. My 1967 Toyota is 100% guaranteed to be running for the next 30 years having made it this past fifty odd years with one engine change out at 350,000 mile mark. Now at 200,000 miles on second engine.

Davy on Wed, 27th May 2020 6:01 am 



DT, STFU, you have an SUV and live in Miami Beach. Fucking lunatic

pointer on Wed, 27th May 2020 8:24 am 



Abraham van Helsing: You got it — the message is: “nothing works”. Is it not enough for the movie to point out that “green energy” will never save our lifestyle? For instance, when a scientist reviews a scientific paper and points out the flaws, is it not enough that said scientist points out the flaws, or is the scientist also expected to resolve the flaws as well?

Davy on Wed, 27th May 2020 8:54 am 



It is a pity both sides are so polarized. Renewables are vital in the coming transformation of human kind but honest science says renewables will not support the status quo of growth of population and consumption. Human behavior strategies of smart degrowth are the key. If both sides acknowledged a decline process and made plans for it, multiple strategies would be employed.

JuanP is stupid on Wed, 27th May 2020 8:59 am 



Davy on Wed, 27th May 2020 8:54 am

You got that right on Wed, 27th May 2020 9:11 am 



JuanP is stupid on Wed, 27th May 2020 8:59 am

pointer on Wed, 27th May 2020 9:26 am 



Davy, Most people I know are not interested in “smart degrowth”. They want the lifestyle they have, and like the warm, fuzzy feeling that green energy can somehow be swapped in without missing a beat. They seem disoriented when I try to explain to them that transitioning to green energy will require lots of compromises — they seem to think they’ll be able to jet off to the Swiss Alps for a skiing vacation, and get their cheap veggies from California, Mexico and beyond, just like they do now. I’d like to hear how you would convince (a) the spoiled West who won’t give up their lifestyle, and (b) the developing world that aspires to the Western lifestyle that they should get on board with “smart degrowth”. Perhaps start with your definition of “smart degrowth”.

Abraham van Helsing on Wed, 27th May 2020 9:40 am 



“Renewables are vital in the coming transformation of human kind”

Oh, they do?

I thought you said recently that they were just “more tech”, where we need “less”.

pointer on Wed, 27th May 2020 9:45 am 



Davy, Another request for a definition. What exactly is “the coming transformation of human kind”?

Davy on Wed, 27th May 2020 10:10 am 



“the coming transformation of human kind”

– is the dramatic shift of the human condition as we hit limits to growth in a state of being at or near tipping points of climate, ecosystems, and human population overshoot. This is the age of decline and it is now.

Davy on Wed, 27th May 2020 10:12 am 



“Renewables are vital in the coming transformation of human kind” “Oh, they do? I thought you said recently that they were just “more tech”, where we need “less”.”

They are just more tech and tech should not lead behavior. Instead enlightened human behavior should lead and choose what tech to employ. As long as tech is the driver the hole will be deeper.

DT on Wed, 27th May 2020 10:51 am 



Last night I watched Planet of The Humans on this page now it “does not exist”. I am sure the detractors are happy about it also being banned from Utube. Obviously the PTB do not like the message. The movie is most likely hitting where it hurts. That is how censorship works. Kill the message.

Duncan Idaho on Wed, 27th May 2020 10:53 am 



A psychiatrist explains why Trump’s obsession with Joe Scarborough murder conspiracy might be a sign of dementia
https://www.alternet.org/2020/05/a-psychiatrist-explains-why-trumps-obsession-with-joe-scarborough-murder-conspiracy-might-be-a-sign-of-dementia/
Don’t think so– he is just a psychopath.
But I guess he could be a demented psychopath?

Abraham van Helsing on Wed, 27th May 2020 10:59 am 



“Davy, Another request for a definition. What exactly is “the coming transformation of human kind”?”

Let me answer that for you, pointer, as empire dave can’t say this openly. [fasten your seatbelts]

The transformation empire dave envisions is a general die-off, from 7.x billion now towards 1.0 billion. Obviously the US will be the last man standing in this exercise. I mean you are exceptionalist or you’re not.

I don’t want to assume that empire dave will volunteer to nuke 6 billion out of existence, no worries, the mysterious, undefined, unspecified, COLLAPSE will come to the rescue.

Please don’t ask for details.

Empire dave is stuck in the die-hard peak-oil past and has built his entire life around a scenario that will not materialize:

“Olduvai Gorge”:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olduvai_theory

The theory was that the world was running out of resources fast, and oil in particular and that there is no replacement.lol

Empire dave has built himself an Arch of Noah, preparing for the deluge… that won’t come (if we ignore CW2 for a moment).

My favorite comparison is with these Japanese soldiers, who were found in the jungle of SE-Asia in the seventies, who were in hiding, because they thought that WW2 was still on.

I had my own peak oil period 2007-2012, but have abandoned that position when I noticed that fracking was buying us time. Then a little later gigantic coal reserves were discovered under the North Sea and at the same time renewable energy began to mature.

Since then I’m sort of an energy cornucopian and have abandoned all peak-oil-die-off superstitions.

The 2010 peak-oil drama has turned into an interesting techie Mecca for renewable energy, not unlike the development of the IT-industry between 1980-2010.

Abraham van Helsing on Wed, 27th May 2020 11:00 am 



“A psychiatrist explains why Trump’s obsession with Joe Scarborough murder conspiracy might be a sign of dementia”

Has anybody pointed out to you, Duncan, that you have a Trump obsession?

Let me be the one, then.

pointer on Wed, 27th May 2020 11:01 am 



Thanks for the clarification about the coming transformation of human kind, Davy. I agree the human condition is undergoing change, and is in for a lot more. Look at what this virus has done already. Wait until you can’t mitigate a crisis (economic, environmental, energy, etc.) by just staying home, wearing a mask, and washing your hands. For most of us, substantial change has not yet really arrived at our doorstep.

Related to all this, it is curious how the death has been managed. It is hard to properly grieve if you never get to see the body. It becomes more like an unresolved missing person situation than a death. I remember when my mother died, it didn’t really hit me until I saw her in the casket. No one is seeing anyone in a casket these days. We don’t even see the caskets.

DT on Wed, 27th May 2020 11:03 am 



The detractors and name callers love this censorship. https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/may/26/michael-moore-film-planet-of-the-humans-removed-from-youtube

pointer on Wed, 27th May 2020 11:31 am 



Abraham vH, let’s try to steer clear of the ad hominems (“Empire Davy”) so as to perhaps cultivate a climate here (pardon the pun) where we can have a real discussion, and perhaps learn and share some things. And let’s not bring up past transgressions to justify continuing to insult anyone.

With regard to a very substantial population decline, I, too, believe it will happen by the end of the century. It won’t consist of 6 billion bodies lying in the street, and the US is not going to be the last refuge of humanity. Most likely it will be as unexciting as several generations where, say, on average around the world, only 25% of the population raises replacement children. If you do the math, in a few generations, you can easily be down to less than 10% of the starting population (0.25 * 0.25 = 0.0625). Of course, it won’t happen all that smoothly. I expect there will be mass loss of life in places from unbearable climate, thirst, hunger and violence. I don’t have data at hand from past collapses (say the end of the Bronze Age) to paint a clearer picture of how many will die from such conditions, and how much the population simply shrinks because of low rates of child-bearing. But I think this general idea is fairly accurate.

Meanwhile the data and the math show that population will peak at about 10 billion around 2050 and decline thereafter, unless humans suddenly start reproducing at a much higher rate. This rate has a lot of inertia, so this forecast is fairly reliable.

With regard to your energy cornucopianism, is your model fundamentally different from the notion that we’ll eventually run out, or do you believe there is so much known fossil fuel that it is pointless to discuss running out, or some other model?

Abraham van Helsing on Wed, 27th May 2020 11:52 am 



The French want to build a 3.2 GW nuclear power station in Britain, but the locals are not amused:

https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/sizewell-c-nuclear-power-plant-wildlife-edf-energy-a9534631.html

The EDF already is busy building a similar reactor at a cost of £22.5bn, coming online 8 years late. That’s 7 billion per GW (uranium not included, not to mention basically unsolved nuclear waste-problem).

According to the latest figures for offshore wind, the cost has declined to € 1500-2000 per kWh or 1.5-2.0 billion per GW. Some compensation is needed for capacity factors (60% offshore wind for larger than 10 MW turbines vs ca. 92% for nukes). Wind fuel comes for free.

(High-end) source wind price data:

https://www.deingenieur.nl/artikel/wind-op-zee-kost-ruim-12-5-miljard-euro

Abraham van Helsing on Wed, 27th May 2020 12:03 pm 



Abraham vH, let’s try to steer clear of the ad hominems (“Empire Davy”)

This is not an ad hominem, but fairly accurate, albeit cartoonish description. Other people call him “DavyTurd”, now that’s a real ad hominem I will never use.

With regard to a very substantial population decline, I, too, believe it will happen by the end of the century.

Yes, I think so too. In 2050 there will be a peak. Billions are NOT going to die. I was even told that Africa has an obesity problem these days:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/27/world/africa/kenya-obesity-diabetes.html

(only matter of time before the Africans beg Europeans to stop sending food.lol)

With regard to your energy cornucopianism, is your model fundamentally different from the notion that we’ll eventually run out, or do you believe there is so much known fossil fuel that it is pointless to discuss running out, or some other model?

I’m an “EU-normie”, who supports the official EU renewable energy policy that dictates that by 2050 the EU should be 100% decarbonized. I think that is a reasonable and achievable goal. From there the “triumphal march” of renewable energy will be rolled out over the rest of the planet.

To give you an idea of how serious this is, here the approach in the Netherlands:

https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2020/05/27/energiestrategie-eindhoven-zuidoost-brabant/

My hometown Eindhoven (and all the other towns in the Netherlands) needs to specify before July 2021 how they think they are going to achieve that lofty 2050 goal, with a 2030 intermediate milestone.

DT on Wed, 27th May 2020 12:29 pm 



“Billions are NOT going to die.” https://www.aaas.org/news/humid-heat-already-exceeding-human-tolerance-some-regions

pointer on Wed, 27th May 2020 12:43 pm 



The US alone has about 1000 GW of electricity generation capacity (in all forms), so it seems that there’s going to have to be a lot of nuke building before the world can start relying primarily on nukes.

That said, I think that some humans will turn to nukes, believing for a while that nukes are the miracle that will save our lifestyle. And then when the landscape is littered with nukes, and uranium supplies are spotty, and there are waste-related disasters, humans still won’t think rationally.

But as long as fossil fuel energy is available, some portion of humans will cling to it, since it is quite convenient.

Humans will eventually settle on conservation, but they won’t choose it — it will be forced upon them, just like right now if you want to buy flour at the grocery store and there is none, well, then you don’t buy flour. You don’t have to make the conscious decision not to buy flour. I’m not sure how long humans will clutch to their various technological miracles, but it certainly will be as long as these miracles are there to be clutched. Then once they are gone (choose your favorite story for how the technology disappears), like with the flour, the only option will be a lifestyle without abundant energy.

Davy on Wed, 27th May 2020 12:49 pm 



“Davy, Another request for a definition. What exactly is “the coming transformation of human kind”?”
“Let me answer that for you, pointer, as empire dave can’t say this openly. [fasten your seatbelts]”
‘The transformation empire dave envisions is a general die-off, from 7.x billion now towards 1.0 billion. Obviously the US will be the last man standing in this exercise. I mean you are exceptionalist or you’re not.”

Its possible, cloggo, but my position is this is a process and will proceed over time with location being the key variable. I would not want to be in a place like Egypt maybe of southern Sudan. You are just embellishing my story to be dramatic. Your Anglo and tech derangement knows no bounds.

“I don’t want to assume that empire dave will volunteer to nuke 6 billion out of existence, no worries, the mysterious, undefined, unspecified, COLLAPSE will come to the rescue.”

Cloggo, humans are the problem and until behavior changes, we are heading for a die down dictated by nature. Plain and simple with honest science not your fantasy hopium science.

‘Please don’t ask for details. Empire dave is stuck in the die-hard peak-oil past and has built his entire life around a scenario that will not materialize: “Olduvai Gorge”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olduvai_theory The theory was that the world was running out of resources fast, and oil in particular and that there is no replacement.lol”

Peak oil is alive and well and still a force of decline just not the main one peakers embraced starting 15 years ago. You are in PO denial because you have a fantasy renewable agenda.

“Empire dave has built himself an Arch of Noah, preparing for the deluge… that won’t come (if we ignore CW2 for a moment). My favorite comparison is with these Japanese soldiers, who were found in the jungle of SE-Asia in the seventies, who were in hiding, because they thought that WW2 was still on.”

I am a green prepper. I practice footprint lowering strategies that also involve good risk management for increased resilience and sustainability.

“I had my own peak oil period 2007-2012, but have abandoned that position when I noticed that fracking was buying us time. Then a little later gigantic coal reserves were discovered under the North Sea and at the same time renewable energy began to mature. Since then I’m sort of an energy cornucopian and have abandoned all peak-oil-die-off superstitions. The 2010 peak-oil drama has turned into an interesting techie Mecca for renewable energy, not unlike the development of the IT-industry between 1980-2010.”

You are a blind techie who thinks a kw=kw and energy is free from solar and wind. Your goofy comments talk about the future of tech as if it is here already. You can’t scale your fantasy with planetary realities nor economic constraints. Your whole techie obsession is to support your racist whitey whining.

Sock Buster on Wed, 27th May 2020 12:51 pm 



DT on Wed, 27th May 2020 12:29 pm

should read:

JuanP on Wed, 27th May 2020 12:29 pm

pointer on Wed, 27th May 2020 12:56 pm 



Abraham vH: And does the EU have a plan for the continual maintenance of its 100% decarbonized energy production? Do the planned energy systems include capacity to produce replacement solar panels and wind turbines, including the energy that will be required to produce, transport and install them, and to mine the materials required for their production? How about the energy to build and then decommission nukes? The illusion that green energy provides power for free forever is just that. A lot of maintenance and replacement is needed to keep the system going. It is not just a matter of throwing up some infrastructure that gives you energy in perpetuity.

pointer on Wed, 27th May 2020 1:02 pm 



Davy, the ad hominem request was directed to everyone. Hope we all can be kind to one another, as I often find the personal abuse makes this forum worthless. There was a time where I would learn something new here every day.

Here’s a suggestion: if someone makes a claim, ask what is their evidence, and where did they get it? Use math to dismantle others’ claims if you can. This is much more productive to visitors here merely insulting others. If you need to insult anyone, get their email address, and take it there out of everyone’s sight.

Davy on Wed, 27th May 2020 1:25 pm 



First pointer are you even pointer or has JuanP hijacked your handle? Second, please point out the ad hom?

pointer on Wed, 27th May 2020 1:34 pm 



I assure you I am the one and only pointer who has visited and occasionally posted here over the past few years.

“please point out the ad hom?”

“Your Anglo and tech derangement knows no bounds.”

Davy on Wed, 27th May 2020 2:10 pm 



Pointer. I mean JuanP. Try a little harder next time. LMFAO

Davy on Wed, 27th May 2020 2:16 pm 



What the matter PointerP? You all triggered I outed you so fast? There is reason I am the admin here you know. So I can out all JuanP’s dirty socks.

DT on Wed, 27th May 2020 2:45 pm 



What is up with this whole JaunP thing?

l on Wed, 27th May 2020 4:52 pm 



jaunp is none other than me
i love supremacist muzzies and i love supertard
i urge eveyrone to do the same

pointer on Wed, 27th May 2020 5:30 pm 



Let me say it again: “Hope we all can be kind to one another.”

l on Wed, 27th May 2020 5:43 pm 



pointer on Wed, 27th May 2020 5:30 pm

Let me say it again: “Hope we all can be kind to one another.”

no deal, either we amputate all muzzies starting with muzzi imams or we forever be enemies and i’ll destroy the environment to make it inhospitable for supremacist muzzies, anyway i can

DT on Wed, 27th May 2020 5:58 pm 



What is a “muzzie?” I did not see this in the Movie above. Is it a reference to some new form of clean energy?

Asshole on Wed, 27th May 2020 6:04 pm 



Miami is slowly reopening, too. Restaurants are now allowed outdoor seating, some parks have opened, and the beach will open soon. Some other businesses are reopening, too, like realtors and hair salons. Traffic is almost back to normal. There are only traffic jams at COVID testing and food giveaway locations, though, so not yet back to 100% normal traffic.

Asshole on Wed, 27th May 2020 6:05 pm 



We’ve just experienced a rain event here in Miami these past 3 days, and there’s more rain coming. The farm’s water level is higher than it’s been in at least a decade. I had to raise my beehives one foot today because the bottoms were submerged around 6″. Fortunately, we’re getting loads of free fill coming in regularly and expect the farm to be 100% flood proof in a year. We are raising the ground level 6 feet to 12 feet everywhere except the pond, and creating our own mini watershed using swales and berms to completely separate us from the surface water around us. The pond is part of the aquifer, though, so water will still filter to it through the ground.

Duncan Idaho on Wed, 27th May 2020 6:10 pm 



Well—-

https://images.dailykos.com/images/810041/story_image/TrumpGolfs100KWebFinal.jpg?1590600468

Anonymouse on Wed, 27th May 2020 6:29 pm 



DT, I dont pay any attention to the davy sock puppet that he uses to speak in gibberish. I dont know anyone else that does either. So what a ‘muzzie’ is supposed to be, is something only known to davys multiple ‘personalities’, such as they are. And since no one gives a shit what davys lunatic socks are doing, it will hopefully remain one of those mysteries you never cared to uncover.

Not Anonymouse on Wed, 27th May 2020 6:37 pm 



Anonymouse on Wed, 27th May 2020 6:29 pm

makati1 on Wed, 27th May 2020 6:39 pm 



Right On Anon! I don’t read any of Demented Delusional Davy’s sock puppet posts. Pure waste of time. They only prove his insanity. Obviously, he has no life. If we are lucky, he will become a flu statistic?

Anonymouse on Wed, 27th May 2020 8:09 pm 



Mak, If there really was a genuine ‘pandemic’ of any real severity going on, there might be a chance the world could be rid of him once for all. But, all Fort Detrick cooked up was a fairly benign version of Mers or something to that effect with a final mortality rate likely in the range of .25% Getting rid of him that way would be like winning the lottery.

But we can keep our fingers crossed right?! I know I sure am.

Duncan Idaho on Wed, 27th May 2020 8:13 pm 



1923 — Germany: Henry Kissinger lives … Just another American war criminal in a just world.

Duncan Idaho on Wed, 27th May 2020 8:19 pm 



1972 — US: Second “Watergate break-in” attempt by Dick “I am not a Used Car Salesman” Nixon’s CREEP agents fail when bungling Virgilio Gonzales is unable to pick a lock on the door of the Democratic National Committee headquarters.

makati1 on Wed, 27th May 2020 9:43 pm 



A few do win, Anon, but, yes, we are not likely to be so lucky. I hope you have plans to leave when you can. The shit is just beginning in the US and Canada, I think.

I am really glad I am no longer in the US and will never go back. I do not regret my decision and am glad to live in a semi-free country, in the shadow of the new world leader, China.

Have a great day!

Abraham van Helsing on Thu, 28th May 2020 2:32 am 



“in the shadow of the new world leader, China.”

The Germans are increasingly sending signals of the awareness of the growing might of the Chinese. Yesterday for the first time, in prime time news, the newscasters stated that “the 21st century will be Chinese”:

https://www.zdf.de/dokumentation/zdfinfo-doku/die-macht-des-drachen-chinas-globale-militaerstrategie-102.html

The German news only says what the US deep state will allow them to say, but it is already a big step for them to admit that this century won’t be western and that western hegemony is over.

Obviously, my solution to counter the coming Chinese threat (of planetary takeover) is out of scope, namely a merger EU-Russia and integration of those North-Americans, who on second thoughts, rediscover their inner-European and abandon American-ness, since every human biped these days can be an American. The German media bozos still prefer to see Russia as an enemy, since that country opposes their ethno-communist world-view. But that is a luxury they won’t be able to afford that much longer. The populists have already discovered Russia and want an end to sanctions. For starters.

makati1 on Thu, 28th May 2020 3:13 am 



Abe, not going to happen. Russia and China are Siamese twins now, joined at the economy/military. While the EU will eventually integrate with the East/China, moving towards Russia will mean the EU needs to grow some balls and a backbone, and be able to cut the US out of the picture. Ditto, dissolve NATO. Good luck with that!

BTW: “Among EU Member States, the Netherlands was the largest importer of goods from China and Germany was the largest exporter of goods to China in 2019.”

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/China-EU_-_international_trade_in_goods_statistics

The EU imports almost as much as the US from China. You need China’s stuff and Russian energy. In other words, you are fucked from both ends. Dreaming of some fantasy future where you don’t need both, you are as delusional as Davy.

Abraham van Helsing on Thu, 28th May 2020 3:43 am 



“Russia and China are Siamese twins now, joined at the economy/military.”

You are completely misreading Russian intentions. Their hook-up with China was entirely enforced by US behavior. But since the days of Breznjev, the Russians have been hinting at membership of the Common European Home. They do that until today. Russia is scared-to-death for China.

“moving towards Russia will mean the EU needs to grow some balls and a backbone, and be able to cut the US out of the picture. Ditto, dissolve NATO. Good luck with that!”

Meanwhile US today:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8363407/Protesters-descend-streets-Minneapolis-second-night-death-George-Floyd.html

“Looter is shot dead by pawn shop owner and stores are ransacked and torched as George Floyd protest erupts in violence and armed vigilantes patrol Minneapolis streets in second night of violence”

CW2 sneak preview.

The US problem is solving itself. Multiracial societies have no future, nowhere, the US will simply fall apart. White Americans, as the last demographic on earth, will discover that white societies are the most attractive to live in and will act on that insight, aided by Europeans with a big natzi grin on their faces. American independence from Europe: turned out to be a bridge too far. On the US tomb stone will be written: “RIP USA, we were no match for the Jews”.

China is going to be the new #1 country, but can and will be contained by European civilization (white race, Roman-Christian heritage: EU, Russia, (T)rump-USA).

I have never been more upbeat geopolitically and technologically than now. My personal great “depressions”…

1. 2002, killing of populist Fortuyn in Holland
2. 2007-2012 peak oil

…have all been overcome. The American Era is almost over. Everything I had hoped for throughout my life (European unity and climbing from under the American tomb stone, as well as finding an answer for the problems as stated by the Club of Rome) is now coming to pass.

We are going to have a multi-polar world order, dominated by China and (very) Greater Europe. The Eurasian Century, not the Chinese Century.

“The EU imports almost as much as the US from China. You need China’s stuff and Russian energy. In other words, you are fucked from both ends.”

BS, Europe overall has larger surpluses than China:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_current_account_balance

EU……+202B
China…+165B
Russia…+40B
UK…….-107
USA…..-460B

Europe.won.
China.won.
Anglo hybrid-Europeans and their globalism=ethnic communism, are history.
The Jewish victory over the white race (USA+USSR-1945) was very short-lived.
North-Americans are well-advised to prepare to save their sorry white asses and re-apply for membership of European Civilization. Perhaps we’ll even do them that favor.