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‘Hyperalarming’ study shows massive insect loss
Insects around the world are in a crisis, according to a small but growing number of long-term studies showing dramatic declines in invertebrate populations. A new report suggests that the problem is more widespread than scientists realized. Huge numbers of bugs have been lost in a pristine national forest in Puerto Rico, the study found, and the forest’s insect-eating animals have gone missing, too.
In 2014, an international team of biologists estimated that, in the past 35 years, the abundance of invertebrates such as beetles and bees had decreased by 45 percent. In places where long-term insect data are available, mainly in Europe, insect numbers are plummeting. A study last year showed a 76 percent decrease in flying insects in the past few decades in German nature preserves.
The latest report, published Monday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, shows that this startling loss of insect abundance extends to the Americas. The study’s authors implicate climate change in the loss of tropical invertebrates.
“This study in PNAS is a real wake-up call — a clarion call — that the phenomenon could be much, much bigger, and across many more ecosystems,” said David Wagner, an expert in invertebrate conservation at the University of Connecticut who was not involved with this research. He added: “This is one of the most disturbing articles I have ever read.”
Bradford Lister, a biologist at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in New York, has been studying rain-forest insects in Puerto Rico since the 1970s. If Puerto Rico is the island of enchantment — “la isla del encanto” — then its rain forest is “the enchanted forest on the enchanted isle,” he said. Birds and coqui frogs trill beneath a 50-foot-tall emerald canopy. The forest, named El Yunque, is well-protected. Spanish King Alfonso XII claimed the jungle as a 19th-century royal preserve. Decades later, Theodore Roosevelt made it a national reserve, and El Yunque remains the only tropical rain forest in the National Forest system.
“We went down in ’76, ’77 expressly to measure the resources: the insects and the insectivores in the rain forest, the birds, the frogs, the lizards,” Lister said.
He went back nearly 40 years later, with his colleague Andrés García, an ecologist at the National Autonomous University of Mexico. What the scientists did not see on their return troubled them. “Boy, it was immediately obvious when we went into that forest,” Lister said. Fewer birds flitted overhead. The butterflies, once abundant, had all but vanished.
García and Lister once again measured the forest’s insects and other invertebrates, a group called arthropods that includes spiders and centipedes. The researchers trapped arthropods on the ground in plates covered in a sticky glue, and raised several more plates about three feet into the canopy. The researchers also swept nets over the brush hundreds of times, collecting the critters that crawled through the vegetation.
Each technique revealed the biomass (the dry weight of all the captured invertebrates) had significantly decreased from 1976 to the present day. The sweep sample biomass decreased to a fourth or an eighth of what it had been. Between January 1977 and January 2013, the catch rate in the sticky ground traps fell 60-fold.
“Everything is dropping,” Lister said. The most common invertebrates in the rain forest — the moths, the butterflies, the grasshoppers, the spiders and others — are all far less abundant.
“Holy crap,” Wagner said of the 60-fold loss.
Louisiana State University entomologist Timothy Schowalter, who is not an author of the recent report, has studied this forest since the 1990s. The new research is consistent with his data, as well as the European biomass studies. “It takes these long-term sites, with consistent sampling across a long period of time, to document these trends,” he said. “I find their data pretty compelling.”
The study authors also trapped anole lizards, which eat arthropods, in the rain forest. They compared these numbers with counts from the 1970s. Anole biomass dropped by more than 30 percent. Some anole species have altogether disappeared from the interior forest.
Insect-eating frogs and birds plummeted, too. Another research team used mist nets to capture birds in 1990, and again in 2005. Captures fell by about 50 percent. Garcia and Lister analyzed the data with an eye on the insectivores. The ruddy quail dove, which eats fruits and seeds, had no population change. A brilliant green bird called the Puerto Rican tody, which eats bugs almost exclusively, diminished by 90 percent.
The food web appears to have been obliterated from the bottom. It’s credible that the authors link the cascade to arthropod loss, Schowalter said, because “you have all these different taxa showing the same trends — the insectivorous birds, frogs and lizards — but you don’t see those among seed-feeding birds.”
Lister and Garcia attribute this crash to climate. In the same 40-year period as the arthropod crash, the average high temperature in the rain forest increased by 4 degrees Fahrenheit. The temperatures in the tropics stick to a narrow band. The invertebrates that live there, likewise, are adapted to these temperatures and fare poorly outside them; bugs cannot regulate their internal heat.
A recent analysis of climate change and insects, published in August in the journal Science, predicts a decrease in tropical insect populations, according to an author of that study, Scott Merrill, who studies crop pests at the University of Vermont. In temperate regions farther from the equator, where insects can survive a wider range of temperatures, agricultural pests will devour more food as their metabolism increases, Merrill and his co-authors warned. But after a certain thermal threshold, insects will no longer lay eggs, he said, and their internal chemistry breaks down.
The authors of a 2017 study of vanished flying insects in Germany suggested other possible culprits, including pesticides and habitat loss. Arthropods around the globe also have to contend with pathogens and invasive species.
“It’s bewildering, and I’m scared to death that it’s actually death by a thousand cuts,” Wagner said. “One of the scariest parts about it is that we don’t have an obvious smoking gun here.” A particular danger to these arthropods, in his view, was not temperature but droughts and lack of rainfall.
Lister pointed out that, since 1969, pesticide use has fallen more than 80 percent in Puerto Rico. He does not know what else could be to blame. The study authors used a recent analytic method, invented by a professor of economics at Fordham University, to assess the role of heat. “It allows you to place a likelihood on variable X causing variable Y,” Lister said. “So we did that and then five out of our six populations we got the strongest possible support for heat causing those decreases in abundance of frogs and insects.”
The authors sorted out the effects of weather like hurricanes and still saw a consistent trend, Schowalter said, which makes a convincing case for climate.
“If anything, I think their results and caveats are understated. The gravity of their findings and ramifications for other animals, especially vertebrates, is hyperalarming,” Wagner said. But he is not convinced that climate change is the global driver of insect loss. “The decline of insects in northern Europe precedes that of climate change there,” he said. “Likewise, in New England, some tangible declines began in the 1950s.”
No matter the cause, all of the scientists agreed that more people should pay attention to the bugpocalypse.
“It’s a very scary thing,” Merrill said, that comes on the heels of a “gloomy, gloomy” U.N. report that estimated the world has little more than a decade left to wrangle climate change under control. But “we can all step up,” he said, by using more fuel-efficient cars and turning off unused electronics. The Portland, Ore.-based Xerces Society, a nonprofit environmental group that promotes insect conservation, recommends planting a garden with native plants that flower throughout the year.
“Unfortunately, we have deaf ears in Washington,” Schowalter said. But those ears will listen at some point, he said, because our food supply will be in jeopardy.
Thirty-five percent of the world’s plant crops require pollination by bees, wasps and other animals. And arthropods are more than just pollinators. They’re the planet’s wee custodians, toiling away in unnoticed or avoided corners. They chew up rotting wood and eat carrion. “And none of us want to have more carcasses around,” Schowalter said. Wild insects provide $57 billion worth of six-legged labor in the United States each year, according to a 2006 estimate.
The loss of insects and arthropods could further rend the rain forest’s food web, Lister warned, causing plant species to go extinct without pollinators. “If the tropical forests go it will be yet another catastrophic failure of the whole Earth system,” he said, “that will feed back on human beings in an almost unimaginable way.”
60 Comments on "‘Hyperalarming’ study shows massive insect loss"
GetAVasectomyAndLetTheHumanSpecieDie on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 4:21 pm
We are losing wilde life because of reproduction. Google genetic entropy and you will understand why everything build with DNA is now dying. DNA get damaged and loses
information every time something organic reproduced. Look at human beings, they look weak, sick and stupid because of genetic entropy.
Same thing apply with trees, a lot of trees are now dying too. Organic life has a programmed end of life through the degeneration of DNA information.
God is wise in his creation. It has nothing to do with global warming.
GetAVasectomytAndLetTheHumanSpecieDie on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 4:31 pm
I steal the following comments from this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZn7tTdCm6U
“In the face of the enormous complexity that modern biochemistry has uncovered in the cell, the scientific community is paralyzed. No one at Harvard University, no one at the National Institutes of Health, no member of the National Academy of Sciences, no Nobel prize winner — no one at all can give a detailed account of how the cilium, or vision, or blood clotting, or any complex biochemical process might have developed in a Darwinian fashion.” Darwin’s Black Box.
Sinny on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 5:27 pm
GetAVasectomytAndLetTheHumanSpecieDie, you may be well meaning but you are mad.
The irony is that’s your very irrationality is the real problem of humanity. We – not god- have created all this ruin and it’s simply because we are not a rational species.
Mar Ziegler on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 5:36 pm
There is a growing concern of the affect of anything cellular and wireless emf. Found in bio chemistry studies.
makati1 on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 5:57 pm
We began the killing of our support system when we started burning coal and adding CO2 to the air. Now we are burning everything combustible, playing god with the genes of just about everything, and mixing chemicals into drugs, cleaners, paints, etc. by the billions of tons. Throw in the changing climate and the end is near.
Few people know or even think about how the ecosystem works and is intertwined. That little bug you killed is another creature’s food or enemy. There is no living thing that doesn’t have a purpose in life. None. Except, maybe, humans.
How many holes can we cut in the web of life before it falls apart? We shall see, to our own destruction.
Theedrich on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 6:56 pm
The U.S. is a receptacle of the world’s filth. Rich filth, but filth nonetheless. It is defying the law of evolution toward higher life and degrading the human species into ever lower degenerates, aiming at ending the 4.65 billion life of earth forever. The fraudulent Christian ideology of the nation, the Yid control of the media, and the universal bribery of the Yankee government has destroyed the world. There is no more use arguing about morality or goody-goodness of the “indispensable nation” with its Civil War and two Wars against Europe to fulfill its fantasy of a “better world” by exterminating the White race. Life and bioevolution are the supreme law of the universe, regardless of what the nihilist elites and idiots savants in charge of the propaganda organs claim. The United States is a diseased and rotten cancer of evolution on this planet, run by zombies and ghouls.
The bee population decline is not the only warning sign. It is only poetic justice that the hormone-disrupting plastics now sterilizing all males are sealing the fate, not only of mankind, but of all higher creatures on the planet. Good job, America.
Antius on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 7:48 pm
Theedrich, it is fat and lack of physical activity that are doing the lions share of damage to male fertility. If only the solution were so simple as reducing plastic pollution.
Antius on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 7:56 pm
“DNA get damaged and loses
information every time something organic reproduced.”
That might be true for a creature that reproduces entirely through mitosis. A kind of replication fading problem. Luckily, we aren’t clones. We reproduce through meiosis, a mechanism that has worked well and allowed steadily growing complexity for a billion years on Earth. Why would it suddenly fall to pieces now? It makes no logical sense.
DMyers on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 8:10 pm
Everyone is so worried about extinction of this and extinction of that. Couple of extinctions back, the so-called “Great Dying”, I recall a 90% extinction of life on Earth (including the seas).
We’ll come back. We always do. It’s in us. Maybe next time, things will turn out better.
Interesting this ongoing between extinction believers and extinction deniers. I’m a denier because I don’t want to believe it. We will not go extinct. If it comes down to one last 80 year old male in Canada, I believe he will find a way to get it up for the cause, to impregnate the little whatever it is that resembles a female human.
Canary in the coal mine. That is what comes to mind.
Dooma on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 8:26 pm
We are losing the very early stages of the food chain at an alarming rate. And also the insects that are responsible for the pollination of plants. This article should be major news and receive priority on the idiot box. Same goes in our oceans. Plankton, a tiny creature that has such a HUGE role is in trouble. We are polluting the seas and strip-mining them as well.
Have you ever walked through a monoculture environment? Apart from the apparent cash crop, it is eerily devoid of life. No insects, animals and of course, other plant species.
How many years has man been farming for now? And this is where all that knowledge has to lead us to. It is hard to tell if financial collapse, famine, overpopulation, a new virus will tip us into the abyss. But I genuinely believe that war will finish us off quickly, so we don’t have to starve.
makati1 on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 8:39 pm
You could be correct, Dooma. War is the likely end for humanity, not ecological suicide. Some deny that it can happen. They just do not know history.
makati1 on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 8:41 pm
DMyers, denial is not going to change anything. There will be zero humans left by 2100. All the plans to ‘mitigate’ the problems by human intervention will never happen. If you think otherwise, I have a slightly used bridge in Manhattan I can let you have cheap. lol
makati1 on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 8:51 pm
Antius, you may want to read this and get educated:
“Each of the ~10 to the 13th cells in the human body receives tens of thousands of DNA lesions per day1. These lesions can block genome replication and transcription, and if they are not repaired or are repaired incorrectly, they lead to mutations or wider-scale genome aberrations that threaten cell or organism viability. Some DNA aberrations arise via physiological processes, such as DNA mismatches occasionally introduced during DNA replication and DNA strand breaks caused by abortive topoisomerase I and topoisomerase II activity. In addition, hydrolytic reactions and non-enzymatic methylations generate thousands of DNA-base lesions per cell per day. DNA damage is also produced by reactive-oxygen compounds arising as byproducts from oxidative respiration or through redox-cycling events involving environmental toxins and Fenton reactions mediated by heavy metals2. Reactive oxygen and nitrogen compounds are also produced by macrophages and neutrophils at sites of inflammation and infections3. Such chemicals can attack DNA, leading to adducts that impair base-pairing and/or block DNA replication and transcription, base loss, or DNA single-strand breaks (SSBs). Furthermore, when two SSBs arise in close proximity, or when the DNA-replication apparatus encounters a SSB or certain other lesions, double-strand breaks (DSBs) are formed. While DSBs do not occur as frequently as the other lesions listed above, they are difficult to repair and extremely toxic4….
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2906700/
I would say that “tens of thousands of DNA lesions per day” is a change in each of us. And there are always DNA changes in each new birth. That is why there are ‘preemies’, still births, birth defects, etc. Some live. Some do not. Lack of education is the cause of so much understanding about the world we live in.
Antius on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 9:13 pm
Makati, DNA damage is an inevitable consequence of oxygen based respiration. Nothing unnatural about it. And yes, genetic mutation is part of that. Cancer is also an end result of dna damage.
I AM THE MOB on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 9:27 pm
Permian Won’t Be Enough – Prepare for Supply Gap and ‘a Decade of Disorder’
https://www.oilandgas360.com/panel-permian-wont-be-enough-prepare-for-supply-gap-and-a-decade-of-disorder/
I AM THE MOB on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 9:31 pm
Dont worry Davy will sing koombaya and thump a drum at his permie farm..And all will be well in the world!
I AM THE MOB on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 9:40 pm
Don’t worry about the bees dying..Davy will join hands at his permi farm and sing ‘We are the world”…
I AM THE MOB on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 9:46 pm
Mak
I think you need to change your diaper..You stink..
I AM THE MOB on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 10:05 pm
Former Fed Chairman Paul Volcker says the U.S. is in “a hell of a mess in every direction.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/23/former-fed-chairman-paul-volcker-thinks-were-in-a-hell-of-a-mess.html?__source=twitter%7Cmain
makati1 on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 10:12 pm
MOB, you have mental problems that cannot be changed.
makati1 on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 10:23 pm
Antius: “. Why would it suddenly fall to pieces now? It makes no logical sense.”
From my ref above: “DNA damage is also produced … through redox-cycling events involving environmental toxins and Fenton reactions mediated by heavy metals2.”
Did you miss the part about environmental toxins? Heavy metals? The millions of tons of those things we produce every year? They add up, in case you were not intelligent enough to put 2 + 2 together. Birth defects will continue to get worse until we are no longer a viable species. The first world lifestyle is suicide by toxins.
Meanwhile we are killing the ecosystem that our lives depend on. The question is: Who will become extinct first and how soon? At some point we will hit the tipping point and it will be a fast fall into extinction for us and most life on earth. I put my money on the tipping point being well before 2100.
The last humans may be some malformed idiots slightly below chimps in intelligence and grotesque in appearance. OR nukes may end it all sooner. We shall see.
KumbaJack on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 10:24 pm
What is interesting is the explosion of new species after each extinction. There is a force that creates new species and rejuvenates the old ones.
makati1 on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 10:29 pm
Kumba, this time we may make it very difficult for any species to survive or return. We have destroyed most of the planet’s ability to support life and a nuclear exchange has never happened before. Yes, some form of “life” may return in a few hundred million years, but it may not be any higher than virus or germs.
Dooma on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 10:58 pm
Agreed Mak. We are down to our last metaphorical loose change in the resource jar. We have maxed-out our nature credit card. Borrowed from generations yet born.
A fix for this went well past ‘hard’ decades ago. The people who control this planet genuinely believe that their money will save them.
Our current predicament is not like the 70’s oil squeeze as so many have mentioned. Nature’s reserve tank is running low.
We have made a mess of things. That is why people like Mike Ruppert got out. Each day, we face new cold hard facts. People cannot process these facts rather than not believe them IMHO.
One intellectual described the situation like this: because people can not see an immediate threat, like a knife, gun or wayward comet, they don’t take action.
Cloggie on Tue, 23rd Oct 2018 11:07 pm
“Former Fed Chairman Paul Volcker says the U.S. is in “a hell of a mess in every direction.””
Look at it from a positive angle… Yugoslavia was a mess too after the death of communism. Then a war of secession followed, that was about which ethnicity gets what territory. When that was settled, everybody could begin to build up his own country again and aspire to become part of the European world, the highest aim in life.
https://youtu.be/y5zfEw2NFr4
boney joe on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 1:35 am
“Unfortunately, we have deaf ears in Washington.”
No surprise considering Republican’s, since Trump entered office, have done everything possible from a funding and legal and oversight perspective to destroy the environment.
Nobody can deny this fact. There’s plenty of evidence. Just do a simple search to find out.
For this reason, I find DavyDonaldTurd’s and Anti-Anus’ talk about their “children’s” future and the steps they have taken to be good stewards, to be total hypocritical bullshit.
Sickening word garbage.
boney joe on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 1:42 am
“How many holes can we cut in the web of life before it falls apart? We shall see, to our own destruction.”
Mak
“Why would it suddenly fall to pieces now? It makes no logical sense.”
anti-anus
Shut the fuck up, anus. Mak is repeating what every scientist has always known. Your attempt at subterfuge through a 9th grade biology course discussion of cell division is just plain stupid.
boney joe on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 1:53 am
“Kumba, this time we may make it very difficult for any species to survive or return. We have destroyed most of the planet’s ability to support life and a nuclear exchange has never happened before. Yes, some form of “life” may return in a few hundred million years, but it may not be any higher than virus or germs.”
Exactly. Further, there may not be enough time for another intelligent, and hopefully much wiser, species to develop before the sun becomes a red giant.
Davy on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 2:10 am
“Look at it from a positive angle… Yugoslavia was a mess too after the death of communism.”
neder, you might want to review Italy and get back to us. Volker would have nothing good to say about your Euroland either. More cherry picking anti-American news out of you and no self-reflections.
Davy on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 2:14 am
“For this reason, I find DavyDonaldTurd’s and Anti-Anus’ talk about their “children’s” future and the steps they have taken to be good stewards, to be total hypocritical bullshit.”
What do you do sloppy joe? You have said nothing about your life because likely you are likely an extreme failure. Your talk is a dead giveaway for a nobody. Just like your buddy a-noise1 you guys talk shit on others but a too much of cowards to enlighten the board about what good you are doing. You are afraid to discuss actual real life efforts because there likely are very few. You are a fake and a fraud just like a-noise.
Davy on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 2:19 am
“Shut the fuck up, anus. Mak is repeating what every scientist has always known. Your attempt at subterfuge through a 9th grade biology course discussion of cell division is just plain stupid.”
Well, we know one thing when the fucks fly we see adolescence. Antius is correct this is an extinction process and likely we have many more years of decline with localized failures. Yea, it may just fall apart suddenly we don’t know but most scientist agree this is a process. Billy is getting near his end and it makes him happy to know others will not have much time either. I have been following the conniving old man now for years. You sloppy joe have only been here a short time and likely as a sock puppet. You have said nothing about who you are or what you do to have any intellectual credentials. We know you have had gay sex at an early age. That is about all you have shared about your dumbass.
boney joe on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 3:06 am
DavyTurd-
What explains your constant mentioning of “young gay sex”. Just tonight, when real farmers are sleeping at 3:00AM, you have talked about “young gay sex” four times. Proof positive you are a Republican homosexual pedophile predator. This explains where you live so as to make your preying upon poor, rural boys easier.
What a sick fuck.
It means you are just one more perverted Republican homosex pedophile. You are disgusting and sick.
You are an insidious cancer and Public Enemy #1
boney joe on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 3:16 am
“You have said nothing about who you are or what you do to have any intellectual credentials.”
You must be nuttier than a fruitcake if you think I have any interest in sharing my personal details with characters of your sort.
Since it’s your suggestion, why don’t you take the lead and do the same. On second thought, forget it. It would be impossible to differentiate fact from fiction.
I may have been here a short time, but I took an early retirement package so I have all of the time in the world to “moderate” your nonsense. So be prepared to see lots of me. Anytime you post a lie or distortion, I will hit back like a ton of bricks.
Enjoy and try to get some sleep since you have a long day of farm responsibilities-LOL.
Davy on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 3:20 am
“What explains your constant mentioning of “young gay sex”.”
Sloppy joe, my point is this is all we know about you so we can conclude you ain’t shit but talk.
“Just tonight, when real farmers are sleeping at 3:00AM”
Come on sloppy joe what do you know about real farmers and BTW, why aren’t you sleeping. Don’t you work or something? I will go to bed shortly and on balance get 7 hours sleep. I might even take a siesta later..lol because I can. I make my own hours.
“you have talked about “young gay sex” four times.”
Got references” I think I mentioned it once sloppy joe in regards to that is all we know about you…oh..and you must be a card carrying dem.
“Proof positive you are a Republican homosexual pedophile predator. This explains where you live so as to make your preying upon poor, rural boys easier.”
I think it is proof positive you are the “homosexual pedophile predator” you are the one that enlightened us to your preferences.
“What a sick fuck.”
More adolescence. When the fucks fly the argument has been lost.
“It means you are just one more perverted Republican homosex pedophile. You are disgusting and sick.”
You just said that stupid so was that your anger erupting or more sloppy joe?
“You are an insidious cancer and Public Enemy #1”
Mission accomplished. Another extremist liberal lunatic neutered.
Davy on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 3:30 am
“You must be nuttier than a fruitcake if you think I have any interest in sharing my personal details with characters of your sort.”
Translation: I am a coward that attacks others but unwilling to offer an skin in the game. Dumbass if you play you have to pay. Otherwise you are just one of many stupid big talkers that come on here and act like they are a big dog. Sloppy joe, you ain’t shit and you can’t even write a proper comment.
“Since it’s your suggestion, why don’t you take the lead and do the same. On second thought, forget it. It would be impossible to differentiate fact from fiction.”
Sloppy joe. You have been here a few months. I have been here for years. I have told people who I am. I have credentials you don’t. If you are smart then you will figure out fact from fiction.
“I may have been here a short time, but I took an early retirement package so I have all of the time in the world to “moderate” your nonsense. “
Lol, it is coming out…an extremist liberal that just went into retirement. Watch out sloppy joe you might want to find something to do because people like you end up dying young from loss of purpose. I took the route of semi-retirement and farm.
“So be prepared to see lots of me. Anytime you post a lie or distortion, I will hit back like a ton of bricks.”
No problema dumbass I have been dealing with idiot extremist like you for years now. I feed on low lifes like you. More the merrier.
“Enjoy and try to get some sleep since you have a long day of farm responsibilities-LOL.”
Well we know you have no responsibilities except to fight with me…lol… that is a big responsibility sloppy joe.
boney joe on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 4:10 am
Just to show what an obvious liar you are.
“Got references” I think I mentioned it ONCE sloppy joe.”
1:39AM: “Yea, sloppy joe, and talking about gay sex as a youth does not count either.”
2:19AM: “We know you have had gay sex at an early age.”
These are your two most recent examples, with two earlier comments as well. Take the time and look them up yourself, lazy deadbeat. You lie so frequently that you can’t tell truth from fiction.
Liar and a creep. Public Enemy #1
p.s. gee, it’s about time for a farmer to rise in shine except that you have been writing word vomit since 1:00AM through at least 3:37AM. What a perpetual lying machine. Unbelievable.
Dooma on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 4:24 am
I used to miss fishing until I met Davy, the deep sea barracuda who bites at anything.
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah, China blah blah blah, sock puppet, blah blah, China.
Davy on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 4:37 am
“Just to show what an obvious liar you are.” “Got references” I think I mentioned it ONCE sloppy joe.”
You said four sloppy joe not two. So you are calling a person a liar if they say “I think” I think you are a liar and a fraud and that is not a lie.
“These are your two most recent examples, with two earlier comments as well. Take the time and look them up yourself, lazy deadbeat. You lie so frequently that you can’t tell truth from fiction.”
Who is being lazy? Maybe you only found two examples when you lied and said I did 4. WTF, who care anyway? This is an energy site sloppy joe say something related to energy. We really don’t care about your early sex life. I did manage to get out you took early retirement or maybe were pushed out for bad behavior or bad attitude IOW FIRED.
“Liar and a creep. Public Enemy #1”
TRANSLATION: I hate Davy because he moderates my extremism.
“p.s. gee, it’s about time for a farmer to rise in shine except that you have been writing word vomit since 1:00AM through at least 3:37AM. What a perpetual lying machine. Unbelievable.”
Sloppy joe, better than you who has been up all night. Obviously retirement is not agreeing with you.
Davy on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 4:39 am
“Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah, China blah blah blah, sock puppet, blah blah, China.”
How cute dumba, now say something. Even if it is anti-American puke it is better than when you try to be funny
Davy on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 5:06 am
This is for you dumba, oh, and billy. billy, can you explain why the “yuan poised to break below the key technical level of 7 to the dollar”
“Kyle Bass: Trump Has “Strongest Negotiating Position We’ve Ever Had” Against China”
https://tinyurl.com/ybnn6xm6
“So they can change a lot of things domestically, but their – the arbiter of the Chinese plan is their cross rate or their exchange rate with the rest of the world. China Inc.’s working capital account is now going South because they’re running what we believe to be a structural and more permanent deficit on the current account. And so, ie, their working capital, their dollar balance whether it’s dollars, euros, yen or pounds, it’s mostly dollars.” All of this instability risks toppling the mountain of bad debt upon which China’s economic growth in recent years has depended. Already, corporate defaults have surged in 2018 to the highest level on record.”
“And they’ve got, you know, $40 trillion worth of credit, somewhere between 40 and 50, no one knows, in a system with only a couple trillion dollars’ worth of equity. And so China is running the largest financial experiment the world has ever seen. And the economic tides have turned negative for them. If you notice the narrative amongst the United States, it’s actually a bipartisan narrative whereby you’re seeing both sides of the aisle pushing back on China taking advantage of the US.”
“And with the yuan poised to break below the key technical level of 7 to the dollar, Bass and Hayman might finally be able to make up for the losses on their yuan short, as a break below 7 would likely invite a speculative attack.”
Davy on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 5:15 am
Dumba, I found another one for you to read since you asked.
“China’s Oil Addiction Is Its Main Weakness As A Superpower”
https://tinyurl.com/yco4aefc
“China is now also finding itself in an increasingly vulnerable spot as it relies more on both foreign crude oil and natural gas imports to fund its growing economy. Gas thirst Just the numbers coming out of China should be cause for concern for Beijing energy planners. First, China’s gas consumption in 2017 soared to new record highs, reaching 235.2 billion cubic meters (bcm), marking an increase of 17 percent or 34 bcm from the previous year.”
“Oil addiction Even as China’s growing dependency on imported gas continues, both in the form of LNG and pipeline gas, its oil thirst is even more problematic. In 2017, China’s apparent oil demand rose 5.5 percent year on year to 11.77 million bpd. So far this year, in-spite of a bitter trade war with the U.S. and other economic headwinds, refinery throughput in China, the world’s largest oil importer, increased in September to a record 12.49 million bpd, government data showed earlier this month.”
“The correlation between foreign oil dependency and national security will be one of Beijing’s greatest and most complex issues as the next decade approaches. It will increasingly dictate the government’s foreign policy decisions as it juggles both its own hegemony goals in the Asia-Pacific, extending to Africa and beyond.”
boney joe on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 7:52 am
Dooma:
Well done indeed!!!!!
“I used to miss fishing until I met Davy, the deep sea barracuda who bites at anything.
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah, China blah blah blah, sock puppet, blah blah, China.”
boney joe on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 7:55 am
DavyTurd: “Got references” I think I mentioned it ONCE sloppy joe.”
Now to show what an obvious liar you are:
1:39AM: “Yea, sloppy joe, and talking about gay sex as a youth does not count either.”
2:19AM: “We know you have had gay sex at an early age.”
These are your two most recent examples, with two earlier comments as well. Take the time and look them up yourself, lazy deadbeat. You lie so frequently that you can’t tell truth from fiction.
Liar and a creep. Public Enemy #1
p.s. gee, it’s about time for a farmer to rise in shine except that you have been writing word vomit since 1:00AM through at least 3:37AM. What a perpetual lying machine. Unbelievable.
boney joe on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 8:25 am
“You have been here a few months. I have been here for years. I have told people who I am. I have credentials you don’t. If you are smart then you will figure out fact from fiction.”
How cute DavyTurd, now say something. Even if it is right-wing puke and lies it is better than when you try to be funny. You have credentials….. Like what? You won’t answer because you can’t remember what you said was true or flase.
JuanP on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 8:46 am
boney joe, when I find time I will put the fucking exceptionalist where he belongs and that place is in the shitter. Thanks for your help.
Anonymous on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 12:51 pm
Whatever happened to the killer bees of the 1980s? Shouldn’t it be death to walk outside south of the Mason Dixon line by now?
Come one doomers! You promised killer bees. Just another Chicken Little? Those Burmese Python’s seems stuck well south of Orlando. It’s been ten years since the doomer article on how they would spread came out.
Anonymouse1 on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 1:06 pm
We have something better than Killer Bees marmiCOtard, we have…… Killer Sock Puppets. Ie, you, retard.
Dooma on Wed, 24th Oct 2018 8:49 pm
Lucky I strapped myself into a game chair and used a gimbal belt and strong line.
I hooked me a big Davy fish this time. I count at least three bites.
Don’t have a go at me for not being funny. I am funny like a funeral.
Your 1000 word rants could put a meth addict to sleep. Hint: Nobody cares if you post so much all the time.
Theedrich on Thu, 25th Oct 2018 1:20 am
Thanks to Mak for introducing some actual science into the conversation, not just blather about what “science” is alleged to have said.
makati1 on Thu, 25th Oct 2018 2:34 am
Theedrich, you are welcome. The internet is, and even this web site could be, educational for all of us if it were not for the few who are delusional, uneducated, immature, and just plain brainwashed.
Then there are the paid propaganda sites and just plain pseudoscience like economists and financial advisors who can only look backward. All of which has to be filtered by perspective, intelligence, and maybe even common sense, although that last one is extremely rare today and not so common.
I will consider anyone’s viewpoint if it sounds logical when evaluated by my personal experience, education, and yes, commonsense. I may disagree, but I almost always learn something new in my debates. That is why I come back here to post and learn. When we stop learning, we die a little bit every day.