How to Stop Climate Change

28 Comments on "How to Stop Climate Change"

Davy on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 7:24 am 



You don’t stop climate change. You agree that we are toast and now is the time to prepare for a dark climate future. We agree on steps to adapt and mitigate. We start the power down that will lead to a rebalance of population and consumption and hopefully make climate change less dangerous. This is unlikely though because a power down will still be messy and dirty.

We recognize what remains of our vital resources that are quickly depleting and our residual complexity that allows the global system to function is what is feeding 7Bil people. We need to eliminate the wasteful lifestyles and attitudes that are allowed in the name of the insane growth meme or 7Bil people may wake up to a failed global food system.

This insanity is green and brown. The only group that embraces reality is the doomer camp. All cornucopian ideologies from all spectrums are lies against reality. It is only through crisis this insanity will end. It is only through crisis the journey to a painful world of less population and less consumption can begin. The sooner the better. Join the doomers and face reality. Quit being a green fake or a brown liar. You are all at the bar on the Titanic drinking gin fizzes as the table topple.

buddavis on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 9:25 am 



If all the climate warriors want a real climate problem, wait for global cooling.

We can adapt to the warming. Cooling would see billions starve.

ghung on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 9:52 am 



Gosh, Bud, humans have already adapted to ice ages but never have experienced the sort of global heating they’re likely to face. So I ask; what do you base your opinion on?

BTW: Billions will starve either way.

penury on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 10:11 am 



Davy, What you said. The problem is “there are too many humans”,

Fat Lady on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 11:51 am 



Good to see the people standing up to the fascist police state in the video.

BobInget on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 12:01 pm 



Pogo: “We met the enemy and It’s us”.

onlooker on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 1:18 pm 



Again great analysis Davy. If I may add us doomers by acknowledging reality are in fact the ones showcasing hope for the future. Only by admitting fully the realities can we have any chance of powering down to some sort of viable future for what remains of humanity.

Apneaman on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 1:56 pm 



bud, we were due for another ice age……..in 50,000 years, but that can’t happen now. Maybe not for millions of years. It’s that whole inertia thang.

These young anarchists should make for good scapegoats. Someone for TPTB to direct sheep anger towards. Home grown terrorists and all that. Lots of pissed off young males with little chance of steady employment/future and thus little opportunity to pass on their genes. Soon there will be little difference between the young testosterone fueled ISIS fanatical hopeless young men and western secular hopeless young men. That’s a lot of anger and energy that is looking for a target. You can see all the different subgroups forming up coalitions as the unraveling picks up speed and the rhetoric is becoming more violent. TPTB know it – it’s why they are preparing.

The overshoot loop is well under way.

OVERSHOOT LOOP:
Evolution Under The Maximum Power Principle

Here is a synopsis of the behavioral loop described above:

Step 1. Individuals and groups evolved a bias to maximize fitness by maximizing power, which requires over-reproduction and/or over-consumption of natural resources (overshoot), whenever systemic constraints allow it. Differential power generation and accumulation result in a hierarchical group structure.

Step 2. Energy is always limited, so overshoot eventually leads to decreasing power available to the group, with lower-ranking members suffering first.

Step 3. Diminishing power availability creates divisive subgroups within the original group. Low-rank members will form subgroups and coalitions to demand a greater share of power from higher-ranking individuals, who will resist by forming their own coalitions to maintain power.

Step 4. Violent social strife eventually occurs among subgroups who demand a greater share of the remaining power.

Step 5. The weakest subgroups (high or low rank) are either forced to disperse to a new territory, are killed, enslaved, or imprisoned.

Step 6. Go back to step 1.

http://www.dieoff.org/

Apneaman on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 2:15 pm 



Aon Catastrophe Report: Global Drought Losses to Surpass $8B as El Niño Intensifies

http://www.claimsjournal.com/news/international/2015/09/04/265571.htm

Apneaman on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 2:19 pm 



No worries. If it gets bad enough they can just head north…..to America.

1.6M Central American, Caribbean Campesinos Hit by Drought

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/1.6M-Central-American-Caribbean-Campesinos-Hit-by-Drought-20150821-0005.html

buddavis on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 2:34 pm 



I admire everyone’s certitude in predicting the climate. The next time your models are right will be the first, but go ahead and get your picks in now so we can review when they don’t come to pass.

Apneaman on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 3:08 pm 



buddavis, every prediction has come true and then some. Increase in : wildfires – yup, Heatwaves – yup, Water shortages – yup, Droughts – yup, Disappearing glaciers – yup, Shrinking snowpacks – yup, Species die offs – yup, Species migration – yup, Increased ocean acidification – yup, refugees – yup, record high temperatures – yup, floods – yup, Ice sheet melt down – yup, Etc, etc yup yup yup yup yup yup.

The only significant thing they got wrong was the timing – everything is happening faster than the models predicted. Don’t need any models now – try praying.

Apneaman on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 3:10 pm 



As 2015 smashes temperature records, it’s hotter than you think

http://arctic-news.blogspot.ca/2015/09/as-2015-smashes-temperature-records-its-hotter-than-you-think.html

buddavis on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 3:48 pm 



If you say so

Apneaman on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 4:36 pm 



That’s all you got bud? Thats right you’re almost out of wind. Just hanging on because it’s part of your group identity, but the real world circumstances are causing your numbers to dwindle. I have a theory that deniers will soon be denying they were ever deniers. See it’s based on the well documented fact that apes love to blame and punish when they are suffering. Wait till things get really bad and the bodies start piling up and more and more infrastructure, businesses and homes are destroyed and the resources are not there to bail them out. Since folks can’t get to the elite who do you think they will turn to to punish? Think they will look in the mirror and own their part or maybe lash out at the loud mouth deniers? Remember after 9/11 how anyone who even remotely looked middle eastern were getting a rough go? Even Indian people were getting threatened. Apes love to punish anyone they think is even remotely related to causing their pain. Look what happened to the everyday German people when WWII ended; it was a killing and raping fest. Look what happened to Nazi sympathizers. I’m not advocating anything – just pointing out historical comparisons and easily predictable ape behavior. I suspect there will be a “deniers denial” in the near future and on some chaotic night, before a rooster crows, deniers will be thrice denying their denial to an angry mob.

BBC: “The Savage Peace”

“The Savage Peace reveals the appalling violence meted out to the defeated, especially to those ethnic Germans who had lived peacefully for centuries in neighbouring countries. Using rare and unseen archive film, the documentary tells a harrowing story of vengeance against German civilians, which mirrored some of the worst cruelty of the Nazi occupiers during the years of war. The Savage Peace includes the unique testimony of eyewitnesses and victims, who recall the horrors with searing clarity, their memories undimmed 70 years after the events took place. This a story that has, until now, been untold amidst the justified celebration of an end to an unspeakable tyranny. But as the writer George Orwell said, the treatment of the defeated Germans was a terrible crime that has gone unpunished.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8kh_X-7ojY

Apneaman on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 5:47 pm 



Texas’ Record Floods Are the New Normal
A warming climate could mean that when it rains on the Great Plains, it will pour.

“Storm after storm drenched Texas in May—torrential downpours strong enough to cover the entire state in the equivalent of eight inches of water. The nonstop rain caused $45 million in damage in Houston alone, but it also brought short-lived relief from a record-setting five-year drought.

While scientists discourage linking specific weather events to climate, a study published Wednesday in the journal Geophysical Research Letters found that Texas and Oklahoma can expect more rainfall in El Niño years like this one, thanks to, yes, climate change.

The research, led by Utah State climate scientist Simon Wang, looked at the record flooding that hit the southern Great Plains region of Texas and Oklahoma in May and found that global warming played a role in intensifying those floods.”

https://www.takepart.com/article/2015/09/02/texas-flooding-climate-change-el-nino

Apneaman on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 5:49 pm 



Record deluge swamps Charleston area

http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150831/PC16/150839899

Apneaman on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 5:50 pm 



Dayton Recovers from Record Floods

http://whotv.com/2015/08/29/dayton-recovers-from-record-floods/

Apneaman on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 5:52 pm 



Vancouver Suffers Record Wind Storm and Flooding

http://www.mycentraloregon.com/2015/08/30/vancouver-suffers-record-wind-storm-and-flooding/

Apneaman on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 5:54 pm 



Washington state’s historic wildfire claims 176 homes

http://www.theweathernetwork.com/us/news/articles/us-weather/washington-states-historic-wildfire-claims-176-homes/56683/

Apneaman on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 6:09 pm 



US wildfires could be costliest on record

“Last week alone, a record $243 million was spent fighting more than 40 massive wildfires, said Jennifer Jones, spokeswoman for the US Forest Service, most of them in Washington state, which along with Alaska has borne the brunt of the disaster.

“Overall, the US Forest Service has spent $1.23 billion,” Jones told AFP, adding that the bill could get steeper as fires continue to blaze in some western US states.”

http://news.yahoo.com/us-wildfires-could-costliest-record-013754210.html

peakyeast on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 6:20 pm 



@apneaman: Please show me a link to where it is saying the next ice age is not due before 50000 years from now.

None of the previous warm periods lasted that long at these (before industrialization) elevated temperatures from the icy norm.

But I will conceede that the cold period probably has been postponed.

Makati1 on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 10:19 pm 



peaky, neither you, nor humanity, will be around to see it, so why even mention an ice age? The human race will be lucky if it survives until 2100. If it does, it will be as nomadic tribes wandering the small spaces left that support life. Not civilization as we know it.

Apneaman is right on and provides the references for his assertions. Can you?

Kenz300 on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 11:57 pm 



Every year the world adds 80 million more people to the planet….. that increases consumption of food, water and energy…… every year……..

Endless population growth is not sustainable….

Apneaman on Sun, 6th Sep 2015 12:28 am 



Kenz, thank Christ they are not all over privileged, high consuming westerners or we woulda been fucked decades ago.

Makati1 on Sun, 6th Sep 2015 8:04 am 



Yes, 80 million Filipino consumers would use up as much resources as ~2 million Americans. Wait! The American population increased ~2,000,000 in 2014 alone! What about the other 78 million?

“United States is the third most populous country in the world, with China leading at 1,361,512,535, and India coming in second place with 1,251,695,584 people.”

The population of the United States is estimated at 322,583,006 as of July 1 2014.
United States’ population is equivalent to 4.45% of the total world population.
The U.S. ranks number 3 in the list of countries by population.
The population density in the U.S.A. is 34 people per Km2.
83% of the population is urban (268,084,524 people in 2014).
The median age in the U.S.A. is 37.5 years.

http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/us-population/

And the beat goes on…

Makati1 on Sun, 6th Sep 2015 8:08 am 



BTW: for comparison…

The population of the Philippines is estimated at 100,096,496 as of July 1 2014.
Philippines’s population is equivalent to 1.38% of the total world population.
The Philippines ranks number 12 in the list of countries by population.
The population density in the Philippines is 334 people per Km2.
50% of the population is urban (49,643,960 people in 2014).
The median age in the Philippines is 23.2 years.

All that and it only consumes ~5% of the energy that the Us does, per capita.

Davy on Sun, 6th Sep 2015 8:21 am 



The Philippines is 100MIL people in the space of the state of Arizona with 6.7MIL. The Philippines is a net importer of food. Its forest and fisheries have been destroyed. Its urban areas are crowded and often nothing more than slums. A lucky minority live in idyllic villages but that is an illusion because when the overpopulated cities depopulate as locust in search of anything to eat these idyllic villages will be destroyed.

The US is a continent size country with a variety of population, environmental, and food producing potentials and realities. It will have “all of the above” kind of experience as a list of what will happen. Comparing the two countries which is often done here is showing a lack of intellectual abilities and harks towards an agenda. Agendas love selective facts and generalizations. Agendas always get bogged down in details and comparisons.