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Global Warming Will Sear Three of Four Major Grain Crops
Three of the four major grains on which the growing world population depends are vulnerable to global warming, says a new meta-analysis based on more than 70 studies.
Farmers have probably known that plants have optimal ranges in which they grow best since planting the first wheat some 23,000 years ago. Now science has proved the point.
The four crops on which humankind depends most are wheat, rice, maize, and soybeans. These are responsible for two-thirds of human caloric intake, says the team.
The starting point of the meta study was that the effect of climate change on these crop yields was not certain. Now they are. “Temperature increase reduces global yields of major crops in four independent estimates,” the scientists state in the title of their paper title. At least soybean turns out to be relatively resilient to warmer temperature, within limits.
One degree change, 7% drop in crop
The sheer multiplicity of parameters make climate change prediction extremely difficult, but, as the team points out, understanding temperature and other impacts of the change is critical to future food security. Especially as scientists now agree that keeping median global warming less than 2 degrees Celsius will be almost impossible.
The meta-analysis by Chuang Zhao, Senthold Asseng of the University of Florida and others encompassed studies based on multiple analytical methods, including modeling global and local crop yields in response to temperature changes; statistical regression models based on historical weather and yield data; and artificial field warming experiments.
All methods indicate that rising temperatures are likely to hurt the global yields of wheat, rice, and maize, and significantly so – though, the team qualifies, specific results were highly heterogeneous across crops and geographical areas, and there were also some positive impact estimates.
A local miller pouring maize into his grinding mill, in the Kibera slums of Nairobi, Kenya August 6, 2017. Maize is particularly vulnerable to rising temperatures.
Gringing maize, a staple food, in Kenya: The corn species turns out to be highly vulnerable to rising temperatures.Thomas Mukoya, Reuters
Each 1-degree Celsius increase in global mean temperature is projected to reduce average global yields of wheat by 6%, rice by 3.2%, and maize by 7.4%, the team estimates, assuming no corrective methods, such as farming adaptations or genetic crop modifications to make them more resilient.
Soybean yields were hardier. How temperatures affected soy yields varied widely across crops and geographical areas, the team said: in some places, yields increased.
Their conclusion: the world needs to develop crop- and region-specific adaptation strategies to ensure food security for an increasing world population.
Rice is produced almost entirely in Asia, but corn for instance, a staple in the West, is grown around the world – which should be an advantage, for humankind. But part of the problem is that multiple areas on which the world depends are increasingly likely to get hit at the same time.
For instance, drought in the U.S. and China at the same time, which is now entirely feasible, could decimate the global corn supply: “Our simulations indicate that that type of scenario is possible in the current climate,” researcher Chris Kent told Bloomberg. Just last month, China admitted that its north is suffering the worst drought in its history and that crops are suffering. Beijing, at least, is not in climate change denial.
55 Comments on "Global Warming Will Sear Three of Four Major Grain Crops"
Makati1 on Wed, 16th Aug 2017 6:59 am
2-3C increase will be the death of humans anyway. Doesn’t matter if a few crops decrease in numbers a few percent. Climate change is not evenly spread over the planet, as the U$ is finding out.
And, yes, China does not have its scientific head up its ass like America.
Davy on Wed, 16th Aug 2017 7:07 am
The issues with dropping food productivity growth is really much worse. Yea did you see that “dropping” or “stalling” growth? Sounds like we are approaching limits. Everywhere we look we are seeing this “stalling” or undulating plateau. However you want to define it we are not making the rapid advances we once were. With food production this is very dangerous because we have significant population growth baked into our civilization’s trajectory.
The situation with Ag is very bad. I am a farmer so I have personal experience with farming. I am permaculturalist now but in 2000 I had a 1000 acres corn and soy farm. What I am seeing now is climate issues increasing. This is more than temperature it is about altered zones of growth. It is about invasives and disrupted growing strategies. We are talking water cycle issues. All this is occurring in a late term civilization faced with multiple other issues.
A primary issues is economics. Modern Ag is industrial and industrial means capital is needed. Our late term civilization is in debt dysfunction so an economic crisis is always possible. A bad one is not out of the question. If a bad economic crisis hit and Ag production dropped 10-20% food insecurity could cascade into contagions of state failure. The modern food story is fossil fuel based monocultures shipped over long distances. Is there anything resilient about that in a crisis?
Modern Ag is about energy and fossil fuels are not healthy by any stretch of the word. Cornucopians will tell you peak oil is dead but I don’t see them saying peak oil dynamics is dead. Tell me Venezuela and Nigeria will be healthy productive states. Tell me conventional oil is not depleting. Tell me dangerous debt is not threatening long term oil production. Ag is connected directly with fossil fuels and fossil fuels are not healthy. The stupid fake green techno optimist try to show us electric trucks and tractors and I just laugh. These fruit cakes never raised a crop in their life. Renewables hardest story will be Ag and long distance trucking and field work. Modern Ag is all about long distance trucking and big field equipment. The fossil fuel doom of the peak oil movement was overblown but “peak oil is dead”, please get real. A renewable revolution ahead…not in modern Ag.
Water is an ever increasing issues from a hydrologic cycle disturbed by climate change. Too much water and too much heat at the wrong time is very bad. Let me rephrase that disastrous. Drought is catastrophic especially when irrigated water is now depleting so fast as to be a whole other issues to food productivity. Our food system is sitting precariously on a civilization mired in multiple issues of energy, economics, and planetary destruction. Yet, our cornucopians dismiss food as a problem. We have too much food and so forth. Look at all the fat people. Yea, look deeper and you see how precariously our food system sits on a teetering foundation that is little more than a late term Ponzi arrangement we call globalism. When you add climate change to an already stressed food system within a story of overpopulation the situation does not look good.
Shortend on Wed, 16th Aug 2017 8:16 am
And we’re worried about the end of oil age.
Fragmented, focused, specialized and prejudice
Mindset modern “smart” people view themselves.
Best represented here among the peanut gallery members right here!
Endless back and forth about silly issues.
Those degrees are already built in the “pipeline” and will manifest itself as it works it way through the vast climatic system.
The lag effect will have the last say and comment.
As one of the members likes to end it by CHEERS!
paultard on Wed, 16th Aug 2017 8:21 am
shortend, we have an opportunity to end
poverty and opression for women everywhere. this is easily accomplished if we promote women to fight for it. it means to kill tard extremist preachers.
killing is very easy. it’s only difficult because tard extremist preachers want women to believe that.
paultard on Wed, 16th Aug 2017 8:26 am
what is your goal of promoting stability, wealth, long term surival if it’s not about caring for our women? in a tangible way?
mother teresa tried but she was blinded by her idealogy so she ended up promoting the expansion of the church.
do you know that by promoting the welfare of others we promote our own welfare?
isn’t that what you’re doing? promoting welfare of society?
paultard on Wed, 16th Aug 2017 8:27 am
Germany is doing jsut fine because they learned from their past mistakes. mistakess taht could be easily explaiend by the overflowing of alcohol in tehir society.
we want other nordic countries to take up the torch.
we want siberia
paultard on Wed, 16th Aug 2017 8:32 am
thanks for food science and cuisine scientists we are able to eat so many things in modern life. it’s not only about growing food anymore.
modern hunger has always been about war.
Cloggie on Wed, 16th Aug 2017 8:43 am
we want siberia
You will end up in the Gulag alright, probably as a guard.
Cloggie on Wed, 16th Aug 2017 8:46 am
And, yes, China does not have its scientific head up its ass like America.
But nevertheless produces more CO2 than Europe and America combined.
Duncan Idaho on Wed, 16th Aug 2017 8:55 am
Liberal Lies!
It was cold inside the beer cooler at the Monster Truck Rally.
onlooker on Wed, 16th Aug 2017 9:12 am
Yes, the food and water situation dramatizes the tight rope humanity is walking now. Just a couple of degrees rise and some crops around the world will be severely affected. Obviously potable water is key in so much as the majority of the potable water is for agriculture. Already farming around the world is being adversely affected by unpredictable weather. Part of the climate chaos that climate change is bringing.
_____________________ on Wed, 16th Aug 2017 10:23 am
Hey fucktard. Christians have the lowest birthrate. Muslims on the other hand are even trying hard to inseminate donkeys and goats and cucks like you.
Hubert on Wed, 16th Aug 2017 10:27 am
This site is too depressing. I’ll have to move on. If no government is willing to deal with this problem, there isn’t much we can do. We are already seeing signs of collapse but it’ll be a long drawn out process.
I wish you guys well.
Later…
joe on Wed, 16th Aug 2017 10:35 am
Heck, they even took the wallnut out of the wallnut whip. Its a sad day for us all.
onlooker on Wed, 16th Aug 2017 10:36 am
Thanks Hubert for your contributions. You are damn right this state of affairs of our species is depressing. Just look at Virginia in the US. Fighting like fools while the whole ship is sinking. Yes Mak, the US is going down the drain. Hard to be happy about being human presently
deadlykillerbeaz on Wed, 16th Aug 2017 10:40 am
The rainfall is back to normal, drought conditions are waning. It rained a good 3.5 inches lately.
The crops are fine, the corn is going to yield something, probably a 100 bushels to the acre. If it is not good, it will be cut for silage, not all is lost. The soybeans are fine, the plants will mature and there will be a yield of probably 30 bushels.
The barley is looking good, the wheat is going to be a lower yield, but not a total loss. Some has been cut for hay, it is not a 100 percent loss. Farmers buy crop insurance and will be reimbursed for production costs.
Don’t buy into the sob stories from the main stream lies, they’re all lies.
Lower yields mean increased prices, it will be a wash.
Potatoes are irrigated, buyers want the potatoes, they will not sign contracts if the potato crops are not irrigated.
Plenty of wheat in storage at the local grain elevators.
Farmers may lose a few shekels, but are prepared to handle losses.
Plenty of cattle out there, more land was hayed, the hay crop is always good, alfalpha has roots that go to a depth of 16 feet, the alfalpha always will grow whether the rainfall is short or not.
Ranchers in areas where the moisture is short sold off some of their herds, but they can buy back in at a later date.
They’re not as dumb as I look.
You are being fed a bunch of bunkum and bosh, brainwashing with propaganda works.
Beer drinking never stops, barley crops always pay, either for feed or malting, a win win.
bobinget on Wed, 16th Aug 2017 10:48 am
I tend to look for solutions rather then wallow around in grief.
I’m also a commercial grower. (berries)
We here in the PNW are experiencing the longest lasting summer heatwave/drought in memory.
Luck has it we also experienced a much better then average wet spring. (next)
In the 1930’s farmers dug with primitive equipment
a series of irrigation canals leading from mountain lakes to local holding ponds. Early settlers had already built the first water powered hydro electric generation plants. Our 30’s farmers hooked into all that falling water and proceeded to grow pears, apples and alfalfa. (next)
The oldest storage battery has to be pumping water uphill using excess wind or hydro power
then, releasing that water during dry spells or night time. (next)
Long story short, we need to learn how to better extract potable water from ocean, cheaply.
We need to stop wasting water.
We need to STOP water privatization at all cost.
We need to stop trying to grow water intensive plants in arid zones.
We need to spend billions on water pipelines to replenish aquifers. (ground water storage)
Healthcare, irrigation and domestic water should not be for profit.
Humans have a choice. Pay more attention to changing climate, do something about water, or face extinction. (more)
Obviously, certain parts of the nation, world, will
attempt to solve water shortages. A few will be blessed with more rain then before.
Others will continue on as if nothing were happening. “Climate Change is a Chinese Hoax”.
IOW’s an Entire human race won’t die off as some here love to predict. My grandson will still be able to farm here thanks to genuine conservatives that came here in the 19th century, saw this part of the state was arid but did something.
Sissyfuss on Wed, 16th Aug 2017 11:26 am
Pipe dream on, Bobonthenet. Who is going to spend millions for pipelines to replenish aquifers? If humans were that rational they would have stopped their excess breeding and consuming long ago like Chief Seattle. The cancer is fully in charge now and all the suggested solutions are just large tokes off the hopium bong. Famine and survival are making a comeback in a big way sooner than a Trump tweet.
jawagord on Wed, 16th Aug 2017 11:34 am
Junk statistics to support junk science. World corn production has been increasing for decades, during the “hottest” decades of the past 100+ years. Ditto for other staple grains. Why is this? Better crop varieties, CO2 fertilization effect, better crop management, longer growing seasons, irrigation, fertilizers, mechanization etc. The experts in global warming tell us most of the warming effect will be in the higher latitudes north of 60 degrees, and will be mostly at night and most significant during the winter, not exactly the current crop growing areas of the world. More likely GW will result in more crop production than less.
https://i2.wp.com/ageconomists.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Figure-2.-Yield-and-Area-World.jpg
Apneaman on Wed, 16th Aug 2017 12:08 pm
jawagord, junk stats? I must have missed them. I did not see any real statistics in that piece. Just some very vague predictions.
“More likely GW will result in more crop production than less.”
Why?
Explain, in your own words – the biology and chemistry behind that? I dare you.
Apneaman on Wed, 16th Aug 2017 12:11 pm
Russian scientists deny climate model of IPCC
Massive emissions of methane in the Arctic become a significant source of greenhouse gases, a study reveals
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2017-08/tpu-rsd081517.php
CH4 is a bridge fuel and it looks like y’all are going to get more than you could ever dream of. Won’t even need to extract it. It’ll come to you. The bridge fuel to hell.
Apneaman on Wed, 16th Aug 2017 12:13 pm
Hurray for the record breaking Cancer
“With an estimated 845,000 hectares of B.C. forests burned since April 1, the BC Wildfire Service says it’s “safe to say we’re on track for this to be the worst fire season on record.”
https://www.castanet.net/news/BC/204254/Worst-fire-year-ever
Davy on Wed, 16th Aug 2017 12:18 pm
Jaw, corn production numbers have been growing but at a declining rate. There are multiple issues for this growth but most are hitting diminishing returns. IOW, this can’t keep growing and every year there is less new quality crop land. It is the combination of all of the above that point to stagnation and eventual decline
peakyeast on Wed, 16th Aug 2017 12:24 pm
I think there are so many positive indicators in the world…
We are so close to solving our overpopulation problems with tried and true methods.. Right now there is a new arms race – and its going to be the best weapons ever produced.
Now – If the military could just take their work seriously – and not spend such a disproportionate amount of resources and money on killing.
In the Iraq+Afghanistan war it cost about 100.000$ to kill a single person.. What a load of shit. They have to get it down to 1$ or less – and they have to get started ASAP.
Apneaman on Wed, 16th Aug 2017 12:27 pm
Record Heat in 2016 Broke Lake Temperature Records Too
http://www.circleofblue.org/2017/water-quality/record-heat-2016-broke-lake-temperature-records/
Apneaman on Wed, 16th Aug 2017 12:33 pm
Swelling CO2 Cuts Nutrition in Food
Higher concentrations of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere equals less vital nutrients in crops like rice and soybeans
“Wheat, rice, barley and certain legumes like soybeans are classified as C3 plants, which corresponds to their ability as plants to convert carbon dioxide into energy. These C3 grasses and legumes have been shown to lose up to 15 percent of zinc and iron, the top two minerals in the human body, in experiments that artificially enhanced the concentration of carbon dioxide. These elements are crucial for a healthy immune system, cell development, hemoglobin production and brain function.
“Global iron and zinc deficiencies are an enormous public health problem,” said Samuel Myers, lead author of the paper and a physician and research scientist at the Harvard School of Public Health. A lack of sufficient zinc and iron in the diet has led to the loss of about 63 million life years annually, Myers said.
The researchers placed C3 crops, as well as C4 crops like corn and sorghum, into open-top chambers in free-air CO2 enrichment (FACE) experiments in the United States, Australia and Japan. The FACE chambers were filled with CO2-laden air with concentrations of up to 584 parts per million. The current concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere is around 400 ppm.
Carbon dioxide is known to promote plant growth, but its effects on other aspects of crops are poorly understood. In many cases, the benefits of increased CO2 in the atmosphere will be offset by heat stress, drought and extreme weather tied to climate change. A recent paper in Environmental Research Lettersfound that hotter-than-normal weather during a corn crop’s critical flowering period could wipe out any benefits tied to CO2 (ClimateWire, March 20).
Although C4 crops were less affected than C3 crops, the nutritional values of the latter were still affected. C3 crop yields tend to increase more with CO2 concentration, as they are less efficient in using carbon dioxide than C4 plants and benefit more from the boost. But the increase in production is not likely linked to a lower relative amount of nutrients, because the responses from different varieties were so different.”
Rising CO2 is reducing nutritional value of food, impacting ecosystems
Heightened atmospheric CO2 levels are cutting the proportions of protein and other vital nutrients in plants, impacting crops, people, pollinators and ecosystems.
https://news.mongabay.com/2016/06/rising-co2-is-reducing-nutritional-value-of-food-impacting-ecosystems/
Them when it gets really bad/too hot the protein will denature and make the plant all but useless.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/swelling-co2-cuts-nutrition-in-food/
Hello on Wed, 16th Aug 2017 12:38 pm
So is it it true what they are saying?
CO2 helps plant growth. Meaning there will be abundance of food, no shortage in sight whatsoever. And with PO being irelevant meanswhile. Is there no doom I can look forward to anymore?
Antius on Wed, 16th Aug 2017 12:40 pm
“A lack of sufficient zinc and iron in the diet has led to the loss of about 63 million life years annually, Myers said.”
In other words, about 2 million deaths per year. That’s a lot.
jawagord on Wed, 16th Aug 2017 1:58 pm
Apnea, Metadata is a statistical analysis of other data, maybe I should have stated junk Metadata?
“Metadata is data that describes other data. Meta is a prefix that in most information technology usages means “an underlying definition or description.” Metadata summarizes basic information about data, which can make finding and working with particular instances of data easier.”
Longer growing seasons in Canada and Russia and warmer night time temperatures will certainly increase food production in both quantity and variety. Only 7% of Canada’s land area is suitable for agriculture and only 1% is capable of multiple crops in a year. So no stretch to see GW at higher latitudes of the two largest countries on earth can extend the growing season and allow for increased food production.
Apneaman on Wed, 16th Aug 2017 2:24 pm
jawagord, they did not include most of the so called date, just final numbers and it’s all a model projection. Projections are statistical guesses of sorts. Hasn’t happened yet. I don’t put too much stock in most models and especially not the dates. Most climate models from the last 20 years until very recently have greatly underestimated the timing. In many case off by 50-100 years. Faster than previously expected is the order of the day. That means many of those who benefited will be paying the price. The price is being paid every damn day now it’s just not evenly distributed. Just read my posts. Most of them are AGW consequences – not models, not Al Gore, not American climate politics and no advocacy from me. You will never find a post from me advocating what choices the humans should or should not make for their living arrangements. Real world, real time daily disasters and record breaking weather events. Like most deniers it’s hard for you to see that being programmed and all from the fossil fueled think tanks, to assume every human who is not a climate denier is an American libtard envirotard. Go through 3 years of my posts here or the entire internet and you will not find me advocating for anything. It’s pointless to advocate for a cancer to be anything other than a cancer. I’m all about the consequence with a few peanut gallery comments thrown in for good measure.
BTW. I live in Canada and have worked up north. Other than a few vegetable gardens there will be no industrial farming up there or in Siberia ever.
MASTERMIND on Wed, 16th Aug 2017 3:00 pm
The 1973 so-called “oil embargo” which reduced oil supply to the USA by somewhere around 3% or 4%. It slammed the US economy, caused the largest stock market crash since the great depression, doubled gasoline prices, severely damaged US industry and caused a 55 MPH national speed limit which remained in effect for ten years. The government also put restrictions on how much gasoline you could purchase. There were fist fights and even a couple murders between the public at gas stations. Just wait until we experience a 10% or 20% drop in oil supplies. In a few years or sooner we certainly will. When it hits the economic and social damage will be catastrophic. The end of Western Civilization, from China to Europe, to the US, will not occur when oil runs out. The economic and social chaos will occur when supplies are merely reduced sufficiently.
Boat on Wed, 16th Aug 2017 6:16 pm
deadlykillerbeaz on Wed, 16th Aug 2017 10:40 am
“Don’t buy into the sob stories from the main stream lies, they’re all lies”
I was watching Bloomberg yesterday and they were reporting bumper crops and crashing prices for commodities across the board. Who is lying.
Maybe you need to look at the broad spectrum of opinions and realize that they are just that, opinions.
Davy on Wed, 16th Aug 2017 6:43 pm
Boat, a commodity glut does not mean a healthy commodity sector, oil is case in point. Food productivity is not keeping pace with population growth despite commodity gluts. Food productivity is stalling and it is exposed to multiple risk factors few acknowledge. Every aspect of the food system is potentially at catastrophic risk. At a minimum food insecurity is an increasing possibility. Economic dislocation will stall food productivity. Energy issues are lurking. Water and soil issues are a constant drain on productivity. Climate dangers from extremes of the hydrologic cycle and temperature are increasing. Systematic issues related to all the above mean mountains of grain in one place and starvation in another is possible. When we talk like mountains of corn are good without clarifications then we are again off track.
Makati1 on Wed, 16th Aug 2017 6:51 pm
Ap, I would not say that there will never be industrial farming in Siberia. Perhaps those Russians will be among the last humans to survive?
“The climate of most of Siberia is continental, which means there are large temperature differences between summer and winter. The Siberian winter is indeed long and cold, yet summers are fairly warm—warm enough to allow for the cultivation of watermelons in western and southern Siberia. Although there is relatively little precipitation in eastern Siberia, and the winter frost penetrates quite deep, the climate becomes milder and warmer towards the west and south.”
http://www.encyclopedia.com/places/commonwealth-independent-states-and-baltic-nations/cis-and-baltic-political-geography-76
” Crops as beets, carrots and herbs (dill, parsley and cilantro) are direct-seeded in late May. Tomatoes are started indoors in early February and are transplanted into a greenhouse in May. Garlic, unlike in other areas of Russia, is seeded in the spring and harvested in the fall, since it cannot survive the long Siberian winter without insulation from snow pack.”
http://www.mofga.org/Publications/MaineOrganicFarmerGardener/Fall2004/Siberia/tabid/1298/Default.aspx
I guess it will just depend on how much those thousands of square miles of farmland will be profitable/needed in the future.
Apneaman on Wed, 16th Aug 2017 7:20 pm
Mak, the humans are largely fueled by grains and in some instances potatoes. The Incas built a very impressive empire with potato’s and the Roman army was fueled by North African wheat. All the other stuff is great – bonus, but the grains are the core. Personally I eat tons of dead animals and tons of green veggies and eggs and cheese and a whole carton of ice cream and a pizza about once a month.
Ever notice how all these denier tards have a very short and selective memory?
A couple of weeks ago……
Drought slashes U.S. spring wheat yield prospects: tour
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-wheat-tour-idUSKBN1AC2XX
2 days ago
Drought’s Toll Likely Billions of Dollars for North Dakota Economy
http://www.agnews890.com/2017/08/14/droughts-toll-likely-billions-of-dollars-for-north-dakota-economy/
Oh hell ya! Dat glubell warming is good fer da plants N stuff.
A couple of weeks ago, I also said it will take multiple years with reduced yields to make the call on the beginning of the end for Big agriculture. Heat waves have been harsh on agriculture in many locals, like Europe, this year. The damages are still being tallied. Just a matter of time.
Apneaman on Wed, 16th Aug 2017 7:31 pm
More than 800 flood claims filed so far in New Orleans
“Several New Orleans neighborhoods were inundated the afternoon of Aug. 5 when as much as nine and a half inches of rain fell in some neighborhoods within a couple of hours.”
http://wgno.com/2017/08/15/more-than-800-flood-claims-filed-so-far-in-new-orleans/
9 1/2 inches in a couple of hours – Ka BOOM! goes another AGW jacked Rain Bomb.
Tell yourself it’s not happening.
Apneaman on Wed, 16th Aug 2017 7:39 pm
No El Nino, But July of 2017 was the Hottest on Record. So What the Hell is Going on?
https://robertscribbler.com/2017/08/16/no-el-nino-but-july-of-2017-was-the-hottest-on-record-so-what-the-hell-is-going-on/
Apneaman on Wed, 16th Aug 2017 7:39 pm
Intensifying Equatorial Rains: 3.3 Million Afflicted by Flooding in India and Bangladesh as Hundreds Lose Lives to Landslides from Sierra Leone to Nepal
https://robertscribbler.com/2017/08/16/3-3-million-afflicted-by-flooding-in-india-and-bangladesh-as-hundreds-lose-lives-to-landslides-from-sierra-leone-to-nepal/
Boat on Wed, 16th Aug 2017 9:13 pm
Davy,
There is a lot of food that goes into fuel. That is a choice made by many countries. Just like it is a choice to have to many children. Let’s just say refusal to work for the common good is a standard choice.
GregT on Wed, 16th Aug 2017 11:00 pm
“Let’s just say refusal to work for the common good is a standard choice.”
Working your entire life of the benefit of the 1% isn’t exactly the common good Boat. The common good would be things like welfare, social security, and healthcare. I would tend to agree with you though, a socialist type system would be a better choice.
GregT on Wed, 16th Aug 2017 11:42 pm
Boat,
There’s a lot more fuel that goes into food, than there is food that goes into fuel. That’s the main reason why there are so many people on this planet. Take the fuel away, and the population will rapidly return to the Earth’s natural carrying capacity. At least 6 out of every 7 people would die, world wide.
GregT on Thu, 17th Aug 2017 12:01 am
And Boat,
If you aren’t getting your food from a local producer, who practices some form of permaculture, you would be one of those 6 dead people.
Boat on Thu, 17th Aug 2017 1:07 am
greggiet,
You are always confused. You blame humans for planet destruction but….The common good would be things like welfare, social security, and healthcare.
These programs create population overshoot.
You know little about me. I garden for one reason. I get a kick out of it. That and the thank you I get when I give it away.
ps, plenty of fuel. How many bpd did OPEC cut just to get $50 oil? Your as lost as short and immerse yourself wild ideology.
GregT on Thu, 17th Aug 2017 1:20 am
Boat,
Are you by any chance on drugs?
As per usual, you are making absolutely zero sense.
Anonymouse on Thu, 17th Aug 2017 1:22 am
Boatytard does not ‘garden’, nor, if he did, would he give anything he grew away. Giving food away is *Communism*, and we all know where that leads. It leads to population overshoot, black welfare queens and socialized healthcare, cNN, faux news and the 700 club all told boatytard Communism was bad for boatytard, bad for amerika. And boatyyard always does, and believes whatever the little talking heads on ToobVee tell him to.
Right moron?
Apneaman on Thu, 17th Aug 2017 10:14 am
jawagord, clog/denier tards. Here’s yet another doomy AGW Jacked record for y’all to deny and downplay and handwave.
B.C. surpasses worst wildfire season on record — and threat is far from over
“Wildfire Service information officer Kevin Skrepnek says an estimated 894,941 hectares of land has been charred in B.C. since April 1.
That eclipses the mark set in 1958, when 855,000 hectares burned.”
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/b-c-surpasses-worst-wildfire-season-on-record-and-threat-is-far-from-over-1.4249435
Hey clog do you know how much area that is? That’s like all of the Neatherlands burning to the fucking ground, taking a quick smoke break, then burning to the fucking ground all over again….. and then some. And we ain’t done yet. Another month at least. I know it don’t mean shit to someone like you sitting in your little welfare state technological bubble all safeNwarm, but the repercussions will be felt in ways your little denier mind cannot comprehend.
Apneaman on Thu, 17th Aug 2017 11:34 am
Any US East coasters here?
East Coast’s rapidly rising seas explained
http://news.ufl.edu/articles/2017/08/east-coasts-rapidly-rising-seas-explained.php
Spatial and temporal variability of sea level rise hot spots over the eastern United States
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2017GL073926/abstract
onlooker on Thu, 17th Aug 2017 11:35 am
“In my experience and that of the pilots here, we’ve never seen anything like this”
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/world/336767/canada-wildfires-apocalyptic-kiwi-pilot
onlooker on Thu, 17th Aug 2017 11:41 am
Yes AP, I am in NY
NY is going under like most coastal cities
Well at least the crime problem will be solved
I think people will be reluctant to give up on NY until it is physically inundated
Apneaman on Thu, 17th Aug 2017 1:15 pm
onlooker, I was thinking of folks with property right on the water. While the sheeple still have their heads up their asses it’s not too late to be a sneaky bastard and sell one of them your house;)
Caveat emptor