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Earth Overshoot Day Offers Sustainability Lessons

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August 1 will mark Earth Overshoot Day, the day that worldwide humanity will, in only seven months, have taken more resources from the Earth than can be replenished within a single year. During a calendar year, the globe’s 7.6 billion residents consume through overfishing and overharvesting forests more than Earth can replace and emit more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere than ecosystems can absorb, about 1.7 Earth equivalents as measured in natural resources.

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With 328 million people, the United States ranks third behind China and its 1.4 billion people and India with 1.2 billion in total population. Within seven years, India’s inhabitants will exceed China’s. Nigeria, currently the world’s seventh largest country, is growing the most rapidly and is expected to surpass the U.S. by 2050. The United Nations Department of Economic and Social Affairs projects that the unsustainable global population will reach, unless immediate behavioral changes to slow the current growth pattern occur, 9.8 billion in 2050, and 11.2 billion in 2100.

But the challenges that Overshoot Day highlights are daunting. The group of 47 least developed countries (LDCs) has a high fertility level, 4.3 births per woman in the 2010 to 2015 period. As a result, the populations of those 47 countries have grown rapidly, 2.4 percent. Although some slowing is anticipated over the coming decades, the combined population of the LDCs, roughly one billion in 2017, is projected to increase by 33 percent between 2017 and 2030, and to reach 1.9 billion persons in 2050. Africa will also experience high population growth rates. Between 2017 and 2050, 26 African countries are expected to double their populations.

Most Americans will be surprised to learn that the U.S. is on the list of nine countries that will generate half the world’s population growth between today and 2050. The other eight include India, Nigeria, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Pakistan, Ethiopia, the United Republic of Tanzania, Uganda and Indonesia.

But as the Earth Overshoot Day website notes, “The past does not necessarily determine our future.” With cautionary optimism, the site offers attainable solutions to reverse the devastating course the world has taken.

Among the suggestions are to reduce carbon footprint and to build and inhabit compact cities that offer energy-efficient buildings, integrated zoning and effective public transportation systems. Also suggested is to more efficiently produce food with an objective to waste less of it – some plant-based foods use fewer natural resources in the development process than animal-based. Because personal transportation makes up 14 percent of humanity’s carbon footprint, fewer cars on the road is an essential first step to lowering the human impact.

These lifestyle changes require a firm commitment to having smaller families, or no families. Reducing family size by an average of one half child – or one child per every two families – would mean one billion fewer world residents in 2050 than the UN’s predicted 9.7 billion, and four billion fewer than the anticipated 11.2 billion expected when the next century dawns. Many children born in 2018 will have a high probability of living until 2100, and should have the opportunity to inhabit a less densely populated planet.

The U.S. can lead in the effort toward worldwide sustainability. But, disappointingly Congress has for decades neglected its responsibility to support meaningful advances in ecological preservation. To repeat, however, “The past does not necessarily determine our future.” But now is the hour for dramatic lifestyle changes, some perhaps personal.

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66 Comments on "Earth Overshoot Day Offers Sustainability Lessons"

  1. Jef on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 8:54 am 

    Thin the herd or Mother Nature will thin it for us.

  2. Davy on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 8:59 am 

    Some of the best carbon lowering suggestions point to localism. We should promote localism and discourage globalism. How much that can be done is a big question mainly because the systematic nature of behavioral change and economic change. How much can we change without making the situation worse? A sinking ship is better than a sunk ship. Can the travel and leisure industry be reduced and the resulting economic activity hit be offset elsewhere? Can consumerism be reduced and still maintain vital economic activity. The reason we need to maintain economic activity is the fact that attempting to transform our energy systems with renewables, implement efficiency, and practice conservation requires economic activity. A significant amount of consumerism is waste in regards to what is needed to promote survival. Long term survival revolves around sustainability and resilience so all kinds of waste are discouraging sustainable and resilience. The most important aspect of all of this is education. People need to understand the costs associated with large families and affluent consumption. Energy demand management needs to be taught young both within the family and at schools. If we are going to go into a future of using intermittent energy sources like solar and wind more efficiently then we need to teach the need for adapted behaviors. The basics of energy waste need to be explained. Going to sleep to a large TV remaining on is bad behavior as an example. How many of our kids do this, how many adults!

    We need to eat different. We need to eat locally first. We need to try to be seasonal with our food choices. Efforts could be made to control our food choices because individual discretionary food choices will likely never result in increased efforts at seasonality and localism. Production agriculture and processed foods win most of the time. Animal based food is not bad as so many environmentalist rail about. A significant amount of land use has to be grazing because it will not support row cropping, vegetable, or fruit production. We can and should reduce grain fed to animals. Poultry and pork will be difficult to reduce but cattle can be. Empty calories that require so much energy should be discouraged. Taking a walk in a US supermarket along with the 2 legged whales is a nightmare. Huge aisles of junk food that take up a disproportionate amount of space and use insane amounts of energy is disheartening. We know these things are bad for us on every level except the corporate bottom line. Food waste will be difficult to manage until food becomes more scares and expensive. We should at least teach the importance of sustainability of our food chain in the home and school. I have close to zero food waste. My dogs or chickens eat what I don’t. I need to improve on the junk food. Chips and processed sweets are hard to resist but really are not needed in our diets. Sweet drinks even less. The other activity should be growing our own food. Not everyone can do this but anyone who can should. There was a time when everyone who could did grow food. We are heading back in that direction.

    If you want to be real green than the starting point is the auto. Drive less or not at all. The car is killing us. The transportation culture has allowed what we have today the good and the bad but it is the bad that can never be repaired. We opened a door into overshoot with the transportation culture. Not all of us can leave the car culture but all of us can reduce or eliminate the discretionary driving that is not important or vital. The kind of cars we use or if we use public transport is important decisions. Bikes and walking are no-brainers for all around health.

    We can be sure good carbon foot print strategies will not come from public policy even in those places that make an effort. The problem is expectations. If we expect more material affluence with lower carbon footprint strategies then we are just playing mind games. If we want more spiritual affluence and accept less material affluence then this might work. Even if this more stoic affluence is embraced it is still not enough because of the damage done and the size of our population. It will help instead of hurt. This spiritual affluence over material affluence is not the goal of policy today. The goal is more affluence with less carbon and this represents a cake and eat is strategy.

    The real effort at stoic affluence has to be at the individual, family, and smaller community level. Individuals and groups who are honest about the science and understand the outcome of current trends can make changes. These changes actually are a primer for what is coming. These changes will help these individuals and groups prepare for a world of less affluence and more problems. Attitudes at the individual level are the key since the public level is hopeless. There is entirely too many competing ideas for what is the right direction for our society. Too many societies in competition and only agreeing to cooperate if we moderate much needed changes. The ship is sinking because of this predicament of a global world in overshoot cooperating and competing. The ship is not sunk yet so individuals and small groups can adapt accordingly. We can talk all day long about what should be done so start doing something and start changing attitudes. Forget public policy it will not change much. The real change is with you and your friends and family.

  3. print baby print on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 10:02 am 

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/6ee97003-5b14-3bc6-b2bd-ef8d087db37d/ss_iran-rejects-trump%27s-offer-to.html
    OOOPPPPaaaa

  4. print baby print on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 10:23 am 

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/885ee0b7-8c47-31c3-878d-ed3ffc70ad47/ss_russia%27s-endgame-in-syria%3A.html
    What did I tell You about Russian politican this easily could be true- unfortunately I was right

  5. GetAVasectomyAndLetTheHumanSpecieDie on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 2:56 pm 

    It seems there are big flaws in human being.
    The amount of stupid, liar, psychopath and narcissist people that hold position of power like prime minister,CEO is more proof to my mind that the human specie is due to failure eventually.

    H.L Mencken has noted that same thing. Only moron, idiot, narcissist and psychopaths can access the highest function in society such as prime minister, CEO, banker and so on

    So good quotes about this from him
    https://allthatsinteresting.com/hl-mencken-quotes

    As democracy is perfected, the office of President represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.

    Think of Elon Mush, Jeff Bezos, Trump,Clinton, Ocasio Cortez.

  6. onlooker on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 3:48 pm 

    We will soon discover hard limits which we cannot bypass and that will force us back into balance if indeed Nature allows even that

  7. Makati1 on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 6:57 pm 

    Jef said it in a few words. “Thin the herd or Mother Nature will thin it for us.”

    Then comes the extreme bullshitter, Davy, with his long spew which no one will bother to read. LMAO

  8. fmr-paultard on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 7:14 pm 

    dear Mr. JOE GUZZARDI

    thank you for the article. you fret not, we have plenty of supertards who built a lot of things in america that i take for granted. i enjoy it and i’m humble. i thank you our supertards (pbuh) for giving me safe electricity and indoors plumbing. I like it very much.

    This is how electricity is wired in phils not to mention suicide shower.

    https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d19edf1dfd946fc080d17404faf22d50-c

    What kind of Catholic nation giving muslims autonomy? Not only they have useless Americans like aswang, they don’t have supertards. I’m a tard and I read Richard Spencer of jihadwatch and I understand it won’t stop there.

    I’m taking temporary retirement and I don’t have any basic tard research in my queue. I concluded that dertard needs to submit evidence of probing or no cattle mutilation and absolutely no green men – the original wishful thinking is that they give us free electricity/unlimited.

  9. Makati1 on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 7:45 pm 

    “The rate of global species extinction is today roughly what it was 66 million years ago, after an asteroid six to nine miles across careered into south-eastern Mexico, quickly wiping out the dinosaurs and much else. The force of the asteroid, which struck the planet at the end of the Cretaceous period, was over a billion times stronger than the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945.

    Now, the human species is approaching the destructive equivalent of this asteroid. Due to expanding human activity, scientists estimate that each day extinction is being inflicted upon 150 to 200 species of plant, insect, bird and mammal.

    The earth has indeed not witnessed the current level of extermination in over 65 million years, when 75% or more of all species were wiped out.”

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/global-species-extinction-humans-are-now-the-asteroid-hitting-the-earth/5649235

    Only a matter of time…

  10. Anonymouse1 on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 8:05 pm 

    “Then comes the extreme bullshitter, Davy, with his long spew which no one will bother to read. LMAO”

    Indeed Mak.

  11. Davy on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 8:22 pm 

    Asperger, here is the extent of what your buddy Billy said today. Wow, that is some massive intel there!!

    “Interesting observation of the Us today:”
    “Sounds like America today.”
    “Only a matter of time…”
    “Payback is going to be a bitch for Americans.”
    “Entertaining to wake up in the morning to Davy and MM’s insanity. It’s fun to see what they posted while I was off line sleeping. Nothing like a dozen Davy’s bullshit posts all in a line to ignore. I can get the gist of their rants from the intelligent rebuttals posted by GregT, JuanP, Onlooker, etc. I don’t usually read anything by Davy or MM as it is all delusional BS. Two reasons the Us is collapsing into the toilet bowl.”
    “I no longer reply to any posts that do not address Makati1. If the poster cannot remember my name here, he/she is not intelligent/mature enough to have anything worth reading.”

  12. Bloomer on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 9:16 pm 

    Nice sentiment Davy, but the human race is not going to join hands and sing we are the world. The vast majority of people on the planet are struggling just to make ends meet.

    We live in an overpopulated dog eat dog world where compassion is a sign of weakness. If a society can’t care for its poor, elderly, disable and homeless, how can you believe it will suddenly become stewards of the earth.

    Sorry to be a Debbie Downer, but we are screwed.

  13. Davy on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 9:28 pm 

    I agree bloomer but my point is those who can should. The people that open that door should also know there is no transcending the human predicament just because they can go through that door. There is only adapting to the human predicament and mitigating the results. The ship is sinking but not sunk for many. If you are lucky enough to still be above water than now is the time to seize the day.

  14. GregT on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 10:34 pm 

    “If you are lucky enough to still be above water than now is the time to seize the day.”

    It is those who are sitting in the cocktail lounges on the upper decks, who are punching the most holes in the ship’s hull. The longer they continue to ‘seize the day’, the less survivors there will be when the good ship planet Earth goes down.

  15. Permavillage on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 11:34 pm 

    Yes, sustainability lessons that no politician will ever take inspiration from. No economist either.

  16. Permavillage on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 11:37 pm 

    India adds about 15 million people per year (wow). China adds a little over 6 million. Nigeria is next, at about 4 million. Then we have the U.S., adding 3 million per year. But of those, the U.S. is the hungriest in energy terms. The graph shows how many petajoules (PJ) of demand are added each year per country due to population growth (other factors can also contribute to energy growth or decline; here we isolate the population portion). For reference, the entire world’s annual appetite is 530,000 PJ. What we see is that population growth in the U.S. is adding energy demand faster than any nation on Earth. China and India are also important (and in absolute terms they are certainly more important energy growers, due to a rapidly changing standard of living). But the answer to the question: who’s population growth is having the largest effect on global energy demand?—it’s the U.S.

    https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/enadd-added1-1024×768.png

  17. Makati1 on Tue, 31st Jul 2018 11:49 pm 

    “…who’s population growth is having the largest effect on global energy demand?—it’s the U.S.”

    BINGO!

  18. Makati1 on Wed, 1st Aug 2018 12:01 am 

    BTW: The Us uses 15+ times the energy per capita than the Philippines. China uses about 1/3 of the energy of the Us per person. India, 1/10th. Russia, 2/3rds. Who will miss it most? Hint: Not the Ps. WIKI

  19. Cloggie on Wed, 1st Aug 2018 12:20 am 

    Iran has the possibility to circumvent a blockade and deliver oil to Europe and China via the Caspian Sea via the Eurasian pipeline network:

    https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Iran-Seeks-500000-Bpd-Oil-Swap-With-Caspian-Countries.html

    Map:

    http://southfront.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Iran.jpg?x61338

    The numbers won’t be great initially, but perhaps the strategic decision will be made to build new pipeline infrastructure and adopt the recent Chinese New Silk Road strategy, circumvent Anglo navies and adopt a Eurasian overland strategy for oil and gas deliveries.

  20. peakyeast on Wed, 1st Aug 2018 3:34 am 

    @Cloggie: Iran is implementing its own cryptocurrency – which is also seen as a way to avoid economic warfare from the US.

    http://fortune.com/2018/07/26/iran-sanctions-cryptocurrency/

  21. Davy on Wed, 1st Aug 2018 5:15 am 

    “…who’s population growth is having the largest effect on global energy demand?—it’s the U.S.”
    Its China and the US is in decline.

    “BTW: The Us uses 15+ times the energy per capita than the Philippines. China uses about 1/3 of the energy of the Us per person. India, 1/10th. Russia, 2/3rds. Who will miss it most? Hint: Not the Ps. WIKI”

    Billy 3rd world, the P’s has a similar GDP as my state of Missouri with 16 times the population and a little more than twice the space. Sure we are going to have 15 times the energy per capita. You per capita on China is likewise skewed. Look at total Energy use and China is coming in as the world’s largest consumer of energy. BTW, were those numbers from wiki? If so why did you not give us a proper comment with title, link, and content?

    https://tinyurl.com/yblxulma
    https://tinyurl.com/nb6a2aj

  22. Cloggie on Wed, 1st Aug 2018 1:29 pm 

    Tomorrow Spain & Portugal: 44-46 Celsius.
    Holland: endless Summer. Is this the new normal? Worst “harvest” since many years. No food for animals. Mass slaughter necessary.

  23. onlooker on Wed, 1st Aug 2018 1:37 pm 

    Yes Clog, the new normal

  24. Antius on Wed, 1st Aug 2018 1:51 pm 

    Cloggie, is the IJsselmeer not a freshwater lake? This must be at least a couple of years worth of water.

  25. Cloggie on Wed, 1st Aug 2018 2:01 pm 

    It is fresh water indeed, but not all provinces can be serviced with it, including my North-Brabant and all the higher areas:

    https://goo.gl/images/yyrzNp

    What we need is a “Roman solution”, with aquaducts and pipelines, using existing canals as feeder backbones:

    https://goo.gl/images/SoUuby

    Will pay itself back handsomly in the global dry future.

  26. Cloggie on Wed, 1st Aug 2018 2:17 pm 

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IJsselmeer

    IJsselmeer is 5.5 km3 fresh water or
    5.5 x 1000 x 1000 x1000 m3 = 5.500 billion m3 water.
    That is 5500/0.017= 323,000 m3 per Hollander.

    On top of that every second 2,000 m3 fresh water flows into the North Sea from the Rhine river or 63 billion m3, that is 11 times the IJsselmeer per year.

    No worries.

    Btw pumping water to higher areas would be a nice opportunity for demand control of tenrwable energy.

  27. GregT on Wed, 1st Aug 2018 2:58 pm 

    “Tomorrow Spain & Portugal: 44-46 Celsius.”

    “Holland: endless Summer. Is this the new normal? Worst “harvest” since many years. No food for animals. Mass slaughter necessary.”

    The temperatures here have been between 37º and 40º C for the last seven days. Today the heat broke slightly, and the temperature ATM is 32ºC, which is still ~7ºC above normal averages for this time of year. I now count 18 dead Cedar trees on my property alone, that average between 70 and 80 years old, and the cedar die off is evident throughout the entire region.

    As onlooker said above; “The new normal.” Unfortunately, the new normal isn’t going to be normal for long, as the climate continues to destabilize more as time goes on.

    IMVHO, I believe that humanity is very likely already done for, sometime later this century. Perhaps even sooner than that. Time will tell.

    In any event, no doubt, there will be very troubling times ahead.

  28. MASTERMIND on Wed, 1st Aug 2018 3:55 pm 

    Trump is what happens when a robber baron dunce born on third base strolls home and thinks he made a home run. He’s not the beginning, he’s the end..

  29. MASTERMIND on Wed, 1st Aug 2018 4:03 pm 

    OMG we are all going to boil to death..we are killing the planet! Lets all join hands and sing koombaya!

  30. Antius on Wed, 1st Aug 2018 4:09 pm 

    “As onlooker said above; “The new normal.” Unfortunately, the new normal isn’t going to be normal for long, as the climate continues to destabilize more as time goes on.”

    Time for active control measures perhaps? I.e stratospheric sulphate injection. As I said before, not the ideal solution. But we need to accept the fact that the threat is now real and we need to keep the Earth cool until CO2 is naturally sequestered.

    Depletion will (fortunately/unfortunately) play a big role in reducing human greenhouse gas emissions in the decades to come. But we need to keep the Earth cool enough to minimise any feedback effects from thawing methane hydrates.

  31. onlooker on Wed, 1st Aug 2018 4:22 pm 

    A drastic solution some have offered to keep the methane sequestered in the Arctic is a controlled nuclear detonation somewhere over it as calculated by a supercomputer to induce “a nuclear winter”. Hey not my idea

  32. Cloggie on Wed, 1st Aug 2018 4:22 pm 

    Norway at it again. By 2026 these giant “Love Boat-ish” cruiser ships, fueled by heavy oil will no longer be admiited to the country’s pristine fjords.

    Electric or get lost.

    https://www.inverse.com/article/44507-norway-zero-emission-fjords

  33. Duncan Idaho on Wed, 1st Aug 2018 4:24 pm 

    “But we need to accept the fact that the threat is now real and we need to keep the Earth cool until CO2 is naturally sequestered.”

    I don’t think we can do that for at least 10,000 years.

  34. Cloggie on Wed, 1st Aug 2018 4:33 pm 

    I don’t think we can do that for at least 10,000 years.

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/06/25/prof-olaf-schuiling-has-a-solution-for-the-co2-problem/

  35. Cloggie on Wed, 1st Aug 2018 4:46 pm 

    “Renewable energy doesn’t work”-latest:

    https://cleantechnica.com/2018/07/31/uk-renewables-hit-29-3-in-2017-led-by-record-wind-output/

    UK Clean Electricity Surpassed 50% In 2017 As Renewables Soar

    If this doesn’t suffice to transfer forum buddy millimind to a better world, I wouldn’t know what will.

  36. Antius on Wed, 1st Aug 2018 5:18 pm 

    “Btw pumping water to higher areas would be a nice opportunity for demand control of tenrwable energy.”

    It would. The great opportunity here is to pump that water from water rich but solar poor North European regions, to Southern European regions that have the opposite problem. That way, Spain, Italy and Portugal can become the bread baskets of Eurasia.

    European countries, especially North European countries, lead the world in cereal productivity, largely because we have high summer insolation levels, good rainfall and warm conditions. Whilst fungicides play a role in boosting yields, the fact remains that Europe has natural advantages over the rest of the world in the production of cereal crops. This was undoubtedly a factor that contributed to our ascendancy as masters of the world.

    http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Agriculture/Produce/Wheat/Yield

    It takes about 1500 litres of water to produce 1kg of wheat. So, 63 billion cubic metres could produce (under the right conditions) about 40 billion kg (40 million tonnes) of wheat. There are 3300 calories in 1kg of wheat. So there is enough water in the Rhine alone to feed 150 million people.

    If Southern European countries can reach yields of 6000kg per hectare with adequate irrigation, then the Rhine could irrigate some 6.7million hectares of land. That is still only about 5% the area of Spain.

    If we can use wind power to pump water at a flow speed of 5m/s, then a pipe diameter of 22.5m would be needed to carry the water. That is achievable using insitu concrete casting, though it would be a project equivalent to the Suez and Panama canals, which were wider but not as long. We would probably keep the water flowing using jet pumps.

    Spain has a lot of flat but arid land that could be irrigated in this way. It has long temperate summers and it’s only real limitations are water stress.

  37. Antius on Wed, 1st Aug 2018 5:38 pm 

    Suez canal facts:

    “the canal by the 1960s had a minimum width of 179 feet (55 metres) at a depth of 33 feet (10 metres) along its banks and a channel depth of 40 feet (12 metres) at low tide. Also in that period, passing bays were greatly enlarged and new bays constructed, bypasses were made in the Bitter Lakes and at Al-Ballā”

    “In 2015 the Egyptian government finished a nearly $8.5 billion project to upgrade the canal and significantly increase its capacity; nearly 18 miles (29 km) were added to its original length of 102 miles (164 km).”

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Suez-Canal

    So, total excavation required for the Suez canal was ~100 million cubic metres be my estimation.

    A 22m x 22m trench some 2000km long, would have some 10 times that volume. But we have access to 21st century technology, which should make the effort easier.

  38. Sissyfuss on Wed, 1st Aug 2018 8:25 pm 

    Climate Change is here and it is accelerating. The time for can kicking and empty promises is coming to a halt. Like all out of control addicts, we oilaholics must look in the mirror and face the denial of our lifestyles. Change is no longer optional. Gaia is screaming at us.

  39. Makati1 on Wed, 1st Aug 2018 11:37 pm 

    Food for thought, Americans (pun intended):

    “The average age of farmers in the US is 58.3 years” No one wants to be a ‘farmer’. lol

    https://www.euractiv.com/section/agriculture-food/news/farmers-are-ageing-younger-generations-see-agriculture-negatively/

    Even though this article is about the EU, it pertains to the Us also. Food security? LMAO

  40. Makati1 on Wed, 1st Aug 2018 11:54 pm 

    More on Us food ‘security’:

    “… more than half of fruit and a third of vegetables purchased in the US are now imported from other countries.”

    Someone here, from Missouri, claimed that the Us does not import any significant amount of food. lol

    https://www.businessinsider.com/food-poisoning-news-on-the-rise-why-2018-7

    Slip slidin’…

  41. Cloggie on Thu, 2nd Aug 2018 12:15 am 

    Trump is what happens when a robber baron dunce born on third base strolls home and thinks he made a home run. He’s not the beginning, he’s the end..

    Indeed, the end of ZOG-USA.
    A home run, as per usual, millimind.

    – Kunstler is posting altright-ish posts.

    – Zuckerberg is shying away from forbidding holo-denial on his platform:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/theworldpost/wp/2018/07/30/facebook/?utm_term=.7b21a4c6eeec

    (picture this, there has only been a high-profile confrontation between orthodox historians and revisionists TWICE: Toronto Zuendel-trial and Irving-trial in London, in both cases it didn’t went well for the holocaustians. Denying the holocaust in the West is like denying Allah in Saudi-Arabia. It can’t be allowed. Holy Lies can’t be discussed, otherwise the most fundamental principles society is based upon will wreck said old society).

    Carl Bernstein attacking “Jewish neocons”:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRlatDWqh0o

    What I read into the behavior from these 3 Jewish individuals is that they apparently are losing faith in the feasibility of their own Global-Zion project, that is the world in the hands of the Self-Chosen. Their tool and stepping stone America is losing steam before it managed to put the entire world at the feet of its master, like a dog fetches a bone.

    What we are likely going to see is a revival of old value systems after the end of the Marxist era of material progress. ISIS is only a small sign of things to come. Revival of archaic Traditionalism and tribalism:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7xdSZVf2pY

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Putin brings back the Czar to Russia as a last act of his government.

  42. Cloggie on Thu, 2nd Aug 2018 12:44 am 

    It takes about 1500 litres of water to produce 1kg of wheat.

    You can produce much more food per liter of water by NOT spraying water on an open field but instead grow vegetables in large warehouses near the cities, that is near consumers and as such save on transportation and keep the valuable water inside:

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/04/21/vertical-farming-taking-off/

    Or if industrial civilization would collapse:

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2015/12/15/home-gardening-a-glimpse-of-the-future/

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/06/14/sea-water-green-houses-in-the-desert/

  43. Makati1 on Thu, 2nd Aug 2018 12:51 am 

    Did you think about your post Cloggie? It is illogical to move fields into buildings (energy) that will require huge amounts of light (energy) and air circulation (energy) to even begin to grow anything. Grains are the last thing that would be grown indoors. It would be like planting your lawn in your living room. LOL

  44. Anonymouse1 on Thu, 2nd Aug 2018 1:33 am 

    But Mak, Cloggraham here originally comes from an alternate Earth, where anything, and everything is possible, practical and profitable all at the same time. And on his parallel Earth, the entire economy operates on the power of assertion(and irrelevant web links). As soon as someone(ie cloggenfraud here) asserts something, (anything) really, it hardly matters what the assertion is, or how stupid or impractical it happens to be, it will be quickly, and seamlessly adapted by society. Factors like cost, existing vested interests, or even if the idea itself is completely retarded in a basic way, it will be enthusiastically adapted without question or hestiation just the same.

    At least, those are the principles cloggen-frauds other Earth operates on. He seems bewildered and frustrated that this universe does not operate on, or remotely resemble his old one. Look at how, going on, how many years now?, cloggenstein here, cannot grasp the simple concept that devices like wind turbines, solar panels and even his most recent hobby horse, the flying electric robo car, are all built with, and made possible, by fossil fuels. Its been years and he still cannot wrap his pea-brain around this simple, and elementary fact.

    You think he is going to be able to understand growing wheat in a warehouse is an equally stupid notion?

  45. Cloggie on Thu, 2nd Aug 2018 2:00 am 

    If you reread my post makati you will verify I was talking about food, not grain. Bread and pasta are inferior foods whose only claim to fame is seasonal storability. For the rest it is trash food for stupid obese people. Why don’t you watch the videos to verify that it works in practice.

  46. Cloggie on Thu, 2nd Aug 2018 2:10 am 

    “You think he is going to be able to understand growing wheat in a warehouse is an equally stupid notion?”

    Anonymouse1 is another functional illiterate African.

    This is what I said:

    “You can produce much more food per liter of water by NOT spraying water on an open field but instead grow vegetables in large warehouses near the cities”

    But our inhouse African is so keen in ridiculing everything, that he reads things that are not written.

    https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/858307?guccounter=1

    The only thing sneer bunnies like mouse1 are good for is bring down civilization in North-America for us Europeans.

  47. Makati1 on Thu, 2nd Aug 2018 2:58 am 

    Vegetables or wheat, it is energy intensive to grow anything but mushrooms indoors, Cloggie.
    And energy is getting more expensive as it declines. Not going to happen.

  48. Davy on Thu, 2nd Aug 2018 5:25 am 

    “You can produce much more food per liter of water by NOT spraying water on an open field but instead grow vegetables in large warehouses near the cities, that is near consumers and as such save on transportation and keep the valuable water inside:”

    Ah, no, you are not going to produce much food because of the cost of that setup. Only in a globalized world can people afford the luxury of that high expense high intensity setup. You are never going to be more than just a niche for high cost agricultural production. Pot comes to mind. Neder stick to IT you don’t know much about farming.

  49. Davy on Thu, 2nd Aug 2018 5:28 am 

    “Anonymouse1 on Thu, 2nd Aug 2018 1:33 am”

    More Facebook trolling noise from the board Canadian boy wonder. Here is aspergers last borderline real comment and contribution:

    Anonymouse1 on Sat, 28th Jul 2018 2:02 pm

  50. Davy on Thu, 2nd Aug 2018 5:34 am 

    “If you reread my post makati you will verify I was talking about food, not grain. Bread and pasta are inferior foods whose only claim to fame is seasonal storability.”

    Get a grip neder it takes grains and meat in addition to vegetables to make a diet for the world. Vegetables and fruit can make up about 30% of the global diet at best. The cost per kilo and corresponding calories delivered is way too low to feed the world or even a rich area like yours. The cost are way too high for vegetables and fruit produced your high tech way. You are clueless on the reality of agriculture and civilization. For you it is go high tech and we can solve the food problem.

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