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Dance Until the Music Stops

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This is the view from Kennedy airport 18,000 years ago: a two-mile high wall of ice (called the Laurentide Ice Sheet) extends across Canada and the northern part of the U.S. If you look south towards Jamaica Bay, there is only frozen tundra for as far as the eye can see. It is the exposed continental shelf. The seashore is 60 miles away because the oceans are 360 feet lower than they are today.

Forcings and Feedbacks

The Earth’s climate remains stable as long as the planet gives off as much energy as it absorbs. When this equilibrium is thrown out of balance, the Earth will either warm or cool until it comes back into equilibrium. Two factors are responsible for the balancing act: forcings and feedbacks.

A forcing is a trigger that throws the Earth’s energy balance out of equilibrium. Once that happens, various feedbacks (reactions to the forcing) kick in. Most of these reinforce the forcing. Feedbacks keep going until the Earth reaches energy equilibrium again.

Why did the Laurentide ice sheet melt? First, there was a forcing. In this case it was a slight change in the inclination of the Earth’s axis of rotation which caused a small increase in the amount of sunlight reaching the northern hemisphere. It wasn’t enough to melt the ice sheet, but it got the ball rolling.

Then there were three feedbacks. The first feedback was an increase in carbon dioxide (CO2). The oceans hold 50 times more CO2 than the atmosphere. Warm water can’t hold as much CO2 as colder water, so as the Earth got warmer, CO2 started coming out of the oceans and into the atmosphere. This made the Earth retain more heat, which made the oceans even warmer, which made them release more CO2 and so on in a self-reinforcing cycle.

The second feedback was an increase of water vapor in the air. As the air warms, it can hold more water vapor. Water vapor is a greenhouse gas. The more water vapor, the more greenhouse gas. The more greenhouse gas, the warmer the planet. The warmer the planet, the more water vapor and so in another self-reinforcing cycle.

The third feedback occurred when the glaciers began to melt. The ocean and the land are less reflective than ice. As the glaciers melted, less sunlight was reflected back into space. This made the Earth warmer, which melted more ice, which reduced the Earth’s reflectivity, which made it warmer and so on. Another self-reinforcing cycle. There are many other forcings and feedbacks that control the climate of the planet, which explains why climate science is so complicated.

Climate change is happening today because manmade CO2 and other greenhouse gases (gases that trap heat) are forcing the Earth’s energy equilibrium out of balance. The Earth must then adjust to this forcing by emitting more heat, and it can only do this by warming up. This process triggers feedbacks that accelerate this warming. The warming continues until energy equilibrium is reached. As long as we burn fossil fuels, energy equilibrium cannot be reached.

CO2 Emissions – 1751 to 2018

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Data obtained from CDIAC, the DOE’s CO2 Information Analysis Center. Gts = billions of tons.

This graph is divided into four periods as the legend indicates. The numbers represent the annual amount of CO2 emitted at the beginning and end of each period. As you can see, the emission rate accelerated considerably around 1960. Today, annual CO2 emissions are close to 40 billion tons.

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This graph shows the cumulative manmade CO2 emissions in each of the four periods shown in the previous graph. Cumulative emissions are important because CO2 stays in the air for thousands of years.

Nearly 80% of all man-made CO2 emissions have occurred since 1960, and half since 1990. These cumulative emissions have increased the CO2 concentration from 280 ppm to 411 ppm – a jump of 131 ppm. At the same time, the average global temperature has increased by 1°C (1 degree Celsius). For comparison, when the Earth emerged from the last glacial period 10,000 years ago, CO2 concentration increased by only 100 ppm and the global temperature increased by 5C. This was enough to melt the two-mile high glaciers, raise the level of the oceans by 360 feet, and vastly change the ecosystems of the world.

CO2 Emissions – 2020 to 2050

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Energy data obtained from the US Energy Information Administration (EIA). Emission calculations may be found at the end of this document.

Global energy consumption is forecast to increase by 43% between 2020 and 2050. As energy consumption increases, so do emissions. Some of this demand will be met by a growing renewable energy industry. The rest will still require burning fossil fuels. The upshot is that annual CO2 emissions will increase by 23% by 2050, reaching 46.6 billion tons.

Based on this forecast, over the next 30 years an additional 1,250 billion tons of carbon dioxide will be emitted. The following chart shows the cumulative totals for each period.

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The additional 1,250 billion tons of CO2 will raise the concentration of CO2 by 89 ppm from 411 ppm to 500 ppm – 1 ¾ times the pre-industrial concentration.

How will this affect global temperature? A precise forecast is impossible to make because so many factors are involved, but as the following two graphs show, the correlation between global temperature and CO2 concentration is very tight.

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This graph shows CO2 and temperature over the past 800,000 years. During this time the Earth went through repeated glacial periods separated by brief interglacial periods (like the one we are in today). The graph shows that CO2 and temperature went up and down hand-in-hand. When it was warm, they went up, and when it was cold, they went down. Note the spike in CO2 levels (the dotted line on the right side of the graph). You can see that CO2 is now much higher than at any time in the last 800,000 years and that it is on a near-vertical trajectory. This is because it takes nature thousands of years to change the level of CO2 by the amount that we are changing it in just decades.

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This graph shows the same correlation between CO2 and global temperature since 1880.  As I noted previously, the global temperature is now 1C higher than the preindustrial average and increasing at an ever-faster pace.

Climate scientists who study the sensitivity of the global temperature to changes in CO2 concentration have determined that a doubling of CO2 will raise the global temperature by 3C.  AT 500 ppm, CO2 concentration will be almost 80% of doubling the pre-industrial concentration.  Prorating, this would result in a global temperature increase of 2.4C.  This is well above both the 1.5C and 2C thresholds that the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) has declared will produce (1) very serious climate consequences and (2) catastrophic climate consequences.

Consequences

A 3°C rise in global temperature will irrevocably disrupt the stable climate that has sustained civilization for the past 5,000 years. An unstable climate will wreak havoc with global civilization. As sea levels rise, coastal cities will become flooded. Millions will flee to higher ground, leaving homes and businesses behind. The cost in terms of infrastructure and lost business will be trillions of dollars. Coastal ports will also be flooded. This will impede international commerce and could essentially shut down the global economy.

As weather patterns worsen, more frequent and severe floods and droughts will reduce agricultural production. According to a 2017 abstract from the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, every 1°C increase in global temperature will, on average, reduce global yields of wheat by 6.0%, rice by 3.2%, maize by 7.4%, and soybeans by 3.1%. A 3°C temperature increase would reduce global production of these crops by between 10% and 20%, depending on the crop. The UN predicts that, by 2050, the world population will increase from 8 billion to 10 billion. This combination of reducing crop yields and increasing population will make global famine a certainty.

Heat, flooding, disease, famine, increasing poverty, and the loss of government services will force tens to hundreds of millions of people to migrate from equatorial areas in the Asia-Pacific area, Africa, the Middle East, and Central and South America to cooler climates. Most of the world population lives in the northern hemisphere, so the bulk of the migration will be northward towards Europe, the US, and central Asia. The countries in these areas will be overwhelmed by these migrations and will resist it. The resulting conflicts could escalate to wars around the world – a world which still harbors 3,750 active nuclear warheads and another 10,000 inactive warheads. Millions will die from starvation, disease, or violence. At first, the tropics will bear the brunt of these effects, but as global temperature relentlessly rises, temperate zones will face the same consequences.

As apocalyptic as this scenario is, if we fail to end our fossil fuel emissions it will soon become a reality. We are already seeing unprecedented wildfires, flooding, and storms that are exacting billions in damages. These events will continue to increase in frequency and severity. At some point humanity will be forced to accept the reality that it has permanently altered the climate and made it more hostile to life, but by then it will be too late to avoid the worst-case scenarios. Even if the world started in earnest today to phase out fossil fuels, we are so dependent on them that it would take decades to do it.

And even if we do manage to phase out fossil fuels, we still have to reckon with past emissions. The planet will continue to warm to achieve energy equilibrium, and unless we remove these emissions, the equilibrium temperature will be unacceptably high. The technology exists, but it would take trillions of dollars to get back to 350 ppm, the level that the world’s foremost scientist on climate change says is the maximum that we can tolerate while avoiding catastrophic warming. And it will take energy – lots of it. If we cannot produce that energy with clean fuel sources, then we will need to burn more fossil fuels to remove the emissions, which would be like bailing water from the front to the back of the boat.

The environmental and social chaos that climate change will bring has already started. Just to take two examples, wildfires in California have been unprecedented in size and frequency over the past several years, and, as this is being written, the Australian navy is helping people evacuate from the mainland in order to flee wildfires on a scale never before seen. There will be no single event or date which will signal a change from the normal, stable climate we are familiar with to the unstable and hostile one we are creating. It will continue to get worse at an ever-increasing pace until we find ourselves in the midst of it.

Climate scientists have consistently underestimated the speed at which the crisis is developing, in part because it is in the DNA of scientists to be cautious, and in part because alarming predictions are labeled “alarmist” by skeptics. And since we have never seen an apocalypse, except in the movies, society tends to accept this label. But the word “alarmist” means that the threat is being overstated. If the facts support the predictions, then, although they may be alarming, they are not alarmist.

If we continue with business as usual, by 2030, the handwriting that scientists have been reading for decades will be on the wall for all to see, and by 2050, the worldwide environmental, economic, and social impact of climate change will likely be measured in trillions of dollars and millions of lives lost.
But we should not get too focused on the precision-timing of these forecasts. It is the inexorable trend that matters. Will it be any consolation if these events take another decade or two to materialize? Not to those who must live with them.

Wildcards

There are two contingencies that all the forecasts have excluded. One is the release of methane and the other is the collapse of the West Antarctic Ice Shelf. (The ice shelf is the part of a glacier that extends into the ocean.) If we continue burning fossil fuels, both are inevitable, and both will have profound effects. What is uncertain is when these events will occur. Given the rapid rate of melting that we are witnessing, they could occur within decades.

Permafrost and arctic continental shelves contain huge quantities of frozen methane. If they melt faster than expected (and so far, the permafrost is), they will release large amounts of methane which, during the first 20 years after its release, is 80 times more potent as a greenhouse gas than CO2. If this release is sudden and large (something which has happened in the geologic past in connection with mass extinctions), global warming will be dramatically accelerated.

The Antarctic Ice Shelf stabilizes the land-based glaciers in Antarctica and keeps them from flowing into the ocean. The West Antarctic Ice Shelf is being melted from beneath by warm water and is becoming unstable. If it should collapse, it will allow land-based glaciers to flow into the ocean, and if that happens, it will trigger an irreversible process that will accelerate the rise in sea level and ensure that it will continue for centuries.

Dance Until the Music Stops

In 2007, when asked by the Financial Times whether the investment risks his company was taking were too dangerous, Chuck Prince, CEO of Citibank, made the following statement:

“When the music stops, in terms of liquidity, things will be complicated. But as long as the music is playing, you’ve got to get up and dance. We’re still dancing.”

He meant that, even if Citigroup’s executives were worried that private equity valuations had gotten too risky and loan terms too loose, it would make little sense for them to pull back and forego all those underwriting fees because they were not sure when the markets would crash. So, they kept dancing. The following year the bubble burst and the world financial markets nearly collapsed. Only government bailouts saved them. Millions of innocent victims lost their homes and their life’s savings. Today the fossil fuel industry is doing the dancing, but the stakes are incomparably higher. And this time, there will be no government bailout.


Appendix: Emissions Calculations Based on EIA Energy Forecast

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Note: CDIAC emissions and EIA calculated emissions overlap for the period 2010 to 2016. Average EIA emissions for this period are 5% higher than CDIAC emissions. Because CDIAC emissions are based on direct measurements and EIA emissions are calculated based on forecasted energy consumption, I reduced the EIA calculated emissions by 5% in order to provide a smooth transition. This gets us to the 1,250 billion tons shown in the graph. Since we are dealing with a forecast, this adjustment does not alter facts, and since the adjustment is minor, it does not affect the overall analysis.

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72 Comments on "Dance Until the Music Stops"

  1. makati1 on Sun, 19th Jan 2020 9:58 pm 

    throbbing++
    turgid++
    lemon party
    now

  2. Cloggie on Sun, 19th Jan 2020 10:22 pm 

    “Did you know that Wurmer is Jewish cloggo?”

    I would never have guessed that, davy. Where would I be without you, I’m asking you?

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321229264_UNDERSTANDING_JEWISH_INFLUENCE_III_NEOCONSERVATISM_AS_A_JEWISH_MOVEMENT

  3. REAL Green on Mon, 20th Jan 2020 12:47 am 

    Never mind Davy. I found what yer talkin about on the google.

    “Lemon Party is a shock site displaying an image of three elderly males in a bed kissing and performing oral sex.”

    “It is commonly used as a bait-and-switch link by trolls in discussion forums and imageboard communities.”

    https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/lemon-party

  4. The Board on Mon, 20th Jan 2020 1:16 am 

    Please everyone.

    Do not feed the davy troll.

  5. Cloggie on Mon, 20th Jan 2020 2:01 am 

    “I enjoy watching the West go down. Far better than any Hollywood movie or TV series. Keep the war in the ME and the mass migration of millions in the EU and Amerika.”

    This place is full with self-destroying lefties, but neither davy, nor Siss or DerHund or Duncan are gloating about their own demise.

    But you are really gloating about the demise of whitey through the masses of the third world. And since we are living in a world where 1+1=2, I can apply the Duck test to you:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_test

    I can’t prove it and perhaps I am wrong but if I listen to you carefully I can only stick to my hypothesis uttered a long time ago, namely… you have exactly the age to have been conceived in 1942. That is the year when the Japanese invaded the US colony the Philippines (“borrowed” from the Spanish), forcing your European American father GI and his Philippine wife/fiance/girlfriend, who was pregnant from you, to flee back to the US. You grew up there and were constantly reminded of your background by cocky whites (until 1980 you still had cocky US whites, now they are all demoralized and depressed and waiting like rabbits to receive the poachers blow on the head while staring in the lights of his car). You quietly disliked them until today, hence the real reason for your continuous anti-American campaign you have been waging as long as I know you (since January 2012, 8 years already).

    And by the end of your life you made the exceptional decision to live in a third world country, a decision that isn’t that exceptional if it is motivated by your desire to live in the country of your beloved mother and discover the other side of you.

    Why don’t you simply admit the obvious?

  6. makati1 on Mon, 20th Jan 2020 3:21 am 

    Cloggie, you are as warped as Davy. I was “born” in 1944. 75years ago. Do the math, if you can. 2019 minus 1944 = 75years. I am 14th generation North American (1734) from Germany via Austria. I am as white as possible in Amerika.

    I decided to move out of the dying West and live in a growing Eastern country. Why do you have a problem with that? I was intelligent enough to abandon a sinking ship before it went down. You want to pretend that the liquid flowing into the hull of the sinking ship West, is just campaign. It is really bullshit.

    You can spout techie bullshit until forever but it changes nothing. The West, including the EU and the minuscule country called the Netherlands, is going down. The population of the Netherlands is about the population of metro Manila today. You may not like it but that is fact. I hope you are prepared. I am.

    As long as the US exists, I will be getting repaid for my contribution to the SS system. But, I am prepared for that to end. I plan ahead and do not rely on the dreams of others. Do you?

  7. Cloggie on Mon, 20th Jan 2020 4:40 am 

    “Did you know that Wurmer is Jewish cloggo?”

    I would never have guessed that, davy. Where would I be without you, I’m asking you?

    Oops, JuanP fooled me that’s not Davy. Damn I am dumb and dutch

  8. makati1 on Mon, 20th Jan 2020 4:42 am 

    “Cloggie, you are as warped as Davy. I was “born” in 1944. 75years ago.”

    I am getting close to PO retirement. My mind is not what it used to be. I have to watch my high blood pressure too.

  9. JuanP on Mon, 20th Jan 2020 4:45 am 

    “As long as the US exists, I will be getting repaid for my contribution to the SS system. But, I am prepared for that to end. I plan ahead and do not rely on the dreams of others. Do you?”

    Mak, you are such a dumbass your generation robbed the country and the world of a future. You should be ashamed of yourself. Social Security is broke and it is your fault. You don’t deserve a dime of it.

  10. Cloggie on Mon, 20th Jan 2020 4:47 am 

    “Cloggie, you are as warped as Davy. I was “born” in 1944. 75years ago. Do the math, if you can. 2019 minus 1944 = 75years.”

    You were already 75 in 2017:

    https://peakoil.com/consumption/todays-poor-needs-more-oil-natural-gas-and-coal/comment-page-2

    Davy on Sun, 3rd Dec 2017 8:00 am

    Mad Kat, that was another regurgitate. How many times have you barfed the same vomit? I guess when you are 75 you just can’t remember one day to the next what you say. We see his when you debate the Swiss guy Hello:. After about 20 times being told he is Swiss you think you would get it. You are suffering early onset dementia. Get help as you boyfriend grehg says.

    Davy keeps good track of personal details of posters. Recently he said you were “pushing 80” and that is also my impression.

    But even if you speak the truth… are you so deracinated that you have zero affiliation with your own heritage of thousands of years? I find that difficult to believe, that sort of level of corruption. In general, Germanics are very loyal people, unlike you.

    Let’s wait until Davy finally wakes up and gives me a hand for change, since he dislikes you even more than me.

  11. Davy on Mon, 20th Jan 2020 5:04 am 

    He is going on 76 cloggo as far as I can tell. If I said more it was to irritate him because the stupid old guy deserve disrespect.

    Makati1 on Fri, 13th Jun 2014 9:28 pm
    karle, you are very correct. I’m 70
    https://peakoil.com/enviroment/earthweek-a-diary-of-the-planet

  12. Davy on Mon, 20th Jan 2020 5:06 am 

    So much for that united Eurasian front:

    “The EU Is The Biggest Loser From US-China Agreement”
    https://tinyurl.com/tmzjsyp decalle

    “Market participants’ excess of optimism with the trade agreement between the United States and China is clearly exaggerated, once we have the details. Both the United States and China’s economy have suffered a mild impact from trade disputes. The United States saw a mild slowdown in growth but did not suffer inflationary pressures from the tariffs, while its trade deficit shrunk reduced to the lowest level in 17 months and unemployment is at a minimum of 50 years. In the case of China, the growth of the economy (even adjusted for inflated data) was less affected by the trade war than many feared. Although its exports grew much less than expected, it has been able to increase them somewhat, 0.5% in 2019. In the trade dispute, it is clear that China has been comparatively worse off. The country had to make an urgent devaluation of the yuan, bail out dozens of domestic entities and their total foreign currency reserves remained flat, barely covering their credit commitments … But, at the same time, China’s trade surplus increased by 25% even if it was mainly due to lower imports. China has shown an acceptable relative strength but its Achilles heel remains its shortage of dollars. Its apparent huge reserves of 3 billion are not operational due to its growing foreign currency debt…All that increase benefits the United States but there is no evidence that China is currently importing less than it needs, quite the opposite, as shown by its inventory levels. Therefore, China will likely import more from the United States and less from other countries. How does it affect the European Union? The European Union is the first or second in market share of total Chinese imports in various sectors. According to Morgan Stanley, the most affected sectors would be agriculture (11% of the total China imports, only surpassed by Brazil, which will also be negatively affected by the agreement), chemicals (25%), precision instruments (19%), transport equipment (50%), machinery and electrical equipment (11%, behind Taiwan, Korea, and Japan)… So far, the evidence shows that the weakest link in the China-US deal negotiations was the European Union. China and the Us will probably benefit from the deal at the expense of lower trade with a European Union that has been unable to defend its position.”

  13. Cloggie on Mon, 20th Jan 2020 5:16 am 

    The UK left fears Trump is going to win 2020:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/20/trump-election-facebook

    “Trump’s greatest ally in the coming election? Facebook”

    Facebook maybe kosher-owned yet it fears a backlash if they begin to censor even more. After all, they may own Facebook, they don’t own the internet.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jan/20/donald-trump-is-a-good-president-but-only-for-the-top-1

    “Donald Trump is a good president … but only for the top 1% – Joseph Stiglitz”

    Another jew distorting the truth. Trump is very good for bringing back a sense of white unity and hope for the future. And that is much more important than indeed a very skewed US income distribution.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/meghan-markle-prince-harry-canada-royal-queen-racism-a9290661.html

    “In the fight for freedom, Canada has long been the promised land for Meghan Markle and black people like me”

    Congratulations Canada, for being the world’s hotel for the Huddled Masses 2.0! “Freedom”, now another word for white demise. Uncle Schmull loves it. Now open your wallet, whitey! Deluding yourself into thinking that you can afford a vacation from Darwinian reality comes at a cost. Increasingly so with every passing year.

  14. Cloggie on Mon, 20th Jan 2020 5:19 am 

    “The EU Is The Biggest Loser From US-China Agreement”
    https://tinyurl.com/tmzjsyp decalle

    “De Calle” who?

    Empire dave has googled an opinion he likes.

    It’s called revenge-googling.

  15. Davy on Mon, 20th Jan 2020 5:29 am 

    “De Calle” who?”

    When the cloggo is presented with information he doesn’t like he attacks the source. What is really hilarious is the cloggo saying “De Calle who?” LOL. nobody references more obscure links than the cloggo not to mention his personal propaganda work the cloggo WordPress. This De Calle has had good economic track record BTW. I have been following him now for about a year. Cloggo, can’t think about the implications of the US/China economic agreement but he should. In this zero sum world hi eurotard land loses when the US and China do a bilateral agreement. Too bad cloggo because the EU is already teetering on the edge of a recession.

  16. JuanP on Mon, 20th Jan 2020 5:31 am 

    “It’s called revenge-googling.”

    This is something I am a master at. LOL. But I also do ID theft and hostile socks. I am ruining this forum with this weaponized behavior but I don’t give a shit!

  17. More Davy ID Theft on Mon, 20th Jan 2020 8:05 am 

    makati1 on Sun, 19th Jan 2020 9:58 pm

    Cloggie on Mon, 20th Jan 2020 4:40 am

    makati1 on Mon, 20th Jan 2020 4:42 am

    JuanP on Mon, 20th Jan 2020 4:45 am

    JuanP on Mon, 20th Jan 2020 5:31 am

  18. Cloggie on Mon, 20th Jan 2020 8:08 am 

    More of the lunatics bullshit (More Davy ID Theft on Mon, 20th Jan 2020 8:05 am). I really despise him and all he represents

  19. makati1 on Wed, 22nd Jan 2020 4:33 pm 

    ““When the music stops, in terms of liquidity, things will be complicated. But as long as the music is playing, you’ve got to get up and dance. We’re still dancing.””

    And burning fossil energy like there is no tomorrow. Oops! There will be no “tomorrow” if we don’t stop. Oh well, buckle up and pass the popcorn. We are moving into the final act of humanity.

  20. Cloggie on Wed, 22nd Jan 2020 4:48 pm 

    EU-UK trade deal, haha, priceless!

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-boris-johnson-eu-goods-checks-irish-sea-customs-union-a9297791.html

    “Brexit: EU threatens Boris Johnson with ‘sanctions’ if he fails to implement controversial Irish sea goods checks”

    #HardBorderIreland
    #BringInRussiaAndNukes

  21. Cloggie on Fri, 24th Jan 2020 8:29 am 

    Trump’s achievements? None. US decline continuous:

    https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/donald-trump-nach-drei-jahren-so-mau-ist-die-beste-bilanz-aller-zeiten-a-2d567360-ea56-4aa4-8de1-a520fff91a84

    Trump is very good in selling his policies as “Tremendous Wins”, in reality there are none.

    Unemployment? Availability men for the labor market declined from 96% to 90%. That’s 6% that no longer appear in “glorious” employment statistics.

    US market share global economy declined from 10.8 to 10.2%.

    Share foreign imports to total inland consumption increased from 15.2% to 15.6%.

    Trade balance (imbalance rather): increased to 600 billion or 40% increase and back to 2007 records.

    Share industrial jobs further declined under Trump. It needs to be said though that in the last year 2.1 million more people were employed.

    Investment is lower than in the nineties.

    Productivity is 1.7% lower as in 1992-2002.

    Deficit: 7% GDP, more than twice as high as in the EU.

    Public debt 106% GDP (EU 86%).

  22. Davy on Fri, 24th Jan 2020 10:12 am 

    “Trump’s achievements? None. US decline continuous:”

    compared to how bad the EU area is doing the above is glowing praise.

    Trump is very good in selling his policies as “Tremendous Wins”, in reality there are none.

    LMFAO this should read:

    the cloggo is very good in selling his policies as “Tremendous Wins”, in reality there are none.

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