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Climate Alarmists: Abort Your ‘Extra’ Children
Over the past few years, outlets such as NPR, the Atlantic Monthly, the Huffington Post, and the Guardian have written articles with headlines like “Should We Be Having Kids in the Age of Climate Change?,” “The Climate Change Solution No One Will Talk About,” “Voluntary Birth Control Is a Climate Change Solution Nobody Wants to Talk About,” and “Though Climate Change is a Crisis, the Population Threat is Even Worse.”
The NPR story highlights a 2016 paper by philosophers and bioethicists at Georgetown University and Johns Hopkins University, titled “Population Engineering and the Fight against Climate Change,” which argues in favor of penalizing families for having children via a progressive tax that would increase with each child.
In his new Netflix series, “Bill Nye Saves the World,” the show’s eponymous host asked a group of panelists, including one of the Georgetown professors, “Should we have policies that penalize people for having extra kids in the developed world?” The question from Nye, of course, is a rhetorical one. (Strikingly, unlike normal humans, none of the panelists found it creepy and disturbing that Nye said “extra kids.”)
Not content to let Nye hog all that creepiness for himself, ur-feminist Gloria Steinem charged the “patriarchy” with causing climate change by forcing women not to have all those abortions they secretly want, leading to overpopulation and “climate deprivation.” This unfortunately low number of abortions, according to Steinem, is “the fundamental cause of climate change.”
“People around the world are beginning to address [climate change] by reducing their carbon footprint through less consumption and better technology,” wrote the Center for Biological Diversity (CBD). “But unsustainable human population growth can overwhelm those efforts, leading us to conclude that we not only need smaller footprints, but fewer feet… Long-term population reduction to ecologically sustainable levels will solve the global warming crisis and move us to toward a healthier, more stable, post-fossil fuel, post-growth addicted society.”
After the Census Bureau reported on May 7, 2017, the U.S. population surpassed 325 million people for the first time, CBD, most well-known, if at all, for its Endangered Species Condoms, put out a press release quoting its Obersturmführer — excuse me, its “population organizer” — who said, “Hitting this population record highlights the danger of the Trump administration’s attacks on reproductive healthcare and environmental protections. We’re crowding out wildlife and destroying wild places at alarming rates, and Trump’s reckless actions will worsen the effects of our unsustainable population growth, overconsumption and urban sprawl.”
Doomsday predictions about overpopulation stretch back to Thomas Malthus’ 1798 book, An Essay on the Principle of Population. Because food production only grows arithmetically while population grows geometrically, Malthus reasoned, the planet’s burgeoning population growth would eventually outstrip food supplies, leading to famine and mass starvation. “The power of population is so superior to the power of the earth to produce subsistence for man, that premature death must in some shape or other visit the human race,” he wrote.
Twentieth-century neo-Malthusianism would be taken up by environmentalists after World War II, gaining steam after the publication of Fairfield Osborn’s Our Plundered Planet and William Vogt’s The Road to Survival in 1948. “It is obvious that fifty years hence the world cannot support three billion people,” Vogt wrote. “Unless population increases can be stopped, we might as well give up the struggle.” Vogt was wrong: Seventy years after this forecast, Earth is supporting not merely 3 billion but 7.5 billion people.
Twenty years after Osborn and Vogt, Paul Ehrlich — in his 1968 bestseller, The Population Bomb — predicted mass starvation in the 1970s and 1980s due to overpopulation. “The battle to feed all of humanity is over,” he wrote. “In the 1970’s the world will undergo famines –hundreds of millions of people will starve to death in spite of any crash program embarked upon.” These famines and mass human die-offs never materialized.
Doubling down on this, Ehrlich argued in a speech before the British Institute for Biology in 1971 that “by the year 2000, the United Kingdom will be simply a small group of impoverished islands, inhabited by some 70 million hungry people… If I were a gambler, I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000.”
Fortunately for Britons, Ehrlich is a notoriously bad gambler. (Just ask Julian Simon.) In 2000, the United Kingdom was home to 58 million people with a per-capita gross domestic product of $26,400. At $1.555 trillion in gross domestic product, it was the world’s fourth-largest economy. Even in 2017, Dear Old Blighty continues to be the opposite of the poor and starving world envisioned by Ehrlich in 1971.
The number of people living in “extreme poverty” ($1.90 or less per day) fell below 10 percent for the first time in human history in 2015, according to the World Bank. As David Harsanyi explained in The Federalist, “not only are fewer people living in extreme poverty, but fewer are hungry than ever; fewer die in conflicts over resources, and deaths due to extreme weather have been dramatically declining for a century… Over the past 40 years, our water and air has become cleaner, despite a huge spike in population growth. Some of the Earth’s richest people live in some of its densest cities.”
Indeed, the Earth is cleaner and safer today than at any point in the lifetime of anyone now living. Technology and human ingenuity have dramatically reduced the human impact on the environment. For example, by increasing crop yields (thanks GMOs!), we are growing more food while devoting less land to agriculture. Human innovational and technological advancements have improved both the lot of humanity and the environment.
Population growth is also slowing down dramatically after reaching its peak in 1970.
According to the United Nations, global fertility will slow from 2.5 children per woman in 2015 to 2.0 children in 2050. Eighty-three countries, accounting for 46 percent of the globe’s population, already had below-replacement fertility levels between 2010 and 2015, including Brazil, China, Germany, Japan, Russia, and the United States.
Forty-eight countries are also projected to see their populations decline through 2050. Of these, 11 are expected to see their populations decline by more than 15 percent, including Japan and most of the countries of Eastern Europe. The United Nations projects global population to level off somewhere between 9.5 billion and 13.3 billion around the year 2100 before beginning to drop.
As this short history of failed predictions reveals, prominent environmentalists have been using fears of famine and ecological disaster to promote a population-control agenda for many years. Recent claims that man-made global warming might be yet another disaster to be laid at the feet of population growth are no more credible.
The Club of Rome, in Mankind at the Turning Point, its 1974 doomsday follow-up to 1972’s doomsday book The Limits to Growth, literally says, “The World Has Cancer and the Cancer is Man.” Robert Zubrin, in his book Merchants of Despair, writes “this idea [that] humans are cancer upon the Earth, a horde of vermin whose unconstrained aspirations and appetites are endangering the natural order… is the core idea of antihumanism.”
“Antihumanism,” he states, “is not environmentalism, though it sometimes masquerades as such. Environmentalism, properly conceived, is an effort to apply practical solutions to real environmental problems, such as air and water pollution, for the purpose of making the world a better place for all humans to thrive in. Antihumanism, in contrast, rejects the goals of advancing the cause of mankind. Rather, it uses instances of inadvertent human damage to the environment as point of agitation to promote its fundamental thesis that human beings are pathogens whose activities need to be suppressed in order to protect a fixed ecological order with interests that stand above those of humanity.”
The call for population-control measures to fight climate change is at its core, anti-human. As Zubrin continues, “Since all human activity must perforce release [carbon dioxide], all human existence is a crime against nature. Therefore nothing we can do is right — and so, in the name of the Higher Good, we must be constrained to do as little as possible. Thus, the global warming argument recasts the basic Malthusian line in a novel form, but with the equivalent end result. Instead of claiming that human activity must be limited because there are not enough resources, it is said that what is limited is not resources, but the right to use resources. It all amounts to the same thing: there isn’t enough to go around, therefore human aspirations must be crushed.”
The Armageddon scenarios put forward by climate change alarmists are greatly exaggerated. Even if global population growth had not slowed, the human impact on climate has simply been too small to reliably measure against background variation. As long as human beings know how to innovate and apply those innovations to technology, “overpopulation” will never be a significant issue. Fear of climate change has, unfortunately, already led to the adoption of a plethora of taxes, regulations, and subsidies aimed at reducing carbon emissions. It doesn’t need to lead to population control as well.
Timothy Benson (tbenson@heartland.org) is a policy analyst with The Heartland Institute, a free-market think tank headquartered in Arlington Heights, Illinois.
82 Comments on "Climate Alarmists: Abort Your ‘Extra’ Children"
onlooker on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 5:35 am
Heartland Institute = Republican. Sure AGW is not real nor those giant methane blowouts holes nor an Arctic sea becoming ice-free. Nor the melting glaciers. See hear and speak no evil. Go ahead have children and condemn them to no future. Wake me up when I am on the other side
Davy on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 7:06 am
“The Armageddon scenarios put forward by climate change alarmists are greatly exaggerated.”
I don’t think the science is in on that yet.
“Even if global population growth had not slowed”
UUh, slowed? Nothing has slowed and what about what we have currently?
“As long as human beings know how to innovate and apply those innovations to technology, “overpopulation” will never be a significant issue. “
Innovation and adaptation have limits and suffer diminishing returns. It is still a finite planet. Overpopulation is the issue all others revolve around. Too many people mean solutions are unattainable. It is those who disregard the overpopulation predicament that are will never find solutions of any kind. More of the same will not work in overpopulation.
“Fear of climate change has, unfortunately, already led to the adoption of a plethora of taxes, regulations, and subsidies aimed at reducing carbon emissions. It doesn’t need to lead to population control as well. “
It is likely no efforts at traditional adaptations are going to make much of a difference if we refuse to address core issues. Population control is a lost cause. This is all about lifeboats and hospices but with the understanding we don’t know the time frame and degree and duration of decline and decay ahead. This means drastic efforts could be worse than nothing.
The most important action is recognizing we are trapped. It is only acceptance that can allow reasonable decisions. Society, like this author and his people, have no chance of making this leap of faith because society and status quo’ers, like the author, are “all in”. They will self-destruct without the status quo normality along with the status quo.
You on the other hand if enlightened personally can make other arrangements. The option is also yours to take your chances on a false normality with the self-destruction potential of dramatic change. Nothing is scarier than your life system failing. Failure from lies and lies realized are the most painful. To see all you have done in life as a lie is hell on earth.
On the other hand living in the sweet bliss of deception has its merits in the here and now. To live cavalier and nonchalant has its merits since we have little understanding of this destructive process ahead. Some will be lucky enough to realize a full life in a lie. That is the wonderful thing about being human and in a world such as ours. You can live a lie. Our ancestors could not but we can.
I personally like to see things based on truth and reality no matter how nasty and harsh. That is just my nature. Realizing that the nature of the status quo is denial means a choice between denial or truth. The status quo is “all in” because it has no choice. This is how the status quo survives. Since the status quo is “all in” we will have people and groups like the author that are completely delusional to reality. It is the nature of human narratives and the new human existentialism of our late term civilization. You can live differently if lies don’t agree with you. If the truth is paramount then live different from the status quo just remember there is no transcendence only the sweet but harsh feeling of living the truth.
onlooker on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 7:16 am
Yes, the status quo IS delusional reality. That has become its main characteristic. I, too wish to see things precisely as they are.
the status quo ie. delusional reality is like a person standing on the train tracks as the train is approaching muttering to themselves
“everything is okay, everything is okay,”
chelsea matchtröja on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 7:31 am
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Cloggie on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 7:42 am
Climate Alarmists: Abort Your ‘Extra’ Children
This message will only be followed up by those (white) people who already have (catastrophic) declining birthrates, which Apneatard of course loves.
If you are a real cynical environmentalist (and there are quite a few here on this board, I’m not), you should applaud collapsing white birth rates. The number of non-whites able to survive are proportional with the number of whites that survive. Several countries are kept alive by food exports from North-America for starters (Egypt!).
If white civilization collapses, everything in Africa and the Middle-East will collapse with it, back to carrying capacity.
Nice to see all these people with names like Gloria Steinem, Robert Zubrin and Paul Ehrlich having ideas about white birth rates (spoiler: the fewer the better).
Robert Zubrin, in his book Merchants of Despair, writes “this idea [that] humans are cancer upon the Earth, a horde of vermin whose unconstrained aspirations and appetites are endangering the natural order
Now we know where the TalmudTard got his ideas from, from his fellow tribesman ubrin. We discussed this creep back in 2012, when I still believed that peak oil was acute:
http://peakoil.com/publicpolicy/a-world-without-the-united-states-who-would-fill-the-void
Thu, 19th Apr 2012 11:41 am
The only population control we need in the west is keeping invaders out and confront those (hi George Soros and hi Apneaman!) who want open borders.
Bleeding heart liberals can join the Red Cross or similar organizations and help in Africa.
makati1 on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 7:46 am
Onlooker, I have grand kids and a few greats that probably will never see 50. Anyone currently bringing children into this world is going to suffer heartbreak when it all goes to hell. Some here don’t want to hear it. They are the ones on the track chanting: “everything is okay, everything is okay.” Many Americans especially have the mindset that nothing can destroy the “exceptional” country. Too bad. Delusions are rampant in the West.
Bill from pa on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 8:49 am
Good advice whether or not climate change is an issue.
joe on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 9:00 am
Cloggie is right in his view of the food chain for humans, basically the US feeds about half the world, for example the Arabs and Persians would be dead in a year if the 3 or 4 countries cut off their supplies of wheat corn and beef etc. They of course would cut off their oil etc but you what, I would rather eat than drive. America, China and Russia feed the world between them.
onlooker on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 10:13 am
Canada is the fifth largest exporter of agricultural and agri-food products in the world after the EU, U.S., Brazil, and China.
Joe, Clog and our Canadian friends may correct you so I will preempt them. We don’t want feelings hurt
onlooker on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 10:13 am
Stat from this link http://cafta.org/agri-food-exports/
Cloggie on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 10:28 am
http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-american-food-giant-the-largest-exporter-of-food-in-the-world.html
Largest Food Exports By Country
1..United States…$149,122,000,000.00
2..Netherlands……$92,845,387,781.00
3..Germany……….$86,826,895,514.00
4..Brazil………..$78,819,969,000.00
5..France………..$74,287,121,198.00
6..China…………$63,490,864,000.00
7..Spain…………$50,960,954,460.00
8..Canada………..$49,490,302,612.00
9..Belgium……….$43,904,482,740.00
10..Italy………..$43,756,176,567.00
jawagord on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 10:44 am
Edible tulip bulbs?
“”Here, again, it is important to note the difference between volume production and high-value production. The Netherlands is a tiny country; its presence on the list is to the high value of flowers and live plants (the Netherlands supply two-thirds of the global total) and vegetables (the Netherlands is a leading supplier of tomatoes and chilies).
When it comes to the staples that feed the world (rice, corn, wheat, beans, lentils and animal proteins), countries like the United States, Germany, Canada, Brazil and Thailand feature more prominently.”
http://www.investopedia.com/financial-edge/0712/top-agricultural-producing-countries.aspx
Sissyfuss on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 11:16 am
Capitalism needs customers plain and simple. And the business mentality sees the environment as a resource base and landfill, nothing more. Trump embodies this philosophy. OT, Trump signs on to do a new sitcom starring him and daughter Ivanka. It’s called ” Father Knows Chest.”
Davy on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 11:24 am
Jaw, clog has a small country complex. He always has to talk himself up with numbers and figures. No matter if they are properly explained or scaled in relevance.
Kenz300 on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 11:51 am
Look around at all the poverty, suffering and despair in the world. Yet the worlds population grows by 80 million more mouths to feed, clothe and house every year.
Cloggie on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 12:23 pm
Edible tulip bulbs?
Nope. Total Dutch agrarian export 85 billion euro. Plants, flowers “merely 8.5 billion”. You can btw eat tulip bulbs. Everybody in Amsterdam did it in 1944, when Holland was in the process of being added to the US empire.
https://www.cbs.nl/nl-nl/nieuws/2017/03/export-landbouw-stijgt-met-ruim-4-procent
After the Fourth Turning and subsequent dissolution of the American Empire (and America), the Dutch will be the global #1 in agricultural exports.
http://peakoil.com/publicpolicy/the-fourth-turning-a-summer-of-rage-and-the-total-eclipse-of-the-deep-state
Cloggie on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 12:36 pm
Jaw, clog has a small country complex. He always has to talk himself up with numbers and figures. No matter if they are properly explained or scaled in relevance.
We may be a small country but I can assure you we have no (inferiority) complexes.
Fortunately we have you around to “explain the figures properly and scaled in relevance”.
We are all ears.
I’m very curious to learn how you explain these embarrassing figures. Embarrassing not for us. I thought that we Europeans were all “whine drinking pussies” who look bad in comparison with “gutsy Americans”…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO1agIlLlhg
… at least so I was informed by Davy.
But I’m sure I’m overlooking something.
GregT on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 1:09 pm
“clog has a small country complex.”
While Cloggie may have been born into one of the world’s smaller tax farms, like all of us, he had no choice in the matter. At least his tax farmers aren’t hell bent on global domination, mass murder, and bankrupting their tax farm in the process, like the owners of one of the larger tax farms.
You Don't Want to Know Me on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 1:16 pm
“I thought that we Europeans were all “whine drinking pussies””.
No, you’re fish belly white, pasty faced, poorly conditioned, knock kneed, weak, snaggle toothed, subprime editions of the human herd.
Davy on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 2:07 pm
Hi greg, you have a small country complex also hence your rabid anti-Americanism disguised by a stupid tax farm explanation. Your nationalism runs very deep and is evident by your pricking. You jealously can’t stand Americans and prick them whenever the opportunity arises because of your small country complex.
GregT on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 2:49 pm
Hi Davy,
Just because you are completely dillusional, and hopelessly brainwashed, does not mean that everyone else is. If nothing else, your fantasies are amusing.
Davy on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 2:55 pm
Hey, greg, let’s see how long are you going to prick today? Lol. I guess the dog walking and watering in the greenhouse is finished and now you are bored. That’s when your pricking obsession kicks in. I got all day greg. To bad others here get tired of your pricking.l
GregT on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 3:09 pm
“I got all day greg.”
Must be awfully boring. Ever thought about settling down with a good woman and starting a family? Kept me more than occupied for the better part of 25 years.
Cloggie on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 3:27 pm
No, you’re fish belly white, pasty faced, poorly conditioned, knock kneed, weak, snaggle toothed, subprime editions of the human herd.
TalmudTurd again in his embarrassingly simple-to-see-through “disguise” and his pathological relentless war against the white race.
You Don't Want to Know Me on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 4:45 pm
“TalmudTurd again in his embarrassingly simple-to-see-through “disguise” and his pathological relentless war against the white race.”
LOL – right. But, wrong. I ain’t jewish fuck face.
Davy on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 5:19 pm
“Must be awfully boring.” I have been busy all day greg. The difference is I have cell reception and you don’t. I can work and respond to your pricking anywhere I am working.
Theedrich on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 7:08 pm
So. Mr. “independent” counsel is Comey’s BFF. How nice. Now we can expect an “impartial” report from Bobbie Mueller on Trump’s “collusion” with Mr. Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin. Thus the Demonic Party hirelings of Georg Sörös can do more screeching about the evil Trump. And Georgie’s street thugs can do more rioting and stage more mock assassinations of the president. Add to this the Marxist judges of the Ninth Circuit Court and elsewhere who want to destroy the U.S.
It is clear that the U.S. Constitution is a suicide pact of the White race. This should have been clear from the Civil War of 1861-65, never mind its sequels of the two World Wars against the only country that sought to further White civilization. All of which were waged under the camouflage of high and mighty moral principles as propagandized by Christianity.
The destruction of the biosphere in the name of “helping the poor” and “defeating terrorism,” etc., even as a tsunami of dysgenic, low-IQ sludge from cloacal countries swamps Whiteland has now passed the point of no return. In America, the wholly owned Demonic subsidiary of multi-billionaire kikes and crony capitalists is weakly opposed only by a discordant Republican Party half composed of egomaniacs with no interest in stopping the slide down the drain.
It is historical irony that a minuscule nation of starvlings on the western edge of the Pacific is now beginning to threaten even the very existence of the “indispensable nation.”
makati1 on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 7:54 pm
GregT, Davy thinks he is ‘working’ if he can take time to prove his ignorance from any location and at any time. But then, 1%ers have never really worked a day in their lives. lol
GregT on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 8:11 pm
Working and writing six paragraph long diatribes are mutually exclusive Davy. One or the other. You’re either busy working, or you are not.
GregT on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 8:14 pm
And Davy,
If you were working for me, I’d fire your sorry ass.
Apneaman on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 8:21 pm
The above loop was repeated countless thousands of times during the millions of years that we were evolving[9]. This behavior is inherent in the architecture of our minds — is entrained in our biological material — and will be repeated until we go extinct.
http://www.dieoff.org/
The humans are puppets of forces most are unable to comprehend, nor want to, because the thought that nothing matters leads to misery for 99.99%. Instead they cling to their stories – politics, race, nationalism, religion (techno & supernatural) and it always boils down to base tribalism and a Manichean world view. This primitive emotional need is just another part of your biological programming as a highly social primate. You are not choosing anything.
The humans are in the last lap of the overshoot loop. The laws of physics, chemistry and biology will abort all your children, kin folk, nation and species. I don’t find this fact the least bit alarming. In fact, it’s fucking hilarious and I bet it has played out this way many times in this universe and probably others too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH2w6Oxx0kQ
Davy on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 8:47 pm
I love how I pissed the prick off and the makati. Couldn’t happen to more deserving sluts. Lol
GregT on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 9:00 pm
I love how I pissed the prick off and the makati.
More Davy dillusions. Just because you have anger management issues, doesn’t automatically mean that everyone else does. While I can’t speak for Makati, I must admit, I find you to be quite amusing, and sorry for you at the same time.
GregT on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 9:02 pm
BTW Davy,
Just out of curiosity, have you gotten the boys to bed yet?
Apneaman on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 9:05 pm
How Death Is Already Pulling Your Strings with Sheldon Solomon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycKhwfEUaBk
Davy on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 9:08 pm
greg, two angry comments, yea, got ya slut.
GregT on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 9:13 pm
🙂
DerHundistlos on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 9:16 pm
Hairy Clogged {a.k.a. better out than in},
Where were you born? Did you previously participate on this forum using a different screen name?
Apneaman on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 9:37 pm
Mainland Miami looks at moving neighborhood as the sea rises
“Government officials in South Florida are looking at redesigning the Shorecrest neighborhood by returning some areas now covered by homes to nature rather than reinforcing them with sea walls or other infrastructure. Even though the riverfront neighborhood sits miles from Biscayne Bay, it already is regularly flooding with bay water when the moon is full and the tide gets unusually high, the Miami Herald reports (http://hrld.us/2sQKBWg ).
Local projections show a mean sea level rise of 6 feet (1.8 meters) by 2100, and the neighborhood is barely 3 feet (less than 1 meter) above sea level. It is filled with a mix of middle-class and high-end homes.
The idea of demolishing properties and allowing the seas to reclaim areas is controversial, but Miami’s chief resiliency officer Jane Gilbert says the city is going to need to learn to live with water as well as gird infrastructure against it.”
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/article155567734.html
makati1 on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 9:45 pm
GregT, I share your thoughts and feelings about Davy, He is amusing and a pitiful person. I guess it is just his 1%er upbringing and the constant propaganda brainwashing by his government. Pathetic.
Davy on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 9:52 pm
i thought I was on your ignore list. I guess I got to you too. I can understand why you feel pathetic:
Apneaman on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 10:07 pm
DerHundistlos, clog is a Dutch Hunger baby.
Surprising Lessons From the Children Who Survived a Famine During the Deadliest War in History
“It was the middle of terrible famine known as the Dutch Hunger Winter. World War II was nearing an end and Allied forces were able to push the German army out of the southern half of the Netherlands. As the Nazi’s retreated, however, they destroyed docks and bridges, flooded the farm lands, and set up blockades in the northern half of the country to cut off shipments of food and fuel. What little food had been stockpiled and saved was nearly impossible to transport. Starving and without options, many people ate tulip bulbs and sugar beets.”
http://jamesclear.com/hunger-winter-stress
If the age he told us he was last year (72) is correct, he was in the womb when the Nazi caused Dutch famine was underway. It ended when the allies, lead by the Canadians, first risked their lives with extremely dangerous low flying food drops then liberated the Netherlands by kicking Nazi ass from D Day onward. For the Canadians it was just a continuation of all the German ass whopping they did in WWI – pretty much every time they clashed.
Clog is a wanna be German national – and probably the son of a Nazi sympathizer and collaborator. This is why he is so pissed about his, ‘do no wrong’ Nazi Germany and their defeat and humiliation. He has devoted everyday of his life to righting these perceived wrongs by spreading the ALEX FUCKING JONES et al gospel. The malnutrition while mom was pregnant with him is the most likely explanation for his cognitive short comings and frequent delusions. Happened to many other Dutch babies, but they never went on a lifetime revenge crusade like poor old clog. I suspect that it’s what motivates the old fuck. He definitely puts in the time. A real trooper.
Cloggie on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 11:32 pm
It is sad to see how this site is deteriorating from citing noble facts, like splendid Dutch agricultural export figures, making a mockery of the rest of the world and big countries in particular, into a shouting match of desperate old leftist guys, who know very well that their countries can only dream of these export figures, waiting for years now for terrible events to happen, that won’t happen in their life time, like peak oil or climate change, but will be totally surprised by the 4th turning. At least TheOildrum knew how to stop gracefully.
makati1 on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 11:35 pm
Davy, your mind is slipping, if you have one. I have not been ‘ignoring’ you for about 6 months now and you just realized it? Does insanity run in your 1%er family? Seems like it does, if you are an example. Running out of ‘smart’ rebuttals? Need so real facts to hold up your flag waving while the U$ goes down the shitter? How about:
“”Nobody In Power Is Paying Attention To How Close We Are To The Edge””
“Record “Wealth” In America? 72% Of US Businesses Are Not Profitable”
“Steen Jakobsen: 60% Probability Of Recession In The Next 18 Months” (We never left the last one.)
“Airport security lines may get longer ahead of the summer season as TSA tests tighter security” (Police State)
“Rallies against Islamic law draw counter-protests across U.S.”
“Protests erupt after police shoot, kill Tulsa man”
“Retail Apocalypse: Up to 10,000 U.S. stores will shut down in 2017”
“All Of This Is Being Recorded: “Where We Shop, Where We Work, When We Commute… A Camera Always Filming”(Police State)
“Walmart and Amazon Know the Terrible Truth: The American Middle Class Is Dying” (Its still growing in Asia.)
Just a sample of America’s “exceptionalism”. LMAO
makati1 on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 11:39 pm
Cloggie, we also get tired of your bullshit. A little speck of a country that would not exist if there were no ‘big’ countries protecting it. Metro New York City, or Manila, has more people than your whole arrogant country.
makati1 on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 11:40 pm
BTW: The Dutch brought the greed and money grubbing habit to North America and spread it from what is now NYC. Thanks. NOT!
Cloggie on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 11:52 pm
Do you have an explanation makati why your country of 330 million and 10 million km2 has an agricultural export of the same order of a little speck of a country of 17 million and 0.04 million km2?
Could it be that you all are hanging out on doomer forums shouting insults at each other instead of getting a decent job done?
Cloggie on Mon, 12th Jun 2017 11:57 pm
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/donald-trump-generalstaatsanwaelte-erheben-anklage-wegen-hotelgeschaeften-a-1151806.html
And yes, these Beavis and Butthead are going to prosecute Trump for corruption. Something to do with Trump leading his presidential guests to his own hotels.
It is a bit like on this forum: everybody going after each others throat rather than working their own agricultural export figures. So sad.
makati1 on Tue, 13th Jun 2017 1:10 am
Cloggie, cherry picking does not prove anything. You are a postage stamp country pretending to be equal to your protectors. I guess your country exported more than more than the 132 million mt of grain last year that the U$ did?
http://www.powderbulksolids.com/news/US-Grain-Exports-for-FY2016-at-Biggest-Level-in-35-Years-10-14-2016
“The European grain trade organization Coceral puts total Netherlands grains production at 1.543 million tonnes in 2016.” Oops! Look at the decimal location! Less than 2 million tonnes vs 132 million U$.
http://www.world-grain.com/Departments/Country%20Focus/Country%20Focus%20Home/Focus%20on%20the%20Netherlands.aspx?cck=1
Your country exports a lot of stuff that will have no value after the STHF and the need will be gone. Food, especially grains will ALWAYS have value. More so after the SHTF.
See what cherry picking can do? LOL
makati1 on Tue, 13th Jun 2017 1:11 am
BTW Cloggie, you will not be exporting that stuff after the SHTF. You will be using and eating it to stay alive.