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An Archdruid’s Tales by John Michael Greer
John Michael Greer is a longtime scholar of civilizational decline, and he’s noticed that when most people try to make sense of our current civilization’s inevitable fall, they succumb to an odd fallacy. A fair number of those who accept the impermanence of modern industrial society somehow seem to expect its demise to be abrupt and to conclude within their lifetimes, despite all the historical evidence showing civilizational decline to be gradual. To Greer, this expectation of sudden doom has an obvious emotional appeal, namely the fact that it absolves one from having to do something about humanity’s crisis. When you believe the world is just about to go up in one big, spectacular explosion, what’s the point in changing the way you live in an effort to reduce your burden on the planet? This same logic drives those who believe in a future of perpetual betterment: If you think everything is going to work out fine, there’s likewise no use in taking action.
In his anthology An Archdruid’s Tales, Greer seeks to use fiction, together with a few nonfiction forays into future scenarios, as a means of painting a more accurate picture of what lies ahead for industrial civilization. These pieces vary in their approaches. One of them, a series of linked fictional vignettes that began as weekly blog posts, uses a sort of “snapshot” effect to underscore the multigenerational time spans at play in the process of decline. Each of its parts is set 50 years further into the future than the one before it, the time lapses bringing slow changes into sharp focus. Another story that started as serials on the same blog, The Archdruid Report, uses the framework of a long journey to show how conditions can vary greatly from one community to the next at any given point in the fall of a civilization. There are even two brilliant fictional news stories aimed at satirizing various articles of faith about humanity’s future.
The collection of snapshot vignettes is titled “Winter’s Tales.” Its opening scene takes place on Christmas Eve 2050, in the home of a family joyously preparing for the evening’s festivities. Daily life in this future would seem dystopian to most present-day readers. The climate is inexorably heating up, disease mortality is soaring, basic necessities are prohibitively expensive by today’s standards, long-distance travel has become the privilege of the rich and widespread access to television and the Internet is a thing of the past. Yet this family is in good spirits because things used to be far worse, plus they’ve begun to stabilize of late (in keeping with the theme of an uneven, drawn-out descent). Food may be expensive, but at least there’s plenty of it to go around. Industries that involve recycling are booming, providing both parents with gainful employment for the foreseeable future. And inflation has come down from its crazy highs from before the last currency reform.
The remaining two vignettes capture pivotal moments in the history of the same family over the next century. The second one picks up in 2100, by which time the family’s town is a dust bowl in which water is so scarce that even hand washing is considered wasteful. America has inflated its currency into worthlessness and broken into several new countries. Today’s consumer culture is long gone, Christianity has mostly given way to a handful of nature-centered faiths, people have forgotten how to keep the few remaining machines running and previously discarded technologies like blacksmithing and the slide rule are being revived en masse.
The final chapter of this narrative takes place in 2150. The local climate has turned tropical and Antarctica has been settled and found to have sizeable gold deposits in its newly thawed ground. Christianity is dead, the English language isn’t far behind and there’s been a great blending of the races we know today. At one point we pass through a festival scene that captivatingly melds modern American culture (in the form of Western classical instruments) with sights out of a traditional village celebration (with scantily clad villagers of every age group gathering to feast and carouse after praying to their deities). As a second aside, this last vignette also contains the culmination of what for me is the most satisfying character arc, that of a reluctant child prodigy (a grandchild of the mother and father depicted in part one) turned village elder who’s charged with ensuring that the “Old Time” texts remain relevant in 2150.
“Adam’s Story” is the book’s second excursion into fiction. It’s a travel narrative that takes us through several disparate lands, some long abandoned, others clinging to life and still others vibrant and bustling. This panorama is clearly meant to put across the points that different locales descend the arc of decline at different rates, and that at any given juncture, each is likely to be faring a little differently depending on its own particular situation. The titular character wanders through ghost towns that were once popular tourist destinations and fishing ports, in the days when tourism was still alive and the oceans still plentifully stocked with fish. At the opposite extreme is the thriving harbor town where Adam and a companion he picks up along the way come to settle, which still has access to hydroelectricity, maritime trade, a diversified economy and a lively local folk culture.
Though all of the fictional pieces in An Archdruid’s Tales have their touching moments, for me the most poignant are in “Adam’s Story.” The friend Adam acquires during his journey is a Japanese woman named Haruko, who has fled her home country’s desperate conditions in search of a better life across the Pacific. At one point, the two come to a refugee checkpoint. Thinking fast, Adam claims that Haruko is his wife, and to prove it, he digs out his late wife’s wedding ring and places it on Haruko’s finger. Luckily, it fits. Asked by a still-suspicious guard why he had the ring stowed in his bag, he says it was to avoid being targeted by robbers. The ploy works. Afterward, Haruko asks Adam if he wants the ring back, he responds that he quite likes it where it is now, Haruko says she does as well—and we, for our part, are unable to suppress a charmed grin.
My second-favorite scene comes once Adam and Haruko have established themselves in their new community. Things are going swimmingly, but they sense that others are on eggshells around them, afraid to voice their suspicions about Haruko’s citizenship status. Then one day Haruko finds herself party to a Grange meeting discussing what to do about dwindling crop yields. It seems crops are failing at an accelerating rate due to the increasingly hot, wet climate, which is flooding fields. Haruko proposes they turn the fields into rice paddies, and while the suggestion is well taken, one man feels compelled to caution her against letting on where she learned about growing rice paddies; “I think we’re all gonna agree that you learned about rice in California or someplace, okay?” he counsels her. He and the others know they’re breaking the law by harboring a refugee, but it’s in their best interests to look the other way.
There is one somewhat oddball entry titled “How it Could Happen.” The reason why this one doesn’t quite fit the overall theme of the collection is that it deals with the toppling of an empire, as opposed to that of the larger civilization within which the empire exists. In his other writings, Greer has stressed that the collapse of an empire is an entirely different process from the waning of a civilization, one that transpires over months or years, not lifetimes. It’s sheer coincidence that right now we’re simultaneously facing the fall of the American empire and the ebbing of industrial civilization. But none of this makes “How it Could Happen” any less enjoyable. It’s a plausible, compelling account of how the United States could lose its empire status and eventually dissolve. Greer has gone on to expand it into an engrossing and well researched, if depressing, thriller novel titled Twilight’s Last Gleaming, which takes inspiration from the military techno-thrillers of Tom Clancy.
This book’s final part is a fascinating grab bag titled “Essays and Fictions.” As alluded to in its title, the entries in this section aren’t really fiction, in the sense of being made up of scenes following narrative arcs. One is a thought experiment inviting readers to imagine a hypothetical future situation, while another two are high-level synopses of future histories. The remaining two are cunning works of “faux-journalism” (to use Greer’s term): an “obituary” of Man, Conqueror of Nature, following his death from a petroleum overdose, and a satire on modern assumptions of human immutability titled “Atlantis Won’t Sink, Experts Agree.”
In the hands of a lesser author, this collection could have easily wound up being insufferably didactic, with the fictional characters blatantly spelling out the book’s themes in their dialogue and thoughts, and the nonfiction pieces making their points equally inartfully. But Greer, whose capacities for great storytelling and persuasive writing are as vast as his intellect, has regaled us with a set of moving tales that couldn’t feel more natural in their incorporation of ideology into their narratives, peppered with essays that sing just as beautifully.
44 Comments on "An Archdruid’s Tales by John Michael Greer"
Sissyfuss on Mon, 6th Jul 2020 8:55 am
Greer’s writing seem to ignore exponential change, probably because that iteration of his tales would be so condensed it could be contained on a few pages.
FamousDrScanlon on Mon, 6th Jul 2020 1:35 pm
Greer? Sounds familiar. Hey isn’t he the headmaster at Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry?
No one makes better predictions than Wizards.
Hello on Mon, 6th Jul 2020 1:52 pm
>>> Christianity is dead, the English language isn’t far behind
english will banned in the next few years as being the language of the slaver. Spanish will be be banned as the language of the conquistador.
I guess we have to adapt to negro grunts.
What does “pass me a coconut” mean in negro grunt? Bong-da-bung-coco-uga-uga?
FamousDrScanlon on Mon, 6th Jul 2020 2:13 pm
Christianity is dead. Killed by capitalism. I was there when they lobbied for & won ‘Sunday Shopping’. Beginning of the end. Sunday shopping brought to you exclusively by conservative white men in suits.
Jesus wants you to ReFi your mortgage & shop shop shop. No more day of rest & worship. Henceforth ye shall only do what’s best for the economy.
zero juan on Mon, 6th Jul 2020 2:41 pm
Idiot juanPee shit:
FamousDrScanlon said Christianity is dead. Killed by capitalism. I was…
FamousDrScanlon said Nobody splains the world better than frail old whi…
FamousDrScanlon said Greer? Sounds familiar. Hey isn’t he the hea…
Davy said “This place is stupid” So true juanPee. So true. W…
JuanP said This place is stupid Miami-Dade Closes Restaurants…
Abraham van Helsing on Mon, 6th Jul 2020 2:54 pm
“Christianity is dead. Killed by capitalism. I was there when they lobbied for & won ‘Sunday Shopping’. Beginning of the end. Sunday shopping brought to you exclusively by conservative white men in suits.“
Oh please… God was killed by science. People as early as Newton realized that God was a superfluous hypotheses, displaced by a scientific world view.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_is_dead
But this is way out of scope for the good dr. His worldview is limited to malls, sunday shopping, conservatives and Trump. 1-dimensional chap.
JuanP on Mon, 6th Jul 2020 3:30 pm
Criminal left:
“Racist” College Researcher Ousted After Sharing Study Showing No Racial Bias In Police Shootings
The vice president of Research and Innovation at Michigan State University, physicist Stephen Hsu, has been forced out of his position at the university after daring to show actual facts from a 2019 study that show there to be no racial bias in incidents of police shootings.
Hsu wrote on his blog on Sunday that “The [Graduate Employees Union] alleged that I am a racist because I interviewed MSU Psychology professor Joe Cesario, who studies police shootings.”
“Cesario’s work…is essential to understanding deadly force and how to improve policing,” Hsu said.
Cesario’s 2019 study found “that the race of the officer doesn’t matter when it comes to predicting whether black or white citizens are shot.”
The conclusion of the study was that “contrary to activist claims and media reports, there is no widespread racial bias in police shootings.”
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/racist-college-researcher-ousted-after-sharing-study-showing-no-racial-bias-police
Lunatic Davy zero IQ shit on Mon, 6th Jul 2020 3:33 pm
zero juan on Mon, 6th Jul 2020 2:41 pm
JuanP on Mon, 6th Jul 2020 3:30 pm
zero juan on Mon, 6th Jul 2020 3:46 pm
juanPee, I thought your depression was going to prevent you from commenting today. Did your meds kick in?
Lunatic Davy zero IQ shit on Mon, 6th Jul 2020 3:33 pm
zero juan on Mon, 6th Jul 2020 2:41 pm
JuanP on Mon, 6th Jul 2020 3:30 pm
JuanP on Mon, 6th Jul 2020 3:50 pm
Yet another failed liberal city:
New York City Suffers Highest Number Of June Shootings In Over 20 Years
The New York Post reported that during a certain period of time following the New York City Police Department’s move to break up a plainclothes unit of approximately 600 officers on June 15, the amount of shootings was about three times greater than during the same time period in 2019. And more shootings occurred in June 2020 than in any June since 1996, the New York Post reported, citing the New York City Police Department. Officers from the disbanded unit were to be reassigned, the outlet previously reported. “Without having this tool it will be much harder to tackle rising felony crimes, ‘shots fired’ jobs and the growing number of illegal guns pouring into the neighborhoods,” NYPD Sgt. Joseph Imperatrice, a former unit supervisor said according to the Post. Commissioner Dermot Shea during a recent interview was asked about the reason for high crime levels. “It’s bail reform. It’s COVID. It’s emptying out prisons,” he said, noting that “one of the most frustrating pieces right now is a criminal justice system that is just not working. And I’m calling on Albany to fix it. Fix it now.” “I met with the five district attorneys of New York City last week on this issue. We have thousands and thousands of cases backlogged,” Shea said during the interview. President Trump on Sunday called out the cities of Chicago and New York for their high shooting numbers, and said that the federal government stands ready to assist if leaders ask for help. Chicago and New York City crime numbers are way up. 67 people shot in Chicago, 13 killed. Shootings up significantly in NYC where people are demanding that @NYGovCuomo & @NYCMayor act now. Federal Government ready, willing and able to help, if asked!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 5, 2020
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/new-york-city-suffers-highest-number-june-shootings-over-20-years
More from Davy the Lunatic on Mon, 6th Jul 2020 4:04 pm
zero juan on Mon, 6th Jul 2020 3:46 pm
JuanP on Mon, 6th Jul 2020 3:50 pm
zero juan on Mon, 6th Jul 2020 4:35 pm
juanPee, did your depression improve so you can comment?
More from Davy the Lunatic on Mon, 6th Jul 2020 4:04 pm
zero juan on Mon, 6th Jul 2020 3:46 pm
JuanP on Mon, 6th Jul 2020 3:50 pm
FamousDrScanlon on Mon, 6th Jul 2020 4:42 pm
Trumps alternate plan to building The Wall.
Mexico Closes US Border As COVID Cases Soar
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/mexican-residents-erect-vehicle-blockade-border-covid-explodes-arizona
“In the last four days, 15 states have reported record increases in new coronavirus cases, resulting in at least 40% of the U.S. pausing or reversing reopenings. Cases are particularly surging in Arizona, California, Florida, and Texas, as the world watches in disbelief. The international community is alarmed about the major upswing in infections, with European officials maintaining the US traveler ban and now even America’s southern neighbor is putting up walls. Officials in Sonora, Mexico moved quickly to slam the border shut before the start of the July Fourth weekend, traditionally a peak tourism time as Americans flock south to celebrate, the Arizona Daily Star reported. Officials have not announced a reopening date.”
Go Trump!
on the moderated side on Mon, 6th Jul 2020 4:53 pm
Re: China is finished… This is the End of China
Postby REAL Green » Mon 06 Jul 2020, 16:52:31
JuanP wrote:
Trade along the Belt and Road Initiative continues to experience explosive growth in spite of the pandemic and the global economic crisis.
REAL Green wrote:
Global Times is a Chinese rag, JuanP, of course they are going to say that. The reality is the whole BRI endeavor will be a massive haircut for the Chinese. Venezuela comes to mind as a good example except on steroids.
realgreenadaptat
FamousDrScanlon on Mon, 6th Jul 2020 4:56 pm
Pay attention halfwit. I never post the link & put the quote after it. I always bold the headline too.
Mexico Closes US Border In Arizona As COVID Cases Soar
““In the last four days, 15 states have reported record increases in new coronavirus cases, resulting in at least 40% of the U.S. pausing or reversing reopenings. Cases are particularly surging in Arizona, California, Florida, and Texas, as the world watches in disbelief. The international community is alarmed about the major upswing in infections, with European officials maintaining the US traveler ban and now even America’s southern neighbor is putting up walls. Officials in Sonora, Mexico moved quickly to slam the border shut before the start of the July Fourth weekend, traditionally a peak tourism time as Americans flock south to celebrate, the Arizona Daily Star reported. Officials have not announced a reopening date.”
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/mexican-residents-erect-vehicle-blockade-border-covid-explodes-arizona
And you wonder why no one will hire you? Unemployed due to being unemployable.
zero juan on Mon, 6th Jul 2020 5:05 pm
Sock lying troll:
FamousDrScanlon on Mon, 6th Jul 2020 4:56 pm
Pay attention halfwit. I never post the link & put the quote after it. I always bold the headline too.
You better go over to the moderated side where you have protection.
FamousDrScanlon on Mon, 6th Jul 2020 5:37 pm
Pay attention halfwis
Trump Blames NASCAR’s “Lowest Ratings Ever” On Flag Decision & Bubba Wallace “Hoax””
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-blames-nascars-lowest-ratings-ever-flag-decision-bubba-wallace-hoax
“In a tweet that is sure to outrage the outrage mob even more, President Trump took aim at what many would consider one of his base’s favorite sports – NASCAR.”
The humanity…
FamousDrScanlon on Mon, 6th Jul 2020 5:41 pm
Van fudge packer, were you & your family living here & attending church regularly when Sunday shopping was rolled out in the 80’s to witness church attendance drop? I was & I did.
You’re confused little man. No one on this side of the pond gives a shit about Europe except the MIC bitches. Notice how you are the only one here bringing boring ass eurotard news up? What you has-beens think & do over there is not the least bit important to any of our lives. Zero impact & boring as hell. You’re too desperate for attention & acknowledgement to see it. Sad lonely old euro-boy from another irrelevant euro country. It’s been what? 400 years since your country mattered? If you believed even a fraction of you self aggrandizing superior euro culture horse shit you would be on euro blogs swapping ‘ain’t we awesome’ stories with other dutch boys & in your native language instead of attention seeking on foreign blogs in a foreign tongue.
REAL Green on Mon, 6th Jul 2020 6:03 pm
Were not a halfwit FamousDrScanlon. Were bearly a tenthwit.
JuanP on Mon, 6th Jul 2020 6:13 pm
I had the pleasure of working with hundreds of young Japanese, mostly women, when I helped train Yoga teachers. I helped train thousands of teachers from all over the world over a handful of years. I would interact with them 6 days a week from sunrise to sunset for 8 consecutive weeks. I found the experience absolutely fascinating. The Japanese were always the best students, with a discipline, perseverance, and willpower that set them apart from the rest.
JuanP on Mon, 6th Jul 2020 6:17 pm
I was just telling my wife yesterday that I would very willingly give my arms, legs, tongue, eyes, ears, nuts, and dick to experience life like normal people do for just one hour to know what it feels like. I have been a seriously depressed realist since I have a memory. My first memory of my life is of leaning against a tree alone in my kindergarten’s playground looking at all the other kids playing, thinking how stupid their behavior was, and wondering why I wasn’t like them. I basically don’t interact with normal people anymore. They have nothing to offer me and I don’t want to give them anything.
Davy on Mon, 6th Jul 2020 6:17 pm
We don’t care about your stupid yoga shit juanPee. Go back to yer failed sud American shitwhole and get the fuck out of my country.
Davy on Mon, 6th Jul 2020 6:19 pm
I had the pleasure of working with hundreds of young goats, mostly males, when I helped train liberalfag Goat-Yoga teachers from St. Louis. I helped several teachers from all over Missouri over a handful of years. I would interact with the goats 6 days a week from sunrise to sunset for 8 consecutive weeks. I found the experience absolutely erotic. The goats were always the best, with a beauty, perseverance, and grace that set them apart from the rest.
JuanP on Mon, 6th Jul 2020 6:29 pm
I struggle with the fact that I belong to the same species; I find myself emotionally and intellectually incapable of accepting the fact. That is why I consider myself a sui generis individual rather than a human animal.
Davy on Mon, 6th Jul 2020 6:31 pm
Good fer you juanPee. Yer obv. not one of the dumbed down sheeple like we are.
REAL Green on Mon, 6th Jul 2020 6:33 pm
So true Davy. So true.
JuanP on Mon, 6th Jul 2020 6:39 pm
Go Trump! Anyone but Hillary! My wife and I are considering volunteering for the Trump campaign to fight the narcissistic, psychopathic bitch.
I think I could use my antisocial, psychopathic, sociopathic skills to convince people to vote for Trump. I can be very convincing when I want and I am excellent at manipulating people.
Davy on Mon, 6th Jul 2020 6:45 pm
So true juanPee. So true.
Trumps the greatest!
Cloggie on Tue, 7th Jul 2020 4:40 am
The more you look, the more you see.
Spectacular branching of a light bream in several, discrete subbranches:
https://www.rt.com/news/493567-light-flow-like-water-research-breakthrough/
This is in particular interest to me as I have spend the past 2 weeks with my old love physics only:
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2020/06/20/hendrik-antoon-lorentz/
…and browsing through all the old, original scientific texts of 1880-1920 era, the golden age of physics.
Probably will be sitting out the coming world crisis with my paid-off house, vegetable garden and my old physics and math books.
Cloggie on Tue, 7th Jul 2020 6:47 am
Europeans do what Europeans do best; innovating.
Meyer-Burger has the best solar equipment producing technology in the world and from now on intends to keep it for itself. No more selling to China of its machines (who will only copy it without paying for royalties), the Swiss are going to be the largest solar module equipment in the world:
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2020/07/07/meyer-burger-strategy-change/
It is probable that Meyer-Burger is realigning itself with changing geopolitics, Covid-19, the EU renewable energy policy and will produce in Germany, the world’s Renewable Energy Central. My money is on the success of the Swiss.
My hobby horse Dutch ASML should do exactly the same: no more selling of machines to the rest of the world, instead let Americans, Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, Russians and what have you, come to Holland and let them produce their micro-chips here, with leased machines, rather than machines sold and run the risk of subsequently being copied. And ascertain the EU a gigantic geopolitical leverage over these trouble makers.lol No micro-chips, no industrial society.
Dredd on Wed, 8th Jul 2020 5:22 pm
“John Michael Greer is a longtime scholar of civilizational decline, and he’s noticed that when most people try to make sense of our current civilization’s inevitable fall, they succumb to an odd fallacy. A fair number of those who accept the impermanence of modern industrial society somehow seem to expect its demise to be abrupt and to conclude within their lifetimes, despite all the historical evidence showing civilizational decline to be gradual.”
That is in agreement with Toynbee:
“In the Study Toynbee examined the rise and fall of 26 civilizations in the course of human history, and he concluded that they rose by responding successfully to challenges under the leadership of creative minorities composed of elite leaders. Civilizations declined when their leaders stopped responding creatively, and the civilizations then sank owing to the sins of nationalism, militarism, and the tyranny of a despotic minority.”
(Encyclopedia Britannica).
FamousDrScanlon on Wed, 8th Jul 2020 5:59 pm
How pandemics extinguished the Roman empire
What the fall of Rome teaches us about the twin threats of lethal disease and ecological disaster.
” As Kyle Harper writes, the fall of Rome may have been “the single greatest regression in all of human history”. In 1984, he tells us, a German classicist catalogued more than 200 explanations of this regression. Military over-reach, increasing reliance on slave labour, excessive spending and taxation to pay for a decadent diet of “bread and circuses”, and the rise of Christianity have been cited. Rome did not fall in a day, and no doubt these and other factors featured in a long process of decline. But all of these standard accounts put human agency at the heart of the story, when the deciding forces may not have been human at all. Instead, Harper argues compellingly, it was pandemic diseases amplified by shifts in the climate that unravelled the global networks of connectivity the Romans had constructed over centuries. As he puts it, “The ecology of the empire had built an infrastructure awaiting a pandemic.”
Among the casualties of the Roman collapse was a classical view of the world. In Stoicism – a system of thought widespread among Roman aristocrats and administrators, and embodied in the philosopher-emperor Marcus Aurelius (121-180) – wisdom was achieved by identifying oneself with an unchanging natural order. In this view there could be no new evils: no novel diseases, for example, for which a wise humanity would be unprepared. A virtuous civilised way of life could be achieved and preserved by emulating a rational and harmonious cosmos.
A succession of pandemics shattered this classical world-view. The Antonine Plague began in 165 and peaked around 180, when witnesses reported as many as 2,000 people dying in Rome every day and mortality throughout the empire ran into millions. Overall, Harper estimates, around seven million people may have perished during this pandemic. Struggling to make sense of this catastrophe, which mocked his faith in a rational cosmos, Aurelius fell back in his Meditations on the Stoic practice of trying to live each day as his last.
In the mid-third century Rome was shaken by the Plague of Cyprian, whose nature is still obscure. By the time of Gregory and the catastrophic Justinian plague – a bubonic pandemic like the medieval Black Death – the natural world had come to be seen as chaotic and antagonistic to humankind. The result was a febrile cult of the god Apollo, while Christianity received a boost without which it might not have gone on to be adopted as the failing empire’s state religion.
As Harper makes clear, the altered perception of the natural world that accompanied the fall of Rome reflected changing environmental realities. The planet’s ecology was no more stable in the ancient world than it is today. The Romans themselves had changed it:”
https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/books/2020/06/how-pandemics-extinguished-roman-empire
FamousDrScanlon on Wed, 8th Jul 2020 6:21 pm
The above was not my work. It was instead a JuanP plagiarism. Please ignore this as a joke.
On the moderated side on Wed, 8th Jul 2020 6:25 pm
Re: Sin Tax
Postby REAL Green » Wed 08 Jul 2020, 18:24:17
JuanP wrote:
I have always thought that a system that discourages consumption and encourages production by taxing purchases instead of income makes a lot of sense.
REAL Green wrote:
JuanP, explain how taxing purchases encourages production again??
Richard Guenette on Wed, 8th Jul 2020 6:27 pm
“JuanP, explain how taxing purchases encourages production again??”
Juan, that does not make much sense. Did you think through that comment or just try to be emotional about your Uruguay?
Duncan Idaho on Wed, 8th Jul 2020 6:36 pm
New cases, yesterday:
Germany: 298
Denmark: 10
Norway: 11
Sweden: 57
United States: 55,442
REAL Dumb on Wed, 8th Jul 2020 6:37 pm
JuanP can’t see are comments Davy. Were his hole ignore list.
Duncan Idaho on Wed, 8th Jul 2020 6:40 pm
“Today, for the first time, the # of states in the U.S. where cases are decreasing is…. zero.”
I don’t think the Fat Boy cares.
Fact Check on Wed, 8th Jul 2020 6:42 pm
JuanP on Wed, 8th Jul 2020 6:37 pm
“JuanP can’t see are comments Davy. Were his hole ignore list.”
You just did by making this comment
Richard Guenette on Wed, 8th Jul 2020 6:44 pm
JuanP, you looked stupid all day today. Why not just accept defeat graciously instead of sorely.
Fact Check on Wed, 8th Jul 2020 7:00 pm
Richard Guenette and REAL Dumb are not juanPee.
rocco on Wed, 8th Jul 2020 8:45 pm
FamousDrScanlon, Thank you for the link, an amazing, interesting and truly frightening article on the virus.
why they recommended whitey supertard thunderf00t who is high british english speaker to me is it some kind of torture this whitey supertard imposed self qurantine which i said it SMELLZ-19 and now the whitey supertard is not bagged no face on Wed, 8th Jul 2020 11:36 pm
DIAPER-19 and no quarantine
instead of recommending how about capture and amputate? whitey supertard is high BRITISH-19 english speaker scientific supremacist.
does he love muzzies, of course he does.
please love supremacist muzzies more
hoping supertards well, CONVICT-19 gonna destroy us all
MUZZ-19 FGM-19 NASTY-19 calls for “dismantling” of “our economy and political systems” in the US
Duncan Idaho on Thu, 9th Jul 2020 10:05 am
Greer is an english major.
A good writer, and into new age nonsense, can give our New Age friends some superstition.
Science? Skip that.