A Matter of Degree
“Did we really imagine people would feel threatened by the number 2?“
USAnians are a very strange lot, as
Alexis de Tocqueville observed on his road trip with Gustave de Baumont in 1831. The Bible-thumping, coon-skinned, populist utopians fascinated him. Tocqueville blithely compared the young country’s despotic democratic government, then hip-deep in the ethnic cleansing of indigenous peoples, to a parent protective of “perpetual children.”
Anticipating Chomsky’s
Manufacturing Consent by 157 years, Tocqueville observed that the US brand of fervent fascism doesn’t try to break wills but rather bends them, allowing government to preside over people like “a flock of timid animals.”
These timid animals nonetheless hunted the remnant bands of the First Nations like a wolf pack. Adult male scalps fetched about $100 in silver during Tocqueville’s visit, and about half that for women and children. Such hefty sums attracted those given to that particular skill-set and temperament.
Tocqueville said that USAnians with the most education and intelligence were left with two choices. They could join limited intellectual circles to explore the weighty and complex problems facing society, or they could use their superior talents to amass vast fortunes in the private sector (such as becoming scalpers). Tocqueville said that he did not know of any country where there was “less independence of mind, and true freedom of discussion, than in America.” [Joshua Kaplan “Political Theory: The Classic Texts and their Continuing Relevance,” The Modern Scholar. 14 lectures (2005).]
When will these perpetual children come to grips with climate change? Perhaps it will come sifting through the ashes of their million-dollar mortgaged houses and lifetimes of keepsakes, or mucking through what is left of those after a biblical flood goes where none has gone before — perhaps then? Or perhaps, as good children, they will just go back to the Matrix and await the next FEMA check.
This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill — the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill — you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes. Remember: all I’m offering is the truth. Nothing more.
— Morphius, The Matrix (1999)
It occurs to us that one of the flaws in climate messaging has to do with numbers. As
Bill McKibben famously told
Rolling Stone, “And as far as I know, there’s never been a big political campaign built around a scientific data point.” News flash: there still hasn’t. McKibben tried to make that number be 350, as in the parts per million of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, “above which we can’t have a planet similar to the one on which civilization developed or to which life on earth is adapted.”
Unfortunately, by the time he said that, consumer culture had already blown through 350. Oops. That barrier fell in 1990, about the same time he wrote
The End of History and we wrote
Climate In Crisis. Today we are passing through 410, and moving up that sooty scale nearly twice as fast as we were in 1990.
It is hard to kick for a goal when the goal is behind you.
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| 1975: The year the hockey stick met the blade. |
In the UN climate conferences a new number is used — the number 2. That is a nice round number. At first it seems very non-threatening. It refers to an IPCC report’s consensus conclusion that exceeding a 2-degree Celsius increase in average global temperature starting from the 1940 baseline would be “dangerous” and should be avoided. Since the Paris Agreement in 2015, the focus has shifted briefly to the more ambitious goal of limiting global warming to 1.5 degrees, if possible.
Regrettably that will not be possible. We are already a full degree above baseline and given the lag time between emissions and warming effect, 1.5 degrees is already in the rear-view and we are now passing 2.
Think of it like you are approaching an intersection in your car and the traffic light turns from green to yellow. You could brake or accelerate to make it through. You decide to step on the gas. Now you are committed. Even if you change your mind and suddenly hit the brakes you won’t stop the car before it is into the crossing, so the only way now is to keep going. We are in that pattern with 2 degrees. We hit the gas a few years ago and there is no stopping now. We will get to 2 degrees, even if nuclear war ended civilization tomorrow.
Mitigation strategies for avoiding dangerous to catastrophic climate changes,” Yangyang Xu of Texas A&M and Veerabhadran Ramanathan of Scripps, propose we classify any warming beyond 3 degrees as “catastrophic,” and beyond 5 degrees as “unknown.”
Xu and Ramanathan calculate a 50 percent probability that surface warming will catch up with legacy emissions enough to cross the dangerous threshold by mid-century, and a 5 percent probability of hitting 3 degrees by then. Would you get on an airplane if you thought there was a 5 percent chance that it was going to crash?
On present trajectory, the PNAS paper gives 50–50 odds we will be in catastrophic territory by the end of the century, and a 5 percent probability of being fully in the unknown. Recall for a moment we are not even to the “dangerous” level yet. If you live in Houston, San Juan, Santa Rosa, or Santa Claus’s North Pole workshop, baby you ain’t seen nothing yet.
A majority of USAnians, according a recent Yale survey, don’t see the climate issue as all that important. They are evenly divided on whether it will harm some places within the United States, but only 40% think they personally will be impacted.
Climate scientist Michael Mann, author of the famous “hockey stick” image some 30 years ago, complains that science literacy is too low in the US for most citizens to even gauge the danger. Long true of politicians and reporters, today even those who should know better — like weathermen and school teachers — are criminally ignorant. Mann says:
People will often ask, ‘What’s the tipping point?’ or ‘How much warming before we hit the tipping point?’ The answer is there is no one tipping point. That’s not how it works. Its not binary. We don’t go off a cliff. A much better analogy is we’re walking out onto a minefield. The farther we walk out into that minefield the greater likelihood we set off the explosives.
We are inclined now to conclude the problem really is with the numbers. Did we really imagine people would feel threatened by the number 2? Especially the generations raised on Sesame Street?
As we wrote 28 years ago in Climate in Crisis, in an average day most people on the planet experience more than a 2 degree change in temperature in the first few hours after the sun rises or sets — it is not scary to us. We often experience a change in temperature of more than 2 degrees as we enter or leave a modern office building or bank. How then can most people relate to 2 degrees, or 6 degrees, as an existential threat? The difference is between the global average and your personal skin, but we can relate to our skin, not to global averages.
To get a one degree increase, you have to heat a lot of ocean water and a lot of atmosphere. It took 18,000 years for the Earth to warm 9 degrees Fahrenheit (5 degrees Celsius) from the last Ice Age to the present, about one half degree every thousand years. One degree in a single century is a substantially faster rate of warming, 20 times faster than the average.
At the end of the 21st century the Earth may be warmer than it is now by as much as another 9 degrees (5°C). That would be warmer than it has been in 1,000,000 years.
— Climate in Crisis: The Greenhouse Effect and What We Can Do
Fires, floods, hurricanes and submerged cities are more likely to activate dormant flight or fight responses deep in our reptilian brains. There must, at some point, come recognition of the soup we are slowly marinating in.
Xu and Ramanathan recommend a “three-lever strategy” to limit warming: reducing carbon dioxide emissions to a net of zero; reducing emissions of short-lived but potent “super pollutants” such as methane and hydrofluorocarbons; and extracting and sequestering greenhouse gases from the air.
Ultimately, we must thin the CO2 greenhouse blanket by removing the CO2 that is already in the atmosphere. Given the near-term risk of exceeding the dangerous to catastrophic thresholds, the timing for pulling these levers is a crucial issue. Ideally, these levers should be pulled immediately by 2020.
To limit warming to 2 degrees, we will need drawdown by some 1 trillion tons of CO2 equivalents before 2100 and bend the warming curve to a cooling trend. As we have written
here, geoengineering can’t do that, but Natural Climate Solutions can.
If that doesn’t happen soon, it may be too late to avoid catastrophe. Or whatever comes after that.
USAnians are a very strange lot, as Alexis de Tocqueville observed on his road trip with Gustave de Baumont in 1831. The Bible-thumping, coon-skinned, populist utopians fascinated him. Tocqueville blithely compared the young country’s despotic democratic government, then hip-deep in the ethnic cleansing of indigenous peoples, to a parent protective of “perpetual children.”
These timid animals nonetheless hunted the remnant bands of the First Nations like a wolf pack. Adult male scalps fetched about $100 in silver during Tocqueville’s visit, and about half that for women and children. Such hefty sums attracted those given to that particular skill-set and temperament.
onlooker on Mon, 18th Dec 2017 6:46 pm
Makes one think of the phrase Mak, “none are so blind as those who do not wish to see”
Merry Christmas to you and everyone else
Davy on Mon, 18th Dec 2017 7:18 pm
Shut up Mad Kat, you loon it is not as dramatic as you fantasize it is. The story is more complicated but your little mind can’t grasp deeper meaning.
Duncan Idaho on Mon, 18th Dec 2017 7:32 pm
The ‘merikin dream is a nightmare.
You have to be asleep to believe it.
I welcome my sleeping comrades——
MASTERMIND on Mon, 18th Dec 2017 7:49 pm
Madkat
You are deluding yourself. If the US goes down the whole global economy does as well. because we make up 24 percent of the entire global GDP…Stop wishing and come back to life. You have been confused by fake news..Maybe dementia is setting in..so be it.
peakyeast on Mon, 18th Dec 2017 7:52 pm
I wonder if we humans would actually be happier if it was minus 2 degree celsius instead.
I have a feeling we wouldnt like that either.
If both +2 and -2 is a problem – then the problem isnt the temperature.
GregT on Mon, 18th Dec 2017 8:03 pm
“If the US goes down the whole global economy does as well.”
If the global economy continues on for much longer, the planet is toast.
MASTERMIND on Mon, 18th Dec 2017 8:20 pm
GregT
The planet will be fine. 99 percent of all species went extinct on their own before humans even evolved yet. And we have been through five mass extinctions in the past..Once the economy collapses the planet will naturally recover..Its done so in the past so it will do so again….If you want to save the planet go live in the woods and become a hunter gather again…Or shut the hell up and stop guilt tripping everyone else.
MASTERMIND on Mon, 18th Dec 2017 8:23 pm
GregT
When the world economy collapses you and your wife our toast. I’ll bet the homeboys run a train on your wife right in front of you. We are talking full blown Anarchy…Only those who keep moving and forage will survive..Thats assuming the nuke plants don’t overheat and explode. Which I am assuming they will.
GregT on Mon, 18th Dec 2017 8:50 pm
“If you want to save the planet go live in the woods and become a hunter gather again”
Exactly what I’ve been doing.
“Or shut the hell up and stop guilt tripping everyone else.”
It’s your future sonny. I’ll likely be dead by the time things get really ugly. Enjoy the pain, dumbfuck.
MASTERMIND on Mon, 18th Dec 2017 8:53 pm
Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life and you will call it fate.
-Carl Jung
MASTERMIND on Mon, 18th Dec 2017 8:55 pm
GregT
Not so fast..You won’t be dead and we both know that. Pain is coming soon even as soon as next year..
GregT on Mon, 18th Dec 2017 9:00 pm
“Pain is coming soon even as soon as next year..”
Bring it on. I’m ready. Are you?
Makati1 on Mon, 18th Dec 2017 9:11 pm
MM, I echo Greg’s comment exactly. I live in the 3rd world. I am moving down the ladder on my own volition. Next year, I will be near the bottom. I will be helping to build community in the area where I will live. There is m uch I can do for my farm neighbors while there is still time. THAT is my plan. I have the reserves/preps I need.
With some luck, I will live about another 10 to 15 years. Maybe even a few more. The world will still be standing for that length of time, but the end will be in your lifetime, not mine. The US will not last near that long. It is going down before 2025. Probably before 2020. I suggest you start planing for your future in 3rd world America. It’s just around the corner.
Makati1 on Mon, 18th Dec 2017 9:13 pm
Greg, MM and Davy want the rest of the world to suffer worse than they will. They do not recognize that others can be prepared for the coming events. Or, that there ARE better places to be living than in the US. Reality is going to knock them to their knees when the SHTF.
Boat on Mon, 18th Dec 2017 9:21 pm
MM,
Nothing personal but I love challenges. This prediction you talk about next year. Just how much pain and how does it manifest said pain.
Boat on Mon, 18th Dec 2017 9:27 pm
mak,
Bring on the pain. Bring on the shyt. I would rather be in the US than anywhere. N America in general doesn’t need the rest of the world.
Makati1 on Mon, 18th Dec 2017 9:32 pm
Boat, Do you ever consider what it would be like if the banks closed, the ATMs didn’t work and there was no way to buy what you need for months or forever? THAT is a very good possibility in the US when the SHTF.
The whole system is tied to the internet and just in time deliveries. A very fragile system that keeps your lifestyle possible. One that can end with a solar flare or an enemy EMP over Kansas. Perhaps forever.
Or, it could just mean chaos and death in the streets, ending in a police state and a dictatorship or worse. A place where you will have zero freedoms, the capitalist system is dead and the dollar worth maybe 1/10 of today’s value. Not that there would be much to buy. The US imports most of it’s necessities from Asia. Those would stop immediately. And on and on.
You really need to give your future some realistic though Boat. Your dreams are just that. Dreams.
Makati1 on Mon, 18th Dec 2017 9:34 pm
Boat: “N America in general doesn’t need the rest of the world.”
The thing you are using to send your bullshit comes from Asia. Most of the stuff you use comes from Asia. The US imports most of it’s necessities. You need to do some serious research Boat.
Makati1 on Mon, 18th Dec 2017 9:50 pm
Famous science fiction writer Isaac Asimov once said: “There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”
https://www.sott.net/article/313177-The-cult-of-ignorance-in-the-United-States-Anti-intellectualism-and-the-dumbing-down-of-America
“These anti-intellectual attitudes are not reflected in students in most European or Asian countries, whose educational levels have now equaled and and will surpass that of the U.S….
We’re creating a world of dummies. Angry dummies who feel they have the right, the authority and the need not only to comment on everything, but to make sure their voice is heard above the rest, and to drag down any opposing views through personal attacks, loud repetition and confrontation.”
Read that last paragraph again. Doesn’t that sound like a few ‘commenters’ here?
Apneaman on Mon, 18th Dec 2017 10:43 pm
You Are Not So Smart – A celebration of self delusion.
YANSS 103 – Desirability Bias – PodCast 34:33
“Confirmation bias is our tendency to seek evidence that supports our beliefs and that confirms our assumptions — when we could just as well seek disconfirmation of those beliefs and assumptions instead.
It feels like we are doing the hard work — doing the research required to build good beliefs — but since we can so easily find that confirmation, when we stop searching at those moments when we think we have made sense of the world, we can grow ever more wrong over time.
This is such a prevalent feature of human cognition, that until recently a second phenomenon has been hidden in plain sight. Recent research suggests that something called desirability bias may be just as prevalent in our thinking.
Since our past beliefs and future desires usually match up, the desirability of an outcome is often twisted into our pursuit of confirmation like a single psychological braid — and here’s the thing: When future desires and past beliefs are incongruent, desire usually wins out.”
https://youarenotsosmart.com/2017/07/20/yanss-103-desirability-bias/
MASTERMIND on Mon, 18th Dec 2017 10:59 pm
Madkat
Boat is right. We don’t need the rest of the world. They NEED US..We will stand strong and be the last to collapse. Your president will throw your gook ass into a cattle car no problem…LOL
And boat here is the evidence of next year. Citi bank and HSBC bank and one other bank I can’t think of the name are all warning about oil shortages coming sometime next year. But the IEA and Saudi’s belive around 2020 ti
Makati1 on Mon, 18th Dec 2017 11:02 pm
“desirability bias” is commonly called denial. It is difficult to face reality. Especially if it is not pleasant. We all tend to look for the good and pretend the bad doesn’t exist, or, at least, make it seem of lessor importance.
It has taken a lot of effort for me to see reality. I had to get “out of the box” I was raised in so I could see the real world. I have. It is nothing like the one I was taught existe. It is better and worse, but it is real. I can deal with it and prepare for the likely future I will live in.
I wish all Americans could “get out of the box”. Maybe they would end their plundering, murdering, immoral, insane government and live a better, more free life. Nah! Life is still too easy in the failing US. When they see reality, it will be too late for them. Too late.
Makati1 on Mon, 18th Dec 2017 11:12 pm
MM, your brainwashing is showing again. Think for yourself, IF you can. ALL of you electronics come from Asia. ALL of them. A large part of your food comes from other countries. At least 1/3 of your energy comes from other countries. Your financial system is supported by other countries investment in USTs and USBs.
I could go on and list all the many hundreds of ways the US is dependent on other nations to exist, but you would just ignore them, so I will not bother. Your mind is not open to reality, just propaganda. You suck down that ‘exceptionalist/indispensable’ bullshit like caviar when it is from the back end of a cow.
You just keep proving your immature ignorance. YOU will have to live in the 3rd world America that is coming, not me. I will live in a free country, and be dead before climate change gets really bad. Enjoy the present Snowflake. Better stock up on crayons and coloring books. It is about to change for the worse.
MASTERMIND on Tue, 19th Dec 2017 12:24 am
Madkat
We aren’t going down so easy. You old demented vegetable…You will be thrown into a cattle car once the oil runs out. We have the third largest land country. Full of everything we need. You are on a dead mans island way overpopulated with barbarians. Uncivilized and unenlightened people. They will eat you alive. Mark my words you will suffer…I think when you call me brainwashed you are just projecting because you are so transparent. You are about to suffer an ego shock!
Cloggie on Tue, 19th Dec 2017 12:32 am
Boat is right. We don’t need the rest of the world. They NEED US..
You are such a funny guy. US trade deficit since 1970:
http://www.frbsf.org/education/files/drecon_0706b.gif
It is the other way, you need the world to place goods at your feet for free. But that injustice is going to be corrected soon. When the US and their Soviet buddies had intentionally destroyed Europe between 1933-1945, after the war the US kosher leadership could set up a global financial architecture (“Bretton Woods”) where they owned the reserve currency, a situation that lasted until today, but is under strong erosion from Eurasia. Once the dollar reserve currency will be vanished you cannot afford the old “we print, you work and deliver” scheme and you will lose up to 40% GDP, which would place you at Romania level, a level where you belong (considering your new population structure you belong somewhere between Sweden and Nigeria).
your gook ass
The “gooks” are doing fine these days. China has already overtaken the US. I’m not saying this to cheer but to warn. The rise of China will prompt Europeans and Russians to unite to form a counter weight. Once that confederation will be in place (Brexit is a huge help in this process, a God sent really) we will demand leadership of the European world and since not everybody in North-America is a card-carrying antifa member of the smelling arm-pit society like yourself, we will find sufficient allies there to redecorate the place and crush Washington once and for all and take the US apart.
Questions?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrm_JAnVKzI
MASTERMIND on Tue, 19th Dec 2017 12:44 am
Averting a global fisheries disaster – US National Academy of Sciences (Worm, 2017)
http://www.pnas.org/content/113/18/4895.full
Oh NO Madkat if the world fisheries collapse what will you gooks in Asia have for dinner? Thanks to the US science academy for trying to help solve this issue..
GregT on Tue, 19th Dec 2017 12:47 am
“We aren’t going down so easy.”
There’s that delusional “we” again. News flash. Your biggest threat will come from your own fellow American citizens, and they just so happen to be armed to the teeth.
You guys are already killing each other off at an insane rate, and times aren’t that difficult. You’ve got a rather rude awakening coming your way MM.
I’d be gittin’ while the gittin’ is still good, if I was you.
MASTERMIND on Tue, 19th Dec 2017 12:53 am
Cloggie what about peak oil do you not understand pal? There isn’t going to be enough energy to conquer any major region in any global war. Or even enough energy oil to create some new white supremacist society anywhere. You need oil and you need lots of it to fight wars. There simply isn’t enough time to create anything new or change anything. The system as it is will keep chugging along slowly until the oil shortages and price spike and then maybe in few years the economy will collapse. And that will be the ball game. Your war will be against your next door neighbors or anyone at your front door. And that rally in Virginia was a bunch of imbreed idiots. Nobody takes them seriously with tiki torches. How gay…
You will end up like your boy Richard Spencer getting your shit beat in if you ever saw me.
GregT on Tue, 19th Dec 2017 12:56 am
“Oh NO Madkat if the world fisheries collapse what will you gooks in Asia have for dinner?”
“Today, NOAA Fisheries estimates that the United States imports more than 80 percent of the seafood we eat.”
“The United States mainly imports seafood from China, Thailand, Canada, Indonesia, Vietnam, and Ecuador.”
“Our top imports (by volume) include shrimp, freshwater fish, tuna, salmon, groundfish, crab, and squid.”
https://www.fishwatch.gov/sustainable-seafood/the-global-picture
MASTERMIND on Tue, 19th Dec 2017 12:58 am
As M. King Hubbert (1962) shows, Peak Oil is about discovering less oil, and eventually producing less oil due to lack of discovery.
https://imgur.com/a/cz9ln
Oil Shortage Feared by 2020 as Discoveries Fall to Record Low – Wall Street Journal
https://www.wsj.com/articles/iea-says-global-oil-discoveries-at-record-low-in-2016-1493244000
Peak Oil Vindicated by the IEA
Where going to take your oil Greg we are going to use it all. You stupid Canadian bloats will have to learn to live without or freeze and starve. Now onto the Trump cattle cart for you and your lovely wife…Hope the homeboys don’t run a train on your old lady during the trip! LOL
GregT on Tue, 19th Dec 2017 12:59 am
“There isn’t going to be enough energy to conquer any major region in any global war.”
There is a shit ton of oil left on the planet MM, and you can be sure that the world’s militaries will be the last to have access to it.
MASTERMIND on Tue, 19th Dec 2017 1:01 am
Greg well take your fish from Canada by force if necessary.. What are you pussy French’s gonna do about it..LOL and shave your girls pits for Christ sake. That shit is nasty…you side show freaks!
GregT on Tue, 19th Dec 2017 1:06 am
“Where going to take your oil Greg we are going to use it all.”
I don’t have any oil MM, other than what’s in my vehicles and my preps.
“You stupid Canadian bloats will have to learn to live without or freeze and starve.”
I heat with wood, and grow, hunt, and gather my own food.
“Hope the homeboys don’t run a train on your old lady during the trip!”
There is zero crime here MM. We don’t lock our doors, and we leave the keys in our vehicles. The only homeboys around here, are the guys from the local community association, and we are all well armed. The biggest concern around these parts, would be mountain lions.
MASTERMIND on Tue, 19th Dec 2017 1:13 am
Greg when the nuke plants all meltdown and explode you are going to get a whiff of radiation and you will be coughing out your internal organs…and will die a painful death along with your hick hillbilly imbreeding friends….Maybe you all can die in your Canadian tuxes, I mean your jean jackets..LOL
GregT on Tue, 19th Dec 2017 1:13 am
“Greg well take your fish from Canada by force if necessary.”
The salmon destined for US waters, pass through Canada first. I have a half a freezer full of them.
“What are you pussy French’s gonna do about it”
If not for the ‘pussy French’s’ America would still belong to Britain. And I’m not French.
“and shave your girls pits for Christ sake. That shit is nasty…you side show freaks”
You sound every bit as delusional as the delusionalist himself. Any relation?
GregT on Tue, 19th Dec 2017 1:18 am
“Greg when the nuke plants all meltdown and explode you are going to get a whiff of radiation and you will be coughing out your internal organs”
No nuke plants within a very long distance away from here, and the prevailing winds blow in the opposite direction.
“and will die a painful death along with your hick hillbilly imbreeding friends”
Many of my ‘hick hillbilly imbreeding friends’ moved here from the states, to get away from the crazies like you.
“Maybe you all can die in your Canadian tuxes, I mean your jean jackets”
Haven’t worn an American made jean jacket, since I was in high school. Canada doesn’t manufacture jeans jackets.
Makati1 on Tue, 19th Dec 2017 1:31 am
Greg, MM is like Davy. He ignores any real rebuttal and changes the subject. He is in for a very rude and painful awakening soon. 33,000+ armed gangs, with at least two million members, according to the FBI, infest America. As you mentioned, the murder rate is going ballistic and drugs are everywhere.
The entire US dirty, corrupt, immoral, insane leadership is spewing like diarrhea into the open for all the world to see. It’s uneducated, narrow minded ignorance is made obvious here by the two blindly ‘patriotic’ flag wavers, Davy and MM. Both claim to be intelligent and educated, but prove otherwise by their words.
“We’re creating a world of dummies. Angry dummies who feel they have the right, the authority and the need not only to comment on everything, but to make sure their voice is heard above the rest, and to drag down any opposing views through personal attacks, loud repetition and confrontation.”
Most in the US deserves what is coming. They have asked for it for generations. Payback is a bitch. The innocent young are just “collateral damage” to use the common phrase of Americans in their wars of plunder. Now it will come home. And, about time.
GregT on Tue, 19th Dec 2017 1:40 am
“Greg, MM is like Davy.”
The guy is a complete moron Mak. I’d peg his IQ at about 95, just slightly below average.
Makati1 on Tue, 19th Dec 2017 1:44 am
MM, “Oh NO Madkat if the world fisheries collapse what will you gooks in Asia have for dinner? Thanks to the US science academy for trying to help solve this issue..”
The US doesn’t ‘solve’ any5thing, It creates destruction and chaos. That is all it can do now and soon even that will be made impossible by its collapse. Then you will find out how little the US really has. Americans will die by the tens of millions the first year. You will likely be one of them. A smart mouth will get you killed because the other guy will just end your life, not debate.
BTW: This “old demented vegetable” will be enjoying life on the farm when some big black man has you for his slave, ‘sonny’. You have ZERO knowledge of the people here or the conditions,vjust like Davy. You both feel superior by designing my living conditions to be worse than yours. Not so.
Your grade school rants are not funny. Get help.
Makati1 on Tue, 19th Dec 2017 1:48 am
Greg, you are generous, I would drop it farther, but his immaturity and arrogance make it difficult to judge. He definitely is in Davy’s league. Not a good place to be.
BTW: When I traveled to the US over the years, I always flew over Canada both ways. It is a beautiful country, even from the air. I visited it twice in my life and both times was impressed. It would be my 2nd choice of a place to ride out the future. Best of luck in your adventure.
Davy on Tue, 19th Dec 2017 3:33 am
“Greg, MM and Davy want the rest of the world to suffer worse than they will. They do not recognize that others can be prepared for the coming events. Or, that there ARE better places to be living than in the US. Reality is going to knock them to their knees when the SHTF.”
Shut up, mad kat, you are the one polarizing this board with constant redundant hate. If I even respond to you it is to neuter and moderate that hate. I am a doomer and prepper preaching hospices and life boats for a coming age of decline and maybe collapse. You are preaching an ugly, quick, and painful end of the US without a corresponding event for you. IOW you are slimy ugly human wanting a golden age for yourself in Asia and death for Americans.
Davy on Tue, 19th Dec 2017 3:35 am
“Read that last paragraph again. Doesn’t that sound like a few ‘commenters’ here?”
Yes, mad kat, it sounds like you but much worse. You actually think you are special, smart, and righteous.
Davy on Tue, 19th Dec 2017 3:36 am
“ALL of you electronics come from Asia. ALL of them. A large part of your food comes from other countries. At least 1/3 of your energy comes from other countries. Your financial system is supported by other countries investment in USTs and USBs”
Liar, got any references?
Davy on Tue, 19th Dec 2017 3:42 am
“Oh NO Madkat if the world fisheries collapse what will you gooks in Asia have for dinner?” “Today, NOAA Fisheries estimates that the United States imports more than 80 percent of the seafood we eat.”
Difference is grehg, we can do without fish but Asians can’t. We don’t need the rest of the world they need us. Yes, dumbass I said “WE” as in us Americans and not asshole stalking and pricking West Coast Canadians. How is that for “delusionalist himself. Any relation?”
Davy on Tue, 19th Dec 2017 3:45 am
“I heat with wood, and grow, hunt, and gather my own food.”
You are a pussy reliant on modernism like anyone else. I don’t think you do much of anything but walk the dog and play in your small greenhouse. I doubt your efforts to feed yourself amount to much. You are a self-righteous braggart. You think you and your family are so cute and smart. It is people like you that make me sick to my stomach. No wonder you like mad kat. He is even worse with the self-righteous bragging.
Davy on Tue, 19th Dec 2017 3:49 am
“Many of my ‘hick hillbilly imbreeding friends’ moved here from the states, to get away from the crazies like you.”
I have traveled around here and there in the world and I have never come to know a people who are more foul and disturbing as West coast Canadians You all take the cake for despicable. You are the one of the richest regions in the world pointing your fingers at everyone else in that high and mighty asshole mentality of “WE BAD” “WE NOT AMERICANS” What loosers.
Davy on Tue, 19th Dec 2017 3:53 am
“Greg, MM is like Davy. He ignores any real rebuttal and changes the subject. He is in for a very rude and painful awakening soon.”
How come you have to eventually ignore me mad kat? The reason is a continually neuter you with moderation. You are a stupid old man parading around as wise. You have pre-dementia which is clear because you forget what you said and you forget where people are from. You get all tough when your stupid boyfriend the stalker pricker grehg from the Butthole of The Continent comes to your aid. You need aid because otherwise you get into trouble and get your assed kicked.
Davy on Tue, 19th Dec 2017 3:56 am
“The guy is a complete moron Mak. I’d peg his IQ at about 95, just slightly below average.”
Geeze listen to the dumbass that cannot contribute useful ideas. All you do grehg is stalk and prick. All mad kat does is regurgitate Zero Hedge anti-Americanism. I peg you as a mental case. You were actually taking the anti-American stalking and pricking to the personal physical stage of wanting to come down here and find me. Come on down asswipe.
Davy on Tue, 19th Dec 2017 4:00 am
There, I cleaned the board from the puke of grehg and mad kat. If you all want to have at it leave me out or I will give it right back to you. You both are disgusting humans that come on here to spread extremist anti-American hate. You are unable to stay on topic and show respect. You have ruined this board for years now with polarization and extremism. DISGUSTING
Makati1 on Tue, 19th Dec 2017 4:01 am
I’ll say it again. “MM and Davy want the rest of the world to suffer worse than they will. They do not recognize that others can be prepared for the coming events. Or, that there ARE better places to be living than in the US. Reality is going to knock them to their knees when the SHTF.”
They are frustrated that they cannot bully the others on here. All they can do is keep proving their immaturity and ignorance by trying to put down others with words. Words do not hurt, guys, unless you are an American snowflake like yourselves.