When you hear the words high tech, you probably imagine a smartphone, a driverless car, maybe even a spaceship.
Having been in the oil and natural gas business for 36 years, I picture 3D seismic imaging that enables scientists to see miles below the seabed floor; the world’s biggest carbon sequestration project; and precision drilling equipment that enables us to bore holes more than 35,000 feet below sea level and hit a target the size of a baseball home plate.
These technological achievements are what make the oil and natural gas business one of the world’s most high-tech industries, and they put us at the forefront of Industry 4.0 – the Fourth Industrial Revolution.

Fuel for the energy economy
Since the discovery of California’s Kern River oil field in the late 1800s, the industry has used technology to grow supplies and deliver affordable and reliable energy to the world. Continuous advances in technology have enabled us to keep 100-year-old oilfields producing, to develop cleaner-burning fuels, and to do so with an increasingly smaller environmental footprint.
You’ve heard some of the terms representing these advances – enhanced oil recovery, horizontal drilling, ultra-deepwater production. The foundation of all of these innovations is our ongoing commitment to advance technology to fuel our energy economy.
Today, the global energy system delivers the equivalent of more than 280 million barrels of oil every day from across all sources – oil, natural gas, coal, nuclear and renewables – of which oil and natural gas account for 149 million barrels. Meeting that total energy demand requires sufficient liquids to fill more than 18,000 Olympic-sized swimming pools each day, or more than 12 Olympic-sized swimming pools every minute of every day.
As you can imagine, the technology needed to support the global energy system is massive and requires continuous investment. Since 2007, Chevron alone has invested nearly $6 billion on research and development. We’re involved in every step of the technology development chain – from early-stage research to industrial-scale application.
We know ideas can come from anywhere, so our venture capital company scours the world for promising start-ups that can help develop emerging energy technologies. We work on fundamental research and development in partnership with world-class universities, national laboratories and government agencies such as NASA. Our investment focus is finding, developing, producing, processing, transporting and delivering energy – safely, affordably, reliably and at scale.
The end result is that we’re able to produce in places we once only dreamed of. In the early 1950s, in offshore operations, the industry had only the ability to drill in water depths of 100 feet – to a total depth of 5,000 feet. Today, we can drill in water depths of more than 10,000 feet – and then at least another 25,000 feet under the seabed (which, from the water’s surface, is further down than Mount Everest is tall). We’re operating in water depths that require remote-operated vehicles to place and monitor our equipment. And we’re extracting resources from rocks we once bypassed as too difficult or uneconomic.
Improvements in technology have advanced our understanding of the earth’s subsurface geology, making it easier for us to find resources. Dry holes – as a percentage of total US exploratory wells drilled across the industry – have fallen from around 75% in the 1970s and 1980s to around 40% recently.
This has been made possible by advances in earth modeling, 3D and even 4D seismic imaging, risk profiling, and computing power. In this new world, we’re storing vast amounts of data – in petabytes. Since 2002, the data we’ve stored has increased 250-fold, and that number continues to grow. In addition, our production is more efficient because our digital oil fields enable us to remotely monitor thousands of pieces of equipment on six continents in real time.
A transformation in the oil and gas industry
Some advances in technology have been truly transformative, such as those used to unlock US natural gas and oil from rocks with very low porosity, such as shale. Just over a decade ago, the United States was raising red flags about the decline in supplies of domestic natural gas. The industry felt the pressure and began building terminals to import liquefied natural gas, or LNG. But while those import terminals were being built, the industry made a major breakthrough.
Though we had been using hydraulic fracturing to extract hydrocarbons from formations for decades, when the industry combined that with horizontal drilling, we cracked the code to economically producing natural gas – and then oil – from shale. Companies were quick to apply these combined technologies to formations across the country and even advance them for more efficient production. In the process, the United States has re-established its reputation as an energy superpower.
The United States is now the global leader in total combined crude oil and other liquids production, overtaking both Saudi Arabia and Russia. In addition, we’re number one in terms of natural gas production. As a result, some of the LNG import terminals I mentioned above have been converted into export terminals.
In many cases, the world’s supply of natural gas is not located where the gas is needed. To move these fuels across oceans, we convert natural gas into LNG. LNG is natural gas that has been cooled to -260° F (-162° C), changing it from a gas into a liquid that is 1/600th of its original volume. This enables it to be shipped safely and efficiently aboard specially designed LNG vessels. After arriving at its destination, we return the LNG to its gaseous state for delivery through local pipelines. It’s a highly technical and innovative process that is literally lighting up our world.
Other technological advances are less transformative for the world energy supply, but they contribute to our efforts to limit the impact of our operations on the environment. For example, we use state-of-the-art drones for early detection of any unexpected emission releases. We use stationary infrared cameras to look for potential gaseous leaks to ensure the integrity of our equipment and operations. And we use technology to continually evolve our operations to meet tightening environmental standards, such as those to reduce sulfur content in US gasoline. We know it’s through technology that we’ll be able to continue to develop resources in the years ahead while addressing new or more stringent environmental challenges, such as climate change.
No more peak oil
We’re already moving in this direction. I mentioned earlier the world’s biggest carbon dioxide injection project, which we’re building at our Gorgon LNG facility in Australia. Although standard industry practice is to remove the CO2 from the natural gas and vent it to the atmosphere, at the Gorgon Project we plan to extract and inject the naturally occurring CO2 into a formation more than two kilometers beneath the surface. This is game-changing technology to protect the air.
At our neighbouring Wheatstone LNG facility, we’re using cutting-edge technology to micro-tunnel under the shoreline to transport natural gas without disturbing the barrier lagoon system. This system supports mangrove and estuarine habitats for a range of marine fauna, such as migratory shorebirds, turtles, sawfish, and recreational crab and finfish species.
The technology we’re using today has evolved so profoundly from the early years of the Kern River oil field that the topic of “running out of oil”, which once dominated every industry conference, is rarely discussed today. The advances in finding new resources and extending the life of existing ones are so far-reaching that we in the industry have a common refrain: “Tell me when technology will stop advancing, and I’ll tell you when we’ll reach peak oil.” Given how much we’ve advanced our industry – from the days of the simple land-based pump jack to today’s high-tech, digital oil field – I cannot imagine when that day might come.

Even as we celebrate these achievements, our focus is on the future. Chevron is a 137-year-old company active around the world and involved in all aspects of the oil and natural gas business. We’ve been able to thrive as long as we have by continuously finding new technologies and approaches to produce reliable and affordable energy while improving environmental performance – from the production of oil and natural gas to the consumer’s end-use emissions. Through our ongoing creativity and innovation, we’ll continue finding more economically and environmentally efficient ways to power the world in the decades ahead. This is our priority. We know that without continued technological advancements, Chevron and the industry will go the way of the horse-drawn carriage and the steam engine.

Cloggie on Sat, 1st Oct 2016 11:48 am
Couldn’t have said it better. The earth’s crust is a huge tar ball. The more you concentrate resources on economically exploiting this gigantic reservoir of energy, the more you will be rewarded, ignoring the side effects. There is probably more CxHy on this planet than O2 to burn it all.
The folks from the article are still assuming that all fuel needs to be mined, but if you really want to be high tech, burn the stuff where it is and bring the energy “up-stairs” rather than the container.
The key to the peak oil debacle is indeed technology, something the closet romantics of the peak oil movement a la Heinberg didn’t want to consider, including me; I was a True PO Believer myself until ca. 2013.
The real challenge is not how to exploit all that fossil energy, but instead how to *stop* he exploiters from doing it.
That’s where climate change comes in as the natural gate keeper from turning the entire atmosphere from becoming a 100% CO2 layer.
Although it could be argued that so far a little extra CO2 in the atmosphere was mostly positive, as it made the planet considerable greener by 25-50%…
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-36130346
(I know I am not going to make many friends with this blasphemy)
…at some point the negatives are going to outweigh the positives leaving no alternative other than renewable energy (unless somebody manages to gets fusion to work).
End good, all good.
You can come home now, BillT 😉
dave thompson on Sat, 1st Oct 2016 12:14 pm
So glad to hear from Chveron Corp. that we are all saved and oil production is officially an endless process that goes on forever. No need to worry about high quality easy to reach, affordable petroleum anymore we can now rely on technology for everything we do to save humans and endless growth. I am going to put all my money in Chveron stock. This article told me so.
regardingpo on Sat, 1st Oct 2016 12:29 pm
And once again Cloggie outs himself as one of the dumbest corny visitors of this site.
He thinks fusion will save us.
He is using the “CO2 is plant food” argument. Hint: it’s bullshit.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/co2-plant-food.htm
He thinks we still haven’t crossed the point of having too much CO2 in the atmosphere. Hint: we have.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/sep/28/the-world-passes-400ppm-carbon-dioxide-threshold-permanently
He mentions “100% CO2 layer” as if it’s something that is even possible. Facepalm.
He’s trying to use the word BLASPHEMY to annoy people. Hahaha try again. Nothing more pathetic than a failed troll.
Jerry McManus on Sat, 1st Oct 2016 12:32 pm
I have to agree that the so-called “resource pyramid” has been poorly understood by the peak-oil crowd, and as a result the cornucopian cheerleaders have been extraordinarily successful at beating them over the head with it, lo’ these many years.
It’s not rocket science, in fact it would make a great follow up to my recent paper on Hubbert (apologies for spamming):
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5ci5zMS_2kZOW1VdGxOUURCdVU
There are indeed very large amounts of very poor quality hydrocarbons in the Earth’s crust, some estimates as high as 6 trillion barrels.
So then the question becomes “how much of that can we dig out and burn?”
That is a moving goal post that is indeed greatly affected by both price and technology.
What the cheerleaders are loathe to admit is that the goal post moves in both directions.
Destroy enough demand and the goal post can move just as fast in the wrong direction, thus wiping billions of barrels off of your so-called “reserves”. Just as we are seeing right now in the shale patch.
No amount of whiz-bang technology will help you if no one can afford to burn the stuff.
Cloggie on Sat, 1st Oct 2016 12:42 pm
He thinks fusion will save us.
I never said that, renewables will do fine.
He is using the “CO2 is plant food” argument. Hint: it’s bullshit.
I have the Beeb, NASA and Nature behind me.
He thinks we still haven’t crossed the point of having too much CO2 in the atmosphere.
I haven’t the faintest idea when we have “too much” CO2 in the atmosphere and neither have you.
He mentions “100% CO2 layer” as if it’s something that is even possible. Facepalm.
Of course that’s not possible, all life would be wiped out long before. It was a remark in the wake of my remark before that there is probably more CxHy in the crust of the earth than O2 in the atmosphere to burn it all.
regardingpo on Sat, 1st Oct 2016 12:56 pm
Cloggie, your “rebuttals” only prove how clueless you are.
You don’t even understand what the sources you cite are actually saying.
Science has a great idea how much CO2 is too much. You don’t, and I’m glad you admit that.
frankthetank on Sat, 1st Oct 2016 1:12 pm
technology is allowing us to use more gasoline now then ever.
Cloggie on Sat, 1st Oct 2016 1:39 pm
Po, I note that you are not really backing up your robust assertions with links.
penury on Sat, 1st Oct 2016 2:42 pm
Technology AKA money saved the industry and will fry us all.
regardingpo on Sat, 1st Oct 2016 3:35 pm
Cloggie, I note that you’re blind and/or trolling.
The first link I posted directly adresses your claim about CO2 being plant food.
The second link I posted directly responds to your bullshit about CO2 levels not being high enough right now.
You want more links? No problem, I have an infinite supply:
Michael Mann predicts 2C warming by 2036
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-e-mann/how-close-are-we-to-dangerous-planetary-warming_b_8841534.html
The awful truth about climate change no one wants to admit
http://www.vox.com/2015/5/15/8612113/truth-climate-change
The Paris climate change agreement is worthless. Politicians can’t possibly honour it unless we stop developing all new fossil fuel reserves
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/27/fracking-digging-drilling-paris-agreement-fossil-fuels
Paris Climate Agreement Rests on Shaky Technological Foundations. The effort to limit global climate change relies on technologies that are unproven or even illusory.
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/544551/paris-climate-agreement-rests-on-shaky-technological-foundations/
Accepting the Paris Agreement without question risks us wasting another 15 vital years on distracting public opinion and creating the illusion that something positive is happening.
http://www.rappler.com/views/imho/133731-aftermath-paris-agreement-nature-humanity-lose
World will pass crucial 2C global warming limit, experts warn. Carbon pledges to Paris climate summit ‘are not enough to stop temperature rise’.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/10/climate-2c-global-warming-target-fail
onlooker on Sat, 1st Oct 2016 3:40 pm
Good to know all this falsity. When Short and his Hills group has shown that whatever technology does exist now is NOT allowing oil to be attained at sufficient profit or with sufficient EROEI to be sustained very much longer. Oh and yes in the end the sane ones here are wishing to the end of the oil age so maybe humanity just maybe will not go extinct. As in fried.
rockman on Sat, 1st Oct 2016 3:47 pm
“That is a moving goal post that is indeed greatly affected by both price and technology.” Much more affected by price then tech. The rigs, frac trucks and horizontal drilling capabilities existed many years before the shale boom began. What was lacking was high priced oil. A price that led to 1,800 rigs drilling. And now with lower prices 70% few rigs drilling and oil production from the shales decreasing month after month. Someone should ask Mr. Chevron exactly what new high tech is going to reverse the current declining production trends if oil prices don’t significantly increase. The Rockman would certainly like to latch on to some of that ASAP. LOL.
Frank – unfortunately the tech isn’t the cause of increased fuel consumption…lower oil prices are. Lower oil prices brought on by increased production due to higher oil prices. As pointed out many times: TIME LAG. In the age of near instant Internet communication it can be difficult to appreciate that many feed back loops can take a year or two (or more) to see the affects fully manifest themselves.
Anonymous on Sat, 1st Oct 2016 3:59 pm
The largest industries in the uS
1) Burning(and spilling some-ooops) oil and dumping the resulting waste and pollution into the air, land, and nearest convenient waterway.
The second largest industry
2)Denying that 1) is happening, or that anything bad could ever come of it.
regardingpo on Sat, 1st Oct 2016 4:20 pm
Onlooker, until recently I used to believe that a fast crash and collapse of industrial civilization can solve the problem of climate change.
I don’t believe that anymore, because too much warming is already “in the pipeline” and there’s a 40-year lag between emissions and warming (what we’re seeing right now is the result of FF burning in the 1970s). There are too many tipping points which we’ve crossed or are about to cross, meaning global warming will keep going on its own because of positive feedback loops, no more human input is needed.
The only way to stop 2C warming is to use negative-emissions technology to suck CO2 out of the atmosphere. Even the IPCC admits that, the Paris Agreement literally assumes that such technology will be developed and employed on large scale. Burn FF now, suck back CO2 later. THAT’S THEIR GRAND PLAN. SERIOUSLY, THAT’S IT. The Paris Agreement is just a license to keep burning fossil fuels with a promise to fix the damage later by using fantasy technology.
But can you really imagine such technology being developed and employed everywhere around the world? Especially if we’re talking about post-peak oil world? FFS, even now we can’t agree to do anything except kick the can further down the road.
Even if by some miracle the world manages to warm by “only” 2C it won’t be good news:
“Hansen and a cadre of co-authors from a wide array of disciplines argue that even 2 degrees is too much, and would subject young people, future generations and nature to irreparable harm.”
http://www.livescience.com/41690-2-degrees-of-warming-too-much.html
onlooker on Sat, 1st Oct 2016 4:32 pm
Yep, Regard. All signs are that we are now is the feedback stage which is the sure sign that this will continue progressing to a worse and worse stage. I too do not hold much faith at this point is some elaborate Geoengineering scheme. The problem with any scheme is first the price tag, second unintended effects and third it may give us the illusion that we can keep using things like coal and thus creating havoc with the Oceans and their role in the sequestration of CO2 and consequence acidification. Goodness it is all out there for those who wish to know and you do not have to be an expert PHD in the matter as I am not.
makati1 on Sat, 1st Oct 2016 5:33 pm
Onlooker, we seem to be doomed no matter what we do at this point. The only question is: Do we go out with a whimper, as the ecosystems collapse, or do we go out with a bang as in the sky lighting up at 4AM with nuclear explosions everywhere? Perhaps if the global financial system goes down, the chances of the 2nd option will be less.
Is it: ‘Buckle Up!’ or ‘Duck and Cover!’?
I guess we will just have to wait and see.
onlooker on Sat, 1st Oct 2016 5:43 pm
Mak I appreciate your bravery in the face of all this and also pointing out the particularly mischievous and pernicious role the US has had in all this
penury on Sat, 1st Oct 2016 5:46 pm
Makati1, my guess is you will get both. If the financial system goes down. the 1% will demand and get a gov bail out and the only way to pay for that is war.Elites do not fear war, war only kills,maims and starves those who are already poor, My advice is to buckle up now, and be prepared to duck and cover when Deutche bank really does go down.
Roman on Sat, 1st Oct 2016 6:20 pm
This is peak oil news site. Share your climate change opinions somewhere else.
Cloggie on Sat, 1st Oct 2016 6:27 pm
This is peak oil news site.
Peak oil has been called off for the foreseeable future.
Get a life Roman, just like the folks of theoildrum.com.
Walk on, nothing to see here.
ghung on Sat, 1st Oct 2016 6:33 pm
Roman said; “This is peak oil news site. Share your climate change opinions somewhere else.”
Sort of like me saying; “Share your opinions about who posts what here somewhere else, eh? Sure…
makati1 on Sat, 1st Oct 2016 6:50 pm
penury, Maybe we will get both, but if the Empire has too much trouble at home, it may not be able to force a world war this time, short of an insane first strike nuclear volley on Russia, followed in minutes by Russian nuclear bombs bursting in US cities. There has never been a situation like this in history so we are in uncharted territory.
rockman on Sat, 1st Oct 2016 7:18 pm
r – The Paris Agreement is just a license to keep burning fossil fuels with a promise to fix the damage later…”. Obviously for some of us. Might call it verbal anesthesia for the environmentally concerned. LOL. What constantly amazes me is how strong their efforts are to convince folks that such events as the Paris Agreement will make a difference. It’s almost as if the are trying to provide cover for the GHG generators
Harquebus on Sat, 1st Oct 2016 7:52 pm
This is all well and good until, the credit cards stop working. Then, everything stops.
makati1 on Sat, 1st Oct 2016 8:22 pm
Harguebus, true. So very true. I’m glad I do not have one. No debt. No stress.
curlyq3 on Sat, 1st Oct 2016 8:57 pm
Howdy Peak Oil fans, and good evening from out here in southern Utah … I think the problem on this planet of ours is Humanity overshooting the carrying capacity of the environment … the only solution will be to reduce human population. The danger is how to eliminate six billion people and not destroy the environment. I have little doubt that there are enough individuals on this planet that understand this and are working to carry out this task. The only way I can see this being done without destroying all carbon based life is to use an extremely virulent bio-agent that specifically targets humans. This course of action would require an amazing level of cooperation and there would need to be a way to protect the chosen survivors from succumbing to the bio-agent. If a conventional armed conflict were to take place it likely would result in a nuclear event that ends all life on the planet. It is a life boat mentality on a global scale. I do not like thinking this way and prefer my magical thinking or faith based life style. Humanity only has one hand to play though and it likely will happen in my lifetime. The simple solution to over population is to eliminate a large portion of that population. I better go check the air and water filtration system on the family bunker!
curlyq3
Sissyfuss on Sat, 1st Oct 2016 10:37 pm
You’re talking neutron bombs, MoeLarryCurly. And the only thing that comes from southern Utah is steers and queers. Let me hear you moo.
Apneaman on Sat, 1st Oct 2016 11:51 pm
So it was a technological revolution was it? Hmm. So they were getting oil & gas out of the ground for 150 years with drilling and along came an opportunity/necessity to use more refined methods of drilling (still drilling though) to get some more oil & gas out of the ground and they did. That is their definition of a technological revolution? Pretty fucking low standards if you ask me.
To be a revolution it has to radically change the world. As for fossil fuels that already happened starting 150 years ago with oil & gas and 265 with coal.
Are we clear? Pre revolution = no fossil fuels
Revolution & post revolution = using fossil fuels.
Getting more by doing the same thing is not a revolution. It’s just more.
It may be clever and all that but it’s actually to be expected as time goes by for most businesses.
Here how about this instead – for as long as mankind has had an imagination, 200,000 years, he has dreamt of flying. Billions and billions of humans spanning 9990 generations. Many a feeble and misguided attempt ending in death. Then after nearly 200,000 years a couple of determined and inventive American bicycle mechanics were the first humans to experience powered flight in 1903. 66 years later Americans, under the direction and leadership of a Nazi SS officer and rocket scientist, put a man on the moon. Throughout that 66 years aviation exploded the world over and that my friends is a real fucking technological revolution that changed the world.
Doing a modest amount more of what everyone has already been doing for 150 years is only a revolution to gullible bone heads who eat industry propaganda up like shit sandwiches.
BTW, another revolution was getting under way right around the time of the Wright brothers first flight. It’s called the propaganda revolution. Using psychology (Freud’s’ nephew Bernays) and the expanding mass media to refine, enhance and build upon the tricks of the priestly classes over the span of civilization. It’s been an ever advancing science for over a century now. This piece is so fucking lame that whoever wrote it probably failed propaganda 101 or they are well aware of their regular readerships well below average IQ (but average for merica).
Hey, if I’ve been jacking off 3 times a day for 35 years then switch to a new & improved lubricant and start jacking off 5 times a day instead, is that a revolution too?
GregT on Sun, 2nd Oct 2016 2:36 am
Great rant Apnea. One of the best I’ve read in a while.
regardingpo on Sun, 2nd Oct 2016 3:51 am
Roman posted: “This is peak oil news site. Share your climate change opinions somewhere else.”
1. Those two issues are tied together, they create a catch 22.
2. This site has an entire forum dedicated to environmental issues.
3. This site posts news about environmental issues on its front page.
If you were looking for a CC denier website, keep looking.
onlooker on Sun, 2nd Oct 2016 4:15 am
Yep, for anyone else we are about the holistic Screw up that is this world now. Not just PO.
Cloggie on Sun, 2nd Oct 2016 6:04 am
Jerry McManus says: There are indeed very large amounts of very poor quality hydrocarbons in the Earth’s crust, some estimates as high as 6 trillion barrels.
It is far, far more than that:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2593032/Coal-fuel-UK-centuries-Vast-deposits-totalling-23trillion-tonnes-North-Sea.html
Up to 23 trillion ton coal alone under UK and adjacent North Sea. that is the equivalent of ca. 100 trillion barrel of oil under Britain alone. Note: so far humanity has cumulatively consumed merely 2 trillion barrel of oil to date. And the only reason why they know that it is there is because Britain is one of the most drilled places on earth. There is absolutely no reason to assume that these vast deposits exists only under traditional coal country Britain. I wouldn’t be surprised if coal is just as common in the earth’s crust as is silicon. Talk thousands of trillions of ton of fossil dregs.
In a thought experiment: if you bring down the temperature of the earth’s atmosphere to a few degrees Kelvin, the atmosphere will condense and you are stuck with a swimming pool of merely ca 10 m deep O2/N2. If you realize that O2:N2 = 1:4, that would roughly translate into a swimming pool of 2 m O2 deep (I am skipping more detailed calculations with moles etc.).
It could very well be that there is vastly more fossil fuel in the crust than there is O2 to burn it all.
Morale: stop worrying about peak oil, it’s ludicrous. Technology has indeed the potential to access far more kwh/BTU than previously anticipated. Not depleting fossil fuel is a determining factor, the limited capacity of the atmosphere to absorb all that fossil junk is, potentially resulting in major environmental damage.
The only way to address that situation is to move away from fossil fuel as fast as possible. The technology to achieve that is meanwhile developed and will be further developed and the potential is enormous.
To use a comparison, here is a picture of the data center of my Alma Mater in the seventies:
http://www.tuencyclopedie.nl/images/thumb/c/cf/Lemma_31_Foto_1.jpg/300px-Lemma_31_Foto_1.jpg
Today my tiny iPhone6+ has more computing power than that entire data center combined.
Meanwhile solar and wind are price competitive with fossil and since the economic life time of a fossil fuel based power station is around 30-40 years, a standard replacement cycle will suffice for the energy transition to work, without gigantic extra cost.
For myself a major eye opener was the discovery of this development: seasonal storage of heat. In a country like Holland, energy required for space heating is ca. 3 times as much as electricity (private house holds).
Academic solution with molten salt:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li3upR7-R4s
Amateur solution:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJz4cKwddBs
JuanP on Sun, 2nd Oct 2016 6:11 am
RegardingPO “Onlooker, until recently I used to believe that a fast crash and collapse of industrial civilization can solve the problem of climate change.”
I went through a similar process and completely agree with your comment. It is now too late and a fast crash won’t save the climate. We have activated too many feedbacks and humanity is doomed. Also, we will not stop damaging the environment for as long as we exist. We are breeeders and destroyers by nature. I now believe that the only hope for the biosphere and life on Earth is the total extinction of the human species.
Cloggie on Sun, 2nd Oct 2016 6:36 am
I now believe that the only hope for the biosphere and life on Earth is the total extinction of the human species.
Why would a certified member of the human species would want that to happen?
So we have a planet left of lower animals with no other occupation than eating each other? What’s so great about that?
Crown of Creation. Enjoy it as long as it lasts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqhGDgFMS_o
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eternal_Adam
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_return
Davy on Sun, 2nd Oct 2016 7:38 am
Technology and energy supply are the manna that will save human kind some think. There is no talk by these techy types of the human element of cooperative competition found in our economy and global political organizations. Technology and energy supply are only part of the equation. Technophile arguments are flimsy at best and show every sign of diminishing returns in the face of broad based limits and destructive consequences of technology. It is the economy and our political organizations that are the other part of this equation techies always assume are an equation constant.
It will take an economy with leadership to power an energy transition. We have the technology and there are many sources of energy. We may have a complexity still adaptable to this transition. That is debatable but I will be fair to the techies here and allow their argument. The global political and economic part of the equation is required to scale this energy and complexity transition. Europhiles are delusional if they think this can happen regionally like a new Byzantium Empire while the barbarians are walled out.
The economy is clearly in decay and deflation. This is something almost all of the technophiles fail to fathom. Our board greenies and techwienies are constantly talking about the great and lofty idealism of the end of fossil fuels and the birth of a shiny new renewable world of low carbon and a renovated ecosystem. Our stable climate is likely fried and an extinction process a snowball of death but I will again allow them the liberty of positive change. You must have a healthy economy and effective global political leadership to get this done.
What do we have globally with the economy and politically? We have a corrupt Ponzi economy based upon wealth transfer. The moral hazard of this Ponzi economy is possible from the cannibalization of what is left of a huge global economy. There is still ample resources and technology to power us on a few years. These are hitting hard limits hence the wealth transfer. Large segments of the global social fabric are being disenfranchised from prosperity. Prosperity has ended for an increasing amount of the global population. This moral hazard is the corruption and the manipulation of the truth. The truth is we are in a broad based decline of a growth based system. That is an incongruity that cannot last. It continues by deception and denial.
Economically, liquidity is from confidence and healthy productive relationships that combine in a macro economic system of peoples in cooperative competition. That is what our global economy is and that is people cooperating to allow a serious game of a competition driving the scale of technology and energy in ever expanding prosperity. That is what it was until our population and consumption levels hit real and tangible limits. This cooperative competition results in food production and the production of a civilization to manage food and shelter. All the other frivolous aspects of civilization are just fluff. We don’t need the arts and leisure we need food. We have plenty of food now so we have the arts and leisure. We are deceiving ourselves by fiddling as Rome burns by how mammoth the task is to feed ourselves now that we are in overshoot. Overshoot is directly related to depletion and anyone arguing against broad based depletion is a denialist.
The global system is barely cooperating. We have a decaying hegemonic American empire that is morphing into an unstable multipolar world more focused on competition than cooperation. At this point our modern civilization needs cooperation more than competition. In fact it is the competition that got technology and efficiency where it is today. It has driven us to the point of destroying a vital element of the global social fabric and that is culture. We once had multiple rich and vibrant cultures. Many were relatively sustainable and resilient and now nearly all are unsustainable and brittle to the loss of global support of a dangerous hyper capitalism and resulting market based economy. We now have social fabric where the value of something is based on price not traditional human values of culture, family, and safety. These values ae being destroyed in the name of profit.
We are not going to scale a technology and an energy transition without a healthy economy and global political cooperation. Techwienies discount and disregard this factor. The economy and global leadership is near a bifurcation. Technology and energy have limits but maybe they could overcome but not without a healthy economy and global leadership. It is scale needed for technology and energy to transition. They themselves will not power a transition. They are the raw material that must be properly employed by human managers through leadership and economy. A corrupt and misguided political economic global system is not going to do this. The challenges are daunting and you can’t meet such challenges when the social and economic fabric is being torn apart. The economy and leadership must harness people with their attitudes and motivate them to do something.
We think that the markets will magically do this but look around where the markets have got us. We have a destroyed ecosystem and culture. It takes a mixture of elements to power growth and especially transition. Transition of a civilization is a special kind of growth that is destructive change. We are in destructive change but not the growth based kind like a renaissance. We are in the destructive change of a dark age of a collapse process without proper leadership and in a failing global earth “Ecos”. Technology and energy no matter how abundant is not going to power us through that without the human element of leadership and economy.
curlyq3 on Sun, 2nd Oct 2016 9:33 am
Howdy Sissyfuss, we definitely have the steers out here in southern Utah, the queer population are almost all just from visiting tourists due to the abundance of national and state parks in this region. We are thirty miles from Zion National Park and Coral Pink Sand Dunes State Park is a little over fifteen miles from here. An easy drive of seventy five miles will get you to Lake Powell and the same distance to travel to the North Rim of the Grand Canyon. The numbers of people visiting this area grows every year and it is getting difficult to accommodate them efficiently in some places during prime travel times. I would recommend visiting during the off season and avoiding the crowds. Zion National Park saw close to eighty thousand visitors this Labor Day weekend! I have considered the “Neutron Weapon” as a means to reduce a population. I do not believe that it is as effective as a means to reduce a global population. A pandemic pathogen that can be released and run it’s course without triggering the war machine is what is needed to be successful. I want to emphasize that I do not condone this or wish this in anyway. I do however believe that there are significant numbers of individuals on this Earth that are now capable and willing to do this. These are people that are extremely pragmatic and sincere in the belief that Humanities survival will depend on this type of intervention. Think of the life boat and how only the few can occupy the saving places from the cold and lethal elements. And to conclude, when the cows are birthing, you can here them “moo” for miles out here! me, not so much!
Apneaman on Sun, 2nd Oct 2016 2:03 pm
GregT, thanks for saying.
Apneaman on Sun, 2nd Oct 2016 2:45 pm
Externality revolution.
How the West Was Lost: Ranchers Devastated by Fossil Fuel Boom
Wyoming has reaped billions of dollars from oil drilling and coal mining, but ranchers are losing their water, land, and livelihoods.
“But it’s also not unusual, in a bust, for smaller companies to simply vanish, Morrison notes, leaving the state on the hook for the cleanup. Firms have abandoned leases on more than 4,400 coal bed methane wells in Wyoming since 2014, compared with 511 wells in the two decades prior, according to the state oil and gas commission, which regulates the industry.
The commission estimates the cost of safely draining off any remaining gas pressure and sealing each well, removing the well pads, and restoring the land to be $5,000 to $7,000 per well. Mazza, the commission spokesperson, said an in email that the state spent just over $5.2 million to plug and reclaim 1,028 wells in 2014 and 2015 and expects to deal with another 987 by the end of this year.
Morrison’s group, however, has used state data to arrive at an estimate of $13,200 per well. A 2009 study by economists at the University of Wyoming, also relying on government data, put the price at $27,555 per well. The cost depends on the depth of the well, Morrison says. “The coal bed methane wells are relatively shallow, around 400 to 2,000 feet deep. But these conventional oil wells can be from 5,000 to 10,000 feet deep, and the pads are much bigger and they’re going to be more expensive to reclaim.”
http://www.takepart.com/feature/2016/09/30/how-west-was-lost-ranchers-devastated-fossil-fuel-boom
Sissyfuss on Mon, 3rd Oct 2016 12:57 pm
Lovely reply, Curls. You are an officer and a gentleman,(hint,hint.) I lived in Colorado for 4 yrs and know the beauty of the southwest. But I returned to the Great Lakes where I originate from because I became allergic to duststorms and tourists. Science is predicting your region is to become a sandpit in a furnace thanks to Industrial Civilization. So if thinking about relocation do it quick to beat your neighbors and the coastal dwellers who will be arriving faster than Muslims to France.
peakyeast on Mon, 3rd Oct 2016 4:03 pm
Cloggie: It is really easy to understand JuanP. – Except if you only place value on humans and even perhaps only on yourself?
I completely concur with JuanP: It is better that humans leave this world ASAP when there is still a chance for other higher lifeforms to continue life – rather than letting this totally deranged “civilisation” bomb the biological development back some 3-4 billion years.
Cloggie on Mon, 3rd Oct 2016 4:58 pm
Except if you only place value on humans and even perhaps only on yourself?
All life from plankton to humans originate from the same nature; humans evolved from lower life forms like plankton. Humans are arguably the highest life form. Why hope that the highest life form disappears; it takes millions of years to recover from that?
It is better that humans leave this world ASAP when there is still a chance for other higher lifeforms to continue life
Perhaps you don’t have to wait much longer. Just on German television the message that Moscow ordered its citizens to prepare for nuclear:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/russia-prepares-citizen-nuclear-war-8971068
The Chinese did so earlier:
http://yournewswire.com/china-orders-citizens-to-prepare-for-world-war-3/
It is unlikely that the US sanhedrin is going to wait for November and run the risk of a Trump presidency; the Americans will probably arrange an incident in Syria.
Tomorrow I fly to Istanbul as a tourist but also to get a sense of the direction the country is going.
Perhaps the timing isn’t very optimal to say the least.
ghung on Mon, 3rd Oct 2016 5:24 pm
Cloggo said; ” Humans are arguably the highest life form. Why hope that the highest life form disappears; it takes millions of years to recover from that?”
It’s easy to spot folks who’ve been disconnected from nature their whole lives. I have about 10 acres of former cattle land I’ve left fallow for about 15 years now. It took about 5 years to revert to wild land and a budding young forest. Now full of 30-40 foot trees and happy non-humans. Millions of years my ass. We won’t be missed at all, especially nature boy Cloggo.
Cloggie on Mon, 3rd Oct 2016 5:45 pm
Wonderful all these people here fantasizing about how much better a human-less world would be.
Yet nobody gives the good example.
Millions of years my ass.
Sigh, I was obviously talking about apes evolving into humans, not about how fast farmland could regress into wild land.
#entropy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmX7K8noikE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3oHmVhviO8
Millions of years.
ghung on Mon, 3rd Oct 2016 5:52 pm
“I was obviously talking about apes evolving into humans, not about how fast farmland could regress into wild land.”
It wasn’t obvious at all. Besides, hopefully Nature won’t make the same mistake twice, especially in your case.
Cloggie on Mon, 3rd Oct 2016 5:57 pm
Don’t worry ghung, you are Mother Nature’s normality.
How did the pickles taste tonight?
makati1 on Mon, 3rd Oct 2016 6:01 pm
Humans have managed to destroy the environment that supports the next most intelligent species, dolphins. Unless, somehow, radiation forces their evolution, they too are doomed. We are a very thorough destructive species. To paraphrase a certain wicked witch: “We came. We saw. they died!”
ghung on Mon, 3rd Oct 2016 6:08 pm
“Power Pickles”, Clogg, Power Pickles. Have a little respect. No finer pickle on the planet. Makes my mouth water just typing about them.
Apneaman on Mon, 3rd Oct 2016 6:11 pm
Old dutch who gets a say in what the definition of higher life forms are? Do the Romulans and Vulcans get a vote or is it just humans voting that humans are the most bestest? I get that, because I do it myself. I buy a bunch of trophies and present them to myself once a year in my own “Ape is awesome” awards ceremony. Kinda like the Oscars, only better because I only have to put up with one self important asshole instead of an entire theater full.
Apneaman on Mon, 3rd Oct 2016 6:18 pm
Breaking point: America approaching a period of disintegration, argues anthropologist Peter Turchin
“Everything from skyrocketing inequality and political gridlock to white working class angst and the rise of mass shootings and other troubling signs of our times — these are all interconnected reflections of where America is in a cyclic historical process: social integration followed by disintegration, discord and violence. Turchin and others have observed this pattern repeatedly in civilizations from ancient Rome and early Chinese dynasties up to the present day.”
http://www.salon.com/2016/10/01/breaking-point-america-approaching-a-period-of-disintegration-argues-anthropologist-peter-turchin/
Cloggie on Mon, 3rd Oct 2016 6:24 pm
The USSR fell apart in 15 part in 1991. I don’t think it will be that drastic in the US. I gamble in four parts there.