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Urban Transition Cities Movement
Our Transition Initiative is called Urban Transition Cities Movement (UTCM). It is an intergenerational and multi-disciplinary movement that integrates informal, mediating, and formal service delivery units in a vertical and horizontal manner.
My first encounter with Transition Towns was in 2009 when I met Tina Clarke in Pittsburgh during a Transition Town Training. I became very interested in the model and connected to the twelve steps highlighted in the model and framework encompassed by Transition. Despite my affinity for the existing Transition Model, I perceived that its application in urban settings would require the adoption of cultural context and principals of diversity. Developing local talent, particularly people who have survived inexcusable disparities, to a point at which they could embrace the issues of Peak Oil and Climate Change constituted a paradigm shift for both them and the Transition Model. Transition Towns is a very powerful and thought provoking model, one that requires the establishment of a sense of self and well-being before it can be totally embraced. The Urban Transition Cities Movement is focused on this process, seeking to bridge the chasm of socioeconomic strata in the U.S.A. by exploring the issues of race, class, and economics through hands on, project-based learning that uses a co-design approach. The earth is in peril; 20 percent of the U.S. controls 93 percent of the country’s wealth; while 80 percent of the people hold just seven percent of the wealth. My hypothesis is simply that if the wealthiest 20 percent go net+, it would create a tipping point to reverse the issues of Peak Oil and Climate Change. Therefore, we must pursue a different strategy to achieve this goal and realize systemic change.
After my initial meeting in 2009, I was primarily trained by Tina Clarke and subsequently worked with her. I was introduced to and trained by Naresh Giangrande, Sophy Banks, and Carolyne Stayton. Since my initial experience in 2009, I’ve been seeking ways to facilitate the Transition Model’s evolution into a version more suitable for an urban setting. In 2012, when I was trained in the Thrive Model in Chicago, I sought permission from Naresh and Sophie to test an urban version that would inform, educate, and empower vulnerable people to become active change agents in the 21st Century Global Climate Change issue. In the spring of 2012, we launched the first version of Urban Transition Cities Movement; focusing on engaging people of color across vertical and horizontal systems. We had 37 people of color participate in our first effort, comprising local community leaders, stakeholders, non-profit leaders, small businesses, universities, governmental agencies, youth, and public officials.
I love that Transition is an interactive model, one that is capable of being nimble while maintaining depth and breadth. I love that it connects unlikely stakeholders to explore the world from multiple perspectives, all seeking to resolve Peal Oil and Climate Change issues. Moreover, I love the micro-economics of Transition and its ability to transcend race, ethnicity, class and economics when people examine the real risk at hand.
One aspect of Transition that is consistently pleasing is the ability to provide tangible experiences of rural and farm lands to city residents. For both city and rural participants, this experience alone creates the dynamic tension needed to see issues from multiple vantage points.
Having people of color co-facilitate is important in the urban setting. Trust is a slow process that requires grassroots capacity and a long-term commitment not always feasible for many Transition Town Trainers.
I’m always doing Transition; moreover, I am always seeking to push the movement to new levels. In 2010, we incorporated EcoDistricts into our Transition Towns effort. This shift allowed our effort to attract some of the best thinkers in Pittsburgh to join with Transition Towns, ultimately helping us create the Urban Green Growth Collaborative (UGGC). At its peak, the UGGC had over 1,500 members and over 70 active organizations working daily with one another to address sustainability issues through strategic and pragmatic planning and implementation processes. In 2014, this effort culminated with Larimer, one of the focus communities, receiving a $30 million Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) CHOICE Neighborhoods Award. The funds were specifically designated for building the first urban green sustainable community in the country.
Today, I continue to look for ways to push the model and its thinking. We are being influenced by Paul Hawken (Draw Down), Christine Mondor (EcoDistricts), 100 Resilient Cities, and Pittsburgh’s People, Planet, Performance, and Place (P4) effort. Our work has been supported by Living Cities, Greenbuild, and other sustainability efforts around the country and world, highlighting the capacity of building living structures that are co-designed by community stakeholders through authentic grassroots capacity building.
I would advise all new Transition stakeholders to suspend judgement of what they know and perceive about people and their differences. I would push them to explore Einstein’s perspective, “you can’t solve a people with the same energy that created it.” I interpret that to mean, we must promote collective genus though transparency and honoring differences. This requires intentional relationship building through project based learning that deepens everyone’s capacity to trust, build, explore, and transform.
74 Comments on "Urban Transition Cities Movement"
makati1 on Mon, 19th Sep 2016 8:38 pm
another fairy tale, unicorn hugging, article not worth the time to read.
rockman on Mon, 19th Sep 2016 11:30 pm
Mak – Don’t be so damn pessimistic. Did you read early on that will only take the wealthy portion of our population to voluntarily give up a large portion of their assets. And if they won’t do it voluntarily then the politians will pass laws forcing it. Of course that assumes the vast majority of our politicians are in the lower income bracket.
makati1 on Mon, 19th Sep 2016 11:37 pm
Nice sarcasm, rockman.
What politicians? Oh, you mean those bought and paid for shills that suck off the government teat inside the Beltway. I think hell would freeze over before any of those things happened. Just like the transition dreams of the above author. But we can HOPE. LOL
Davy on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 6:52 am
The urban transition will be two fold with one being a dispersing depopulation and the other will be a concentration of the remaining core. Sounds contradictory but the gist is cities will need to shrink profoundly by current standards making the above article just bible class. What is left will need to concentrate and become sustainable per their local. Those areas that lost population may still have the opportunities to grow food. I have many old maps and books of my birth place St Louis. There was a dense core and then a suburban sprawl but this was an agricultural sprawl in the 1870’s for example. St Louis is a port city where great rivers meet. It will still have importance in a collapse process with powerdown and simplicity.
There are 2.8MIL people in St Louis metro which is 8,458 sq/mi on both sides of the river. For people like Ole Dutch Clog that is half the size of his country with his population being 17MIL. The St. Louis population will need to shrink to 500K and concentrate. In 1870’s the population was 351K of core area of St Louis around the river. In the 1870’s this greater metro area had multiple smaller towns that grew into sprawling urban area of today. Many of these towns still have significance. St Charles is a port town on the Missouri River as an example.
Urban transition is going to be about shrinkage and declining technological connections and lots more about restoration of agricultural communities. That actually sounded kind of nice. Big ugly cities going smaller and pastoral. That was an analysis in the abstract without consider just what such shrinkage involves. It does not take into account the horrors of the industrial belts and suburban sprawl much of which will be left derelict. There will be plenty of salvage for years from these ruins.
St Louis is lucky it has excellent agricultural land that could easily support many of this 2.8MIL. Let’s take a stab at around a quarter of this amount could conceivably disperse into the countryside and take up agriculture. The reality is most could disperse into this surrounding land if preparations were made now on the scale of a war effort with an abandonment of the status quo but that is fantasy. This is not the case so basically at some point we may see a core population remaining of 500K or so and maybe a quarter dispersing to the adjacent lands. This means a quarter of 2.3MIL or roughly 575K will disperse into the adjoining rural areas. You might ask what happens to the other 1.725MIL. There dead my friends.
The process of this dispersion and concentration is unknown. Process means time frame and a physical unfolding. Sounds horrific and it will be but if this happens over a generation it will be less so. If this happens over a decade that is going to be horrible. Just take a place like Manila to get a grip on how bad Asia will be. Here are some facts on greater Manilla and just how bad it will be for them to downsize. Remember the P’s is an island that is already overpopulated.
Manila Population 2016:
Manila is the capital and second-largest city of the Philippines and one of 16 cities that comprise Metro Manila, which has an overall population of 12.8 million per the 2015 Census. The city of Manila has a population of 1.78 million in 2016, according to census data. Manila is the world’s most densely populated city with 42,857 people per square kilometer, or 111,002 people per square mile. The Metro Manila population is estimated at 12 million but the larger urban area has a population estimated at 21.3 million. The Metro Manila population swells during the daytime, however, to about 15 million. This density is much higher than that of Mumbai (23,000 people/sq km), Paris (20,150 people/sq km), and Toyko (10,100 people/sq km).
http://worldpopulationreview.com/world-cities/manila-population/
rockman on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 7:46 am
Davy – “…and the other will be a concentration of the remaining core.” I don’t know: concentration camps worked OK at first for Adolf but in the end it wasn’t a final solution.
I know…a rather dark joke. But in reality for any form of transition to be applied on a large scale would probably take some serious violations of our constitution by govt forces. Violations that would not be committed against our political PTB. Unless you take Stalins approach: kill all the politicians first. Hey, you might be on to something there. LOL.
Davy on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 8:06 am
Rock, there will be a difference between the concentration camps of Hitler, Stalin, Moa, and Pol Pot. This difference is not subtle and it is called hunger. We are going to see people flock to camps for food and safety. There will be no need to force people there. There will also likely be Warsaw Ghettos where ungovernable peoples are surrounded and starved to death or left to their own devices if those are not a danger to the local powers. Hunger is a powerful, motivator and one that is going to touch everyone on this board one of these days.
Davy on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 8:09 am
Sorry, Sinophiles, “Mao”
Cloggie on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 8:30 am
“I have many old maps and books of my birth place St Louis.”
Looked it up…
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c3/Mississippiriver-new-01.png
Perfect map, showing the possible extension of a future Amerika (not to be confused with America), between Appalachians and Rockies as natural borders, with St. Louis in the middle as the new capital, far away from Washington.
Alex Jones is all for it and Russia probably as well.lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8E09T4PWos
brough on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 8:45 am
In reply to Davy
I’m not too sure I agree with your projection on how urban transition is going to pan-out. This is how things are developing in my home country (ie UK). London has a population of about 10 -13 million depending on where you draw the boundaries and is growing at rate of about 500,000 per annum, mainly due to immigration from both overseas and from other parts of the UK. Since the introduction of congession charges in London on motor vehicles in 2003 their usage has decreased year on year despite the increase in population. This has only been possible with a massive investment in public transport, also a large increase in bicycle and electric vehicle usage. Electric vehicles carry no congession charge. Of course we are taking about actual increasing technological interconnections, which has been beneficial to all in the London area. But heres the problem, this growth has been perceived as at the detriment of the rest of the UK and is beginning to cause real problems in governence of the country. In England and Wales the large metropolitan cities voted to remain-in with the Brexit referendum where as in the provincial areas the vote was leave. There is no doubt that the provinces of the UK feed the metropolitan areas in both food and energy, in which there is a sort of interdependence, but what will happen in the event of resource or economic collapse is anyones guess. Innercity starvation or a ‘Hunger Games’ type scenario ??
However, Davy I think we both agree the concept of suburbia is toast.
makati1 on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 8:47 am
cloggie, not going to happen. That area is going to be a dust bowl again when the aquifers dry up and they cannot pump water for everything. Not to mention the growing possibility of the New Madrid fault unleashing hell on central America again. But, they can HOPE! lol
makati1 on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 8:54 am
brough, I agree that most Western cities will be toast when the SHTF. However, many Asian city residents are still connected to rural families and will return there if it gets too bad in the city.
That is true here in the Ps where families are close and take care of their own. It will be the several million foreigners (students, tourists and visiting workers) with no real connections here that will suffer or have to go back to their native countries. I’m fortunate in that I have very good connections and will be able to relocate to the farm before that happens. I try to cover ALL of the bases. lol
diemos on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 9:22 am
I had the distinct feeling that I had stumbled onto one of those “management speak” content free gibberish generators.
“By synergizing core stakeholder competencies we will leverage a dynamically responsive paradigm of innovative …” Blah, blah, blah.
Davy on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 9:44 am
Brough, take your status quo glasses off. Think about it, London is probably one of the worst of the major western megalopolises. London reminds me of Manilla in regards to the massive overpopulation combined with the dangers of climate change. Both are overpopulated Islands. The Philippines is in a much more extreme case of overshoot. You and Makati! are right in the middle of the jaws of collapse. Other than that you have a wonderful place I have visited many times. Great Museums and history are in plenty. The beer is great and the pubs have a great ambiance. I don’t care for your subways. People are pretty pushy down in those steel caverns.
claman on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 10:03 am
Mak said : ” However, many Asian city residents are still connected to rural families and will return there if it gets too bad in the city.”
The only problem for the Pi’s is that their friendly neighbor China, will have taken over their fishing waters, and bought up all of their fertile land.
Davy on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 10:12 am
Clam, The P’s fisheries are failing just as their forests are collapsing. Their water sources are seeing saltwater intrusion. Erosions from so much rain is depleting their soils. Makati! is dreaming if he thinks so many urban Asians can return to a countryside already destroyed from overpopulation and industrialization.
claman on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 10:19 am
Mak, why can’t you see that China is desparately looking for future food sources, and that the easiest place to get them is in their relatively defenceless south eastern neighbors, including the Phillippines.
makati1 on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 10:22 am
You are getting delusional again, Cloggie. Reading too much US MSM porn, I think. lol.
“Philippines real estate law does not allow outright ownership of real property by foreign nationals. Filipinos and former Filipino citizens and Philippine majority owned corporations (Take note of the Anti Dummy Law) are permitted to own land, buildings, condominiums and townhouses.”
Land here can be leased, but not owned by foreigners. Corporations owning land must be majority owned by Filipinos.
As for the fish, China is not the only ones fishing in Filipino waters, but the fish stocks in the SCS are depleting anyway and soon will be gone. That is why a lot of fish farms are springing up all over the Ps. I eat more farm grown fish than wild.
You really need to stop sucking down Davy’s sinohpobe Koolaid. It can damage your brain. lol
makati1 on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 10:25 am
claman, they don’t need to take. They can buy. They are buying up farmland and companies all over the world and even in the US. They don’t need to steal when they can buy. Do a bit of research on the subject and stop parroting delusional Davy.
claman on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 10:32 am
Mak, rules are only here to be circumvented.
“Land here can be leased, but not owned by foreigners. Corporations owning land must be majority owned by Filipinos.”
I guess there is a lot of ethnic chinese in the P, that would gladly do the strawman job for mainland china.
Davy on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 10:32 am
Makati! You do realize Clam is from Sweden. Oh, how inconvenient and inconsiderate. Funny how when your fragile reality is threatened by a comment you blame it on an American even when they are not American. That happens all the time here with extremists like you.
makati1 on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 10:34 am
For claman:
“Chinese buy up Canada farms; is Beijing behind it?”
“When China’s largest pork producer, Shuanghui International Holdings, last year paid $4.7 billion for its U.S. counterpart, Smithfield Foods Inc., it also acquired more than 100,000 acres of farmland in Missouri, Texas and North Carolina.”
“In Australia, a Chinese-led consortium acquired a sprawling 200,000-acre cotton plantation known as Cubbie Station, complete with what is said to be the largest irrigation system in the Southern Hemisphere.”
“In a paper published in 2012, the Canada-based International Institute for Sustainable Development confirmed the existence of 54 Chinese projects overseas covering almost 12 million acres.”
“China’s farmland investments take many forms. Large state-owned enterprises are investing in plantations in Tanzania, Senegal, Sierra Leone and Zambia, among other countries, to grow corn, rice, cassava and sesame.”
“Smaller Chinese entrepreneurs have leased farms across the border in Russia as part of a deal with Moscow.”
“JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. (AP) — Weeks before a Chinese conglomerate agreed to buy Smithfield Foods in the largest such takeover of a U.S. business, Missouri lawmakers quietly approved legislation removing a ban on foreign ownership of agricultural land.”
Why take when you can buy? lol
makati1 on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 10:35 am
Davy, I don’t care where he is from. He is still sucking down the bullshit from America. Europe is slave to the Empire, not independent.
makati1 on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 10:45 am
Claman, you are chained to your location and seem to need to put down the rest of the world so you can feel superior, like Davy. Some of us are free of those chains and don’t give a damn about what anyone else thinks. You do not know the situation here unless you live here.
I do not know the particulars of where you live nor do I care. I do know the US as I have lived there most of my 72 years and still visit and have family there to keep me informed. That is why I put it down and hope it crashes before it can start another world war.
I stopped replying to most of Davy’s bullshit as he to is trapped in his location and lifestyle and doesn’t want anyone to have the freedom to leave the US if they want. I ignore him most of the time. You should also.
Apneaman on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 10:48 am
When the state goes bankrupt and there is no more police, then the transition will really kick in. Everyone will transition from the nanny state to the war band state. War bands being composed of men of violence. Some will be ex cops and soldiers, but the majority will come from prisons, gangs and ghettos. Most of those people have know nothing but violence, so the only transition for them will be their position on the ladder. Eventually, they will be your new cops….for a price. Like your possessions, labour and women. Whadda gonna do about it? Go on a scathing internet rant? Think of south Chicago – those savages go to war every fucking night. If not for the po-lice the Illinois suburbs and their soft gentle folk, would have long been overrun. Illinois might be one of the first states to declare bankruptcy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwPRm5UMe1A
claman on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 10:49 am
Mak, you made that research pretty fast, and you even got my name right.
Are you sure nobody is helping you ?
It seems like some body is helping you.
Davy on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 11:07 am
Lmfao, makati! complaining about others attitude of superiority. Makati!, you are a walking better-than-thou dumbass. The dumbass is becuase the opposite is true.
claman on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 11:11 am
#Mak, “Why take when you can buy? lol.”
And when you can’t buy sea areas, then of course you just take over.
It all look very imperialistic to me.
Davy on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 11:26 am
Clog, countries like China do these things when they can no longer invest internally and bring a good return. It is called capital flight and China is the poster child for fleeing wealth. I can’t wait to see the Chinese come over here to Missouri and take possession of that farmland referenced by you know who. I need only point to China’s huge investment in Venezuela as a likely bad debt as a blueprint for the future of a collapsing world and China’s return on investment.
Davy on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 11:30 am
Sorry Clog, I meant Clam. I need to wipe the sweat out of my eyes. I am out in the field hot and miserable enjoying a fine climate changed day in Missouri. Heat indecies will be around 97 today and fall starts in a few days. Go figure.
claman on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 11:35 am
#Mak, Within China there are opinions that feel that China should mind its own business, and not try to get involved in too many or too costly foreign affairs that might not lead to the desired result.
They think that china’s domestic problems should be solved before any foreign ventures should be started or financed.
That of course might not be the brave attitude, but it might be the wise one.
claman on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 11:39 am
Davy, don’t worry, I’m getting used to it.
claman on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 11:56 am
Apne said there is no use in trying:
“When the state goes bankrupt and there is no more police, then the transition will really kick in. Everyone will transition from the nanny state to the war band state. War bands being composed of men of violence. Some will be ex cops and soldiers, but the majority will come from prisons, gangs and ghettos. Most of those people have know nothing but violence, so the only transition for them will be their position on the ladder. Eventually, they will be your new cops….for a price. Like your possessions, labour and women. Whadda gonna do about it? Go on a scathing internet rant? Think of south Chicago – those savages go to war every fucking night. If not for the po-lice the Illinois suburbs and their soft gentle folk, would have long been overrun. Illinois might be one of the first states to declare bankruptcy.”
Apne, you shouldn’t shame people for trying to prevent total chaos. The transition movement deserves sympathy and support.
claman on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 12:42 pm
I do though have one objection to the transition movement, at least as it appears in european cities.
The idea could easily be taken over by the muslims in our cities to make their own little ghettoes, with their own legal rules and rules of behavior – basically over ruling national laws.
The transition movement should be carefull to make their intiatives work for the whole city, and not just for exclusive quarters.
If exclusive parts of the town is allowed to make their own rules, then we just bought ourselves a new set of problems.
Sissyfuss on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 1:39 pm
As China is buying up land and companies all over the planet while simultaneously building up their military,when the decline sets in on these various countries and they attempt to reestablish sovereignty, it gives the new empire every reason to protect what they think is theirs. Interesting times indeed!
Cloggie on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 2:09 pm
makati says “You are getting delusional again, Cloggie. Reading too much US MSM porn, I think. lol.”
Probably mixing me up again with claman, makati?
Both the nicks begin with “cl”
claman on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 2:42 pm
Siss, the problem is, that what china is doing to day, is out of need – not because they must see the whole world, or even conquer the world.
When the english and then the americans first started exploring the world, is was out of an almost childish unlimited curiousity about the grandness and multitude of this world.
There were white spots on the map – what could there be ?
China’s reach out for the world to day has no curiosity in it – It is just about economy and getting food for their own domestic population. China’s interest in other peoples culture is very limited, and I think that other people feels that.
Chinese peoples interest in existential questions for other cultures are nil.
makati1 on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 6:35 pm
claman, with ~1,300,000,000 people, you get ~1,300,000,000 different opinions about China, but most agree with their government or there would be multi-million person demonstrations. In the US you get zombies who do not think for themselves, just wave the flag and thank their ‘for money’ military zombies for their “service”. Big Difference.
I think that most Chinese understand that they have to spread out if they want to grow and prosper. They are growing economically, not militarily like the US. There is a huge difference. When they have 800 military bases scattered around the world, THEN come back to me and complain. So far, I think they have … one.
makati1 on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 6:40 pm
Cloggie, I try to keep people separated in my mind, but it was late here and maybe…. Sorry if I offended you. I guess I need a map to keep each person’s location in my mind. It is nice to debate with people from many countries and viewpoints. I learn a lot. Not so with a forum mainly American where there is no serious debate, just echos of the propaganda mill.
Apneaman on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 6:53 pm
claman, they most certainly have my sympathy. Support huh? Ok I’ll help
https://youtu.be/E5V2hjJ6kCg?t=17
makati1 on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 6:53 pm
claman, America was discovered in an attempt to find a shorter way to the East, making more profit for the merchants. America was conquered for it’s wealth, not ‘curiosity’. Most of the people who went there did so to get free of Europe’s taxation and laws, but the laws and taxes followed them quickly.
Taxation was the cause of the American Revolution, not curiosity. Greed was the reason millions of native Americans were slaughtered. Nothing more. Nothing less. Maybe a few were ‘curious’ but few would bet their life on it those first two hundred years. They went to get rich. If you look at anything closely, it’s ALWAYS about $$$$$.
Boat on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 7:55 pm
mak,
You don’t debate, you just keep repeating the same sound bytes over and over. Remember the failed economy? You were wrong 3 years ago as you are today. Debate that.
makati1 on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 8:24 pm
Boat, you do not rate any real thought. I counter other’s comments with facts. Facts do not change with the weather or the person speaking them. You seem to not understand that.
There are a few here who come up with something new to debate. Most just echo the mainstream propaganda. Those who do have an original comment, I give thought to and reply. Most I just ignore.
Boat on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 9:18 pm
mak,
That is always your type of response.
“Boat, you do not rate any real thought.”
That is a personal attack with no facts to show where I was wrong.
” I counter other’s comments with facts. Facts do not change with the weather or the person speaking them”
Let me repeat. Remember the failed economy? You were wrong 3 years ago as you are today.
Where are your facts. The worlds economy has not collapsed. Go look at those 70 news sources you claim to visit every day and show what the world missed.
GregT on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 10:38 pm
“Remember the failed economy?”
Difficult to forget about it Kevin, unless you try real hard.
Citi: World economy seems trapped in ‘death spiral’
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/02/05/citi-world-economy-trapped-in-death-spiral.html
The Global economy is in Serious Danger
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-global-economy-is-in-serious-danger/2015/10/07/85e81666-6c5d-11e5-b31c-d80d62b53e28_story.html?utm_term=.1e5c35301fc4
Don’t listen to the ruling elite: the world economy is in real trouble
http://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/1919092/dont-listen-ruling-elite-world-economy-real-trouble
With a global economy in serious trouble, something’s got to give
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-01/verrender-global-economy-in-trouble-something's-got-to-give/7677028
Here’s Why the IMF Says the Global Economy Is in Big Trouble
http://fortune.com/2016/04/12/heres-why-the-imf-says-the-global-economy-is-in-big-trouble/
GregT on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 11:00 pm
“Boat, you do not rate any real thought.”
Not a personal attack Boat. A fact.
makati1 on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 11:02 pm
Boat, my last comment directed to your stupidity. The world is in contraction. The collapse is happening all around you. Do you really expect headlines in the news saying so? If you do you are more naive than many here believe. Or stupid. Stew in your ignorance and denial. You deserve it.
Boat on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 11:16 pm
mak,
No facts just opinion. And more personal attacks. This is just your style. No wonder you left the US. Probably got the shyt bear out of ya for your mouth and 70 web sites. Lol
Boat on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 11:26 pm
GregT on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 11:00 pm
Farmer greggiet is back. It’s been awhile since we have heard about the deep state Jew conspiracy. Are the Jews going long, short, under the matteress, buying kosher islands? Just what are they up to.
Boat on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 11:33 pm
greggiet,
I thought world collapse meant billions of deaths. I almost forgot you have your own set of definitions.
Apneaman on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 11:41 pm
Boat, I remember the failed economy from 8 years ago. Maybe you were out of town and missed it. It would have been game over if not for massive bailouts , for the ones most responsible, in every major economic player on the planet. There have been no structural reforms and not only are they still practicing the same reckless malfense that got them there, they are doing more of it. What do you think will be the outcome of doing the same thing and expecting different results? Would you care to explain why it won’t happen again? Anyone at all. Please fucking explain it. Know why, in great part, it was the worst crash since the great depression? Because all the checks and balances that were put in place after that 1929 fuck up have been gutted over the last 35 years. Guess what? They have not been put back. 30 years ago if you were in a room full of investor economic types and you told them that starting in 2008 there was going to be 8 years of ZIRP they would have laughed and told you to fuck off. Now economists and think tanks and .gov try and make it sound like it’s all perfectly normal – all part of the plan. Just one of a shit load of things that contradict what they were claiming decades ago. Legimizers of the status quo and boat and the other regulars over at investors.tard eat it up like kids eating candy, because it tastes good. Boat speaking of NO facts, your little personal anecdote saying that someone said there was going to be a crash 3 years ago and there hasn’t, thus implying there won’t be, is not evidence either. It’s the faulty reasoning of a child or someone from Texas.