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Tracking global energy transition in turbulent times: solar stutters, coal keeps growing
As the extent of the impact of the coronavirus outbreak on economic activity and power demand emerges, newbuild activity in global power faces old and new sets of challenges.
The short-term focus has been shifting due to coronavirus-related disruption of manufacturing activity and logistics, but delays will most likely be short-lived.
The global power capacity mix has already been shifting toward renewables. S&P Global Platts Analytics estimates that solar photovoltaic, wind and hydro made up almost 67% of total power capacity additions over the past year. The question is whether renewables investments will accelerate, but so far we do not see major signs that this could happen soon.
Solar PV now accounts for about a third of the total incremental power capacity additions annually, but as presented in our latest Global Solar PV Outlook, 2019 marked an inflection point for the technology.
Solar additions were 4% lower year on year in 2019 and near-term challenges emerged for solar PV development, as policy support is being withdrawn across key markets and it is unclear at this time if stimulus packages that are being proposed across the globe could boost solar.
China’s PV capacity growth declined by over a third, with lingering concerns around delays of subsidy payments for plants already commissioned in prior years, which are straining developers’ finances. Platts Analytics expects a stabilization in the Chinese market in the second half of the year, under the assumption that the coronavirus is successfully contained
Although logistics concerns are dampening short-term additions, down the road we see an acceleration of solar installations in a number of markets in Europe, the Middle East and emerging Asia, but as projects are becoming more exposed to wholesale markets, the current low and volatile fuel pricing environment poses further bearish risks for developers.
Commissioning of wind projects has been increasing more significantly due to some pockets of policy support that will be ending soon. Wind additions were up by 22% year on year across the globe during 2019, or around 62 GW. Over 40% of this capacity was added in China (25.7 GW, an increase of about 25% year on year). The current supporting mechanism with feed-in tariffs (FiT) for onshore wind will be phased out by 2021, so an incentive remains in place to bring projects online by then.
The US is the other region where wind capacity additions remain robust, with policy support through the Production Tax Credit further extended through 2020. According to EIA data, about 10 GW came online in 2019, compared to about 8.6 GW added in 2018. S&P Global Platts Analytics expects up to 15 GW to come online in 2020, the highest annual increment in history.
Europe’s wind capacity growth has been above expectations in 2019, with almost 15 GW installed, of which over 3.6 GW offshore plants. A lack of suitable space and growing local opposition have now become a major bottleneck to new onshore projects, especially in Germany.
Growth for onshore wind has been driven by Spain and Nordic markets, representing over 20% of the total, with Sweden in particular among the largest (+1.6 GW). But Europe’s wind development is now shifting offshore, with 80 GW of offshore capacity targeted by 2030, which compares to 22 GW currently installed.
The pipeline of offshore projects has also become large in the US. In spite of a levelized cost of electricity (LCOE) for US offshore wind projects estimated to be in the mid $80s/MWh (moving down to the mid $60/MWh assuming Investment Tax Credit), offshore wind is being developed to meet state-driven mandates, with some 27 GW of combined offshore capacity targeted by 2030 across the Northeast. Energy mix diversification and emissions reductions are the main drivers of these procurements, while proximity to load centers is an additional attraction.
Coal fleet continues to grow
As investments in renewables dominate, it’s remarkable that the coal fleet continues to expand globally. About 48 GW of coal capacity was commissioned in 2019, similar to the level seen in the prior year. China accounts for over 60% of these additions, followed by India with about 7.8 GW of coal newbuild (about 16% of the total).
The amount of coal capacity commissioned remains well above the approximately 20 GW of capacity retired across Europe and US. Retirements are set to increase across these major markets, as loads contract and gas prices move lower, while Germany and a number of countries in Europe are moving ahead with plans to exit from coal.
However, it’s worth noting that Chinese authorities are looking at building more coal capacity as a way to stimulate the economy, in the aftermath of the coronavirus outbreak.
China’s National Energy Administration has been guiding the construction and commissioning of coal-fired units across the country, based on an assessment of overcapacity, fuel availability, environmental and other resource constraints for each province. The latest guidance – issued this February – allows more provinces to bring coal units online by 2023 versus the policy issued a year ago.
As China’s coal capacity grows, its role in the mix is changing, as coal is increasingly complementing intermittent renewables and higher air-conditioning usage during the summer peak.
Stronger power demand growth is the driver of the large number of coal projects in Southeast Asia. Vietnam stands out for its pipeline of projects outside of China and India. Almost 1.4 GW was commissioned during 2019, while over 40 GW of capacity is at different stages of development. Availability of capital from financing institutions, notably from China, has also been a driving force behind these projects.
Indonesia has about 14 GW of coal in construction and over 20 GW in the planning stage, although the country’s power development plans have often seen delays. Indonesia’s government announced they will replace old thermal with renewables, for a total of 13.4 GW of capacity. With all this capacity up for retirement, new thermal capacity will have to be built to meet rapid growth in electricity demand.
New opportunities emerging for gas
Gas-fired capacity added to the grid across the globe slowed in 2019, in spite of falling gas prices. Fewer units came online in the US (11 GW), or about a third of the global gas capacity coming online in 2019. However, the US maintains a very large pipeline of gas-fired projects, as do gas-rich countries in Middle East and North Africa.
The recent oil price crash could have an impact on the further development of gas projects in these gas-rich areas, but new opportunities for gas may now emerge in importing countries, given the low current price environment.
A number of LNG-to-power projects are underway in Asia, with 9 GW in construction and about 52 GW in planning, on top of the 127 GW of LNG-fired power capacity currently operational in the region. We see a shift away from the three traditional large LNG importers – Japan, South Korea and Taiwan – as newer LNG importing countries, including Bangladesh, China and other South East Asian countries are building LNG to power capacities.
The appetite to invest in large-scale, gas-fired units has been fairly limited in other regions, especially in Europe, but it’s worth noting the emergence of about 5.7 GW of gas projects in Italy, which have secured payments in the recently-introduced capacity market.
Nuclear additions slow
Nuclear remains a more marginal technology, with plant commissioning slowing in 2019. China continues to lead in nuclear newbuild, but only about 4 GW entered commercial operations during 2019, which is considerably below the almost 9 GW of capacity commissioned during 2018. In addition to China, South Korea, Russia, and India all have significant construction activity.
The combination of sustained lower natural gas prices, renewables penetration, and flat electricity demand growth, has been challenging nuclear generation in more mature wholesale power markets, especially in the US.
Retirements equivalent to 1.5 GW of capacity took place in 2019 – the 0.7 GW Pilgrim 1 and the 0.8 GW Three Mile Island #1. Approximately 1.7 GW of capacity is slated to retire during 2020 – the closure of the Duane Arnold #1 (Iowa) and 1.1 GW Indian Point #2 (New York) plants will bring nuclear output down by an average 2.2 GW year on year. Support mechanisms for other struggling nuclear units in the US remain possible after the legality of recent legislative policy measures in Illinois, Connecticut, New York State, and Ohio was upheld by courts.
A more substantial amount of nuclear retirements loom down the road both in the US and Europe, while we estimate that at least 70 GW of operational coal units are ripe for retirement.
The unprecedented hit to the economy from the coronavirus pandemic is leading to significant demand destruction – with our estimates for power demand growth downgraded by about 3% so far this year. While uncertainties remain around the pace of the demand recovery, the world will still need to replace large amounts of ageing thermal capacity in the future.
As China is likely to continue to build more coal as a way to stimulate the economy, gas newbuild in the power sector has become more uncertain in the current market environment. Lower oil and gas prices are making gas or LNG projects in a number of importing countries a more interesting proposition, but the future of a number of gas projects is less clear in regions with associated gas production fields.
The outlook is also uncertain for renewables, especially solar, as it is still too early to say whether stimulus packages that are being proposed across the globe will include clean energy, and could eventually give new impetus to green investments.\
93 Comments on "Tracking global energy transition in turbulent times: solar stutters, coal keeps growing"
DT on Wed, 15th Apr 2020 11:10 pm
Fossil fuel extenders,AKA, “renewables” have a huge problem. The fact is that the life of the so called, “renewables”, need to be decommissioned, recycled/disposed of and replaced every 20-30 years if not sooner depending on conditions that occur. Hurricanes, dust particle damage to turbine blades, hail storms damage to solar panels the list goes on. What this means is that as the years pass not only will new capacity be needed to “replace” FF use (if you want to call it that) but all of the capacity built over the past decades will need to be replaced as well. So at this point we are now going to have to replace most everything built up till now by about 2040 or so. That is a whole heck of a lot of capacity to replace and build new, the FF inputs that will be required to do so will be tremendous.
Anonymouse on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 12:32 am
Not to worry DT, the resident idiot will see this, and stop by to remind you that solar panels and wind turbines have the following characteristics. They are, in no particular order.
-Eternal
-Self assembling
-Self-maintaining
-Require NO FF inputs at all for their construction. In his mind, those are a figment of everyones imagination.
-Can provide unlimited power under all conditions and circumstances.
-Did he mention they design, assemble, repair themselves if need be, and even recycle themselves, Into NEW solar panels and wind turbines, all without any human or fossil-fuel imputs at any point in the chain whatsoever? Dont worry, he will. Why? Because he is autistic and brain-damaged that’s why.
-And they are cheap too. All energy projects are expensive and capital intense, except for solar and wind. Apparently, they got an exception everyone else was not aware of.
Once he does with that, he will follow up his stupid cannards and equally stupid talking points, which havent changed one iota in all the time the jude has been infesting this place, with an equally stupid web-link, or maybe two, that purports to support his said stupid talking points. However, history has shown if you actually check his links, invariably they pretty much always say the exact opposite of what he is trying to convince you is true.
He’ll be along any minute now, trust me.
DT on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 1:33 am
Thanks Annon, I needed a good laugh. More people do realize just how ridiculous a “renewable” transition is. The smoke and mirrors of industrial green washing has long been revealed from behind the curtain. Still FOFLMAO at your response.
Davy on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 3:19 am
JuanP and annoy laugh about renewables because you don’t have any. You wish you could be like cloggo and I and be more self-sufficient. Instead you low IQ whine and moan about something that is a good energy asset in a countries mix. It is especially important for the individual.
DT on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 3:47 am
Good for you Davy. However I do have “renewables”. I have an emergency wind up radio, a flashlight that needs no batteries, numerous back up UPS systems for my computers and a small solar system that I could set up for an emergency power outage. I also have some fruit trees and a rainwater collection system off of my roof. Along with a garden. What we are talking about is full scale industrial scoped size, so called “renewables”. Pointing out through an intellectual thought process, the realities humans face, is hardly whining or revealing a low IQ, try and get a grip .
Abraham van Helsing on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 3:59 am
What we are talking about is full scale industrial scoped size, so called “renewables”. Pointing out through an intellectual thought process, the realities humans face, is hardly whining or revealing a low IQ, try and get a grip .
Perhaps your “intellectual thought process” is in desperate need for major repair?
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/07/scotland-wind-energy-new-record-putting-country-on-track-for-100-renewable-electricity-in-2020
“Scotland’s new target: 100% renewable electricity in 2020”
P.S. is there is non-intellectual thought process or are you just making shit up? Inquiring minds like to know.
Abraham van Helsing on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 4:10 am
More food for thought for DT:
https://www.irena.org/newsroom/pressreleases/2019/Apr/Renewable-Energy-Now-Accounts-for-a-Third-of-Global-Power-Capacity
“Renewable Energy Now Accounts for a Third of Global Power Capacity”
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/apr/06/new-renewable-energy-capacity-hit-record-levels-in-2019
“Almost 75% of new electricity capacity was renewable in 2019”
Question for DT’s his “intellectual thought process”: how do you think the world will look like, energy-wise, if for 30 years on end, every year 75% of the newly installed power capacity is renewable, starting from a 33% renewable power base?
You may use a calculator for this exercise.
Good luck.
DT on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 4:10 am
“target” sounds like the key word here. We are now in 2020 Have the people of Scotland reached this goal? Have all of the FF powered generating stations officially closed? What do the people of Scotland propose when the wind does not blow? The article does not say Hmmmm…..Just “inquiring”
DT on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 4:18 am
Electricity is about 15%-20% of the total energy used world wide. That leaves the other 80% or so to FF. Suddenly I have no more appetite it seems to have been intellectually satisfied.
Davy on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 4:36 am
“I also have some fruit trees and a rainwater collection system off of my roof. Along with a garden. What we are talking about is full scale industrial scoped size, so called “renewables”. Pointing out through an intellectual thought process, the realities humans face, is hardly whining or revealing a low IQ, try and get a grip .”
JuanP, maybe one of your personalities does but your real-life situation is a 5th floor condo in Miami Beach. If you go to annoy’s comment that you played grab ass with how is that an intelligent thought process? The realities humans face is better with renewables. I know because I am living it.
Abraham van Helsing on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 4:37 am
Electricity is about 15%-20% of the total energy used world wide. That leaves the other 80% or so to FF. Suddenly I have no more appetite it seems to have been intellectually satisfied.
If you would have any understanding of energy issues you would have known that for a 100% renewable energy base, with the same effective output as the current, largely fossil one, it merely requires a DOUBLING of current electricity output, plus a host of additional measures, like replacing fossil-burning-for-heating with heat pumps, double-if-not-triple glazing and other isolation measures, every community of say 1,000 households low tech thermal collectors plus a large hole in the ground like this:
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/?s=ecovat
…plus seasonal storage of renewable electricity as hydrogen or derivatives and you’re good.
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/09/16/blueprint-100-renewable-energy-base-for-germany/
If Scotland can have 100% electricity in 2020, it can have 200% in 2035.
Europe will get there by 2050, have all the industries and help slower humanoids elsewhere on the planet to get there as well a little later.
Davy on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 4:38 am
“Perhaps your “intellectual thought process” is in desperate need for major repair?”
cloggo, you are the other extreme with a fantasy future of 100% renewables.
Abraham van Helsing on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 4:40 am
If you would have any understanding of energy issues you would have known that for a 100% renewable energy base, with the same effective output as the current, largely fossil one
The beauty of corona is that of the 100 mbd oil consumption, 30 mbd went missing in action.
The energy transition just got 70% easier, compared to the original 2019-task.
Abraham van Helsing on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 4:42 am
“Perhaps your “intellectual thought process” is in desperate need for major repair?”
*****
cloggo, you are the other extreme with a fantasy future of 100% renewables.
Excellent, empire dave! Finally a line between quote and your comment, enhancing readability of it all.
Steady as it goes!
Davy on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 4:48 am
“Electricity is about 15%-20% of the total energy used world wide.”
JuanP, I don’t have time to dig into that figure so maybe it would be nice if you offer a link for that fact reference. Looking at my linked chart it appears electricity is likely higher especially considering all other fossil fuel sources need to to operate.
https://tinyurl.com/y9nad4ao
Davy on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 4:50 am
“Excellent, empire dave! Finally a line between quote and your comment, enhancing readability of it all. Steady as it goes!”
How bout three lines? LOL. I have been doing that “line between” for months now, cloggo. Before, I didn’t do it because it annoyed you. I since decided I annoy you enough with fact checking.
Davy on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 4:53 am
“The energy transition just got 70% easier, compared to the original 2019-task.”
“Mr. Money Grows On Trees” cloggo thinks now that we are going into a hard recession or worse all will be well with his extremely expensive 100% renewable transition that was already stalling when the economy was strong. Think again cloggo.
DT on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 4:53 am
That 80% FF is mostly used in transportation. That is through the use of liquid FF. There is nothing now available nor is there anything in the works that can do what liquid FF does for transportation at scale. The infrastructure at scale is not being transitioned except on a small scale. Such as electric cars that hardly take the place of liquid FF at this point in time. Transition to a renewable clean green industrial civilization is, well, I think that would be called an oxymoron.
Abraham van Helsing on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 5:05 am
the FF powered generating stations officially closed? What do the people of Scotland propose when the wind does not blow? The article does not say Hmmmm…..Just “inquiring”
“2020” means “end of 2020”. The article is from July 2019. Considering the effects of corona, you can bet your bottom dollar that Scotland is already way passed that target of 100% renewable, due to fallen demand for power, where the wind keeps blowing and the sun shinning regardless of corona.
https://www.sustain-recruitment.com/blog/2020/03/scotlands-impressive-renewable-energy-achievements
The news comes with one year remaining until the target of 100% for gross electricity consumption needs to be met for renewables. However, this target looks on track with last year’s figure already at 90%, compared to 76% in 2018.
The Scots use England as their renewable energy storage buffer.
This is admittedly not a viable long term solution (ask our Antius.lol) and yes, storage is the one and only remaining technical challenge and hurdle that needs to be taken. But there are so many research initiatives around the world that something must come out of it, probably hydrogen or otherwise a method from my home town and alma mater, metal powder fuels:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5iTxoHOdBY
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2020/01/11/metal-fuel-gets-a-subsidy-boost/
Davy on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 5:08 am
JuanP, how about a link to look at for your 80% figure?
This makes that 80% figure look suspect:
https://tinyurl.com/y9nad4ao
Davy on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 5:09 am
“the FF powered generating stations officially closed? What do the people of Scotland propose when the wind does not blow? The article does not say Hmmmm…..Just “inquiring”
the cloggo uses another postage stamp example to prove his point.
DT on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 5:18 am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_energy_consumption
DT on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 5:23 am
Remember liquid FF are the primary source of transportation fuels. This accounts for most of the highest grade energy dense, usage of FF. It could be closer to 77% of world wide energy use. Electricity use is a distant second place.
DT on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 5:27 am
In 2016 the total world energy came from 80% fossil fuels, 10% biofuels, 5% nuclear and 5% renewable (hydro, wind, solar, geothermal). Only 18% of that total world energy was in the form of electricity.[17] Most of the other 82% was used for heat and transportation. This is from the wiki page.
Davy on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 5:29 am
“That 80% FF is mostly used in transportation.”
“Total primary energy supply of 13,972 mega-toe by source in 2017 (IEA, 2019)[14]
Oil (32.0%)”
World total primary energy consumption by fuel in 2018[2]
Coal (27%) Natural Gas (24%) Hydro (renewables) (7%) Nuclear (4%) Oil (34%)
Others (renewables) (4%)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_energy_consumption
JuanP, That does not equal 80% if we take a rough look at oil equals transport.
Davy on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 5:32 am
“Most of the other 82% was used for heat and transportation.”
https://tinyurl.com/y9nad4ao
JuanP, I am not seeing 82% in the above graph and nowhere is the 82% shown in your references
DT on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 5:34 am
As DT stated refined oil products are the highest density as far as available energy for use. Most is used in transportation. As clearly shown.
DT on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 5:36 am
Read down a bit through the article. This is quoted from it. “In 2016 the total world energy came from 80% fossil fuels, 10% biofuels, 5% nuclear and 5% renewable (hydro, wind, solar, geothermal). Only 18% of that total world energy was in the form of electricity.[17] Most of the other 82% was used for heat and transportation”
DT on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 5:38 am
All your link wants is for me to sign into Google. I do not do that.
Abraham van Helsing on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 5:43 am
That 80% FF is mostly used in transportation. That is through the use of liquid FF. There is nothing now available nor is there anything in the works that can do what liquid FF does for transportation at scale. The infrastructure at scale is not being transitioned except on a small scale. Such as electric cars that hardly take the place of liquid FF at this point in time.
That’s BS. In Europe 50% of fossil fuel is used for space heating.
https://www.clo.nl/indicatoren/nl0052-energieverbruik-per-sector
“Energieverbruik per sector, 1990-2018”
Energy distribution sectors Netherlands, which has a very potent transport sector:
Households 500
Transport 500
Services 150
Industry 1500
Transport by no means consumes “80%”.
E-vehicle penetration:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_car_use_by_country
In Norway it is 55% of new cars, meaning that in 10 years time it will be more than 55% of all cars.
If one country can switch to e-driving, eventually all countries can.
The largest car company in the world Volkswagen is putting all its bets on e-driving. What do they know, you don’t?
https://cleantechnica.com/2020/03/19/the-end-of-an-era-volkswagen-is-saying-goodbye-to-the-golf-family/
https://www.dw.com/en/volkswagen-to-spend-60-billion-on-switch-to-electric-cars/a-51270701
“Volkswagen to spend €60 billion on switch to electric cars”
Abraham van Helsing on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 5:45 am
All your link wants is for me to sign into Google. I do not do that.
Singing into Google?
Whatever, an interesting excuse to sneak out of a discussion.
I magnanimously grant you your face-saving retreat.
Davy on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 5:47 am
“Most of the other 82% was used for heat and transportation”
JuanP, that is not the same as or maybe better not very well clarified from your original:
“That 80% FF is mostly used in transportation.”
Davy on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 5:50 am
“All your link wants is for me to sign into Google. I do not do that.”
JuanP, it is a google photo bucket pic. I see no need to sign into google.
Abraham van Helsing on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 5:50 am
Read down a bit through the article. This is quoted from it. “In 2016 the total world energy came from 80% fossil fuels, 10% biofuels, 5% nuclear and 5% renewable (hydro, wind, solar, geothermal). Only 18% of that total world energy was in the form of electricity.[17] Most of the other 82% was used for heat and transportation”
Yes, but what is your point in the light of your claim that “renewables don’t work/scale”?
I’m not interested in “the world”. I’m interested in developments in Europe only as the spearhead of the global renewable energy transition.
First we (Europeans) help ourselves, than it is your turn to open your wallet and let yourself get helped by Europeans.
https://ec.europa.eu/energy/sites/ener/files/documents/cop21-brochure-web.pdf
“THE EUROPEAN UNION LEADING IN RENEWABLES”
DT on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 5:52 am
I am talking about world energy consumption. You are talking about small specific sectors that do not take the big picture into account. Yes liquid FF consumption used in transportation accounts for most energy use on the planet. Upwards of 80% of all energy use.
DT on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 5:56 am
Well what can I say they want me to sign in to Google first. OK? Signed DT
Abraham van Helsing on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 5:57 am
“The energy transition just got 70% easier, compared to the original 2019-task.”
“Mr. Money Grows On Trees” cloggo thinks now that we are going into a hard recession or worse all will be well with his extremely expensive 100% renewable transition that was already stalling when the economy was strong.
It is even better than “growing on trees”: all you need to do to create 1 $T (=1,000,000,000,000) is for a long-nosed character to walk to his Fed-computer and type in 13 characters. Big deal.
As long as you have men around to do work (and women to produce the next generation), money is nothing but a means of lubricating the economic machine. There is no such thing as permanent economic collapse, only painful temporary economic adjustments.
German twenties
US thirties
Russia nineties
etc.
Abraham van Helsing on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 5:58 am
“Well what can I say they want me to sign in to Google first. OK? Signed DT”
What link are you talking about?
Give time stamp of post please.
DT on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 6:01 am
529
Abraham van Helsing on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 6:02 am
“Yes liquid FF consumption used in transportation accounts for most energy use on the planet. Upwards of 80% of all energy use.”
Give me a credible link that supports that claim.
For Europe it is more something of ca. 15%.
In Africa or India they don’t have a need for space heating indeed, but their traffic per capita is low.
Wait, I’ll do it myself:
https://www.maritime-executive.com/article/transport-uses-25-percent-of-world-energy
“Transport Uses 25 Percent of World Energy”
Dang, there goes 80%.lol
Abraham van Helsing on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 6:03 am
“529”
You mean this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_energy_consumption
What has Wikipedia go to do with Google?!
You’re just making shit up because you are with your back against the wall, fighting an overwhelmingly strong opponent.
DT on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 6:06 am
From Wiki (again),”In 2016 the total world energy came from 80% fossil fuels, 10% biofuels, 5% nuclear and 5% renewable (hydro, wind, solar, geothermal). Only 18% of that total world energy was in the form of electricity.[17] Most of the other 82% was used for heat and transportation”. wiki link also at time stamp 5:18 You have heard of wiki?
Davy on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 6:07 am
Yes liquid FF consumption used in transportation accounts for most energy use on the planet. Upwards of 80% of all energy use.
“transport and heat”, JuanP not transport “Upwards of 80% of all energy use”. You already admitted to “transport and heat” and then you backtrack to the “80% mostly transport.
DT on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 6:07 am
Quit sounding like an idiot I am talking to davy too.
DT on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 6:09 am
Davy just going by wiki. The estimate is still way more then electricity.
Davy on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 6:09 am
“Most of the other 82% was used for heat and transportation”. wiki link also at time stamp 5:18 You have heard of wiki?”
AH, that is not:
“Yes liquid FF consumption used in transportation accounts for most energy use on the planet. Upwards of 80% of all energy use.”
JuanP, heat is a major component of the 80% number
Abraham van Helsing on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 6:10 am
To sum up the previous discussion:
82% heat and transport
25% transport
Hence:
heat 57%
I can live with that (rough) estimate.
Davy on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 6:12 am
“Davy just going by wiki. The estimate is still way more then electricity.”
Maybe in the very beggining of the conversation:
453 stamp
“That 80% FF is mostly used in transportation.”
JuanP, you just needed a link and proper clarification. That is all cloggo and I are asking for. Is that so hard?
Abraham van Helsing on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 6:12 am
Now that we have the global energy use data right, how does DT wants to support his claim that a 100% renewable energy base will never work?
For starters, why won’t it work in Europe, the measure of all things.
The microphone is yours.
All ears.
DT on Thu, 16th Apr 2020 6:13 am
Yea well the point you miss is that electricity is but a very small part of the energy picture world wide. That is today right now.