
The slide has prompted fears the market may be oversupplied with oil. In some sense, the story is the same as when oil prices first started falling last summer: one of increased supply, paired with a slow recovery (America) and a slowdown (China) in oil-guzzling economies.
But there’s another story: Amid the glut and falling prices, Saudi Arabia, one of the world’s top oil producers, reported in June its highest level of crude oil output on record. OPEC, the cartel of oil-producing countries, made a gamble to keep production steady in a high-stakes game of chicken with the U.S. shale-oil industry—a gamble that’s projected to result in trillions of dollars in revenue losses for the oil industry over the next several years.
Analysts say U.S. oil producers need to cut production by 500,000 barrels a day to bring supply levels down to boost prices. If not, some analysts are now predicting that oil could briefly hit $30 a barrel before the price war ends.


Plantagenet on Sun, 9th Aug 2015 10:29 pm
The oil glut has already caused a price collapse, but I don’t think we’ll get see oil fall all the way to $30/bbl.
apneaman on Sun, 9th Aug 2015 10:30 pm
Chesapeake Energy Loses $4.15 Billion
Analysts Speculate Future of the Company
http://eaglefordshale.com/news/chesapeake-energy-loses-4-15-billion/
apneaman on Sun, 9th Aug 2015 10:41 pm
Debt & Desperation
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‘Frack now, pay later,’ top services companies say amid oil crash
“Business is so tough for oilfield giants Schlumberger NV and Halliburton Co that they have come up with a new sales pitch for crude producers halting work in the worst downturn in years. It amounts to this: “frack now and pay later.”
The moves by the world’s No. 1 and No. 2 oil services companies show how they are scrambling to book sales of new technologies to customers short of cash after a 60 percent slide in crude to $45 a barrel.
In some cases, they are willing to take on the role of traditional lenders, like banks, which have grown reluctant to lend since the price drop that began last summer, or act like producers by taking what are essentially stakes in wells.”
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/07/us-fracking-halliburton-schlumberger-nv-idUSKCN0QC0F220150807?feedType=RSS&feedName=businessNews
Nony on Sun, 9th Aug 2015 10:48 pm
Futures strip remains in contango, at current prices. You could look at what it costs to buy an option for 30. EIA has a product on market insights, but unfortunately it’s a month out of date and price has dropped $15 since the last report. Should get a new one in a few days and then you can look at the likelihood of moves to $30. I imagine it is pretty unlikely.
http://www.eia.gov/forecasts/steo/uncertainty/index.cfm
I think you just had an adjustment from 60+ down to ~45 based on two causes:
*US production resiliency (yeah there is a lag, blabla…but it has still hung in there better than people expected).
*Iran deal (it was not all priced in previously).
It’s actually interesting that the contango has lessened though. and DEC16 and DEC19 contracts are lower than ever (even lower than they were in JAN15). That basically says the market expects balance to be more to supply than demand for longer (IOW less “POD”.)
apneaman on Sun, 9th Aug 2015 10:59 pm
“but it has still hung in there better than people expected”
Meaningless assertion. What do peoples expectations have to do with anything? What people?
Nony on Sun, 9th Aug 2015 11:34 pm
Those are actually good points. What got into you?
apneaman on Sun, 9th Aug 2015 11:40 pm
I took some extra codeine.
davey thompsony on Mon, 10th Aug 2015 12:55 am
“Those whose lives pay homage to the sacred are considered by many in the modern world to be eccentrics and cranks. On the other hand, those who live disconnected from the sources of life, who neither fear nor honor nor understand the power of nature, who place their faith in human technology and human power, are celebrated and rewarded with power as they propel the planet and the species toward extinction.” Chris Hedges
davey thompsony on Mon, 10th Aug 2015 12:58 am
Oh yea FUCK YOU Planty………………ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ennui2 on Mon, 10th Aug 2015 8:09 am
^^^
Music to my ears.
shortonoil on Mon, 10th Aug 2015 9:44 am
This article is another attempt to explain a simplified version of the oil price dilemma. It is the Saudis, over production, or the clash of Titans? All pertaining to some human behavior for which we should be able to re-mediate, it we simply apply ourselves?
In reality the problems facing the world’s oil producers from falling petroleum prices has almost nothing to do with human behavior. Humans are merely responding to the inevitable hand of Nature. The price of oil is resulting from the entropic decay of the world’s petroleum production system. It is as assured to continue as the sun will rise tomorrow, or that water will continue to run downhill. It is founded in the very laws of physics for which humans have absolutely no control.
We calculated what the impact of that entropic decay will be:
http://www.thehillsgroup.org/depletion2_022.htm
and it does not bode well for the continuation of the present industrialized system.
Humanity has now consumed most of the energy that nature so patiently stored in the surface of the planet over the last one billion years. We can continue to ignore what has transpired, or we can attempt to mitigate the situation by using what meager intelligence we inherited from that billion year journey. The fate of the species could very well lay in our decision!
http://www.thehillsgroup.org/
marmico on Mon, 10th Aug 2015 9:53 am
The price of oil is resulting from the entropic decay of the world’s petroleum production system
What a crock of shit. The price declined due to a supply increase of 3.1 million barrels per day in one year.
Davy on Mon, 10th Aug 2015 11:30 am
Marmi, you telling me to dismiss entropic decay from the oil discussion? I am exploring my feelings and may want to come out as a corn. Just wanted your expert advice. Let me get this right “scientific laws do not play a part in the oil complex”. Okay. Thanks for the advice oh great one.
marmico on Mon, 10th Aug 2015 11:47 am
I don’t think any empiricist denies entropy. It is just that fucktards like quart shy of oil think that a one year bear market in the price of oil is exclusively explained by entropy. The moron thinks that demand curves are upward sloping ferchrissakes. That’s why the U.S. economy has demanded 800,000 barrels more per day than a year ago. ROTFLMFAO.
apneaman on Mon, 10th Aug 2015 11:48 am
“Humanity has now consumed most of the energy that nature so patiently stored in the surface of the planet over the last one billion years.”
In fact, it is more than just the fossil fuels. Rapacious apes.
Human domination of the biosphere: Rapid
discharge of the earth-space battery foretells
the future of humankind
https://collapseofindustrialcivilization.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/pnas-2015-schramski-1508353112.pdf
Humans face extinction if plant destruction continues: ‘Laws of thermodynamics have no mercy’
“”You can think of the Earth like a battery that has been charged very slowly over billions of years,” Schramski said.
“The sun’s energy is stored in plants and fossil fuels, but humans are draining energy much faster than it can be replenished. If we don’t reverse this trend, we’ll eventually reach a point where the biomass battery discharges to a level at which Earth can no longer sustain us.”
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/humans-face-extinction-if-plant-destruction-continues-laws-thermodynamics-have-no-mercy-1511026?utm_content=buffer99158&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Plantagenet on Mon, 10th Aug 2015 12:31 pm
@Davey
Your potty mouth is overflowing. Why don’t you close your mouth tight and let the overflow flush into that big empty spot within your skull.
Cheers!
Apneaman on Mon, 10th Aug 2015 12:43 pm
marma-douche says
“That’s why the U.S. economy has demanded 800,000 barrels more per day than a year ago.”
What did that economy do with it? What fucking good did it do? Nothing got better and by every metric most things got worse for a great many of the majority. I don’t see your beloved hydrocarbons doing what they use to do. Why is that? C’mon nony-marn conjure up one of your, on the fly, econ 101 spells to explain it away.
BobInget on Mon, 10th Aug 2015 12:46 pm
What was the question?
How Long Can Saudi Arabia continue to break production records before it can’t?
How hot does the Middle East need to get before it explodes?
Why is there never a ‘golf glut’?
Donald Trump glut?
Is getting lint off black slacks more or less important then Climate Changes?
Certainly peak oil will never again be an issue.
marmico on Mon, 10th Aug 2015 1:14 pm
I don’t see your beloved hydrocarbons doing what they use to do
My 2015 hydrocarbons (gasoline gallons per mile) ride goes twice as far as my 1972 hydrocarbons ride with superior safety and comfort.
How about your personal transport machine? Since you live in mommy’s basement and drive her car, I suppose you should ask her, douche bag.
Got it. Demand curves are not upward sloping. When the price declines, the quantity demanded increases.
You are a retard; the quart shy of oil is a fucktard.
Apneaman on Mon, 10th Aug 2015 1:41 pm
The world in your head, which is the same year as your car, is looooooong gone little boy and it ain’t never coming back. I’m guessing you will be sleeping in your car (parked) full time one day, since you are completely fucking useless in a non abstract world. I can picture you sitting around some FEMA camp in the future with the rest of the unskilled useless eaters bragging about all the goodies you owned before TSHTF and going off on hate filled blaming rants attributing everything to peoples lack of faith in econ 101. The religious always do that when their world falls apart. In the meantime, keep doubling down shit stain.
marmico on Mon, 10th Aug 2015 1:55 pm
Time to give mommy a douche, ape. Does she use generic or brand product?
She gives you $15 to hop on over to the pharma for brand, you buy $10 generic and spend $5 at the pub. What a retard!
Apneaman on Mon, 10th Aug 2015 2:06 pm
Actually your mom always douches before I ass fuck her. It’s not really necessary, since your dad always licks me clean afterwards anyhow.
marmico on Mon, 10th Aug 2015 2:20 pm
Thanks for asking, but my mother is dead you necrophiliac.
Have you already spent your $5 daily douche allowance at the pub.
The retards on peakoil.com are fast and furious.
penury on Mon, 10th Aug 2015 2:42 pm
The fact that oil is a finite resource and every day brings humanity closer to the end of oil energy to propel our economies is only half as interesting as reading the comments from some of these commentators. I want to still be able to read their comments in five years.
Apneaman on Mon, 10th Aug 2015 3:05 pm
You’re the one that started to play “Yo Momma” games nony-marm – not me. Shouldn’t go there then if you can’t shit with the big dogs.
Apneaman on Mon, 10th Aug 2015 3:17 pm
Incredible moment a car MELTED in the sun during 100F heatwave in Italy
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3192671/Incredible-moment-car-MELTS-sun-heatwave-touching-100F-sweeps-Italy.html
Apneaman on Mon, 10th Aug 2015 3:19 pm
Car gets Blown Away during by Mini Tornado in Taiwan (while someone was driving it)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=26&v=WT_HTmvjSbM
marmico on Mon, 10th Aug 2015 3:23 pm
Don’t trip over your “big” poop on the sidewalk with the walk from the pharma to the pub after you screwed your mommy for $5, ape.
You are a retard and your circle jerking buddies should realize it and shut you down. They wont, because they are just like you – bona fide members of the circle jerking retards tribe.
ghung on Mon, 10th Aug 2015 3:42 pm
Marm: “…bona fide members of the circle jerking retards tribe.”
Beats being alone, eh? … like the Marm, who I get a feeling is an outsider where ever it ends up.
marmico on Mon, 10th Aug 2015 4:12 pm
Ghung wouldn’t know about specialization of labor unless his wife worked. Always whining about his former employer.
Carry on your Mumbai-type garbage hunting @ $1 per hour, you circle jerker!
ghung on Mon, 10th Aug 2015 5:06 pm
“Always whining about his former employer.”
Yeah, the one that just got indicted this morning on multiple counts of fraud; pending racketeering charges. Worry not, marm. Your turn will come.
shortonoil on Mon, 10th Aug 2015 7:46 pm
“That’s why the U.S. economy has demanded 800,000 barrels more per day than a year ago. ROTFLMFAO.”
Someone doesn’t understand the concept of inventory. When petroleum is sold to be stored, it is considered consumed by the EIA. US and world inventories are at historic highs. All that demand you are referring to is sitting in a storage tank somewhere along the gulf coast. Your lack of knowledge is only superseded by your attitude, and disgustingly bad manners.
shortonoil on Mon, 10th Aug 2015 8:00 pm
“The moron thinks that demand curves are upward sloping ferchrissakes. That’s why the U.S. economy has demanded 800,000 barrels more per day than a year ago. ROTFLMFAO.”
Marm, I think you are completely losing it – demand curves slope up and to the left, supply curves up and to the right.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand
You off your meds again?
Makati1 on Mon, 10th Aug 2015 10:58 pm
LMAO! The “debates” in the comment section are more entertaining and informative than the articles. Look at the minds behind them and you get a very good cross section of humanity today. At least in the Western world. Freud would be delighted with all of us.
I would say that those of us who have lived a long life have the best picture of reality. It seems that the younger you are, the more religiously BAU you tend to be. I guess life has not beaten you up enough yet to open your eyes.
The brainwashing of Americans is also showing in those who have not lived free outside the USMSM Iron Curtain for at least part of their lives. Most Americans have NO idea what the real world is like, just the picture the government has drawn for them through the 24/7/365 birth to death propaganda system. Six men control 90+% of the news and entertainment resources in the US. Control is easy. Now back to your regularly scheduled program(ing).
MrNoItAll on Tue, 11th Aug 2015 2:12 am
Hey Plant — Have you every wondered why you evoke so many “potty mouth” responses? I mean, seriously, have you ever tried to determine what it is about yourself and what you write that generates so many “potty mouth” comments directed at you?
No, I didn’t think so.
But here’s the thing, Plant. You’re a foul, creepy, grotesque piece of stinking shit, worthy and deserving of the utmost contempt, and any “potty mouth” directed at you is right as rain, fully deserved, natural — the way it ought to be.
How could you, being who and what you are, expect anything other than abusive and hateful responses. You’re the scummy scab on the underbelly of a diseased rat. You and all humans like you exist only because of an excess of energy. When that excess is gone, you will be too. The sooner the better.
Davy on Tue, 11th Aug 2015 2:35 am
MR, here let me add to the troll bashing. Good thing this board has us policing the riff raff.
Mak said “The brainwashing of Americans is also showing in those who have not lived free outside the USMSM Iron Curtain for at least part of their lives.”
Says the man who lives in Asia with the worst propaganda, human rights abuses, and ecological destruction in the world. Do I smell a hypocrite? Yes Davy you do. Too bad for you Mak, you bet on a losing horse. Just look at China and then around your tiny Island and wonder “will we catch cold if China is sick”? Yea Mak, that is how it works. Your small island with 100MIL people will not be your “Club Med” preached constantly here. I laugh when you preach how nice it is there but in reality you are sitting in an overcrowded city of 12MIL ready to mad max at the first sign of rice shortages. The air must be horrible in your 10th floor 2 room. No money to go to the nice parts of your tiny Island. Sorry Mak, you are all alone with nowhere to go.
Mak, I am not debating the US population’s enlightenment. I am debating your view the rest of the world. Mak, why is the rest of the world a basket case especially your Asia? Maybe because globalism is all inclusive and pretty much generic today. Similar problems and modern vices to dumb down everyone. Go down to your dilapidated pool and crack a beer Mak you will feel better.
marmico on Tue, 11th Aug 2015 4:37 am
Marm, I think you are completely losing it – demand curves slope up and to the left, supply curves up and to the right.
Demand curves slope down and to the right. I agree that the “supply curves up and to the right”.
You start at the 0,0 intersection on the chart. Infinite price, zero quantity demanded. Infinite quantity demanded, zero price. Then draw the demand curve depending (slope) on elasticity.
Now back to your Etp bullshit. Diesel consumption should be way down with a 60% rig count decline and a 30% well completion decline. It ain’t.
Nony on Tue, 11th Aug 2015 6:22 am
Oil company usage is about 3% of diesel consumption in the US according to this source:
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_cons_821dst_dcu_nus_a.htm
And that may include refinery diesel use as well as E&P. Don’t know.
But in any case, changes within the 3% are probably minor compared to passenger vehicle increases and general trucking increases based on the economy growing. I think there’s also increased use for marine use because of environmental restrictions (high sulfur bunker fuel, RFO really, is restricted to 12 miles offshore and some vessels that make less transits just use marine diesel which is approaching road diesel, all the time.)
shortonoil on Tue, 11th Aug 2015 8:19 am
“Now back to your Etp bullshit. Diesel consumption should be way down with a 60% rig count decline and a 30% well completion decline. It ain’t.”
I’ll take your word for it, “for now”, but you have a history of just making up crap as you go. They say that 98% of all quotes regarding petroleum are pulled out of thin air. In your case, they come from one of your lower orifices!
Now back to your comment. Could you enlighten us on what that has to do with anything? “Rig counts are down but diesel consumption isn’t” ??? Are you stating that diesel consumption is driven by rig count. Maybe they are burning all that diesel hauling those rigs off to the scrap yard? Now what does diesel consumption have to do with the Etp Model? The Etp Model is about the entropic decay of the petroleum production system. There is absolutely no mention of rig counts in the entire report; or diesel.
You obviously know absolutely nothing about the Etp Model, or rigs, or diesel consumption. Outside of a propensity to say really stupid things; what do you know? Why don’t you write everything that you know on the back of a postage stamp, and send it in. May PO News will publish it?
Makati1 on Tue, 11th Aug 2015 8:32 am
short, maybe he doesn’t realize that most buses, commercial trucks, mining equipment, construction equipment, military equipment, trains, generators, etc., run on Diesel?
They could stop making gasoline but they have to make diesel to keep the system running. Cars, not so much.
Davy on Tue, 11th Aug 2015 1:07 pm
Oil Tumbles Under $43, Approaches Goldman’s “Last Ditch” Support Level
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-11/oil-tumbles-under-43-approaches-goldmans-last-ditch-support-level
BobInget on Tue, 11th Aug 2015 1:17 pm
Stay tuned, Wednesday’s EIA report will not only give us Consumption, production and refinery utilization.
I’m betting the US used 20,300,000 barrels a day last week. Just shut your eyes for a second try to imagine what it takes to get twenty million barrels refined, liquids distributed, used as fuel. Every seven days another 14 million barrels (or greater). Say whatever, 14 million barrels is a shitload of oil to be using up.
Traders don’t care how much oil is consumed.
Traders care only about the unknown.
That’s why only inventory numbers are of interest.
BobInget on Tue, 11th Aug 2015 1:20 pm
Obviously, thats 140 million, not 14.
I’m going swimming at the Y. What a pleasure.
shortonoil on Tue, 11th Aug 2015 5:03 pm
Oil Tumbles Under $43, Approaches Goldman’s “Last Ditch” Support Level”
With regard to the terrible news out of China today, the price fell $1.33. Not really what one would expect for the second largest oil consumer in the world? My take on this Davy is that the market has already been pricing in the China debacle. It has not really been a secret over the last year that the Chinese miracle machine was actually constructed out of confetti!
The divergence from our model is now the worse that it has been in 35 years:
http://www.thehillsgroup.org/depletion2_022.htm
Not since Saudi Arabia cut its production in 1980 by 50% have we seen anything like it! What is now happening has had almost the same impact as that 50% cut; but in the opposite direction. Unlike the Saudis, who keep secrets to the grave, no one had any idea that they were about to flip the oil world on its ear. Prices didn’t start running up until after they began cutting. This time it looks like the market has been expecting one incredible belly flop from the high board for China.
Nony on Tue, 11th Aug 2015 5:18 pm
There’s no such thing as support levels. That is technical trading silliness. Momentum theory. Really, really dumb concept.
shortonoil on Tue, 11th Aug 2015 5:35 pm
“There’s no such thing as support levels. That is technical trading silliness. Momentum theory. Really, really dumb concept.”
Then what do you call the FED’s policy since 2001. FED policy has been the market for the last 15 years. The FED cuts rates and the market goes up, the FED raises rates and the market goes down. The FED prints money and the market goes up, they stop printing money and the market goes down. That is not trading by fundamentals. That is technical trading, and it is all that there is.
antaris on Tue, 11th Aug 2015 6:12 pm
US rig count in March of 2006 was 1551 and produced just over 5 million bpd at a spot selling price of $62.69. We now have some 884 rigs trying to make a buck at $43.00. My guess is the slope of eia field production graph is going to go vertical in the coming months when the lag catches up.