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How Will This Change Us? Is There Room for Optimism?

Heidi and Tom head into a freewheeling conversation with MIT Futurist and optimist Andy McAfee. As co-founder and co-director of the MIT Initiative on the Digital Economy at the MIT Sloan School of Management, Andy studies how digital technologies are changing the world. Even Andy, sees the gravity of this moment.

Heidi pushes hard on the big tech companies responsibility to step up, give back, and help lead in this crisis. Tom thinks it’s going to have to be government – reborn, revitalized, and very differently led than right now if we want a successful recovery. We dive in on how this moment is reshaping us as a society and economy. It’s all for the voters to decide, next.



127 Comments on "How Will This Change Us? Is There Room for Optimism?"

  1. makati1 on Mon, 6th Apr 2020 10:47 pm 

    Nope! No room except for the unicorn lovers and tree huggers. The shit is hitting the fan and no end in sight. Buckle up!

  2. Rob Mielcarski on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 12:19 am 

    After 30 years of dire warnings this is the first time that we’ve actually done something about climate change. Good thing because while the virus may kill millions, climate change will kill billions.

  3. JuanP on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 5:59 am 

    Rob, this virus won’t save us from climate change. What will happen is that the virus will kill millions AND climate change will kill billions.

  4. Davy on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 6:33 am 

    Rob is one of your make believe people juanPee so you can have a conversation. All this is in your mind stupid. You are sick so get out of here. The board has told you for years now to get meds and therapy.

    juanPee, did I tell you you fucked with the wrong guy? LMFAO

  5. Abraham van Helsing on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 7:20 am 

    Self-styled “moral super power” Sweden, that thought it was immune, is getting it’s liberal corona *ss kicked:

    https://twitter.com/cmhrrs/status/1244710002251763716/photo/1

  6. Ricky van Wolfswinkel on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 8:34 am 

    and while climate change kills billions my liquid farts will kill trillions! 🙂

  7. Rock Paper SHTF on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 10:45 am 

    There has never been a better time to stick ones head head up ones arse. The digital economy is a fantasy

  8. Roger Paper SHTF on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 10:48 am 

    Will somebody kick juanPee off this forum. Thank you

  9. Roger Rabbit on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 10:54 am 

    When I was in the rabbit hole I met juanPee. He is a lunatic and somebody needs to slap him silly.

  10. Roger Paper SHTF aka "the lover" (of muzzies) on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 11:14 am 

    muzzie took over mali a huge country

    muzzie said muzzielove virus is gift of allah on kufar

    ask urself cui bono

    muzzies

    muzzie in illinois said conquer america

    is this muzie amputated NO

    muzzie lovin is a problem

  11. Roger Paper SHTF aka "the lover" (of muzzies) on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 11:17 am 

    Rob Mielcarski on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 12:19 am

    After 30 years of dire warnings this is the first time that we’ve actually done something about climate change. Good thing because while the virus may kill millions, climate change will kill billions.

    take a long moment and contemplate the finest high english above

    it’s mostly used for lovin supremacist muzzies

    high english is used exclusively in higher ed to teach muzzing to kufar

  12. Roger Paper SHTF aka "the lover" (of muzzies) on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 11:20 am 

    why whitey supertard tom holland love muzzies less?

    this whitey supertard speaks exclusively high english. every now and then i became convinced my theory is kryptonite whitey supertards like tom holland came along and break it a thousand pieces

    this supertard is author of “muzzying: the untold story” which will be pulled soon

    gotta go back to the drawing board or maybe it’s salvageable, it can be tweaked

  13. Duncan Idaho on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 11:24 am 

    Trump has financial stake in malaria drug he’s been advocating
    https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Trump-s-Aggressive-Advocacy-of-Malaria-Drug-for-15183833.php

    Well, at least the Fat Boy is predicable.

  14. makako aka "the lover" (of muzzies) on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 11:47 am 

    all terror orgs are muzzie orgs
    List_of_designated_terrorist_groups

  15. makako aka "the lover" (of muzzies) on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 11:59 am 

    US says airstrike in Somalia kills an al-Shabab leader

    each of these missiles cost millions over there

    it costs very little to amputate muzzies here in america and the west.

    all muzzies are guity of breaking sharia and financing muzzies terror worldwide

  16. Abraham van Helsing on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 2:20 pm 

    Australia gets it: herd immunity.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8196229/Coronavirus-plan-expose-young-healthy-Australians-boost-immunity.html

    “’People have to get sick’: New plan to expose young, healthy Australians to coronavirus by easing social distancing restrictions ‘at a gentle pace’ in a bid to boost immunity“

  17. Abraham van Helsing on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 2:55 pm 

    EU commission president Ursula von der Leyen shows how to wash hands, while humming the Euro hymne:

    https://youtu.be/sLa_QiWulPE

  18. Dredd on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 5:11 pm 

    What photons … (Quantum Oceanography – 3).

  19. makati1 on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 5:25 pm 

    Nothing more than a huge power grab by the neos who want the One World government before there is nothing left of the earth’s resources. They are getting desperate. The species they want to ‘thin out’ is homo sapiens.

    I have seen NOTHING in the hundreds of articles I have read about this new flu that says it is any more dangerous then the normal flu that kill hundred of thousands every year. Yes, I said “hundreds of articles” on many web sites.

    The only ones who seem to be dying are those who would likely have not lived much longer anyway. The physically deformed,(yes even a baby that was not properly formed but lived to be born), the multi-diseased (Diabetes, obese, heart problems, lung problems, etc) and the old who are already dying from old age. Yes, after about age 25, we are ALL dying.

    Much hype in the “news” but little honest science or facts. An arranged power grab that is going to level the world to a standard that Amerikans are going to be shocked to live in. If you think your ‘freedoms’ are dying along with your country, you are correct Westerners, especially Amerika. “1984”? Or worse? We shall see.

  20. Davy on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 5:28 pm 

    LOL, more nonsense from the makato. This was an Asian fuck up than a cover up that infected the world. It has brought the world to its knees and for what because some stupid Chinese leaders could not take the bad press. That is all you need to know about makato’s AsiaUP. Own it makato and you should show some humility about this tragedy instead of pointing fingers as you do. Your world view is shit!!

  21. would grater triggered supremacist muzzies lovin on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 5:32 pm 

    makati1 on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 5:25 pm

    Nothing more than a huge power grab by the neos who want the One World government before there is nothing left of the earth’s resources. They are getting desperate. The species they want to ‘thin out’ is homo sapiens.

    take a long moment for deep reflection and deep contemplation of the high english supertard used above. high english is mainly used for expressing muzzie lovin

    this is swiss army knife of high english, the best grammar software one can buy

    ask urself cui bono

    muzzie in illinois said conquer america. did this muzzie get amputated NO

  22. SocialRestrictionComing on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 5:57 pm 

    I went to fill up my car in Montreal. Only three person where allow in the store. I had to wait outside the store until I was buzz in.
    Then I was ordered by the cashier to stand on one of the designed marking on the floor. I was on the last marking 6 meters away from the cash register. The cashier did not seem concerned about the disease. I give him cash. He had no glove and he seems relax and happy to take my cash.

    Same experience at the grocery store. Same cashiers as a month ago, cashiers were relax and did not respect social distancing rules. I told one employee at the grocery store that this is a hoax and he agreed with me.

    They won’t be able to hide this hoax much more longer.

    The international supply chain is not designed to work with all these COVID restrictions. The supply chain is designed to operate at top speed ,efficiently and with very few restriction. Supply chain won’t hold for long.

    Collapse of the worldwide supply chain because of COVID and debt, social revolution and chaos, electrical grid collapse, human race extinction.

  23. SocialRevolutionComing on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 6:13 pm 

    This COVID hoax has completed bankrupt the heatlth care system in US: hospitals and health care insurance companies are stopping operations. A lot of US hospitals are now not shutdown and I suspect it is because they went bankrupt and stop operations. Two videos that I like about this subjects.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gcu8I3Un-Ok

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hX5S0cVqSoM

  24. I AM THE MOB on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 6:21 pm 

    Social

    This was just a test run to see how people would react. The real shit show will start once they get a few more ducks in a row.

  25. makati1 on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 6:51 pm 

    LOL, more goat shit from the Delusional Missouri Jackass.

  26. makati1 on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 6:53 pm 

    MOB, I think you are correct. What will 2021 bring? The next installment? I think it may be even this year. A ‘virus rebound’? We shall see.

    I’m glad I do not live in the US police State once called Amerika. Very glad!

  27. I AM THE MOB on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 6:58 pm 

    Social

    Check out what just was published by The Lancet.

    “COVID-19: On average, only 6% of actual infections detected worldwide”
    https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-covid-average-actual-infections-worldwide.html

    Which of course means the mortality rate is likely only around 0.15.

    And check out what happens when you try to go to the link for “ScienceDaily” top science site for this.
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200406125507.htm

    Memory holed!

    They better wrap this up quickly. And then come out with their bible (911 commision) report. So they can bury this.

    I doubt they will pull it off. its just too obvious a lie because nobody even knows anyone who has it.

  28. I AM THE MOB on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 7:00 pm 

    Mak

    Check out this God level fear mongering.

    ‘Everyone’ will likely be infected with coronavirus ‘at some point,’ California health official says
    https://www.foxnews.com/health/everyone-will-likely-be-likely-be-infected-with-coronavirus-at-some-point-california-health-official-says

  29. I AM THE MOB on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 7:06 pm 

    California sheriff warns he could arrest residents for not wearing face masks

    A California sheriff warned the residents of his county Monday that they could face fines or imprisonment for violating an order to cover their faces in public during the coronavirus crisis.

    Riverside County Sheriff Chad Bianco made the announcement in a video posted to YouTube, just days after the department said it lost two deputies to fatal cases of COVID-19.

    “Right now, you could be a carrier of this virus, spreading it to your family and friends,” Bianco said.
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-sheriff-warns-could-arrest-residents-not-wearing-face-masks

    You will wear a mask and go a long. If you want to be apart of this family!

    LOL

  30. I AM THE MOB on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 7:35 pm 

    During a Pandemic, an Unanticipated Problem: Out-of-Work Health Workers

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/03/us/politics/coronavirus-health-care-workers-layoffs.html

    Woops! And by locking down the country. Most primary care doctors offices are closed. This is forcing everyone into the hospitals. So there argument that non emergency services being canceled. is the cause. Is pure BS.

  31. guess who is jihadin pls love muzzies more 1000x on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 7:36 pm 

    Three employees of a Knoxville truck stop were stabbed to death and a fourth person was wounded Tuesday

    guess who

  32. makati1 on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 8:34 pm 

    MOB, he is correct. Everyone is going to be apposed the the new virus eventually, just as I have been exposed to everything in my 75 years. It build up your immune system, which is why i am not afraid if the new flu. I have been exposed to everything from polio to the new flu and I am still here and healthy.

  33. I AM THE MOB on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 8:42 pm 

    Europe’s Top Scientist just quit and blasted the EU leaders.

    https://sciencebusiness.net/framework-programmes/news/sudden-resignation-erc-president-stirs-heated-dispute-over-motives

    HAHA!

  34. SocialRevolutionComing on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 9:04 pm 

    Across the country, plunging revenues from canceled nonemergency medical appointments have forced hospitals to furlough or cut the pay of doctors, nurses and other staff.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/03/us/politics/coronavirus-health-care-workers-layoffs.html

    COVID has bankrupted US hospitals, see above, forcing them to close. Africa has now better health care then US, their hospitals are at least opened, that is not the case in the US.

    US is now a third world nation with shitty health care.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hX5S0cVqSoM

  35. makati1 on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 9:24 pm 

    BTW: It’s fun watching the Amerikan snowflakes melt under the heat of reality.

  36. Duncan Idaho on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 9:25 pm 

    Voting?
    https://twitter.com/OmarJimenez/status/1247500202921078785

  37. Duncan Idaho on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 9:35 pm 

    “Everyone will now see just how vulnerable US shale is going to be.

    US shale growth is akin to a manual treadmill. While it is easier to increase speed initially, it is harder to maintain the speed in place.

    The moment the growth stops, the decline curve is dramatic and we are already seeing it in April production data.

    And this time is different than 2016 when a flood of private equity capital was ready to be injected into the Permian. There is no “steroid” capital today.

    For reference, we have said before that 2021 balances at the start of the year used ~13.4 mb/d for US oil production. Any number below this by the end of this year will be the equivalent market deficit going into 2021+. The larger the number, the higher oil prices have to be to incentivize production and destroy oil demand.”

  38. Abraham van Helsing on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 9:54 pm 

    “They won’t be able to hide this hoax much more longer.“

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8197549/Boris-Johnson-action-TWO-MONTHS.html

    “Boris Johnson could be off work at least a month: Experts warn the PM’s recovery from shock of intensive care may last into summer as stand-in Dominic Raab brands him ‘a fighter’“

    Experts said a ‘period of inactivity’ in intensive care would result in the Prime Minister suffering a significant loss of muscle mass and strength.

    They forecast Mr Johnson would be physically drained from fighting the virus, for which he has received oxygen in St Thomas’ Hospital in central London.

    Survivors who have been discharged from critical care also braced Mr Johnson for weeks of bed-rest to recuperate from the energy-sapping disease, drawing on their own ‘horrendous’ experiences of the road to recovery.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8198445/City-centre-coronavirus-outbreak-China-lockdown-lifted-three-months.html

    “Wuhan unlocked: Residents dash for trains and planes as Chinese city at the epicentre of coronavirus outbreak FINALLY has lockdown lifted after 76 days“

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8197073/Boris-Johnsons-father-Stanley-believes-PM-strength-beat-coronavirus.html

    “’He is optimistic, determined and resilient’: Boris Johnson’s father Stanley believes PM has the strength to beat coronavirus as he reveals he is being kept in the dark about his son’s condition“

    BoJo’s condition is a state secret, don’t believe a word they are saying.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8195611/How-bad-Dominic-Cummings-Boris-Johnsons-chief-adviser-not-No10.html

    “How ill is Dominic Cummings? Boris Johnson’s chief adviser is ‘not working in Number 10 and hasn’t been seen since running out of Downing Street before developing coronavirus symptoms’“

    The UK’s Brexit brains are likely down too.

    The national health effects will be limited indeed, but the social and economic effects will be enormous.

  39. Duncan Idaho on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 10:21 pm 

    “where the president (assumedly) was made to write “people die when I lie” a hundred times as punishment for his less than honest handling of the coronavirus pandemic.”

    I don’t think the Fat Boy can read or write very well.

  40. world grater supremacist muzzies jerk on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 10:24 pm 

    this is why whitey supertard president paul said to never feed anybody. he was known as whitey supertard “Doctor NO” that he didn’t vote raise tax. When his homely wife told him to “throw them some morsel, a consolation prize, a stimulus check” he said NO.
    Whitey supertard president paul said to defend liberty. your crisis doesn’t mean our loss of liberty.

    fmr

  41. I AM THE MOB on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 10:33 pm 

    CLogg

    Have reached the point where the number of celebrities and famous people infected is mathematically impossible?

  42. world grater supremacist muzzies jerk on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 10:46 pm 

    whitey supertard president paul said to be bitter clinger so we have something to roudn up muzies with. americans do good flooding to gun stores. i’m proud of americans

    my friend texted me about mandatory vaccination in florida and said she’s headed to a gun store. you go sister, don’t let some supremacist bag you. be a bitter clinger and not a bagger.

    luke 2236

    loyalty to (((supremetard))) is love for liberty.

    world grater supremacist muzzies bag day feb12021

  43. world grater supremacist muzzies jerk on Tue, 7th Apr 2020 11:01 pm 

    why whitey supertrad president turmp didn’t fire whitey supertard dr. fauci

    dr. faucy is a doctor so he knows about germophobes yes

    whitey supertard president trump is a germaphobe yes

    why whitey supertard dr. fauci didn’t warn whitey supertard president trump that people are using muzzielovinvirus to attack him in his vulnerable spot?

    ask urself
    cui bono

    muzzies

    did muzzie in illinois said conquer america get amputated NO

  44. I AM THE MOB on Wed, 8th Apr 2020 12:05 am 

    Duncan

    The show must go on..

    https://i.redd.it/7lscpns9pir41.jpg

  45. Abraham van Helsing on Wed, 8th Apr 2020 2:11 am 

    “Is There Room for Optimism?”

    Of course there is, after all we have Israel around, that can always be relied upon for a good laugh:

    “Israel health minister, who claims coronavirus is ‘divine punishment’ for homosexuality, tests positive for COVID-19”

  46. Abraham van Helsing on Wed, 8th Apr 2020 2:33 am 

    Geenstijl is the largest right-wing blog in the Netherlands and was owned until recently by the largest newspaper in the Netherlands, de Telegraaf. Come to think of it, it is the largest blog in the Netherlands, by far.

    As an appreciation for Boris Johnson as a flamboyant person sympathy with his possible plight (hopefully not), here the most hilarious BoJo-videos:

    https://www.geenstijl.nl/5152829/het-grote-boris-johnson-waarderingstopic/#more

  47. Lord Trump on Wed, 8th Apr 2020 2:56 am 

    its time we throw fat people in the oven!

  48. Abraham van Helsing on Wed, 8th Apr 2020 3:30 am 

    “Tante Cor” (Auntie Cor, 107) recovered from corona, probably oldest patient to do so world-wide:

    https://www.nu.nl/coronavirus/6043301/tante-cor-107-mogelijk-oudste-coronapatient-ter-wereld-die-genas.html

    Tante Cor attended a church service in her nursery home near Rotterdam in the Netherlands. As a result of the church service, 40 people got corona, ten of them died.

    #JesusLovesYou

  49. Abraham van Helsing on Wed, 8th Apr 2020 4:09 am 

    “Europe’s Top Scientist just quit and blasted the EU leaders.”

    Italian born, but US educated, prof. Ferrari has quit leadership EU healthcare program.
    Probably at a speed of 200 miles/hour.lol [*]

    Quitter, not up to the task, please go back to the US.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8198367/Head-EUs-science-panel-quits-COVID-19-response.html

    “Head of the EU’s top science body quits over the bloc’s ‘extremely disappointing’ response to the coronavirus crisis”

    The point is, so far the EU has no mutual health care program. Doesn’t need to, the underlying national states are well-organized by themselves. What foreigners don’t understand is that the EU “bureaucratic monster” has a budget of merely 1% EU GDP, where self-styled liberty champ US has a bloated government budget of 37%:

    https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-spending-to-gdp

    [*] – one is remembered of the classical joke former German chancellor Helmut Schmidt made when he visited a tank factory and a technician explained the virtues of the tank, namely that it was possible to attain a speed of 80 kmh in reverse gear. Schmidt: “this will no doubt interest the Italian government”.

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