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Heinberg: Puerto Rico is our Future
My hometown of Santa Rosa, California, and surrounding communities were decimated by wildfires during the week of October 9, with entire neighborhoods completely erased. If you want a sense of how bad the fires were, watch this 11-minute video clip put together by three Berkeley firefighters. For a more personal view of the consequences of the fires, check out this webcomic account by the husband of the Sonoma County Director of Human Services (the couple lost their home). My wife Janet and I voluntarily evacuated our house at 4am on October 10 (we were just outside a mandatory evacuation zone), after bundling our four sleepy chickens into the back of our car. We were among the fortunate ones: we were able to return home late that same day. Meanwhile 19 residents of Santa Rosa had lost their lives (the death toll throughout the region stands at over 40) and hundreds—including many of our friends as well as a former Post Carbon Institute employee and her family—had lost homes and belongings. We’re glad to be spared, and wish the best for those not so fortunate.
Richard
Puerto Rico is our Future
News reports tell of the devastation left by a direct hit from Category 4 Hurricane Maria. Puerto Ricans already coping with damage from Hurricane Irma, which grazed the island just days before, were slammed with an even stronger storm on September 20, bringing more than a foot of rain and maximum sustained winds of at least 140 miles per hour. There is still no electricity—and likely won’t be for weeks or months—in this U.S. territory of 3.4 million people, many of whom also lack running water. Phone and internet service is likewise gone. Nearly all of Puerto Rico’s greenery has been blown away, including trees and food crops. A major dam is leaking and threatening to give way, endangering the lives of tens of thousands. This is a huge unfolding tragedy. But it’s also an opportunity to learn lessons, and to rebuild very differently.
Climate change no doubt played a role in the disaster, as warmer water generally feeds stronger storms. This season has seen a greater number of powerful, land-falling storms than the past few years combined. Four were Category 4 or 5, and three of them made landfall in the U.S.—a unique event in modern records. Puerto Rico is also vulnerable to rising seas: since 2010, average sea levels have increased at a rate of about 1 centimeter (0.4 inches) per year. And the process is accelerating, leading to erosion that’s devastating coastal communities.
Even before the storms, Puerto Rico’s economy was in a tailspin. It depends largely on manufacturing and the service industry, notably tourism, but the prospects for both are dismal. The island’s population is shrinking as more and more people seek opportunities in the continental U.S.. Puerto Rico depends entirely on imported energy sources—including bunker oil for some of its electricity production, plus natural gas and coal. The Puerto Rico Electric Power Authority (PREPA) is a law unto itself, a monopoly that appears mismanaged (long close to bankruptcy), autocratic, and opaque. Over 80 percent of food is imported and the rate of car ownership is among the highest in the world (almost a car for each islander!).
To top it off, Puerto Rico is also in the throes of a debt crisis. The Commonwealth owes more than $70 billion to creditors, with an additional $50 billion in pension obligations. Puerto Rico’s government has been forced to dramatically cut spending and increase taxes; yet, despite these drastic measures, the situation remains bleak. In June 2015, Governor Padilla announced the Commonwealth was in a “death spiral” and that “the debt is not payable.” On August 3 of the same year, Puerto Rico defaulted on a $58 million bond payment. The Commonwealth filed for bankruptcy in May of this year after failing to raise money in capital markets.
A shrinking economy, a government unable to make debt payments, and a land vulnerable to rising seas and extreme weather: for those who are paying attention, this sounds like a premonition of global events in coming years. World debt levels have soared over the past decade as central banks have struggled to recover from the 2008 global financial crisis. Climate change is quickly moving from abstract scenarios to grim reality. World economic growth is slowing (economists obtusely call this “secular stagnation”), and is likely set to go into reverse as we hit the limits to growth that were first discussed almost a half-century ago. Could Puerto Rico’s present presage our own future?
If so, then we should all care a great deal about how the United States responds to the crisis in Puerto Rico. This could be an opportunity to prepare for metaphoric (and occasionally real) storms bearing down on everyone.
It’s relatively easy to give advice from the sidelines, but I do so having visited Puerto Rico in 2013, where I gave a presentation in the Puerto Rican Senate at the invitation of the Center for Sustainable Development Studies of the Universidad Metropolitana. There I warned of the inevitable end of world economic growth and recommended that Puerto Rico pave the way in preparing for it. The advice I gave then seems even more relevant now:
- Invest in resilience. More shocks are on the way, so build redundancy in critical systems and promote pro-social behavior so that people’s first reflex is to share and to help one another.
- Promote local food. Taking advantage of the island’s climate, follow the Cuban model for incentivizing careers in farming and increase domestic food production using permaculture methods.
- Treat population decline as an opportunity. Lots of people will no doubt leave Puerto Rico as a result of the storm. This represents a cultural and human loss, but it also opens the way to making the size of the population of the island more congruent with its carrying capacity in terms of land area and natural resources.
- Rethink transportation. The island’s current highway-automobile dominance needs to give way to increased use of bicycles, and to the provision of streetcars and and light rail. An interim program of ride- and car-sharing could help with the transition.
- Repudiate debt. Use aid money to build a sharing economy, not to pay off creditors. Take a page from the European “degrowth” movement. An island currency and a Commonwealth bank could help stabilize the economy.
- Build a different energy system. Patching up the old PREPA electricity generating and distribution system would be a waste of money. That system is both corrupt and unsustainable. Instead, invest reconstruction funds in distributed local renewables and low-power infrastructure.
These recommendations met with a polite response in 2013, but there was little subsequent evidence of a dramatic change of direction. That’s understandable: people tend to maintain their status quo as long as it’s viable. However, when people are in dire straits, they’re more likely to listen to unconventional advice. And when denial is no longer possible, they’re more likely to face reality.
In her book The Shock Doctrine, Naomi Klein described how free-market policy wonks and neoliberal economists—and the financial and corporate interests that back them—look for moments of crisis as opportunities to trap countries in a cycle of massive infrastructure projects, rising consumption, and debt. No doubt neoliberal vultures are readying to swoop down on Puerto Rico at this very moment with their brand of “aid.” The government and people of the island will have some important choices to make in the coming weeks—whether to double down on infrastructure investments that lock them into a brittle and unsustainable way of life, or to break out in a different direction. They might take inspiration from Greensburg, Kansas—a town that was devastated by a powerful tornado in 2007 and chose to rebuild as “the greenest town in America.”
Obviously, the Puerto Rican people have immediate needs for food, water, fuel, and medical care. We mainland Americans should be doing all we can to make sure that help reaches those in the throes of crisis. But Puerto Ricans—all Americans, indeed all humans—should be thinking longer-term about what kind of society is sustainable and resilient in this time of increasing vulnerability to disasters of all kinds.
76 Comments on "Heinberg: Puerto Rico is our Future"
Kenz300 on Sat, 28th Oct 2017 10:39 am
Sustainability is more than just a word.
How can communities be more resilient.
DerHundistlos on Sat, 28th Oct 2017 3:31 pm
When the extinction report is written for mankind it will read:
Somewhat clever advanced lifeform though selfish, violent, deadly to all other life forms, and entirely lacking in wisdom and the ability to think long-term. Failure//Do not regenerate.
Plantagenet on Sat, 28th Oct 2017 3:57 pm
If we rebuild PR now, will it all be destroyed again in another few years as global warming creates ever larger and more powerful hurricanes?
Cheers
onlooker on Sat, 28th Oct 2017 4:32 pm
Looks like AP”s non controversial theory that AGW is going to bankrupt societies is right on course. Of course we are not going to spend much resources on our little Hispanic hurricane prone colony. We do not even grant them the dignity of voting rights
onlooker on Sat, 28th Oct 2017 4:41 pm
Derhund , agree with everything you said about our extinction epitaph though we have been pretty deadly to each other as well.
Davy on Sat, 28th Oct 2017 7:22 pm
“The advice I gave then seems even more relevant now:”
I am all for his advice but I wonder how he thinks it will be paid for. This is the problem with fake greens today. They think affluence is green and it is not. You can buy green but what paid for that green was not green. My point is green does not pay for green just like renewables will not replicate themselves. This is a fake green fantasy.
“In her book The Shock Doctrine, Naomi Klein described how free-market policy wonks and neoliberal economists—and the financial and corporate interests that back them—look for moments of crisis as opportunities to trap countries in a cycle of massive infrastructure projects, rising consumption, and debt.”
Let’s face it that’s where the money is. It may be malinvestment longer term and it might be exploitive but in the shorter term this is where globalism’s riches are. You can’t have your Naomi cake and eat it. Choose to be poor with a sprinkling of the values Heinberg extols or choose to taste a sugar high of aid investment. Either way you are going to end up poor. Fully realizing Heinberg’s values happens to those who are already rich. Just like renewable energy and EV’s are a rich man’s game.
“No doubt neoliberal vultures are readying to swoop down on Puerto Rico at this very moment with their brand of “aid.” The government and people of the island will have some important choices to make in the coming weeks—whether to double down on infrastructure investments that lock them into a brittle and unsustainable way of life, or to break out in a different direction.”
Obviously Heinberg doesn’t get it because his different direction is not telling people like it is. The way it is consists of being exploited by the status quo and see some results or buck the status quo and be poor. Now, if the proper wisdom is employed then being poor and smart is not so bad at least for enlightened individuals. The problem is when you have a typical overshoot situation like Puerto Rico the alternative to the status quo is difficult to do. Too many people and not enough smart ones. To make being poor work you need to be smart. To be smart you likely have had to have some affluence behind you at some point. Do you see the trap?
An enlightened choice is to use the status quo to leave the status quo but the problem with this is people are either bought into the standard fake green agenda of sustainable affluence or the status quo of MOAR affluence of any kind which is a status quo stalwart. The way to leave the status quo is to reject it at its core and that core is affluence. This is practicing the wisdom of “less” and saying “NO”. It means yielding to greater forces instead of protesting and fighting it. It means staying under the radar. Since nobody is talking about the wisdom of “less” and “no” there is no hope green or status quo. Even embracing “less” and “no” offers little but the key point is the adapting to the reality of “less” and “no”. What I mean here is life is heading this way so if you embrace that trend then life will work to your benefit. We are wandering into a minefield of dangerous risks with every step with fake green and status quo. This is the nature of late term civilizations and that existential nature is “no” hope. The paradox behind this is accepting “no” hope allows one to adapt accordingly. That takes guts and most people today don’t have that.
Apneaman on Sat, 28th Oct 2017 7:44 pm
US winter has shrunk by more than one month in 100 years
Scientists find that climate change has helped push first frosts later across the country
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/28/us-winter-has-shrunk-by-more-than-one-month-in-100-years
Well that means less days shoveling the driveway.
Just trying to be positive.
makati1 on Sat, 28th Oct 2017 7:53 pm
Outside looking in…
” His is a terrific perspective … an American who lives in Germany for the past 18 year, and comes home again to discover an America he no longer knows, or identifies with….
It’s one thing to read about the United States in the news every day, or hear about the growing sociopolitical insanity from friends via the Internet. It is another thing altogether to come back to the land of one’s birth and citizenship for a few weeks, and to observe it all directly. That comfortable feeling of safe distance that some of us who live in calmer countries (calmer on the surface, at least) cherish and hold dear is, after only eight or nine hours in an airplane, gone….
But the contradictions are myriad and mind-boggling. In a country full of mentally disturbed and often strongly drugged people with deadly weapons, a status mostly sanctioned by law, there is a constant obsession with safety in daily life….
Many other things are startling to those of us who live elsewhere, even those like myself who come from this country. The number of enormously, hideously obese people one sees here cannot be compared with any other country on the planet, in my experience. Many of these people appear quite comfortable with their astonishing girth, wearing tight clothes that emphasize it rather than rendering it a bit more fashionable or less obvious….
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2017/10/28/an-american-sees-america-again-after-a-long-absence/#more-162364
I can relate to this persons view of America. I get it every time I go back to visit. Living outside the frog pot gives perspective about heating water.
Apneaman on Sat, 28th Oct 2017 8:14 pm
onlooker, it’s a convergence of overshoot consequences. AGW consequences are starting to hit big and many US mayors know it, but are having to deal with decades of irresponsible spending, declining net energy and infrastructure maintenance.
Large U.S. Cities Struggle
With High Fixed Costs
“Cities across the U.S. often feel the same pinch—trying to manage the typical costs of running a city, such as picking up trash and filling potholes, on top of ballooning retirement obligations and outstanding debts. Several major cities are struggling to keep up.
The culprit: As employees age and retire, cities are on the hook for funding more pensions and health-care benefits. In 2016, local governments faced a pension investment gap of $3.7 trillion, according to Moody’s Investors Service. Their predicament only worsens when cities fall behind in making those payments or their investments lag.”
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-cities-fixed-cost-ratios/
Notice the framing from the young millennial author – “The culprit:” = Greedy Boomers.
MASTERMIND on Sat, 28th Oct 2017 8:16 pm
Madkat sharing more fake news from the burning platform…LOL that is not an honest source…are you mentally retarded? Whats next Tyler Durden from Zerohedge, or alex jones or natural news…LOL I post peer reviewed scientific studies. And you have yet to refute any of them..You dimwit…
makati1 on Sat, 28th Oct 2017 8:41 pm
Muddymind’s closed mind is pinching his brain. lol
makati1 on Sat, 28th Oct 2017 8:50 pm
“The Washington Post and “60 Minutes” have just peeled back another sordid layer in the War on Drug by exposing Big Pharma’s role in expanding the Opiod Crisis that has resulted in more than 30,000 deaths per year.”
https://mises.org/wire/big-pharma-makes-drugs-please-regulators-not-customers
“OxyContin Nation: Meet The Billionaire Family Who Helped Spark America’s Opiod Crisis”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-28/oxycontin-nation-meet-billionaire-family-who-helped-spark-americas-opiod-crisis
“America’s oligarchy: No money for opioid crisis, endless funds for corporate tax cuts”
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/10/28/pers-o28.html
“Narcotics and Covert Intelligence: How the CIA Commandeered the “War on Drugs”
https://www.globalresearch.ca/narcotics-and-covert-intelligence-how-the-cia-commandeered-the-war-on-drugs/5475399
How the US won the “War on Drugs”. NOT!
Apneaman on Sat, 28th Oct 2017 10:00 pm
U.S. Hospitals Wrestle With Shortages of Drug Supplies Made in Puerto Rico
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/23/health/puerto-rico-hurricane-maria-drug-shortage.html
Some of These 101 Prescription Drugs – Made in Puerto Rico Before Hurricane Maria – May Soon Be Unavailable
With shortages looming, Insightus has identified the prescription drugs manufactured in Puerto Rico that the FDA refuses to name
http://insight-us.org/puerto_rico_drugs.html
Sorry grandpa, but it looks like it’s the end of the line for you. There is no more heart medication due to that AGW jacked hurricane and the POTUS dragging his feet. It was a nice run grandpa.
Apparently grandpa was a denier , so good riddance old retard.
Cloggie on Sat, 28th Oct 2017 10:57 pm
“OxyContin Nation: Meet The Billionaire Family Who Helped Spark America’s Opiod Crisis”
If wikipedia calls this satanic Sackler cretin a “philantropist” than you already know you are dealing with The Tribe.
“As a few parasitical elites make billions flooding America’s streets with opioids. We the every day American citizen have to deal with the consequences, as President Trump outlined in yesterday’s opioid crisis speech”
“Bottomline: It’s time for the American people to learn the truth about the opioid crisis and the very few elites who have profited. The question You should ask: why did our government allow this to happen?”
Answer: because these socalled “elite’s” own the US, that is why and intentional destroy it. God, does that country needs a classical cleanup operation.
makati1 on Sat, 28th Oct 2017 11:08 pm
Cloggie, the denier flag waving Americans don’t see the corruption all around them. Or they are benefiting from it. As you say, there is a great leveling happening there and it is being orchestrated by the elite. I see it. You see it. Anyone outside of the US sees it. The frog in the pot syndrome I guess.
makati1 on Sat, 28th Oct 2017 11:24 pm
An example of Amrrica’s insanity…
“McCain’s completely fatuous account of recent world history befits a Navy pilot who was adept at crashing his planes and almost sank his own aircraft carrier. He also made propaganda radio broadcasts for the North Vietnamese after he was captured. The McCain globalist-American Exceptionalism narrative is also, unfortunately, echoed by the media.”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-28/mutual-assured-destruction
A brain damaged traitor and warmonger running the US military. American insanity.
Sissyfuss on Sun, 29th Oct 2017 12:27 am
The present condition of Puerto Rico is a result of overshoot meeting climate disruption. And that is the future of all of us. Another similarity is our shared economic malaise. They didn’t listen to Heinberg before and they and we aren’t listening now. The system and those in charge are not about to allow any changes that would usurp their
authority or reduce their amount of plunder in the least. They lose no sleep if their products, be it food or drugs, are poisoning tens of thousands every year. They’ll just keep finding new customers to keep the profit flowing. Jefferson was right to say that the tree of Liberty needs to be refreshed with the blood of tyrants on a regular basis.
Davy on Sun, 29th Oct 2017 4:32 am
“As a few parasitical elites make billions flooding America’s streets with opioids.”
You got Amsterdam and mad kat has the Duerte hell.
Theedrich on Sun, 29th Oct 2017 4:37 am
P.R. muds want Whitey to solve their problems. So what else is new? They took the standard Spic approach (approved by the Vatican’s Papa Frank) to la dolce vita: Marxism, Venezuelan-style.
On the mainland U.S., the political bloodsuckers and anarchists, constantly preaching the insanity of Judeo-Cretinity, demand that Whites turn their fortunes over to the low-IQ paranthropoids since, per the standard propaganda line, Jeezus will then pay Whitey back after he is in the grave. Meanwhile, Chosenite-run America promotes stupidity in all its forms, especially through addiction. The masses must not be awakened. Hopelessness is preferable to doing anything forceful about the evisceration of the White middle class. Because that would be fascist, or even (shudder) National Socialist. Halting evolution is the way to go.
Cloggie on Sun, 29th Oct 2017 5:04 am
“As a few parasitical elites make billions flooding America’s streets with opioids.”
You got Amsterdam and mad kat has the Duerte hell.
American life expectancy is the only one in the world that is declining. Reason: demoralization and lack of perspective or rather the very real perspective of becoming a third world country, organized by your deep state.
Again watch this 4 hour Dutch 2016 documentary about “ordinary Americans”, a documentary very sympathetic towards America (a sympathy I share) and you will verify that most Americans are negative about the future and the US government in particular:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCPh4Psv3SM
The life expectancy in Holland is rapidly increasing. New born Dutch children a staggering 93 (f) and 90 (m).
https://nltimes.nl/2016/09/14/dutch-life-expectancy-increasing
You better worry about your terrible drug-problem.
Davy on Sun, 29th Oct 2017 5:16 am
“American life expectancy is the only one in the world that is declining. Reason: demoralization and lack of perspective or rather the very real perspective of becoming a third world country, organized by your deep state.”
Intellectual bum, don’t cherry pic the data and chose your data set to suit your agenda. It depends on what class you look at and where you are looking. The country is a big place with 1st world and 3rd world characteristics but you would not know you never been here.
“Again watch this 4 hour Dutch 2016 documentary”
Again I am not going to watch your stupid movies. Show the friggen data intellectual bum. There is a reason you are here and that is because you can be an anti-American troll. Why not spend your time with your Dutch dumbasses talking Jew baiting shit or deal with your worries of when you become a Muslim nation. WTF loser.
makati1 on Sun, 29th Oct 2017 5:30 am
“Rising fatalities from heart disease and stroke, diabetes, drug overdoses, accidents and other conditions caused the lower life expectancy revealed in a report released Thursday by the National Center for Health Statistics. In all, death rates rose for eight of the top 10 leading causes of death….
Death rates rose for white men, white women and black men. They stayed essentially even for black women and Hispanic men and women. …
Life expectancy at age 65 did not fall, another indication that the diseases behind the lower life expectancy occur in middle age or younger. At 65, men can expect to live 18 more years, while women survive an average of 20.6 more years, the data shows….”
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/08/health/life-expectancy-us-declines.html
or
http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/12/08/504667607/life-expectancy-in-u-s-drops-for-first-time-in-decades-report-finds
or
https://www.wsj.com/articles/life-expectancy-for-white-americans-declines-1461124861
or
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-life-expectancy-declines-first-time-in-decades/
Obesity, drugs, guns and desperation is bringing the 3rd world to America.
Cloggie on Sun, 29th Oct 2017 5:53 am
There is a reason you are here and that is because you can be an anti-American troll.
Really? I am the most pro-American here on this board and you are the #1 anti-American here, because of your empire support, which is good for Washington and arms traders only, but very bad for European-America.
Before the election I was the most vocal Trump-supporter because of his agenda:
– building a wall
– buddying up with Russia
– Draining the (((Swamp)))
If I were anti-American (anti-European American) I would not want that. But I do not want to see the demise of European-America, hence I support the wall. And giving a certain tribe a political haircut; ask apneaman who I mean.
But you in contrast do not give a damn about European-America, cause that would be “raysist and shit”. You only care about carriers and keeping a foothold in South-Korea and 900 other bases of 12 m2 or larger.
And yes I attack Washington and the Empire but not ordinary Americans.
Davy on Sun, 29th Oct 2017 6:25 am
“Really? I am the most pro-American here on this board and you are the #1 anti-American here, because of your empire support, which is good for Washington and arms traders only, but very bad for European-America.”
Shut up asswipe when talking to an American who knows how much you hate the place. What a piece of shit.
But you in contrast do not give a damn about European-America
Asswipe stick in in your ass because this is my country not yours.
“You only care about carriers and keeping a foothold in South-Korea and 900 other bases of 12 m2 or larger.”
Please, MR word stuffer, reference where I said that. You can google the board to put down anything I have said then I will moderate your extremism and we can then rationally determine what was said. BTW, we have gone over the fictitious nature of the wild exaggeration of 900 military bases. It is much less and they’re focused in 3 locations. Get real and quit your extremist sensationalism.
And yes I attack Washington and the Empire but not ordinary Americans.
Fuck off asswipe, you are a lying sack of shit. LMFAO
JuanP on Sun, 29th Oct 2017 9:01 am
Yes, Puerto Rico’s present is our future. The place is broke and overpopulated. Their lifestyle is completely unsustainable. I don’t expect things in PR to get better any time soon. If I lived there and understood what’s happening I would leave the island. I suspect that is what is happening. Only people in denial would stay in a place like that; the type of people that have kids in today’s world. Another domino has fallen, another chair has been removed, and the games go on. Music please!
Apneaman on Sun, 29th Oct 2017 9:49 am
I agree with Davy that clog is only here to stir up shit as part of his demented agenda.
Apneaman on Sun, 29th Oct 2017 9:55 am
Here’s a peek of Europe’s future.
Russian news report reveals thousands of Africans held in Libyan slave camps awaiting shipment to Europe
“Hundreds of thousands of Africans are being held in what are essentially slave camps under brutal conditions, awaiting shipment to Europe via a network of pro-immigration NGOs and human traffickers. It is an eye-opener.
The EU only has itself to blame for this next tsunami of refugees about to storm their shores. The refugees are merely riding the blood red tidal wave NATO-backed wars.
While Italy didn’t plan the Libyan War, they were compliant as their NATO masters leveled a stable country – formally one of the richest in Africa.”
http://bit.ly/2hlhxlC
clog, it’s almost time to get locked and loaded.
Cloggie on Sun, 29th Oct 2017 10:24 am
Answer to ape:
https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2017/10/29/post/
The original post disappeared.
DerHundistlos on Mon, 30th Oct 2017 12:02 am
The streets in America are not “flooded with opioids”. This is so typical of the internet where the same story falls into a continuous loop and echo chamber. Where is your outrage over alcohol related deaths, which dwarf the number of deaths due to heroin and pain medication. According to the CDC, 100.000 Americans die every year from alcohol related disease and accidents- an increase of 37% since 2002. This compares to 28.000 who die from Heroin and prescription painkillers.
There are MANY poor and people of color who despite facing terrible pain, are forced to suffer the tortures of hell. I knew and helped such a person. Thankfully, he was allowed to die in dignity.
By the way, what do you suggest. Build more prisons? Failed policy. Make pain medication illegal? Fine but that applies to you as well. As a North American male you have a 50+% chance of developing cancer. So when the cancer has ravaged your body and you are screaming for relief, if you are honest, aspirin and motrin is all you get. My uncle was a tough guy who always stated that he would never allow his mind to be clouded by narcotics, until HE became ill. Once HE confronted pain tortures of hell, his story about never using changed in an instant.
makati1 on Mon, 30th Oct 2017 1:48 am
Leading causes of death in the US:
Heart disease: 633,842
• Cancer: 595,930
• Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 155,041
• Accidents (unintentional injuries): 146,571
• Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 140,323
• Alzheimer’s disease: 110,561
• Diabetes: 79,535
• Influenza and pneumonia: 57,062
• Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 49,959
• Intentional self-harm (suicide): 44,193
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm
Deaths in 2017 to date:
Heart Disease: 509,342
Cancer: 490,565
Tobacco: 290,177
Obesity: 254,527
Medical Errors: 208,475
Stroke: 110,353
Lower Respiratory Disease: 118,511
Accident (unintentional): 112,799
Hospital Associated Infection: 82,079
Alcohol: 82,908
Diabetes: 63,415
Alzheimer’s Disease: 77553
Influenza/Pneumonia: 45787
Kidney Failure: 35453
Blood Infection: 27,744
Suicide: 35,462
Drunk Driving: 28,029
Unintentional Poisoning: 26,330
All Drug Abuse: 20,731
Homicide: 13,928
Prescription Drug Overdose: 12,436
Murder by gun: 9,529
etc.
http://www.romans322.com/daily-death-rate-statistics.php
Interesting!
makati1 on Mon, 30th Oct 2017 1:51 am
However:
“1. 2016 Provisional US Drug Overdose Data via Centers for Disease Control
Total provisional count of drug overdose deaths in the US for the 12-month period ending in December 2016: 71,135.
Attributed to synthetic opioids (excluding methadone): 19,547
Attributed to heroin: 15,564
Attributed to natural and semi-synthetic opioids: 14,550
Attributed to cocaine: 10,479
Attributed to psychostimulants with abuse potential: 7,602
Attributed to methadone: 3,393
Provisional count of drug overdose deaths in the US for the 12-month period ending in December 2015: 51,335.
Attributed to heroin: 13,051
Attributed to natural and semi-synthetic opioids: 12,747
Attributed to synthetic opioids (excluding methadone): 9,610
Attributed to cocaine: 6,841
Attributed to psychostimulants with abuse potential: 5,777
Attributed to methadone: 3,309
http://www.drugwarfacts.org/chapter/causes_of_death
I would consider a 39% death increase in one year to be a disaster in the making. If that trend continues …
DerHundistlos on Mon, 30th Oct 2017 4:24 am
My statistics come directly from the Centers for Disease Control.
Firstly, what do you mean to imply by placing “#1” as the header for your statistics? Also, it’s inaccurate to quote statistics for 2016 when the CDC has calculated hard statistics only through 2014 of 28.000. Finally, the organization, http://www.drugwarfacts, has a vested interest (i.e. $$$$$$$$$) to pump-up the numbers. IOW, total BS.
Hello on Mon, 30th Oct 2017 4:49 am
mak, what’s your point with your statistics?
You realize that people die eventually, all of them, right? Even the phillipinos. Right?
So having heart and cancer as the top killer is actually a pretty good notice. Meaning everything else, all the curable stuff got cured.
makati1 on Mon, 30th Oct 2017 5:37 am
Really Der? The last post said that that data came from the CDC or didn’t you notice? You might want to check these figures on the CDC website.
“… 47,055 drug overdose deaths that occurred in 2014 in the United States…”
“During 2015, drug overdoses accounted for 52,404 U.S. deaths…”
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/65/wr/mm655051e1.htm
“2016 Provisional US Drug Overdose Data via Centers for Disease Control. … Figures above based on data available for analysis on Oct. 1, 2017.”
I would say that that “provisional” classifier means that there may be more deaths, but those are the data as of that date, Oct. 1, 2017.
I would bet they are actually higher. And if the trend continues, 2017 will be over 100,000, We shall see.
Davy on Mon, 30th Oct 2017 5:46 am
mad kat is in a dementia state he can’t rationalize his thoughts that he too is facing these same dangers. He thinks it is only the other guy. He regularly tells us he will live to 100. Poor guy will need someone to wipe his ass in just a few years but no family around to do it. There are no nursing homes in the P’s to take him. I imagine his family is glad he is gone. I mean what family would care about a crazy grandpa that is preaching daily about their untimely death.
makati1 on Mon, 30th Oct 2017 5:46 am
Hello, you do notice that the use of drugs, both legal and illegal, has hit the hockey stick moment on the chart in the US? The US is well on the way to be 3rd world by 2020.
What “curable stuff”. Colds? Flu? That list has over 40 causes if death on its website. Yes, we all die, but many of those causes of death are self imposed by lifestyle and bad habits, like drugs, alcohol, smoking, over eating, etc.
I’m healthy at 73 because I did not smoke, drank alcohol only on occasion, never used drugs and am well inside the healthy BMI (24.4). Not to mention eating a healthy diet and getting a lot of exercise. I likely have another 20 years or more. Do you?
Davy on Mon, 30th Oct 2017 5:54 am
Mad kat, drugs use is stable. Drug use just change forms. The opioid crisis is more hype to get more money for another drug war. Yea it is bad but not what it is claimed to be. Alcoholism is rampant in the world and it is bad too. You have a meth epidemic in Asia. Mad kat so who cares if these deaths are self-imposed? Death is death. You need higher death rates in the P’s with your 100MIL overpopulation that is 10 times carrying capacity. Asia needs to lose 3.5BIL. Do you ever think about that, dumbass? Wow that is an eye opener for a few years down the road. You are a braggart about your health. You told us here you did not drink the other day, WTF. BMI, bullshit, you better put on the weigh mad kat because it won’t be long until you are going to be hungry. Damn, now you downsized your life expectancy to 93. You were claiming 100. What a friggen bozo.
Hello on Mon, 30th Oct 2017 5:54 am
>>> I’m healthy at 73 because I did not smoke
Good for you. Let’s give everybody the choice and the responsibility without judging.
Which life is better lived? The one to the age of 55, lived and enjoyed in full indulgence?
Or the one lived to 100, always on the boring and healthy side?
It’s not mine and not yours to judge.
Hello on Mon, 30th Oct 2017 6:01 am
>>>> I would consider a 39% death increase in one year to be a disaster in the making. If that trend continues …
The trend doesn’t continue. Once an issue becomes a big enough problem, awareness grows and resources are diverted to solve or contain the problem. Always works like that.
Remember ebola from 2 or 3 years back? If the trend continued we would all be dead by now. But the trend didn’t continue.
I’m surprised that with your life experience you don’t know that.
Hello on Mon, 30th Oct 2017 6:07 am
http://www.doh.gov.ph/mortality
Here’s mortality for the philipines.
Heart disease leading by a wide margin. You guys don’t life so healthy, do you?
Shit, statistics look pretty much the same as for any other nation not getting enough exercise, smoking too much and eating too unhealthy.
And I expected all healthy people in the phillipines. Damn, was I wrong…
makati1 on Mon, 30th Oct 2017 6:27 am
“Pharmaceutical CEO arrested for bribing doctors to prescribe powerful opioid”
“”In the midst of a nationwide opioid epidemic that has reached crisis proportions, Mr. Kapoor and his company stand accused of bribing doctors to overprescribe a potent opioid and committing fraud on insurance companies solely for profit,” said Acting United States Attorney William D. Weinreb.”
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2017/10/26/Pharmaceutical-CEO-arrested-for-bribing-doctors-to-prescribe-powerful-opioid/2841509067792/
Your masters want to have total control over you. And, it is profitable. lol
makati1 on Mon, 30th Oct 2017 6:36 am
“The agency also noted that although the greater role of prescription drugs in U.S. health care had led to better treatment of heart disease, diabetes and other conditions, it also had contributed to serious problems such as the overprescribing of antibiotics and the ongoing overuse and abuse of prescription painkillers.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2015/11/03/more-americans-than-ever-are-taking-prescription-drugs/?utm_term=.a08878be8165
“Synthetic Fentanyl Deaths Rise in Americans Opioid Epidemic”
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/americas-heroin-epidemic/synthetic-fentanyl-deaths-rise-americans-opioid-epidemic-n814956
“Federal Survey Finds 119 Million Americans Use Prescription Drugs”
http://www.npr.org/2016/09/08/493157917/federal-survey-finds-119-million-americans-use-prescription-drugs
“Ten percent of Americans admit illegal drug use” (That is only those who admit it.)
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ten-percent-of-americans-admit-illegal-drug-use/
And on and on in 3rd world America.
BTW: Epidemic: affecting or tending to affect a disproportionately large number of individuals within a population, community, or region at the same time. M-W
Davy on Mon, 30th Oct 2017 6:48 am
more of the morning ritual with dementia man 1&2 trumpeting their emotional agendas.
Cloggie on Mon, 30th Oct 2017 6:53 am
Perhaps TheLoseHound can explaing why DJT, not the most sensitive guy around, feels forced to take measures against this drug poisoning:
https://www.statnews.com/2017/10/27/opioid-epidemic-trump-declaration/
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/23/health/heroin-opioid-drug-overdose-deaths-visual-guide/index.html
Horrible picture that went around the world:
http://tinyurl.com/yarvkmdk
Top 15 US cities where 4 to 12% of the population are essentially opium addicts:
https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/most-addicted-cities-behind-8-billion-opiate-epidemic.html/?a=viewall
Davy on Mon, 30th Oct 2017 7:34 am
words for links clogg, show the article’s words not your bias.
Cloggie on Mon, 30th Oct 2017 8:51 am
Davy begins to try (in vain) to impose format restrictions on the posts of his fellow debaters.
As if only then he would be interested in commenting them. He isn’t. He is only interested in acting as a Potemkin facade of his crumbling empire and attacking everybody who says that the emperor wears no clothes.
For Davy it is more important for the US to have an anachronistic foothold in Korea and set his country up for a humiliating defeat in the near future against China rather than spending money on a proper health care system. And border control.
Davy on Mon, 30th Oct 2017 9:20 am
clogged let me give you some advice. Follow Ape how he links, references his assertions then comments with an assertion. You on the other hand are a fraud and an intellectual bum. You are bias and distorts the true facts by deception.
Cloggie on Mon, 30th Oct 2017 9:23 am
You folks have been following advice from apneaman types for far too long.
I think I stick to my old method.
Patience Davy, one more week at the most and you will be rid of me and you can fantasize how the entire world will collapse, together with the US.
Davy on Mon, 30th Oct 2017 9:38 am
sure you will clogged because that allows you to fake the data. Your revisions and fantasy results just need a sugar coating of a link you say tells it all.LOL. Even mad kat has been trying harder lately to properly deliver his extremism. You on the other hand would have to slow down your dubious data puking. Your fake shazam effect would not looks so colorful. You are a fraud.
Cloggie on Mon, 30th Oct 2017 9:38 am
Finally a real political refugee in Europe!
Catalan secessionist leader Puigdemont flees to Brussels and applies for political asylum
https://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/ousted-catalan-leader-carles-puigdemont-travels-to-brussels-for-political-asylum-36273620.html
This is probably the end of the secessionist movement in Catalonia.
Rightwing country Spain has survived a leftist-globalist land-grab of big city dwellers. Spanish deplorables said no.
End of story.