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Fossil Food & Agriculture – Richard Heinberg Q&A

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While researching the topic of sustainable agriculture for a paper, high school junior Rhian Moore came across the work of PCI Senior Fellow Richard Heinberg. Rhian reached out to Richard for more information on the topic. Below are Rhian’s questions and Richard’s brief responses. We think they make for a nice primer of sorts. 

Rhian: Is there a correlation between the use of oil and fossil fuels and the imbalance of food (the fact that some countries waste a lot of food while in others, the majority of the people are starving) in the world? 

Richard:There are many factors leading to food imbalance: per-capita incomes, soil quality, and rainfall are all important. Globally, the use of fossil fuels per capita correlates fairly well with incomes per capita, and this can be seen as a chicken-or-egg issue: the use of fossil fuels generates wealth (we use oil, for example, to power machinery to do all kinds of work that creates wealth), while wealth is required in order to purchase fossil fuels. The combination of access to fuels and access to technology creates a kind of wealth pump that suctions resources from the environment, transforms them into products, and produces jobs and incomes. Countries that have the wealth pump in place can afford food, even if it’s imported. Of course, a big part of that wealth pump often consists of industrial agriculture: with fuel-fed farm machinery, and fossil-fuel-based fertilizers and chemicals, people can effectively pump food out of the land. In some countries in Africa there is oil, yet the people starve—how can that be? It’s because the oil is exported, with revenues going to a very small clique who control the country. Technology isn’t present to use fuel domestically to create the wealth needed to buy enough food for everyone.

Rhian: What are some monumental steps, especially from policymakers, taken recently to create a more sustainable global food system? What needs to be done in the future?  

Richard: I do not know of any monumental steps that have been taken recently—mostly only small ones. Some agencies (such as UNCTAD) are advising localization of the global food system, promotion of organic production, and an end to policies that disadvantage subsistence farmers. However, those recommendations fly in the face of most national policies (including those of the USDA here in America), which promote giant agribusiness and fuel-dependent farming. Probably the most important work is being done by small organizations and independent farmers who are working to build local food systems and who are growing on an ecological model (Permaculture, Biodynamics, Bio-intensive, etc.) that seeks to build topsoil rather than destroying it, using a minimum of fossil fuel inputs.

Rhian: Do you believe there are any positive sides to industrial agriculture that prolong its existence? As for the negative sides, what are the most severe consequences?

Richard: There are two significant advantages to modern industrial agriculture: (1) it produces an enormous amount of food, relatively cheaply; and (2) it is very profitable for seed, chemical, fertilizer, and equipment companies, and for large-scale farmers.

The negatives: (1) it destroys soil and biodiversity; (2) it relies upon depleting, non-renewable resources such as oil and rock phosphate; (3) it contributes to climate change through use of fossil fuels, deforestation, and de-carbonization of the soil; (4) industrial food is often low in nutrients (especially true if the food is highly processed), contributing to the problems of obesity and degenerative disease; and (5) industrial agriculture tends to favor large-scale growers, so that millions of self-sufficient small growers are forced into poverty.

Rhian: You say that in order to take steps toward solving the problem, we need to get more people involved in the process of food production. How is this re-ruralization going to help our situation?

Richard: As oil becomes more expensive, and as we reduce fossil fuel consumption in order to avert catastrophic climate change, we will have to re-localize our food systems and grow more organically. We will also need many more growers, as we currently use oil to substitute for human labor. With more people involved in food production, more people will have a daily interaction with weather, soil, and biodiversity; they will therefore take better care of the environment. We will also process our food less (as that takes energy), and as a result we will eat more nourishing food—and with more exercise and better food our health will improve.

Rhian: What is the role of business in our effort to create a more sustainable global food system?

Richard: Many hundreds of small businesses are already involved. These include organic farms, restaurants that use local and organic foods, food wholesalers and retailers that specialize in local and organic foods, schools that train young farmers in new organic methods, companies that sell organic open-pollinated varieties, companies that sell farm equipment appropriate for use on small organic farms, and so on.

Rhian: How can we take steps to make consumers aware of the consequences of a fossil fuel-dependent agricultural society, and how can they take action?

Richard: The organic food industry does a fairly good job of communicating the issues; unfortunately, organic food is more expensive, and so many people cannot afford to contribute to its social and environmental benefits. Therefore food policy is important. Some cities have school food policies that favor buying food from local producers, even local organic producers. And many schools have school gardens that contribute food to lunch programs. When students understand what it takes to grow food, and feel the benefits of eating minimally-processed foods, they are likely to make food choices that benefit both themselves and the environment.

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6 Comments on "Fossil Food & Agriculture – Richard Heinberg Q&A"

  1. actioncjackson on Mon, 3rd Dec 2012 9:46 pm 

    As opposed to the McDonald’s drive through and ordering a large number six, crispy, with a Diet Coke and a large M&M McFlurry.

  2. Rick on Tue, 4th Dec 2012 12:25 am 

    I like Richard H. a lot. He tells it like it is, and the world should have more like him. The Q and A mentioned climate change. For me that’s the biggest issue. And for me there’s nothing that can be done to change it’s course. Not now, 50 years ago maybe.

    Today is 12.3.12, and in the Chicagoland area, it’s 70°. I’m fine with that, but most don’t understand, this is very bad. Sure it keeps your heating bills lower, if you have any at all. No snow to shovel, etc. But sooner or later, mostly sooner, farmers won’t be able to grow crops.

    In short, you will soon see food basket areas, in this country and worldwide, become deserts. I say faster than most think.

    I’m not a doomer, but one who gets it.

    I hope I’m wrong.

  3. BillT on Tue, 4th Dec 2012 1:15 am 

    Soon “Black Friday” may not just be the day after thanksgiving when millions stampede in the prospects of getting a good deal on the latest electro-toy, but a year round event when you are just trying to keep from starving.

    “That cannot happen in the US” you say. Really? Why not? Do you really know where all of your food comes from and how it comes into being? I bet not. Look at the labels next time you shop. If it is winter and you are eating fresh fruits and vegies, they were trucked or flown in yesterday. If you are drinking coffee, it came by ship and then truck to your grocery shelf. If you had a hot cup of cocoa, ditto.

    America’s food is 99.999% reliant on oil to exist in your local market. All fraking bullshit aside, when oil disappears, so will most of what you normally eat.

  4. Kenz300 on Wed, 5th Dec 2012 6:36 pm 

    Quote — ” Is there a correlation between the use of oil and fossil fuels and the imbalance of food (the fact that some countries waste a lot of food while in others, the majority of the people are starving) in the world?”

    ———————–

    Is there a correlation between poverty and high birth rates in poor countries?

  5. Barry Rapoport (@morethanjustus) on Fri, 7th Dec 2012 2:29 pm 

    Marshall Willoughby is an enormous human resource in Gary. He re-posted this discussion and lives/acts by his beliefs. He is resourceful enough to live off the grid and sustain himself from his land and his social resources. By identifying individuals like Marshall as a community leader, teacher and resource Gary can become a leader in living closer to the earth and each other.

  6. acitizen on Mon, 10th Dec 2012 11:20 pm 

    it’s amazing how these poor countries with no food still find the energy to procreate like rabbits and create the enormous population mess that of course will lead to them starving with not enough food to feed their huge numbers. It’s odd that the countries with high amounts of food production such as the US dropped in population (native born, not illegal aliens flooding in. Which leads me to believe that starvation is more a cultural thing than lack of resources. If you breed yourself into starvation with not enough food to go around, what else could possibly be the result but what we see in places such as Africa and India.

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