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Eight insights based on December 2017 energy data
BP recently published energy data through December 31, 2017, in its Statistical Review of World Energy 2018. The following are a few points we observe, looking at the data:
[1] The world is making limited progress toward moving away from fossil fuels.
The two bands that top fossil fuels that are relatively easy to see are nuclear electric power and hydroelectricity. Solar, wind, and “geothermal, biomass, and other” are small quantities at the top that are hard to distinguish.
Figure 1. World energy consumption divided between fossil fuels and non-fossil fuel energy sources, based on data from BP 2018 Statistical Review of World Energy 2018.
Wind provided 1.9% of total energy supplies in 2017; solar provided 0.7% of total energy supplies. Fossil fuels provided 85% of energy supplies in 2017. We are moving away from fossil fuels, but not quickly.
Of the 252 million tons of oil equivalent (MTOE) energy consumption added in 2017, wind added 37 MTOE and solar added 26 MTOE. Thus, wind and solar amounted to about 25% of total energy consumption added in 2017. Fossil fuels added 67% of total energy consumption added in 2017, and other categories added the remaining 8%.
[2] World per capita energy consumption is still on a plateau.
In recent posts, we have remarked that per capita energy consumption seems to be on a plateau. With the addition of data through 2017, this still seems to be the case. The reason why flat energy consumption per capita is concerning is because oil consumption per capita normally rises, based on data since 1820.1 This is explained further in Note 1 at the end of this article. Another reference is my article, The Depression of the 1930s Was an Energy Crisis.
Figure 2. World energy consumption per capita, based on BP Statistical Review of World Energy 2018 data.
While total energy consumption is up by 2.2%, world population is up by about 1.1%, leading to a situation where energy consumption per capita is rising by about 1.1% per year. This is within the range of normal variation.
One thing that helped energy consumption per capita to rise a bit in 2017 relates to the fact that oil prices were down below the $100+ per barrel range seen in the 2011-2014 period. In addition, the US dollar was relatively low compared to other currencies, making prices more attractive to non-US buyers. Thus, 2017 represented a period of relative affordability of oil to buyers, especially outside the US.
[3] If we view the path of consumption of major fuels, we see that coal follows a much more variable path than oil and natural gas. One reason for the slight upturn in per capita energy consumption noted in [2] is a slight upturn in coal consumption in 2017.
Figure 3. World oil, coal, and natural gas consumption through 2017, based on BP Statistical Review of World Energy 2018.
Coal is different from oil and gas, in that it is more of a “drill it as you need it” fuel. In many parts of the world, coal mines have a high ratio of human labor to capital investment. If prices are high enough, coal will be extracted and consumed. If prices are not sufficiently high, coal will be left in the ground and the workers laid off. According to the BP Statistical Review of World Energy 2018, coal prices in 2017 were higher than prices in both 2015 and 2016 in all seven markets for which they provide indications. Typically, prices in 2017 were more than 25% higher than those for 2015 and 2016.
The production of oil and natural gas seems to be less responsive to price fluctuations than coal.2 In part, this has to do with the very substantial upfront investment that needs to be made. It also has to do with the dependence of governments on the high level of tax revenue that they can obtain if oil and gas prices are high. Oil exporters are especially concerned about this issue. All players want to maintain their “share” of the world market. They are reluctant to reduce production, regardless of what prices do in the short term.
[4] China is one country whose coal production has recently ticked upward in response to higher coal prices.
Figure 4. China’s energy production by fuel, based on BP Statistical Review of World Energy 2018 data.
China has been able to bridge the gap by using an increasing amount of imported fuels. In fact, according to BP, China was the world’s largest importer of oil and coal in 2017. It was second only to Japan in the quantity of imported natural gas.
[5] China’s overall energy pattern appears worrying, despite the uptick in coal production.
Figure 5. China’s energy production by fuel plus its total energy consumption, based on BP Statistical Review of World Energy 2018 data.
If China expects to maintain its high GDP growth ratio as a manufacturing country, it will need to keep its energy consumption growth up. Doing this will require an increasing share of world exports of fossil fuels of all kinds. It is not clear that this is even possible unless other areas can ramp up their production and also add necessary transportation infrastructure.
Oil consumption, in particular, is rising quickly, thanks to rising imports. (Compare Figure 6, below, with Figure 4.)
Figure 6. China’s energy consumption by fuel, based on BP Statistical Review of World Energy 2018.
[6] India, like China, seems to be a country whose energy production is falling far behind what is needed to support planned economic growth. In fact, as a percentage, its energy imports are greater than China’s, and the gap is widening each year.
The big gap between energy production and consumption would not be a problem if India could afford to buy these imported fuels, and if it could use these imported fuels to make exports that it could profitably sell to the export market. Unfortunately, this doesn’t seem to be the case.
Figure 7. India’s energy production by fuel, together with its total energy consumption, based upon BP Statistical Review of World Energy 2018 data.
India’s electricity sector seems to be having major problems recently. The Financial Times reports, “The power sector is at the heart of a wave of corporate defaults that threatens to cripple the financial sector.” While higher coal prices were good for coal producers and helped enable coal imports, the resulting electricity is more expensive than many customers can afford.
[7] It is becoming increasingly clear that proved reserves reported by BP and others provide little useful information.
BP provides reserve data for oil, natural gas, and coal. It also calculates R/P ratios (Reserves/Production ratios), using reported “proved reserves” and production in the latest year. The purpose of these ratios seems to be to assure readers that there are plenty of years of future production available. Current worldwide average R/P ratios are
- Oil: 50 years
- Natural Gas: 53 years
- Coal: 134 years
The reason for using the R/P ratios is the fact that geologists, including the famous M. King Hubbert, have looked at future energy production based on reserves in a particular area. Thus, geologists seem to depend upon reserve data for their calculations. Why shouldn’t a similar technique work in the aggregate?
For one thing, geologists are looking at particular fields where conditions seem to be right for extraction. They can safely assume that (a) the prices will be high enough, (b) there will be adequate investment capital available and (c) other conditions will be right, including political stability and pollution issues. If we are looking at the situation more generally, the reasons why fossil fuels are not extracted from the ground seem to revolve around (a), (b) and (c), rather than not having enough fossil fuels in the ground.
Let’s look at a couple of examples. China’s coal production dropped in Figure 4 because low prices made coal extraction unprofitable in some fields. There is no hint of that issue in China’s reported R/P ratio for coal of 39.
Although not as dramatic, Figure 4 also shows that China’s oil production has dropped in recent years, during a period when prices have been relatively low. China’s R/P ratio for oil is 18, so it theoretically should have plenty of oil available. China figured out that in some cases, it could import oil more cheaply than it could produce it themselves. As a result, its production has dropped.
In Figure 7, India’s coal production is not rising as rapidly as needed to keep production up. Its R/P ratio for coal is 137. Its oil production has been declining since 2012. Its R/P for oil is shown to be 14.4 years.
Another example is Venezuela. As many people are aware, Venezuela has been having severe economic problems recently. We can see this in its falling oil production and its related falling oil exports and consumption.
Figure 8. Venezuela’s oil production, consumption and exports, based on data of BP Statistical Review of World Energy 2018.
Yet Venezuela reports the highest “Proved oil reserves” in the world. Its reported R/P ratio is 394. In fact, its proved reserves increased during 2017, despite its very poor production results. Part of the problem is that proved oil reserves are often not audited amounts, so that proved reserves can be as high as an exporting country wants to make them. Another part of the problem is that price is extremely important in determining which reserves can be extracted and which cannot. Clearly, Venezuela needs much higher prices than have been available recently to make it possible to extract its reserves. Venezuela also seems to have had low production in the 1980s when oil prices were low.
I was one of the co-authors of an academic paper pointing out that oil prices may not rise high enough to extract the resources that seem to be available. It can be found at this link: An Oil Production Forecast for China Considering Economic Limits. The problem is an affordability problem. The wages of manual laborers and other non-elite workers need to be high enough that they can afford to buy the goods and services made by the economy. If there is too much wage disparity, demand tends to fall too low. As a result, prices do not rise to the level that fossil fuel producers need. The limit on fossil fuel extraction may very well be how high prices can rise, rather than the amount of fossil fuels in the ground.
[8] Nuclear power seems to be gradually headed for closure without replacement in many parts of the world. This makes it more difficult to create a low carbon electricity supply.
A chart of nuclear electricity production by part of the world shows the following information:
Figure 9. Nuclear electric power production by part of the world, based on BP Statistical Review of World Energy 2018. FSU is “Former Soviet Union” countries.
The peak in nuclear power production took place in 2006. A big step-down in nuclear power generation took place after the Fukushima nuclear power accident in Japan in 2011. Europe now seems to be taking steps toward phasing out its nuclear power plants. If nothing else, new safety standards tend to make nuclear power plants very expensive. The high price makes it too expensive to replace aging nuclear power plants with new plants, at least in the parts of the world where safety standards are considered very important.
In 2017, wind and solar together produced about 59% as much electricity as nuclear power, on a worldwide basis. It would take a major effort simply to replace nuclear with wind and solar. The results would not provide as stable an output level as is currently available, either.
Of course, some countries will go forward with nuclear, in spite of safety concerns. Much of the recent growth in nuclear power has been in China. Countries belonging to the former Soviet Union (FSU) have been adding new nuclear production. Also, Iran is known for its nuclear power program.
Conclusion
We live in challenging times!
Notes:
(1) There is more than one way of seeing see that energy consumption per capita needs to rise, despite rising efficiency.
One basic issue is that enough energy consumption needs to get back to individual citizens, particularly citizens with few skills, so that they can continue to have the basic level of goods and services that they need. This includes food, clothing, housing, transportation, education and other services, such as medical services. Unfortunately, history shows that efficiency gains don’t do enough to offset several other countervailing forces that tend to offset the benefits of efficiency gains. The forces working against unskilled workers getting enough goods and services include the following:
(a) Diminishing returns ensures that an increasing share of energy supplies must be used to dig deeper wells or provide water desalination, to operate mines for all kinds of minerals, and to extract fossil fuels. This means that less of what energy that is available that can get back to workers.
(b) Governments need to grow because of promises that they have made to citizens. Retirement benefits are particularly an issue, as populations age. This takes another “cut” out of what is available.
(c) Increased use of technology tends to produce a much more hierarchical structure of the workforce. People at the top of the organization are paid significantly more than those near the bottom. Globalization tends to add to this effect. It is the low wages of those at the bottom of the hierarchy that becomes a problem because those workers cannot afford to buy the goods and services that they need to provide for themselves and their family.
(d) Increasing use of technology can often produce replacements for manual labor. For example, robots and computers can replace some jobs, leaving many would-be workers unemployed. The companies that produce the replacements for manual labor are often international companies that are difficult to tax. Governments can try to raise taxes to provide benefits to those left out by the economy because of the growing use of technology, but this simply exacerbates the problem described as (b) above.
(e) The world economy always has some countries that are doing better in terms of GDP growth than other countries. These countries are nearly always countries whose energy use per capita is growing. Current examples include China and India. If world resources per capita are flat, there must be other countries whose energy consumption per capita is falling. Examples today would include Venezuela, Greece and the UK. It is the countries with falling energy consumption per capita that have the more severe difficulties. Our networked world economy cannot get along without these failing economies.
Besides the issue of enough goods and services getting back to those with limited skills, a second basic issue is having enough energy-based goods and services to actually fulfill promises that have been made. One type of promise is debt and related interest payments. Another type of promise is that made by pension plans, whether government sponsored or available from private industry. A third type of promise is represented by asset prices available in the market place, such as prices of shares of stock and real estate prices.
The problem is that promises of all types can, in theory, be exchanged for goods and services. The stock of goods and services cannot rise very quickly, if energy consumption is only rising at the per-capita rate. Even if more money is issued, the problem becomes dividing up a not-very-rapidly growing pie into ever-smaller pieces, to try to fulfill all of the promises.
(2) With respect to oil, the one major deviation from its flat pattern occurred in the early 1980s, when world oil consumption fell by 11% between 1979 and 1983. This happened as the result of a concerted effort to change home heating and electricity production to other fuels. It also involved a change from large inefficient cars to smaller, more fuel efficient cars. After the 2007-2009 recession, there was another small step downward. This downward step may reflect less building of new homes and commercial spaces in some parts of the world, including the US.
Our Finite World by Gail Tverberg
70 Comments on "Eight insights based on December 2017 energy data"
MASTERMIND on Fri, 22nd Jun 2018 9:08 pm
Nobody on this garbage site will ever come around Gails brilliant blog..Esp the dumb fuck preppers on here..they would get their shit tossed so fast by me and Fast Eddy..Gails blog knows what the fuck is up..Rough, Rugid and Raw..
Cloggie on Fri, 22nd Jun 2018 11:47 pm
“The world is making limited progress toward moving away from fossil fuels.”
A few European countries, like Scotland, Denmark, Germany and Italy are showing that it is possible for an advanced industrial nation to make substantial inroads with “not very dense energy sources” like wind and solar, if you really put yourself to it and have an explicit national/European energy policy to back it up.
The importance of having a few functioning examples couldn’t be stressed enough, to stiffle those who keep insisting it can’t be done.
However, I have to admit that with both the US and China temporarily (?) backing away and slowing the transition speed, the general picture has not improved. The fact that European parliament has recently decided to increase the transition speed from 27 to 32% primary energy in 2030 is not enough to compensate it.
On top of that, the rising influence of populism in Europe has the inherent risk that the transition could stall here as well. Typical image from a populist protest site in Germany:
http://www.pi-news.net/2018/06/der-deutsche-aufloesungsprozess-unter-gruen-linker-aegide/
(The Germans for 92% support the transition)
The waiting is for a substantial increase in fossil fuel prices to give new impulses to the transition process.
Boat on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 12:03 am
Clog
Can you show me where US renewables have slowed. Data please.
Makati1 on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 12:23 am
Gail now writes for a paycheck and is just like all the rest. Boring. Just part of the living zombies in the West.
“Slow Suicide and the Abandonment of the World”
““The artist is the man who refuses initiation through education into the existing order, remains faithful to his own childhood being, and thus becomes ‘a human being in the spirit of all times, an artist.’” – Norman O. Brown, Life Against Death ”
“… I wish, rather, to explore the reasons why so many people choose to commit slow suicide by immersing themselves in the herd mentality and following a way of life that leads to inauthenticity and despair; why so many people so easily and early give up their dreams of a life of freedom for a proverbial mess of pottage, which these days can be translated to mean a consumer’s life, one focused on staying safe by embracing conventional bromides and making sure to never openly question a system based on systemic violence in all its forms; why, despite all evidence to the contrary, so many people embrace getting and spending and the accumulation of wealth in the pursuit of a chimerical “happiness” that leaves them depressed and conscience dead. Why so many people do not rebel but wish to take their places on this ship of fools….
Why do so many people kill their authentic selves and their consciences that could awaken them to break through the social habits of thought, speech, and action that lead them to live “jiffy lube” lives, periodically oiled and greased to smoothly roll down the conventional highway of getting and spending and refusing to resist the murderous actions of their government?…
It’s as though we are floating on nothing, sustained by nothing, in love with nothing – all the while embracing any thing that a materialistic, capitalist consumer culture can throw at us. We are living in an empire of illusions, propagandized and self-deluded. …
Part One
Makati1 on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 12:26 am
Part Two:
We’ve had more than a century of pseudo-scientific studies of suicide and the world has gotten much worse. More than a century of psychotherapy and people have grown progressively more depressed. Large and increasing numbers are drugged to the teeth with pharmaceutical drugs and television and the internet and cell phones and shopping and endless talk about food and diets and sports and nothing. Talk to talk, surface to surface. Pundits pontificate daily in streams of endless bullshit for which they are paid enormous sums as they smile with their fake whiter-than-white teeth flashing from their makeup masks. People actually listen to these fools to “inform” themselves. They even watch television news and think they know what is happening in the world….
Not stark raving screaming madness, just a slow, whimpering acceptance of an insane society whose very fabric is toxic and which continues its God-ordained mission of spreading death and destruction around the world in the name of freedom and democracy, while so many of its walking dead citizens measure out their lives with coffee spoons….
But why are so many so afraid? Everyone has fears, but so many normal people seem extremely fearful, so fearful they choose to blend into the social woodwork so they don’t stand out as dissenters or oddballs. They kill their authentic selves; become conscience-less. And they do this in a society where their leaders are hell-bent on destroying the world and who justify their nuclear madness at every turn. …
For those who commit to lives of slow suicide, to the squelching of their true selves and their consciences in the face of a rapacious and murderous society, there is always the chance they can break with the norm and go sane. Redemption is always possible. But it primarily involves overcoming the fear of death, a fear that manifests itself in the extreme need to preserve one’s life, so-called social identity, and sense of self by embracing social conventions, no matter how insane they may be or whether or not they bring satisfaction or fulfillment. …
https://www.globalresearch.ca/slow-suicide-and-the-abandonment-of-the-world/5644900
I got out of the suicidal country called America. Thousands regain their sanity every year and migrate. So can you. IF you really want to.
marmico on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 3:14 am
The TURDBURGER is a retard. US energy consumption per capita is the same as it was 50 years ago.
Cloggie on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 3:49 am
Clog
Can you show me where US renewables have slowed. Data please.
https://www.upi.com/US-solar-power-sector-slows-down-after-banner-year/8481521107283/
Davy on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 4:21 am
“However, I have to admit that with both the US and China temporarily (?) backing away and slowing the transition speed, the general picture has not improved.”
Normal neder distortions of the truth. He chooses words to enhance his team. What is “backing away”? One year of decline is not significant. Here are your numbers that you don’t post because they are not profound enough.
“An annual review of 2017 solar market activity from the Solar Energy Industries Association, a trade group supporting the industry, and GTM Research found total installed capacity was 10.6 gigawatts, down from the 15 GW installed in 2016.”
This is the reason the neder didn’t put the European numbers:
“Europe added 8.61 GW of solar in 2017 with Turkey taking top spot”
https://tinyurl.com/y8sq3q7h
print baby print on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 5:01 am
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/m/0e2a6da6-1124-354f-b9b2-009e9e87b1f9/ss_opec-agrees-to-pump-more-oil.html
Fascinating I have never seen something like this
print baby print on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 5:57 am
They rise an output ( even modestly)always the prices immediately went down this time nop what is going on?
Cloggie on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 6:25 am
“Normal neder distortions of the truth. He chooses words to enhance his team. What is “backing away”? One year of decline is not significant.”
Tell me meathead, what part of “temporary” do you not understand?
I must remind you that Madrid is at the latirude of NYC. Europe that is primarily wind energy
https://windeurope.org/about-wind/statistics/european/wind-in-power-2017/
17GW EU vs 7GW US, where both blocks have about the same economic size and the US uses far more energy.
Note that the big rollout of huge offshore windparks is about to begin in Europe, where Trump bets on coal, to satisfy his voterbase.
Yorchichan on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 6:42 am
Mak
Gail now writes for a paycheck…
Are you sure about this? Who pays her? She might get paid for talks she delivers at conferences, but I’m not sure. As a retired actuary who is married to a professor, I doubt she is short of money.
I could be wrong, but I think Gail writes because she is interested in the truth about energy and the economy and not for financial gain.
MASTERMIND on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 7:26 am
The world has spent around 2.4 Trillion on renewables since 2000 and its currently producing less than 3 percent of total world energy..By far the worst investment in the history of mankind..I am sure the big tech industry and the Chinese don’t mind though..
Renewable energy ‘simply won’t work’: Top Google engineers
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/11/21/renewable_energy_simply_wont_work_google_renewables_engineers/
Bill Gates: We need global ‘energy miracles’
http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/02/12/bill.gates.clean.energy/index.html
Solar and Wind produced less than one percent of total world energy in 2016 – IEA WEO 2017
https://www.iea.org/publications/freepublications/publication/KeyWorld2017.pdf
UC Davis Peer Reviewed Study: It Will Take 131 Years to Replace Oil with Alternatives
(Malyshkina, 2010)
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/es100730q
University of Chicago Peer Reviewed Study: predicts world economy unlikely to stop relying on fossil fuels (Covert, 2016)
https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/jep.30.1.117
Shortage of resources for renewable energy and food production (Rhodes 2011)
https://www.scribd.com/document/375501088/Shortage-of-resources-for-renewable-energy-and-food-production-Rhodes-2011
Top scientists show why powering US using 100 percent renewable energy is a delusional fantasy
http://energyskeptic.com/2017/big-fight-21-top-scientists-show-why-jacobson-and-delucchis-renewable-scheme-is-a-delusional-fantasy/
Germany Runs Up Against the Limits of Renewables
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/601514/germany-runs-up-against-the-limits-of-renewables/
At this rate, it’s going to take nearly 400 years to transform the energy system
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/610457/at-this-rate-its-going-to-take-nearly-400-years-to-transform-the-energy-system/
MASTERMIND on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 7:27 am
Marico
Triggered are we?
Lol
MASTERMIND on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 7:30 am
Tesla’s Constant Turmoil Can’t Hide The Fact That SolarCity Is Dying
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimcollins/2018/06/22/teslas-constant-turmoil-cant-hide-the-fact-that-solarcity-is-dying/#79eef78648ec
Solar can’t even stay in business..Total scam for dumb people who don’t question anything..Solar and Wind are a mass delusion to convince the sheep that “they’re working on it” and “Everything will be okay”..
Davy on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 7:43 am
“Tell me meathead, what part of “temporary” do you not understand?”
You forgot the (?)
“I must remind you that Madrid is at the latirude of NYC. Europe that is primarily wind energy”
I lived in Madrid, neder, I think I know Madrid better than you do. Besides the Sun in Madrid is far superior to many places in the US.
Neder, this is just part of your petty agenda of promoting your team. It demonstrates you have self-emotional confidence issues. Much of your message is focused on one thing and that is the promotion of Europe and your extremist version of it.
Davy on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 7:46 am
“MASTERMIND on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 7:26 am”
Empty Comment. Where are your titles and content from links that supports your assertions, kid? Quit spamming the board with your intellectually sloppy homework.
MASTERMIND on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 8:03 am
Davy
Your brain is empty..total denial..read the fucking links yourself you big fat pussy..and the titles are listed you dumb fucking retard..You becoming dumber than clogg
Cloggie on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 8:03 am
I lived in Madrid, neder, I think I know Madrid better than you do. Besides the Sun in Madrid is far superior to many places in the US.
Sigh. This is not Lonely Planet, nor does anybody care about your touristic adventures, this is peak oil, we are discussing energy here.
The US has far better solar resources than Europe:
https://i2.wp.com/www.solafuture.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/world_insolation_map.gif?resize=1250%2C691
Percentage-wise Europe is nibbling away at its fossil-energy base at a speed 3-4 times that of the US. And expect this gap only to increase as the US is mindlessly falling back onto its SUV insanity, where all European car manufacturers are working on e-vehicles (backed by Paris accords and EU energy strategy).
MASTERMIND on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 8:08 am
Davy
You even said yesterday you don’t read my post..I have scared the living shit out of you with “Knowledge”..I understand though, ignorance is bliss..You you are one blissful man!
MM is hiding under your bed!
LMFAO!
MASTERMIND on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 8:10 am
Clogg
Europe aint nibbling shit..You are a dumb fucking moron..You are seeing the fall of Europe in real time!
George Soros warns the European Union is on the brink of collapse — and Trump is partly to blame
http://www.businessinsider.com/george-soros-president-trump-eu-collapse-2018-5
MASTERMIND on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 8:23 am
Anti-Brexit protest: thousands march two years after referendum
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jun/23/brexit-protest-two-years-after-referendum?CMP=twt_gu&__twitter_impression=true
Stop brexit or the UK will have an economic collapse..That is why the stock market had one of biggest crashes ever when that election happened..It crashed by over 1000 points..Showing that investors have no confidence in the far right lunatics..
MASTERMIND on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 8:54 am
Clog
US white population declines and Generation “Z-Plus” is minority white, census shows
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2018/06/21/us-white-population-declines-and-generation-z-plus-is-minority-white-census-shows/
So much for ‘we will not be replaced’
Muh mustard race!
lmfao1
JuanP on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 9:05 am
MM “Davy
You even said yesterday you don’t read my post”
Davy wishes he didn’t read our posts, but the sad truth is he is so sick he can’t stop himself from doing it even if he wishes he could. He has claimed the same about my comments, too. You should know bette than believe anything the exceptionalist says, MM.
Davy on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 9:09 am
“You even said yesterday you don’t read my post.”
No but I see junk from the feed. It looks like shit and it reflects a dumb kid’s contribution. Not to mention all those links have multiple redundant comment postings IOW spamming. I don’t read the content of your posts much because there is little enlightenment to them. They are either a redundant rehash or a redundant attack.
Davy on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 9:14 am
“Davy wishes he didn’t read our posts, but the sad truth is he is so sick he can’t stop himself from doing it even if he wishes he could.”
See above explanation on MM. Bony Juan, some of your post are very informative many are just stupid attacks or emotional agenda. You root Russia on like a soccer team and boo the US the same. Come on how mature is that? Many of your attacks don’t even have a reason other than you don’t like me. I try to ignore you if possible. I mean I could give a shit about many things about you. I like many of the permaculture things you do but you don’t even talk about them anymore. When do you talk prep anymore?
“He has claimed the same about my comments, too.”
See above
“You should know bette than believe anything the exceptionalist says, MM.”
Spelling Nazi, please spell better right.
Davy on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 9:16 am
“US is mindlessly falling back onto its SUV insanity”
Nonsense, show some numbers for a wild swing in SUV numbers
Cloggie on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 9:17 am
“So much for ‘we will not be replaced’
Muh mustard race!”
Excellent! White despair is precisely the prerequisite we need to blow the joint up. America was a mistake, as its population could not hold on to their new countey and in a century pissed it away to the Talmudturks.
JuanP on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 9:17 am
Davy, Do you do anything at all besides wasting your time on this forum?
MASTERMIND on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 9:26 am
Davy
You call scientific papers “junk”..You are starting to go full blown paranoid schizo..
I cite scholarly sources from the top university in America..You post links from zeroheadge..
I rest my case..
MASTERMIND on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 9:28 am
Davy
Why do you always bark out orders to other people on this board..Nonsense you said ‘Show me some numbers”..Who the fuck do you think you are? You are a crabby old ignorant man..Yelling ‘get off my lawn”..You are turning into Greg in real time..A hostile bigot, and proud..
MASTERMIND on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 9:30 am
Researchers Find a Link Between Trump Voters and Opioid Use
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/06/trump-voters-opioid-crisis/
Well, there is definitely something wrong with their brains..
Davy on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 9:35 am
I just got done splitting a rank of wood this morning after I did farm and personal paperwork. I was up at 3:45. I had my coffee and afterwards lifted weights. I will explain my PO dot com routine again for you since I am so important to you. In the morning I get up early have my coffee and raise hell here. I enjoy this. It is an intellectual workout. It is a character workout too because so many extremist here hate me and seek to destroy my character. Mission accomplished. I usually get out on the farm around 7-8am. I am then commenting with cell phone which sucks but it works. I come in and eat lunch and I am back on my laptop raising hell here for 45 min or so. Then I am back on my cell for the rest of the day. Usually I will work for an hour take my break and check news. If some assholes are attacking me well then I have to be here more during the day. Farm work has to be done so if I screw around here more than normal then the day is naturally longer. A lot of the work I do is tedious and having these breaks helps me stay motivated. When I get in at night right before dinner I spend some time here on my laptop. Lately I have been avoiding PO dot com at night. I am letting the night crew have their space. We have too much conflicts going on so I am trying to do my part in reducing them. Sometimes I can’t sleep and I will be up at 1 or 2 am. In that case I may catch the night crew in action and stir some shit up. I hardly watch TV. I don’t listen to the radio. I don’t do social media. Does that help you bony juan? I would say it is more than you do. I mean how much beach time can one stand?
Davy on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 9:36 am
“Why do you always bark out orders to other people on this board”
They are only orders if you interpret them as orders.
Cloggie on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 9:38 am
“Well, there is definitely something wrong with their brains..”
No, they are losing their country… until they hit back, backed by the 700 million of Eurasia.
MASTERMIND on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 9:41 am
Davy
Do you Ancestry.com as a dating site? I know how you farmers love your families! It’s a country boy thang!
LMFAO!
MASTERMIND on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 9:44 am
Clogg
They lost their country..Its over..woman don’t want to breed with fat and ugly slobs who can’t dance, or sing, or play sports..sorry your great mustard race is being naturally selected away..
JuanP on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 9:47 am
Delusional Davy “In the morning I get up early have my coffee and raise hell here. I enjoy this. It is an intellectual workout”
So, raising hell here is your intellectual workout? That explains a few things! The time I spend here is my intellectual downtime. LOL!
Davy on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 9:51 am
It would be my intellectual down time if it were not for extremist here like you who start the hell raising. And sometimes it is a relaxing time when good comments are made and the confliects are at a minimum.
Cloggie on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 9:54 am
“They lost their country..Its over..woman don’t want to breed with fat and ugly slobs who can’t dance, or sing, or play sports..sorry your great mustard race is being naturally selected away..”
It’s true, America will have to step down from hegemony. Poor TalmudTurks, wanted global Zion but all they got is Americans who can’t dance. Now all that remains is the question: “who gets what from the empire?”
MASTERMIND on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 9:56 am
Davy
You don’t have to lie to kick it on peakoildotcom..we know you blast country music on the farm and AM talk radio.. I bet you have a big ole confederate flag right next to the ole stars and bars…
LMFAO!
MASTERMIND on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 10:14 am
France’s Macron backs financial sanctions on EU states that refuse migrants
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1010528042287091712
HAhA! Either open up those borders or economic collapse…you choose…and choose wisely..
LMFAO1
joe on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 10:14 am
It’s great that finally economics is doing to nuclear what we should have done ourselves long ago. Sadly nuclear will always have a role in weapons, so don’t expect it to die out fully. Imho Saudi Arabia wants a nuke and will pretend to be a liberals paradise until they do, then they will point them right at Israel while claiming they are pointed at Iran.
joe on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 10:16 am
I hope Macron really easy this. It’s proof that the EU and integration has no future except by force. Victor Orban and the Liga in Italy will be happy to see headlines like this. Coming to a mosque near you…..
joe on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 10:19 am
Die EUSSR Die. Die in the memory of Theo Van Gogh.
Cloggie on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 10:44 am
low-caps joe: “Die EUSSR Die. Die in the memory of Theo Van Gogh.”
F* you, anti-white Anglo-Zionist. Without your kind, Theo van Gogh didn’t have to die in the first place. YOU are the problem. Your deep state brought these muslims in our lands in the first place. Thank God you already lost your capital, mhoahahaha:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJheODYpuEI
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uTiANSbg8ss/maxresdefault.jpg
Soon you will lose Scotland as well. And Gibraltar. And Northern-Ireland.
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/fluechtlingspolitik-oesterreich-will-soldaten-an-eu-grenzen-einsetzen-a-1214598.html
Austria wants EU soldiers on EU outside frontiers and in Africa.
First we are going to politically assassinate Merkel, after that Macron is next.
Marion Marechal for French president in 2022, even Attali-kike fears it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgXGZhgje8w
Finally victory celebration in Moscow. Placard approved by Putin:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cwxtjo5WgAAoxlE.jpg
Come on China, time to shoot the proper carriers to the bottom of the ocean, directly after Trump. Come on Iran and Turkey, recapture Palestine. You can do it!
Come on Heartland USA, prepare for the time after Trump, wink, wink.
MASTERMIND on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 10:45 am
NASA Peer Reviewed Study: Industrial Civilization is Headed for Irreversible Collapse
The scenarios most closely reflecting the reality of our world today are found in the third group of experiments (see section 5.3), where we introduced economic stratification. Under such conditions, we find that collapse is difficult to avoid.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921800914000615
Davy on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 10:49 am
Calm down neder. We are in the boring real world.
GregT on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 11:26 am
NASA Peer Reviewed Study: Industrial Civilization is Headed for Irreversible Collapse
Right MM. Again, completely full of shit
“”A soon-to-be published research paper ‘Human and Nature Dynamics (HANDY): Modeling Inequality and Use of Resources in the Collapse or Sustainability of Societies’ by University of Maryland researchers Safa Motesharrei and Eugenia Kalnay, and University of Minnesota’s Jorge Rivas was not solicited, directed or reviewed by NASA. It is an independent study by the university researchers utilizing research tools developed for a separate NASA activity.”
“As is the case with all independent research, the views and conclusions in the paper are those of the authors alone. NASA does not endorse the paper or its conclusions.”
MASTERMIND on Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 11:50 am
Greg
Why would NASA endorse a study they didn’t author? NASA came up with the idea and sponsored most of it..And the author is one of America’stop applied mathematicians..And its a good thing that it was an independent study..
You are a frightened old and grasping at straws..