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Does The US Really Need Saudi Oil?
“Saudi Arabia — if we broke with them, I think your oil prices would go through the roof. I’ve kept them down,” President Trump told reporters on Tuesday. “They’ve helped me keep them down. Right now we have low oil prices, or relatively. I’d like to see it go down even lower — lower.”
Oil prices have indeed fallen significantly in recent weeks, and to be sure, Saudi Arabia has played a large role in that. Saudi production reportedly hit a record high 11 million barrels per day (mb/d) at times this month, and global inventories are rising once again.
But Riyadh is also clearly upset at being “duped” by Trump. Having been convinced by the Trump administration that Iran’s oil exports were heading to zero, or at least close to zero, Saudi Arabia ramped up supply to offset the losses.
The U.S. then surprised the market by issuing a bunch of waivers, allowing Iran to continue to export oil. Japan and South Korea may even resume buying oil from Iran in January, after cutting imports to zero in anticipation of sanctions.
Almost immediately after the waivers were issued, oil prices crashed. Saudi Arabia then promptly announced that it would cut production by 500,000 bpd in December, and the rumors of an OPEC+ cut really began to pick up.
Trump is happy about the slide in oil prices, but Saudi Arabia clearly isn’t. Saudi Arabia and its OPEC+ partners could soon take action to push prices back up. So, it isn’t clear that Washington and Riyadh have the same objectives, or that their tight relationship is resulting in lower oil prices.
More to the point, however, is the odd belief in Washington that the U.S. needs to keep Saudi Arabia close in order to keep the oil flowing. Trump said that oil prices “would go through the roof” if he broke with them. The U.S. has coddled the Saudi monarchy for decades, and only very recently, with the murder of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi – likely at the order of crown prince Mohammed bin Salman – has the American foreign policy establishment finally begun to reevaluate the wisdom of the relationship.
The murder has put the focus on Saudi atrocities. Earlier this week, the Wall Street Journal reported that Saudi security forces jailed and tortured women’s-rights activists, even as the world gushed over the decision from crown prince Mohammed bin Salman to allow women to drive.
Whereas past U.S. presidents, from both parties, maintained a close alliance with Riyadh in the face of horrific human rights abuses, using varying explanations of security and cooperation, the Trump administration is more brutally honest in its transactional approach. Trump talks about how the U.S. makes billions off of weapons sales, while also enjoying lower oil prices. Related: The Oil Industry Is Facing A “Capex Conundrum”
But that last point, which is arguably considered conventional wisdom in Washington, doesn’t really add up. While the U.S. imported 1 mb/d from Saudi Arabia in August (a figure that has fluctuated over time but is down from between 1.5 and 2 mb/d in the mid-2000s), it doesn’t really matter. The precise volumes of oil the U.S. imports from Saudi Arabia isn’t relevant.
What if the U.S. did break with Saudi Arabia? What if the U.S. condemned MbS, and took more punitive action towards Riyadh? Or, more significantly, downgraded the alliance with Saudi Araba?
The fear implied in Trump’s comments is that Saudi Arabia would somehow restrict exports to the U.S., a nonsensical scenario. Even if Saudi Arabia restricted shipments to the U.S., the oil would still flow elsewhere. Crude oil is a “fungible” commodity, in the jargon, which is to say that oil would still find its way to the U.S. If Saudi Arabia sent all of its oil to China instead of the U.S., that would simply displace oil heading from, say, Iraq to China. That Iraqi oil would then shift back to the U.S. and the end result would be minimal.
What if Saudi Arabia decided to significantly cut production in order to jack up prices in retaliation for punishment from Washington? That’s possible, in theory, but it would also be hugely painful to Saudi Arabia. Cutting production and exports would reduce sales for Saudi Arabia; higher prices would ignite an even stronger response from U.S. shale; higher prices would aid Iran (Saudi Arabia’s enemy); and higher prices would also put pressure on the U.S. to issue more waivers on importing oil from Iran in order to relieve market pressure. All of this would be hugely negative for Saudi Arabia, and that is even before we consider the fact that an oil price spike would accelerate the long-term switch off of oil and bring on peak oil demand faster. As Liam Denning put it for Bloomberg Opinion, using “the oil weapon would be a self-own of colossal proportions.” Thus, it simply wouldn’t happen.
Yet, U.S. politicians are dominated by this line of thinking. “I’m not going to tell a country that is spending hundreds of billions of dollars and has helped me do one thing very importantly — keep oil prices down so that they’re not going to $100 and $150 dollars a barrel,” Trump told reporters. “Right now we have oil prices in great shape. I’m not going to destroy the world economy, and I’m not going to destroy the economy for our country by being foolish with Saudi Arabia.”
He went on to add: “If you want to see oil prices go to $150 a barrel — like, by the way, Russia would love to see that — all you have to do is break up our relationship with Saudi Arabia.” Bloomberg Opinion called it “Trump’s Stage-Five MBS Clinging.”
For emphasis, Trump reiterated this position early Thursday morning on twitter.
“It’s a mean & nasty world out there, the Middle East in particular. This is a long and historic commitment, & one that is absolutely vital to America’s national security.” @SecPompeo I agree 100%. In addition, many Billions of Dollars of purchases made in U.S., big Jobs & Oil!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 22, 2018
Saudi Arabia desperately needs the U.S. for security, weapons and as a massive consumer of crude oil (Saudi Aramco also owns the largest oil refinery in the U.S., the Motiva facility in Port Arthur, Texas). For some reason, American officials have long thought that it is Saudi Arabia that holds all the cards.
By Nick Cunningham of Oilprice.com
87 Comments on "Does The US Really Need Saudi Oil?"
joe on Sun, 25th Nov 2018 10:29 am
The US would have dispensed with SA long ago if oil was the only thing to keep an allience. The elephant in the room is not oil, but Palestine. Israel has persued MBS more than any other arab leader. MBS needs to make Iran the bad guy to prop up his own murderous regime and has attacked Yemen and backed islamist groups especially ISIS to keep the Sunni people from realising the truth that they don’t need a monarchy and that true democracy (of the type espoused by the muslim Brotherhood) is indeed a viable alternative. Israels greatest enemy is Iran (not because Iran is strong but because their will is unbreakable as proven when they saw off Saddam Hussains US backed Iraq). Iran will never tolerate the apartheid Zionist system, nor should anyone who believes all men are created equal, even kings. The US is now in the position that the British Empire faced circa 1912-20, that they may be the world’s strongest country but the secret of their power is known. Throwing away MBS will cause Israel to act erratically and force the US into wars it does not want/need or could possibly win (since the definition of winning an imperialist war is impossible). The British could beat India a hundred times over but each time there would still be India. Beating Nazi Germany was easy compared to that because victory brought about a revolution of morality and thought (think about it clogger). A victory over Iran will result in victory over a population that hates you and is not your religion. Which is where Israel hopes to use Saudi Arabia who have no issue using starvation and genocide because it’s their own brand of religion, they believe in the right of Wahabbis to wipe non Wahabbis from the face of the earth (that includes you clogger). So while oil may be an economic reason to keep MBS as an ally in power, the alternative is to abandon him and Saudi Arabia will collapse in weeks, the factional fighting alone would secure Iran against SaudI, the Emirates and Kuwait would get involved and soon all the tribes of Arabia would be at war, this would ensure that Israel would attack Irans nuclear sites, which then would have a disastrous impact on oil prices, because the waivers prove WE NEED IRANIAN OIL.
rockman on Sun, 25th Nov 2018 3:01 pm
The world needs Saudi oil…the US is part of the world. The important question is what would Saudi do to global oil exports if the US (or other countries)impose a sever penalty. Which brings up an equally important question IMO: what will other countries do to punish the Saudis? Why is it up to only the US: the EU is also a major trading partner with the KSA. I don’t hear the EU condemning the Saudis…with actions and not just words. And same for England, Australia, all the south American countries, et al? Last I heard even Turkey hasn’t forced the KSA to close its embassy there…the scene of the crime.
joe on Sun, 25th Nov 2018 3:28 pm
That’s exactly the point Rockman. Trump is putting America first by not cutting ties with Saudi, sadly it’s only a short term boost. When MBS feels like he’s off the hook and the heat has cooled, who knows what they will do next.
Cloggie on Sun, 25th Nov 2018 4:30 pm
“ I don’t hear the EU condemning the Saudis…with actions and not just words.”
Perhaps because you don’t listen?
https://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/2018-11/jamal-khashoggi-deutschland-verhaengt-einreisesperren
Germans halted all arms deliveries and expelled 17 Saudi’s.
Cloggie on Sun, 25th Nov 2018 4:42 pm
Resolution underway in EU parliament:
https://marietjeschaake.eu/en/european-parliament-resolution-on-the-killing-of-journalist-jamal-khashoggi-in-the-saudi-consulate-in-istanbul
EU dependency
KSA: 8%
Norway: 31%
Russia: 39%
https://ec.europa.eu/energy/en/topics/imports-and-secure-supplies/supplier-countries
I AM THE MOB on Sun, 25th Nov 2018 5:09 pm
Ukraine President proposes martial law in country after Russia attacks, seizes three ships
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-russia-blocks-three-ukrainian-navy-ships-from-entering-sea-of-azov/?intcmp=notifications
Russia has fallen for the trap..Just like Saddam did when Kuwait starting stealing his oil and then he attacked and the US used it as a reason to invade them..Putin is so stupid..
makati1 on Sun, 25th Nov 2018 5:37 pm
Petrodollar. Does ANYONE here know what that one word means? Reading the above article and the comments, it appears that it is a foreign word in some unknown language. It is the primary reason the US kisses Saudi ass.
“After the collapse of the Bretton Woods gold standard in the early 1970s, the United States struck a deal with Saudi Arabia to standardize oil prices in dollar terms. Through this deal, the petrodollar system was born, along with a paradigm shift away from pegged exchanged rates and gold-backed currencies to non-backed, floating rate regimes.
The petrodollar system elevated the U.S. dollar to the world’s reserve currency and, through this status, the United States enjoys persistent trade deficits and is a global economic hegemony. The petrodollar system also provides the United States’ financial markets with a source of liquidity and foreign capital inflows through petrodollar “recycling.” However, an explanation of the effects of petrodollars on the U.S. dollar requires a brief synopsis of the history of the petrodollar.”
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/forex/072915/how-petrodollars-affect-us-dollar.asp
Get educated people. If the Petrodollar is replaced with the petroyuan or the petroeuro, etc, it is game over for the US. And the Saudis could, and are, buying weapons from Russia and China. They do not need the US.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/11/trump-getting-closer-khashoggi-893494
More bullshit from the oily industry. The US is losing the ME to Eurasia.
makati1 on Sun, 25th Nov 2018 5:38 pm
MOB “is so stupid..” Suck up that government Koolaid! LMAO!
I AM THE MOB on Sun, 25th Nov 2018 5:50 pm
Mak
Your sources are all propaganda owned by the deep state lizard people..
See I can play willfully ignorant like you as well..
Why dont you go somewhere and die you tin foil hat lunatic..Nobody loves you including your family..That is why your wife left you and your family wants nothing to do with you..Nobody loves you..Like Clogg
I AM THE MOB on Sun, 25th Nov 2018 5:54 pm
Russian WARSHIPS attack 3 Ukraine TUGBOATS.
Russian warship ramming tugboat.
https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/news/article13644547.ece/ALTERNATES/s1168v/0_MIRROR-VIDEO-THUMBNAIL-TEMPLATE.jpg
Hit em HARD TRUMP! And even the left will love him if he nukes Russia! All of America could unite and break the divide!
I AM THE MOB on Sun, 25th Nov 2018 6:07 pm
BREAKING – Poroshenko Supports Declaration of War against Russia!
Secretary of the #NSDC of #Ukraine, Oleksandr Turchynov, said: “We are convening the Ukrainian NSDC to declare a state of #war” between Ukraine and #Russia. At the meeting the introduction of a state of #MartialLaw was proposed and a final vote to be held in parliament tomorrow.
Ukraine is an ally to the US so that means mother Russia is going down hard soon..Just like Saddam did..
HIT EM HARD!
Эй, братья, пожалуйста, ударьте антиамериканскую собаку, которую я сделал из гранитного форума on Sun, 25th Nov 2018 8:20 pm
good news ^mm^, war at putin’s doorsteps.
Эй, братья, пожалуйста, ударьте антиамериканскую собаку, которую я сделал из гранитного форума on Sun, 25th Nov 2018 8:20 pm
just like the czar, putin will turn up in the morgue
Эй, братья, пожалуйста, ударьте антиамериканскую собаку, которую я сделал из гранитного форума on Sun, 25th Nov 2018 8:32 pm
with war at putin’s doorsteps, PBBM will soon be only PBB
supertards will take care of it one by one
Cloggie on Sun, 25th Nov 2018 11:58 pm
BREAKING – Poroshenko Supports Declaration of War against Russia!
Chocolate oligarch Poroshenko is a jew operating for neocon interests. He would love to instigate WW3 and sick the West against Russia.
Pity though that Trump won’t bite, nor will the EU, just because two small boats bump into each other near Crimea. Ukraine and Russia are already fighting a low-grade war in Donbass and this is just another minor incident.
But it again demonstrates how neocon kikes like “I am the Mob” operate: inciting for war whereever they go and always being low-key on their identity, the lying slimeballs that they are.
Again watch this CNN hitpiece against Putin. Almost all agitators against Putin in the doc are jews:
https://youtu.be/ZZ-Kwr0VFUE
All they want to do is push us in a devastating war against Russia, just like they managed to sick everybody against Germany after 1939.
It’s time for 5000 Einsatzgruppen in North-America and clean the place up a little. Or to use mobsters phrase: “hit em hard!”
Cloggie on Mon, 26th Nov 2018 12:14 am
Mexico has enough of the gate-crashers from the South an plans to send them back, sorry George Soros:
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/tijuana-migranten-stuermen-grenze-zu-usa-mexiko-will-sie-sofort-abschieben-a-1240349.html
You immediately see that Trump’s policy works: send troops and barricade and send the message f* off.
Libya same story. These people are fed up with all these Africans invading their country, of whom they know that supply is endless. Libya is meanwhile on the side of Europe, not Africa. Just give them a few billion and they do the work.
Cloggie on Mon, 26th Nov 2018 12:29 am
just like the czar, putin will turn up in the morgue
You will die of an overdose long before that, you idiot.
I already have visions of this druggie-tard, landed somewhere in Siberia with a map, trying to find the road to Moscow, meanwhile yearning for a shot heroine.lol
First time a tragedy (WW2), second time a farce. Not even empire dave has any stomach to fight Russia, he prefers to rape the smaller ones instead, like Syria… until he is blocked… by Russia:
https://ci.memecdn.com/3187573.jpg
This Brexit drama couldn’t happen on a more opportune moment, for Russia and continental Europe that is. France is not exactly in the mood to be dragged by Britain in another Crimean War, not to mention Spain and certainly not Italy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_War
That’s the beauty of Britain leaving now. They have been able to block a European army so far, but they no longer can. We must ensure that Brexit isn’t stopped at the last moment by the like of US deep state stooges like the Blair. The actions of France and Spain over fishing and Gibraltar are coming at exactly the right moment, making it psychologically difficult to crawl back. Norway is good enough. Britain should be ignored, they are hopelessly anti-European. But Americans are different. There are a lot of people there of continental European descent in a state of despair about the way their country is developing. That’s the main prize for us continental Europeans.
Let’s liberate European America (and dismantle ZOG in the process).
makati1 on Mon, 26th Nov 2018 3:41 am
Cloggie, MOB doesn’t know history. He doesn’t realize that no invader of Russia has been successful since the Middle Ages. None.
http://www.geographia.com/russia/rushis05.htm
I AM THE MOB on Mon, 26th Nov 2018 4:29 am
Clogg
Russia is going down..Putin has been turned into the new Hitler..Sorry, your scum fuck movement of white trash can’t do shit to stop it..
LMFAO!
I AM THE MOB on Mon, 26th Nov 2018 4:35 am
Putin is attacking the Ukraine now..He might try to invade the UK next..We have to stop him..
Hit em with a nuclear first strike!
Let the bodies hit the floor!
Let the bodies hit the floor!!!!!!!!!
Davy on Mon, 26th Nov 2018 5:14 am
Who would have thought billy of all Sinophile regulars would go all in on big brother policy. Yeap, billy whines about social control in the west but loves it in the east.
“China’s Orwellian Social Credit Score Will Monitor All Beijing Citizens In 2020”
https://tinyurl.com/y8ocykwq
“According to the Beijing plan, different agencies will link databases to get a more detailed picture of every resident’s interactions across many financial and social platforms. Bloomberg said the proposal calls for agencies including tourism bodies, business regulators and transit authorities to work together. Tracking of individual behavior in China has become more accessible to the government with apps such as Tencent’s WeChat and Ant Financial’s Alipay, a central point for making payments, obtaining loans and organizing transport. These accounts are linked to mobile phone numbers, which in turn require government IDs. Other technologies, including social media, facial recognition, smartphones, artificial intelligence, and smart cameras, will play a critical roll in this Orwellian social manipulation strategy. In the next few years, every action of a citizen will leave a permanent digital fingerprint that the government will either assign a good or bad score based on how they view the action. This type of social control has never been done before.”
JuanP on Mon, 26th Nov 2018 8:30 am
More BS from Bloomberg. Davy only reads Western MSM propaganda like ZH and B; little wonder that he is completely brainwashed! LOL!
JuanP on Mon, 26th Nov 2018 8:34 am
“West misses the big picture”
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1129090.shtml
What violent, criminal US terrorist supporters like Davy don’t understand is that the rest of the world is not like them, and they mistakenly project their Orwellian perspectives and realities onto others.
Davy on Mon, 26th Nov 2018 8:54 am
“More BS from Bloomberg. Davy only reads Western MSM propaganda like ZH and B; little wonder that he is completely brainwashed! LOL!”
So dirty juan, your position is there is no Chinese social credit system? I guess that is your position.
Ah, ZH draws from (IMA several you draw from):
Acting Man
Alt-Market
Benzinga
Boom Bust Blog
Capitalist Exploits
China Financial Markets
Chris Martenson’s Blog
Contrary Investor
Daneric’s Elliott Waves
Dr. Housing Bubble
ETF Daily News
ETF Digest
Financial Revolutionist
First Rebuttal
ForexLive
Fundist
Gains Pains & Capital
Gefira
Gold Core
Guerrilla Capitalism
Hedge Accordingly
Implode-Explode
Investing Contrarian
Jesse’s Cafe Americain
Letters From Norway
Liberty Blitzkrieg
Market Montage
Max Keiser
Mises Institute
Mish Talk
Naked Capitalism
Newsbud
Of Two Minds
Oil Price
Peter Schiff
Quoth The Raven Rsrch
Rebooting Capitalism
Safehaven
Shanky’s Tech Blog
Slope of Hope
SmartKnowledgeU Blog
TF Metals Report
The Automatic Earth
The Burning Platform
The Economic Populist
The Hammerstone Group
The Vineyard Of The Saker
Themis Trading
True Sinews
Value Walk
Wolf Street
are you saying these are MSM?
LOL, what a fool
Davy on Mon, 26th Nov 2018 9:00 am
“West misses the big picture”
So dirty, is that all the comment you have? Are you capable of telling us what is in the article? Are you too lazy or maybe not sure? I imagine both.
“that the rest of the world is not like them”
How so dirty, can you elaborate of did that just sound good to your extremist unintellectual ears?
“and they mistakenly project their Orwellian perspectives and realities onto others.”
Do you have more details dirty? I think you are just being foolish as usual doing your empty attacks because you are too lame to say anything smart. You are about the lowest on the list of valuable contributors but for some reason you have this huge pride for how wonderful you are.
JuanP on Mon, 26th Nov 2018 9:09 am
“Beijing’s cooperation with Seoul …”
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1129060.shtml
If only the USA left the Koreans in peace!
JuanP on Mon, 26th Nov 2018 9:27 am
“Mainland and Taiwan set for closer ties”
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1129064.shtml
JuanP on Mon, 26th Nov 2018 9:33 am
Delusional Davy “How so dirty, can you elaborate”
It’s very easy to do. The USA has the most materialistic, capitalistic, oligarchic, violent, abusive, criminal, terroristic, and aggressive “culture” of any country in the world. That is why you have more people in prison than any other country in the world, more school shootings than all the rest of the world put together, more military installations in foreign countries than the rest of the world combined, and have been in more wars than any other country in modern history, etc., etc., etc.
Davy on Mon, 26th Nov 2018 9:35 am
LOL, dirty juan just figured out that China and South Korea have been getting along….for decades.
dirty juan, do you have any other sources besides global times dot cn?
Cloggie on Mon, 26th Nov 2018 9:41 am
Yet another self-respecting country, Turkey, kicks out George Soros:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/nov/26/george-soross-open-society-foundation-to-pull-out-of-turkey
Davy on Mon, 26th Nov 2018 9:54 am
So dirty, you were lazy and ignorant just like I thought. Anyone that uses “most”, “more”, and “all the rest of the world put together” as many times as you did above must some big time emotional issues.
I AM THE MOB on Mon, 26th Nov 2018 10:10 am
GM slashing 14,700 jobs in North America; set to close plants Michigan, Ohio, Maryland, Canada
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2018/11/26/gm-general-motors-plant-closures-job-cuts/2113275002/?csp=chromepush
Cloggie on Mon, 26th Nov 2018 11:02 am
Real reason declaration martial law in Ukraine: postponing elections for which Poroshenko has bad cards. Says Russia-hating der spiegel:
http://m.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/ukraine-petro-poroschenko-verhaengt-kriegsrecht-was-ueber-den-erlass-bekannt-ist-a-1240522.html
JuanP on Mon, 26th Nov 2018 11:49 am
Every point I made is true, and that is why you can’t refute my argument and have been reduced to your usual infantilism and ad hominem attacks. You make your country proud, Davy! With citizens like you who needs enemies? ROFLMFAO! Until next time, Exceptionalist!
JuanP on Mon, 26th Nov 2018 11:51 am
Well, Cloggie, Ukraine started this naval thingy going on and that sounds like a reasonable reason why.
Davy on Mon, 26th Nov 2018 12:00 pm
“Every point I made is true”
Who says..dirty juan?..LOL. The rabid anti-American extremist say so then it must be true…yea sure. Dirty Juan, you didn’t say anything that made a point. Try again with a real comment.
Эй, братья, пожалуйста, ударьте антиамериканскую собаку, которую я сделал из гранитного форума on Mon, 26th Nov 2018 12:02 pm
Dirty, when u leaving supertards america? i’ll donate a bag of beans for the trek home
Davy on Mon, 26th Nov 2018 12:04 pm
“Well, Cloggie, Ukraine started this naval thingy?”
really..who says..dirty juan?.LOL then it must be true..yea sure.
Davy on Mon, 26th Nov 2018 12:22 pm
“2020 Rivian R1T EV First Look: The Electric Pickup Truck”
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Cloggie on Mon, 26th Nov 2018 12:33 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjFyq9LJyOA
“What happened to the liberal Netherlands? – BBC Newsnight”
(Spoiler: the liberal Netherlands is disappearing)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mmwZUN9-rk
“Erkenbrand: The Alt-Right in the Netherlands”
(Spoiler: they have an international, pan-European outlook, including America. They are all highly educated, almost all males, critical of jews. Just my kinda guys.lol)
Dutch leftist MSM has discovered them:
https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achtergrond/alt-right-in-nederland-hoe-erkenbrand-zich-opmaakt-voor-de-strijd-om-een-blanke-natie~b84d2136/
Which party draws the largest crowds? No longer the (former) mainstream, but the populists FvD and PVV. PVV is for the lower educated “deplorables”, FvD for the higher educated. The FvD calls itself “decent right”, a bit like pre-Trump Republicans, but mass-immigration from the third world is rejected.
Party gathering FvD:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un370asc-tg
FvD candidates:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW4L-_VnASw
American interview Thierry Baudet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hXVTX-Rg8s&
Geert Wilder is less sophisticated, for this he was dragged before a court:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaB75uznT8o&
Q1: do you want more or less EU?
Q2: do you want more or less PvdA (socialists)?
Q3: do you want more of less Moroccans?
Kadeng! Q3 brought him before a judge.
P.S. “minder” is Dutch for “less”
“meer” is Dutch for “more”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Geert_Wilders
I have no party, as I am “Green-Right”, a sort of strange mixture of Erkenbrand and German Greens party and such a party doesn’t exist.
Populists PVV + FvD currently at 21%:
https://home.noties.nl/peil/
JuanP on Mon, 26th Nov 2018 12:57 pm
Prove me wrong or be proved a liar! If you can’t prove me wrong then I have proved you are a liar. Not that anyone here with a brain had any doubt! LOL!
I AM THE MOB on Mon, 26th Nov 2018 1:21 pm
Davy
An electric pickup truck? You won’t be able to haul or tow very much because the batteries weigh over 1k pounds..And you wouldn’t be able to take it very far out of the city ever..And most people who drive trucks are anti environment and wouldn’t want to be caught dead driving an EV..
I AM THE MOB on Mon, 26th Nov 2018 1:23 pm
Clogg
If you spend half as much time trying to get a decent job and a girlfriend, as you do spamming this site with meaningless misinformation..You might be able to find someone to share your life with..
Cloggie on Mon, 26th Nov 2018 1:48 pm
if you insist on linking posting frequency to having a girlfriend or not, it is obviously that you are being brought to bed each night by your loving mum, who is greatly worried about you, for good reason.
Davy on Mon, 26th Nov 2018 2:00 pm
Prove what dirty? You just ranted on incoherently. When you make a proper comment I will refute it.
JuanP on Mon, 26th Nov 2018 2:05 pm
Mob “Ukraine is an ally to the US so that means mother Russia is going down hard soon..Just like Saddam did..”
When you react like this you betray your ignorance and naïveté. This is a non event, Mob, and nothing significant will come of it. Just one more thing getting a little bit worse again. Doesn’t that sound just like the present human condition?
JuanP on Mon, 26th Nov 2018 2:07 pm
The USA has the most materialistic, capitalistic, oligarchic, violent, abusive, criminal, terroristic, and aggressive “culture” of any country in the world. That is why you have more people in prison than any other country in the world, more school shootings than all the rest of the world put together, more military installations in foreign countries than the rest of the world combined, and have been in more wars than any other country in modern history, etc., etc., etc.
Эй, братья, пожалуйста, ударьте антиамериканскую собаку, которую я сделал из гранитного форума on Mon, 26th Nov 2018 2:07 pm
dirty one bag of bean should be good enough for your trek home. you can share with your fellow amigos
in other good news, supertards landed on mars. putin will be killed like the czar after he attacked ukraine
Cloggie on Mon, 26th Nov 2018 2:26 pm
“in other good news, supertards landed on mars. ”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InSight#Team_and_participation
The InSight science and engineering team includes scientists and engineers from many disciplines, countries and organizations. The science team assigned to InSight includes scientists from institutions in the U.S., France, Germany, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Japan, Switzerland, Spain and the United Kingdom.
The glory of white civilization. And Japan.
Cloggie on Mon, 26th Nov 2018 2:57 pm
German television news now: the incident doesn’t serve any Russian interest. They repeat the suspicion that the incident is related to the upcoming election the Ukraine.